Age of Mythology Retold: Learning From Your Losses (First Person Gameplay)

[@Spiceodog]

And this is why I get so pissed when during the red bull tournament, that competitors would surrender as soon as their chances of wining fell below 40% . I saw it to often and it was irritating

[@goochipoochie]

It is a tournament and you need to conserve your conserve your energy for matches that can be won rather than waste it on matches already lost Here it is just a casual match and he played it out just for practice and learning and for his viewers

[@_1z_]

@@goochipoochie couldnt agree more, this game is so exhausting

[@30Salmao]

That's a influence of high speed game like SC2. There you almost never can come back because the game is so fast. Maybe we still influenced by it. AoM is way slower and then easier to come back.

[@Expax]

I really agree with the importance of losing. As someone who spam played MOBAs like League and Dota (ended up getting very high rank in league at one point), winning did not feel impactful at all to skill improvement. One thing that sucks about MOBAs as well and the huge advantage we have with RTS is that every loss is YOUR fault. There is no question marks like in MOBAs, there is no uncertainty, the only reason you lost was because of YOU. This means that improving in RTS is so much easier because its very easy to see what you specifically did wrong, whereas in team games like MOBAs or FPS it is sometimes hard to know exactly how impactful your mistakes were to the loss and how impactful your teammates mistakes were to the loss. In RTS we are blessed with knowing that it is always 100% your own fault (unless you RNG cope)

[@IamMagicAOM]

Well said!

[@Bleilock1]

But...but... my oppo had much better 2nd hunt and goldmine spawn than me If i got the same surely i would win, if only you were there to see it!!!!

[@kshyun28]

We have similar backgrounds lol. I also played a lot of RTS when I was a child, mostly single player though. Then started playing dota 1, and eventually league/dota 2. Was at a decent/high rank there and now am giving PvP RTS a try. There’s definitely improving fundamentals (multi-tasking especially, build orders), then reviewing why you lost and the “what ifs”.

[@sharkpyro93]

this is also the reason the genre is pretty much dead or extremely niche, people hate aknowledge their skill issues, with those diffeent games you can always put the blame on other factors

[@hcirs9425]

Really loving these daily uploads, you are killing it! You're the best AOM youtuber/streamer and it isn't even close! You seriously make the best videos, from analysis, to mindset, to pure mechanics, your advice is super useful man, keep doing your thing!

[@IamMagicAOM]

Thanks man!

[@SideKnoblauch]

Having the Discord is such a great idea! See you there

[@mattyIce42E]

Great video. So much to learn. Love how you adapted, leveraging the threat of raiding in combination with the defensive prowess for greed seems really smart. Gonna try this out for sure! 🎉

[@mementomori1483]

+1 for keeping aoe3 intro

[@herotalib9556]

Great video as usual. Really like your gameplay and explanation. Keep working on commenting while you play and you will get better. Its a skill, you just get better as you do. For example Hera or Viper in aoe2 who are top level players consistently can talk and play at a very high level. Ofcourse when it gets hectic they will focus on the game/get in zone and you wont hear them but its just more natural for them to just focus more on game and less on talking in those moments. Anyhow keep it up! Love your content.

[@legend374]

Going strong let's go!

[@goochipoochie]

I think so far people were just destroying Atlanteans everytime with early game rush so they haven't yet fully realized how OP their regular units are They seem to have all the best units and all the best counter units (which can also all become heroes) I haven't seen anyone be able to deal with Atlantean armies lategame and i expect them to be nerfed soon. At the same time their myth units need to be buffed a bit

[@IamMagicAOM]

Agreed

[@Mathilde_Moksha_333]

Playing mainly as Gaia Myself, I have to agree! In lategame the greeks might have the better raw units overall, but the atlanteans have counters to everything I've been playing a fast heroic BO recently as Gaia (I finish age up to heroic at 6:45) and that basically gives Me access to Arcus + contarius + destroyer almost "as if" they were classical age units. It's usually so early in the game it's often not possible to put Me under enough pressure to delay My age up significantly 🤔 Age 2 atlanteans are pretty weak (to an extent) because they have few options of units, but by the time they hit heroic and especially mythic, there's a unit AND a counter unit for everything, which means it's much more raw numbers to beat late game atlanteans and less so good choices/micro (to an extent)

[@ManchmalGaming]

It's a learning experience!

[@Dylos453]

Have you ever felt that any regular human units were just useless? Like no matter what enemy you faced, there would always be a better alternative? Like for the Egyptians, their endgame feels heavily centered around their Migdol units and the barracks units never seem to see any play, at most a temporary transition period.

[@IamMagicAOM]

It depends a bit, some unique techs really make human units really viable, for example Horus spears are pretty insane

[@Krakowitchu]

Maybe I could recommend you the redbull finals. Mista made a lot of infantry in the late game so maybe you'll get good information out of it.

[@Dylos453]

@@Krakowitchu Know what's sad, after I made that comment, I went to watch some other AoM videos that showed Egyptian infantry doing work and made me eat my words.

[@4orKe]

Hey Magic, love your stuff! I was wondering, would you be able to make a guide on research/tech if it's not too arcane (by arcane I mean something you can't necessarily explain super well, but have to kind of get a feel for by playing- things that are difficult to teach or kind of "unteachable")? One of the things I find hard is knowing what upgrades are worth getting and when to get them- I feel like there are some obvious ones, like getting Plow before/as you transition to farms, or hitting Pickaxe/Handaxe when aging up, etc. but then there are some that seem a bit more arcane, like Divine Blood or Militia or Levy (Unit).

[@IamMagicAOM]

hey I was planning on doing it for the eco ups! perhaps next week we can do it, after that we can start going over the other more unique ones slowly

[@4orKe]

@@IamMagicAOM Awesome, thanks! I've played AoM (like super casually, i.e. solo bot skirmishes) since I was like 7, but as I got older and got super competitive in other genres Retold has me HYPED and I'm trying to actually learn RTS for real, and upgrades/eco-ups seem to be the hardest part for me right now haha

[@Synysterenji]

I play Freya all the time and i just noticed that forest fire costs a whopping 125 favor to recast. Thats insane, i think it should cost 50 and double for every recast. How does that cost 125 and carnivora is 20?

[@MrAbgeBrandt]

I assume the devs were afraid of someone forest firing the entire map away, denying all the wood with repeated casts.

[@Synysterenji]

@@MrAbgeBrandt 50 favor early game just to burn a forest is still a massive investment.

[@MrAbgeBrandt]

@@Synysterenji yeah I am thinking it was a late-game consideration for them. Can't really have a god power be cheap early and expensive late (the reverse works via techs such as clairvoyance) Edit: I guess without a different scaling option than base + repeat costs, one could make forest fire cost something like +80 per cast, but -60 flat. So the 2nd cast costs 20, then 100, then 180, and so on.

[@tableslayergaming]

I just hate people treating this game as chess and not seeing it through to the end. Imagine watching a game but the ending gets cut...

[@IamMagicAOM]

I hear ya

[@Bleilock1]

I view rts games as simultaneous exhibition (basically playing on 5 chess boards at once) And well, you win if you win on 3/5 boards People often quit when they are losing 2/0 or 2/1 and game is far from over So even in chess it can apply

[@kalorathekau]

Great games! What do you think of choosing Ullr to mix in Classical Age Huskarls vs Atlantean? Since all the Atlantean anti-infantry is pierce damage before Mythic. Is that a viable plan?

[@IamMagicAOM]

That could be good, I wonder how cheiros do vs them, I’ll need to test it out

[@Mathilde_Moksha_333]

@@IamMagicAOM iirc the huskarl are rather fast for infantry units, so maybe they'd be able to avoid a good deal of the cheiro splash damage by virtue of moving out of the way as they close in on the backline?

[@yuripontes8059]

Do you have ranked anxiety? If yes, how do you overcone it?

[@IamMagicAOM]

I had a bit but I just overcome it by pushing myself to play Eventually I’ll lose one and all the anxiety will dissipate and I’ll be fine

[@goochipoochie]

Stop caring about elo and winning Play to enjoy and learn, identify weakness and reason for losing in each match and try to fix it in the next and you will eventually keep getting better and start winning automatically

[@bruvkek4629]

wasn't the tournament rule that seated players can't smurf? or was playing on main account normally prohibited too?

[@IamMagicAOM]

@@bruvkek4629 can’t play ladder period, no smurf or main acc

[@UnPhoqueSauvage]

Hello, i really like your content it help me a lot to come back into the game so first of all thhank you! But i have a question to ask, do you think it's possible to make our OWN build? I mean i'm trying to make an Hadès build using Arès Upgrade and try to make a good push at a certain timing (when all the upgrade are live) and i have many questions but i can't answer them since i'm not an experienced player. Do i need all upgrade or i just make some of them to push faster? How do i choose how many vill i put at a certain timing on a ressource? How do i make a build from scrap? Starting by the objective and then going back to thhe base to make an efficient path? I'm actually doing a path that allow me to rush vault of erebus that allow me to easily make my upgrades that cost gold for my hoplite/ Hypaspist I'm a protoss player from starcraft 2 and my favorite build was to make a good army early on with some tech in it to bother my opponent during the timing where i expand (or kill him if he's greedy) Do you have any tips? (if i'm not clear don't hesitate to ask me)

[@IamMagicAOM]

Honestly I think you kinda got it, start with your objective and then go from there, try many different iterations of the build and then just see which are getting the best timings, after I just refine it and make it perfect

[@YourUdderBrudder]

I've noticed when finding herdables out in the wild, high level players always select then click them to their TC manually instead of just pressing the TC hotkey and clicking the "rally herdables" icon. Its a minor point but the latter seems more effecient. Any particular reason?

[@IamMagicAOM]

Sometimes we do this to avoid going in a predictable way so they don’t get intercepted by your opponent Sometimes it just feels faster to do

[@MrAbgeBrandt]

Also helps not to prematurely send other herdables back that were still on a scouting mission

[@heystefl]

You mention thinking you can't be aggressive as Freyr but I'm not sure this was that aggressive? You opted for heroic rather than army. This is a case where choosing Ullr for the hillfort, dropping that in front of his forward TC, then teching for early siege could have worked pretty well.

[@heystefl]

Really love the gameplay and being vulnerable enough to share your losses for the benefit of learning!

[@IamMagicAOM]

possible! i'll need to try that next time, it just feels really tough vs cheiros since they can shoot from behind tc and then you have katapeltes alongside them, just makes for a very nasty composition

[@Bleilock1]

My issue with that strat is that its to expensive for so early for how unsafe it is while heroic is giving you much better ROI with more tech upgrades and as freyr you are guaranteed to have better eco than your oppo unless youre playing vs thor And even than id go freya for aggression instead of ullr

[@WlSH879]

It's not the end of the world but having livestream chat in a YT vid is a bit distracting. Everytime a message pops up it naturally attracts the eye's attention

[@IamMagicAOM]

True, sorry about that let me see what I can do maybe I’ll get less intrusive alerts

[@johndukes6323]

​@@IamMagicAOMpersonally, I don't think it is a big deal at all. Do whatever is easiest for you to upload the material. If screen recording is an easy way to get gameplay out for us to view, I don't think anyone would be complaining!