Age of Wonders 4 Tier List - Empire Development Tree

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@happosaai Жыл бұрын

Lure of the Horde actually puts the new unit where the army you beat was located. It's VERY nice for sustaining army stacks out in the wild

@pacmanpakkas Жыл бұрын

very annoying though when you are defending waves when its not y9our turn since the enemy fights your weakest stacks

@hzt_rzkyi Жыл бұрын

@@pacmanpakkasyou can just not add more army to the fight tho, letting that weakest army stack die

@GrimSRT8 Жыл бұрын

This is a Tier S+++ perk to me.

@jaredrichardson78 Жыл бұрын

I disagree, I used to like it, but then I found out it was a trap. Lets say you have 3 full stacks as an army invading and you are attacked, maybe while sieging the enemy city. You play well and kill everyone and suffer no casualties. You get the unit and it is right next to your stacks. Now your enemy can attack that unit and drag in 2 of your stacks, kill a lot more of your units, if not everyone, and then crush your army completely. It is a 50% chance, in the right situation, of being put so far behind, you almost certainly loose the game. For what? At best, a tier 2 unit? Hard pass for me now.

@Soulofsilverold Жыл бұрын

@@jaredrichardson78 You can chose to not support stack of 1 unit, I know UI isn't intuitive - but you can do it (white blue checkboxes near support armies)

@gloomfiend Жыл бұрын

for lure of the horde (50% chance to get unit on combat), you have to consider, that when auto-battling you often lose one or two units. the unit it generates, spawns right where the battle was fought, so you can replenish your stack instantly without having to summon or drafting from a nearby town, which can take several turns. the perk has, however, one MAJOR downside. Lets say its the enemy's turn and he attacked your 3 6-unit stacks, you won the battle and the perk spawned a t1 unit. Now, if the enemy still has forces left he will often times attack the newly spawned 1-unit stack, because its the weakest. Now you have to fight his 3 6-stacks with 2 of your 6-stacks and the one t1 unit, which puts you on a large disadvantage. That's why I generally dont use, also because its annoying to delete troops i dont need right now EDIT: Someone pointed out that you can also just not reinforce when your one-unit stack gets attacked, so my point above is invalid.

@FSM412 Жыл бұрын

You can just have the 2 6-stacks not reinforce via the reinforcement tickbox, and just lose the newly spawned unit. You never have to take a fight with a less optimal stacks if you are fine with just losing a single tier 1 spawned unit.

@gloomfiend Жыл бұрын

@@FSM412 Oh wow, genuinely did not know that, thanks for pointing that out!

@jaredrichardson78 Жыл бұрын

I've never been offered the option to pot out of the fight, If that is true, it is not a trap. Otherwise, it is a trap and not that good

@DOLamba Жыл бұрын

Hey! I'm a new player (up to 20 hours the past 2 days) and I've finally found you. One thing I'd really have liked with this, was if you had simply applied S, A, B, C, D to the actual trees. Blow up Astral Tree, apply your marks while commenting and then there's an easily saveable picture for you to post. I think most people would agree with me, that all these symbols on a tier list, even after you've explained them, means very little. I can't identify things easily and will have to rewatch and rewatch and rewatch or go through to process of plotting it up myself. Thanks for the amazing content you're providing and I hope you take the above in the best of ways. You seem super helpful and the above would be. ;-) Cheers!

@r_rumenov Жыл бұрын

Jumboooo you're exploding with the AoW4 content, I love it! I remember it was the same with Humankind. Proud MiniPixel here, I remember when you had like 1K-something subs. You deserve every single one, keep at it!

@theslayer5978 Жыл бұрын

Wild expansion usually gives me tier 3 animals or a lot of tier 4 spiders or wolfs and as u know spiders are broken. It really depends on territory, but for me it's an S+ tier.

@iTzTiMeToJuMp Жыл бұрын

The mana cost thatd come with so many summons would hurt any build not mana stacking

@PedroFerreira-ne3jv Жыл бұрын

@@iTzTiMeToJuMp you can just disband them. They still are really high tier and if you are building around animals(with the green tomes) you can use them really well, at the end of the day is better to have too many resources than too few

@iTzTiMeToJuMp Жыл бұрын

@@PedroFerreira-ne3jv of course but if youre playing green tomes with evolving animals you might have a decent army of animals before you even unlock this. When ive used it I found that I was deleting most of the animals

@Ravi9A Жыл бұрын

@@iTzTiMeToJuMp Cannon fodder on neutrals.

@sebastianpaul768 Жыл бұрын

It's also a way to get phoenix units....pretty nice

@BlackBirdOni Жыл бұрын

General teleporters can also be build in outpoats, as discovered in my one city playthrough. Inwish I knew it befor turn 130 thou 😂😂😂

@Stu-Bo Жыл бұрын

O.O I had no idea! LOL and I've played this a lot nice it came out. My next game will be a one city game as well, so this will help a LOT

@teambellavsteamalice Жыл бұрын

Omg that's so nice for the Perfectionist artisans. It gives gold but you get a -2 city cap, and after 200, 500 it gets to 800 for a nice city... but you can build lots of outposts and get money from those too! Teleporters seems very useful for such a play through!

@DarkExcalibur42 Жыл бұрын

This video is the first time I've heard someone mention that whispering stones can be given to your own cities. That's something I learned by accident while fiddling with city menus, and is a very helpful tip I think

@DarkExcalibur42 Жыл бұрын

The most important point about the teleporter to me is it allows you to build them at outposts, which unlocking the other versions through the Tomes doesn't provide.

@DarkExcalibur42 Жыл бұрын

Philosopher Soldiers is a quick way to convert mana into knowledge when combined with the Ascended Warriors spell.

@tanhabhossain4651 Жыл бұрын

Road has another innate benefit that when you activate the road building option in most cases your unit can go 1-2 tiles more. Sometimes it can help you reach and start a fight with NPC one turn sooner or just barely reach your territory for healing one turn sooner. Also if it traverses some tiles with the road, gold is not deducted for those. Whatever map you play, the road is useful. But seasurfing and excavation are totally map dependent. If they are S tier, road making is definitely S+ tier. Thanks for the good content btw.

@ducttapeanddreams Жыл бұрын

I would put excavation and sailing as very conditional on map setup. If you have a small underground it tends not to be worth it to excavate (underground generally doesn't have much of value in it), and sailing is either generally vital or useless. I find the problem with a lot of the later Chaos tree is that it really swings into evil alignment in the back half. The front end of it is very alignment neutral, and is good for everyone, but once you get your bandit army you go really evil. The fact that Chaos is so front loaded is part of why Barbarian and Prolific Swarmers is so go, it lets you dip the very powerful chaos tree without using the often times mediocre chaos tomes.

@badtiming2208 Жыл бұрын

51:40 Rerolling does not change the discounted research for that cycle. What it can do (potentially) is roll into a really fast research that you don't need, allowing you to mulligan and try to get the discount on a research you actually want to get.

@Grothgerek Жыл бұрын

47:00 It seems you are not aware of the fact that you don't just get a balor... you get *THE* Balor. The Balor that spawns has the 'Power from Slaughter' which provides +1 hp and +1% dmg per unit he kills... permanently.

@sigmachad96 Жыл бұрын

Hi Jumbo, will you do the race traits tier list soon? They are much smaller bonuses but that is the reason why a tier list would be useful for them

@shataraterevar Жыл бұрын

I love call of chaos in that it can give you dragons to add to your army and other powerful units :) For 50 imperium if you fought 2 infestations in the entire game, and got one Tier IV or V unit out of it, that's already worth it I think. So even when you don't fight many infestation in a game it still is nice.

@tuskular Жыл бұрын

I struggle to not go any astral affinity at game start purely due to Astral Inspiration and Adaptive research, the progress you can make with them is insane. Also quickening gives you two spells on the first turn if you are a wizard king, excluding the over channel ability. So if you have the weaver ability and you have the combat points and mana you can cast 6 spells in 3 turns, like summon 6 totem of the wilds producing 6 units a turn :D

@robinbugge4240 8 ай бұрын

I would probably put the resurgence wolf on a slightly higher tier. Its main usefulness is for early leveling of your lord, since you can use it as cannon fodder without worrying about it. It will just come back afterwards. Leveling is much faster when you have a maximum of 4 units in your group, so the wolf will make difficult battles a bit more doable.

@satyr_official Жыл бұрын

Hey man, love your videos. I get the length of the video is a problem. Totally understand that you need to break it up for those sweet sweet youtube impressions. However, could you upload the videos back to back? Like Release one, then release the other one an hour later with the end screen directing you to the second one? This video has been a topic that I've been wanting to see for a bit and the sudden halt if it without the next part to watch is kinda lame. Like whenever I watch the new part 2 I'm not gonna remember much of the 1st part. I would even go so far to break these lengths of videos into 3rds or even 4ths.

@GrimSRT8 Жыл бұрын

Lure of the Horde is an S+++ skill to me. It’s absolutely incredible if you have a horde creeping the map clearing infestations, nodes, etc. I tend to play massive maps, and this is just incredible. The biggest downside is I can get too many units too fast and kill my economy if I don’t start disbanding units.

@teambellavsteamalice Жыл бұрын

What do you think of this idea: Don't go for tier 2 or tier 3 tomes when you can, but get many many (if not all) lower tier tomes for crazy affinity in each line! Iirc the tiers cost 200/240, 500ish and 800/1100 research per spell. So each higher tome costs double the amount of time to get through. But you still get 2 affinity per tome, every 4 spells, so way faster! Now looking at this tier list, it allows you to cherry pick from each line! This gets even better. The low imperium costs of the early picks give very good value. Like astral 20 casting points, chaos tier 1 upkeep reduction, anything in the nature line, so many are great in any play through! The same holds for spells, the lower tomes have many affordable spells. I especially like minor race transformations and unit enchantments. Having all these tomes will also help when getting a higher tome you only like one or two spells of. Instead of having to plough through high tier stuff you don't use, you'll get opportunities to research skipped shitty low tier ones in half or a quarter of the time. You only need 4 spells per tome, it doesn't matter what tier. I would mix it up, get all the good tier 1 and 2, then your fave tier 3, then back to low tiers. It might seem counterintuitive, to research Tome of Warding when you don't need any astral spells and could get Tome of Cycles instead. But just 4 spells from that tome take the time of only one spell. You get 2 astral affinity and the Magical wards minor race transformation. Suppose you only want Projectiles of decay and the Druid, you have a bigger chance you can bypass the other huge research spells by a quick tier 1 spell.

@ProvidenceXIV Жыл бұрын

37:10, raze it, rebuild it, release as vassal :)

@teamalice115 Жыл бұрын

I personally am always down for longer videos as someone who just puts the stuff on in the background while I’m playing games (right now it’s been age of wonders 4 lol) I’m a great multitasker so I don’t mind longer videos makes me not have to change them as much. I feel this has been very fair, and the fact nothing is rated at the lowest tier (yet) says a lot about the game devs themselves and their ability to make a balanced tree where obviously some things are better then others, but nothing feels incredibly useless or absolutely a waste of time.

@Oujouj426 Жыл бұрын

Wild Expansion is an easy S tier because it often spits out Tier IV units.

@myrmyllan2073 Жыл бұрын

Like the fact that it's split between two videos, but I would have love to have them release at the same time. That being said, I absolutly agree with that tier list so far !

@jakubbiskup4494 Жыл бұрын

Expert sailors are situational. On lava and isles maps its S+, but on normal, where food isnt an issue, its as You said.

@ИванПетров-л6э3в Жыл бұрын

truly great work, thanks a lot!

@tharpin Жыл бұрын

And another one , that's my morning video i watch with my coffee :)

@andrewfulan796 Жыл бұрын

Basic Seafaring and Excavation are very situational. I've had games where I didn't need either. As a result, I think it's A tier or very low S tier. Similarly, Siege Specialization is either extremely useful or useless. But it's very strong and should be A tier. Road Building should be C tier. I don't find it that useful and can be another thing that requires gold upkeep. Wild Expansion is one of the best empire skills in the game. I've gotten so many tier 3 and 4 animals from it, especially since it synergizes so well with the rest of the nature empire skills and tomes. It could almost be in a tier of its own because of how good it is.

@natrixnatrix Жыл бұрын

I think it would probably be better to have one video per branch and then maybe a top ten. Also should teleporters really be S-tier when you can easily dip into astral for chrono gates by that point in the game?

@BlabBlab4723 Жыл бұрын

Kind of hard to put all of these in tiers because of the scaling that they provide when combined with something else. Which is basically the same for most of the stuff in the game.

@bigrockwall8700 Жыл бұрын

Isn't mystics whole schtick being +damage and +mana addict from casting a spell every turn? The quickening might be A or B tier for other cultures, but its S+ for Mystic + Mana Addict

@gamefan8552 16 күн бұрын

I'm not so sure city cap is that vital, just with using the default cap of 3 or 4, is most of the time enough, given vessal cities are perfectly fine to have, and you do not need to deal with unhappiness or micromanagement or queue. Only downside is having less heroes given increased cost of getting heroes above cap, but with what the game gives you can still do it.

@vaevictusasmadi84 Жыл бұрын

I'm confused about road-building. I have never researched it, because I always have higher priority uses for my Imperium. Why is it rated so highly?

@Brazos404 Жыл бұрын

Its useful because the army building the road gets the move cost reduction of the road. So it increases how far your army can move in a turn.

@vaevictusasmadi84 Жыл бұрын

@@Brazos404 I guess I just don't value movement enough to invest Imperium and Gold into it. If the game didn't automatically give you fast movement in your own domain, I'd value this much higher.

@asteroidmonger Жыл бұрын

@@vaevictusasmadi84 It's building roads outside of your own domain that makes it powerful. The bonus in your domain is actually roads that are automatically built between your tiles. So, by building roads, you can get that movement to and from fronts, between outposts, and towards wonders or infestations. Even better that all stacks following the road builder immediately get the move bonus.

@matthewedwards6025 Жыл бұрын

You had almost filled up the S tier just from the general tree. Either do one episode per tree or at most 2 trees per episode. Also, don't clip off the tiers (maybe zoom out as you fill up a tree).

@ruudvanzanten9119 Жыл бұрын

i just a mod that will make that the city cap increase always cost 200 imperium. i don't like it being punished by having more cities, specialy on big maps

@Oujouj426 Жыл бұрын

You're quite literally breaking the game balance. You're not supposed to have 10 cities because you'll just easily roll over all the enemies through the sheer power of your economy.