AI in Melee is broken.

[@michaelfradley6950]

heh,heh,h,h,e,hhmmm ,,, bimg head nana ::)))

[@PRLCKLY]

hehehehhee

[@glowkirby]

hehe :3

[@Grimbaloo]

Burger

[@jajajaun]

*y u p* (i said that because big head nana said it)

[@lukethekuya]

cacaGODS won

[@markg2142]

the level 9 bots are essentially frame perfect 9 year olds

[@kh6853]

That is an amazing description of them

[@Riasiru]

Nana grabs you by the throat, smacks you once, and whispers softly in your ear, "Tonight. You," just before she vanishes in a puff of smoke... Truly terrifying.

[@lasercraft32]

I would never sleep again.

[@Alfenium]

She is going to administer some correction 💢💢!!

[@turndownforwalt]

Love how you blended your current design work/colors with these explanations. Great work as usual!

[@thepengyknight]

yooo it’s walt

[@elbarnes]

I love how, with Zain being so shook from the grab and it getting cut short, it seems like the only thing that prevented Nana from continuing to be a menace is the respawn she goes through where she’s forced to blip out of existence mid-attack to return to popo

[@andredominguez3199]

So you're telling me that Nana alone solos the entirety of the Smash Gods?

[@MisterZebra42]

I learned more about Nana from this 5 minute video than I have in 8 years of watching Melee

[@_Majunior]

Fiction has a really good video on her if you're ever curious. Unlike most of his educational content, it's really well edited and has nice illustrations to go along with it.

[@michaelfradley6950]

Tbf most melee commentators would be 2 games through a bo5 by the time they were through saying all this, and that’s assuming they can project these helpful visuals directly into your brain to speed up the data transfer

[@_Majunior]

@@michaelfradley6950 never mind the fact that most make commentators don't even know this stuff. I always end up muting the commentary when IC are on the screen because they just share misinformation or assume things that are wrong. I'm not blaming them for not knowing but it's pretty annoying when they try to act like it.

[@Mrfinch9999]

You should try playing it too. Melee is much more fun to play.

[@nathandude100]

Same

[@winkone101]

My heart breaks for HBox. Basically the Melee equivalent of "no one wanted to be my partner, so I had to partner with the teacher".

[@wolizuka]

HBox would be more the type of guy to chose to team up with a CPU rather than with a mid to high level player. I'm sure dozens of people would have been happy to team with him cause he's good at the game and famous

[@PhrozenFox]

@@wolizuka He's also just a genuinely cool and good-hearted person in a sea of controller smashers and shit talkers.

[@leaffinite2001]

​@PhrozenFox guy who just watched the emplemon doc says what?

[@bumpersincapped]

​@@PhrozenFoxbro fainted on stream after a popoff

[@musicaldoge9412]

what

[@B-R23]

dude you are so good at editing

[@EliTheGleason]

High level stuff

[@xzxx1xzx]

Sluuuuurp

[@frigginmanatees8616]

Actually though, the silhouettes and the nana mlem were distractingly good

[@mijhaelandressamaniegomuno28]

So true, and it goes to the dumpster doing melee videos lol

[@xzxx1xzx]

@@mijhaelandressamaniegomuno28 so true

[@vocel343]

Nana really grabbed this man, looked him in the eyes and said: "This ain't over. Imma kill you in my next life." And then disappeared Striking fear into the heart of Zain.

[@herobrineharry7698]

3:11 I would be really interested to see if changing this (having Nana at level 9 always being the obvious) would meaningfully change how people have to deal with ice climbers

[@megapussi]

It would probably make it a little bit harder to get low% kills on nana, which could end up being relevant considering that killing nana quickly is a really effective strategy to beat icies for most of the cast

[@hadesthegod9181]

That’s what I’m thinking. Or at least have it be every 10%. As it is, you’re rarely going to get a Nana that grabs (120%+)

[@bastian_5975]

two other little tweaks could be to change the follow target for nana to the enemy if popo was in a screen/star KO, and changing the pathfinding AI so that Nana will slightly prioritize paths that get within range of the enemy so that she will attack a bit more often. Edit: I reread this while watching a video of Baba is You, and I thought I was talking about characters from that game and got very confused

[@stephendonovan9084]

@@bastian_5975When the Popo be above 120%: Nana Is Grab

[@Buglin_Burger7878]

Yes because getting them split suddenly makes it 2v1 and level 9 AIs are effective in duos.

[@matthewwojtechko1946]

As a kid playing Melee, observing the CPU’s behavior was always intriguing. Fascinating deep dive here!

[@ClassicBentobox]

What an amazing video. This community sure blows me away sometimes. Very lucky to have creators like you.

[@colewarnock8694]

you prolly already know him but asum saus is very similar and i think this guy definitely takes inspiration from him

[@ashequestionmark]

Every single day I miss SluG :(

[@oatmeal2goskits492]

me too buddy

[@Kitth3n]

What happened to Slug?

[@ashequestionmark]

@@Kitth3n retired/is taking a break last I heard

[@kardar233]

I hope MOF is on the come up after that huge 3-0 on jmook

[@TheRealBlazingDiamond]

​@@ashequestionmarkOh, is that all? Good for him then, he's touching grass :)

[@CrispyGFX]

Nana doing what is effectively a pump fake before dematerializing is the most menacing thing I've ever seen in this game.

[@halofactorymoon]

Its cool to see a video visualising the attack sensor ranges! I recently reverse engineered these tables in Smash 64 in order to improve Smash Remix’s AI for their new fighters. I wonder how the tables differ between games.

[@donnyf88]

After years of melee.. I never knew the CPU of Nana..very well done and graphic wise.

[@shuraizo2877]

Great video, editting and explanation, very clear and understandable! Also, I'm glad the music volume is on the same level as your narration, so I don't have to change it every segment of the video

[@lucasmaciel3850]

I was listening to a vulfpeck playlist when I clicked on this video. It took me a while to realize that it was also the bgm for the video and not my music app playing over the video lmao

[@k_k_aisa]

Videos like this are part of what makes Melee special.

[@Blundabus1337]

nana when popo is at 0%: mmm crayons nana when popo is at 140%: SO THOU HAS CHOSEN DEATH

[@alexlowe2054]

1:46 This might have been the best single joke I've seen all month. Excellent pacing and style.

[@comfy39]

Not a melee guy, but the great editing, concise explanations, and good tunes means I spent the last half hour watching every video you have uploaded. Keep it up :)

[@P-MK]

Found ya from the GDIME #7 shoutout! Had to browse through a lot of comments to reach your channel but MAN it was worth it, these visuals are so good!! p.s., The prints are really pretty and unique and there's even a hint of inspiration from the main man himself in there! Love to see it :D

[@erikdoer]

When the title hit and you cranked up Hero Town I already knew this was gonna be a banger. How/when do you decide on the song for each video? Your one on the Jmook recovery was so integrated I couldn't figure out which came first. This is easily the highest effort per-second Smash content currently being made.

[@forestskilbred9461]

The editing was so good here, awesome job and great video

[@Dabrebro]

Good choice with the Vulfpeck! Love the visuals, editing and sound mixing, good work!

[@lucianpayne5158]

love the song choice! I never thought I’d hear this in the background of a video, I thought it’d be too distracting, but you just happen to be an excellent visual storyteller. awesome!

[@Duffy_SSBM]

Absolutely loving your stuff. The art is sick but I wish there were higher res/more zoomed in images! I want to see what the Melee is hard poster says for example

[@MeleeMoments]

good point, i’m realizing there’s not really a central place to find full-res images of the art. i’m going to look into putting those on the website, in the meantime if you go back a few months on my twitter media tab you can see them that way. the melee is hard one was posted on may 17th

[@Duffy_SSBM]

@@MeleeMoments awesome, thanks for the reply!

[@zyst6]

This is the best explanation of IC mechanics I've ever seen. Great job! Really love your videos

[@davidvkimball]

One of the best Melee videos I've seen in a while. Great job.

[@sagacious03]

Very interesting analysis video! Thanks for uploading! I didn't know about a lot of this level moves stuff, & would love to hear more!

[@TheRealBrandonPerna]

First video of yours I’ve seen and I’m excited to see more. Great stuff man, this was super interesting and well made

[@basicdamine]

Nana: "Imma about to ends this whole man's career"

[@emmbeesea]

Absolutely delightful and insightful. Can't wait for the next one!

[@hadesthegod9181]

Amazing video. I think we’re all in agreement: Why didn’t any of us know this sooner? I’ve been picking up esoteric Melee knowledge from KZbin and forums for 10 years, and I never knew any of this.

[@BrandonNop-r7l]

I can’t believe nana is rarely going to be able to grab, she legit going to stay around 1-5.

[@scala_xl]

The graphic design on these transitions are top-notch 💯

[@ARavingLobster]

Bro I swear every video you just get better and better, keep it up! :D

[@gbowers123]

Welcome back. My favourite Melee channel on KZbin.

[@Wolfboy607]

holy shit, when me and the boys were kids, we would 1v3 the level 9, HANDICAP 9 coms. It was insane. We made it a game, we started at mario, beat him on every level like that, then moved on. Some smash moves have retained the names we gave them in fear as children. Gannon was one of the first true monsters we ran into. He would nail you with the "chicken wing" from out of nowhere and send you packing at like 40%. Holy fuck i miss melee handicap just being a giga-roids buff. In brawl and later, instead of it being a buff, now the handicap applies to yourself, and all it does is increase your starting percentage.

[@CheeTheOG]

Very informative on how Nana's AI works didn't know that she increased her level by the amount of percentage Popo has I also miss Slug :(

[@archonicmakes]

these videos explain things well and are impeccably edited. keep it up dude! :)

[@The_Tsukuyomi]

Had no idea the cloud was named Randall

[@MrSlowpez10]

So much good info presented so well. Idk how you do it, but it must take so much work

[@yousseftamer4943]

Holy… I didn’t expect Nana of all characters to be so goddamn BROKEN

[@azurecerulean1279]

i discovered this in my recommended and im shocked with how great the editing is

[@HarmonicVector]

"Nana will always recover towards Randall." All hail the AI Overlord, Randall!

[@The23rdGamer]

I don't watch much smash at all, but this was excellent presentation! I may have to check out more from your channel.

[@salvatoreIII]

Very educational. Never knew about different moves being unavailable to the cpus at lower levels.

[@SirNarax]

1:47 I really liked that.

[@PrismsDesign]

Wow, this was such an incredible video. I learned so much here. Amazing stuff man, criminally underrated

[@irishgoodbye518]

Everyone loves Randall

[@Swing_Bonnie]

I love the new visual design

[@therealwhite]

Dude starts out with Hero Town in the background you know I'm gonna give a like

[@Plantains-wo1fb]

Omg thats hero town in the intro. I adore your tastes.

[@electromagneticlemon]

1:50 me sowing, me reaping

[@nya69]

its so insane how much they gutted nanas ai in ult, just get to popo by any means necessary usually straight into the opponent with no attack or airdodging to ledge as u try to upb to save her..

[@KopperNeoman]

Probably because Ultimate's AI is smart enough that slipping Nana out of follow state would actually HELP the IC player rather than screwing him over.

[@ARobloxBedwarsUser]

"here's where zain makes his crucial mistake" *proceeds to get pummeled 1 singular time*

[@quirkyqwertyto1055]

thats all she needed

[@jwalkrr2710]

good ole Vulfpeck always bangs

[@milesnorris732]

The only hero in this town is you for your song choices ❤

[@rengarrengar9417]

I've never seen such a video for melee, it's really amazing ! Gj dude !

[@heckensteiner4713]

Great video! It's insane that people are analyzing and playing this game this hard 22 years later.

[@whydoyougottahavthis]

The slight UP music you played with the Luigi joke was fucking perfect 😂😂😂

[@EtropolisGhost]

i don't know why but 2:30 is just the funniest looking thing to me

[@trollof229antthevariable9]

Excellent production value

[@Sagi.Baten.Kaitos]

>Vulfpeck music I can already tell I'm gonna like this video

[@erikrutledge4940]

Melee and Vulfpeck, you sir have earned a subscription

[@Sugar3Glider]

Ooo, this was **exceptionally** informative

[@Claptain_Planet]

This would be a cool mode in slippi. 2v2 match making you pick your player and teammate

[@notwhoyouare1543]

you always deliver with some sick shit brodi, big ups.

[@subtitle420]

Today i was practicing my marth against a level 9 fox on battlefield and the amount of multishines i witnessed left me speechless

[@RamadaArtist]

The rapid short range attacking and frame-perfect inputs that lvl 9 AIs are capable of means that they tend to be much harder to fight if you use the strategies you would against a top level player, instead of simply exploiting how dumb they are about navigating the space. Peach in particular can be absolutely brutal and pull off 50% combos with alarming speed if you try and rush into her face and get really aggressive. (Which was very useful for trying to figure out strategies with Roy that actually help his approach. For one, dashing into a side-B is infinitely safer than his standard dash attack, because the dash attack has a very short window for it's hitbox, and Roy's own hurtbox extends past the attack distance, meaning if you try to use it for approach he'll usually whiff AND run into an attack. Dashing side-b immediately halts his momentum and is a good opener for his combos; dashing side-b to grab to back throw to side smash is highly effective against the space animals. The terrible range and low knockback on his dash attack actually makes it much better as a mid-combo move than an approach.)

[@EliTheGleason]

Nana being essentially half a cpu until popo is on life support is the most melee bs ever god bless 😂

[@CopperScott]

Bro, this was awesome! I love learning new stuff about the game like this

[@morosepapaya]

Sweet visuals and great explanations. Here's a sub, you deserve many more

[@steviebea]

this is insanely well produced and interesting! well done!

[@rockzyk1291]

SICK song choice. Amazing band.

[@octopirate-bak]

i like how shit was bleeped but fuck wasnt

[@MeleeMoments]

fun fact: bleeping in the intro but not later in the video is actually youtube meta

[@vipermoon_]

Now I finally know how the CPUs work, thank you!

[@danede3635]

I sometimes wonder if ai works like it's always scanning the situation constantly pressing moves. The level tells it whether to actually input the attack

[@slideguitarclem]

Thumbs UP for vulfpeck

[@Topaz-zk4zk]

Does Nana's dynamic AI carry over to Brawl and Ultimate? Surely they are tweaks, so if so, what are they?

[@quirkyqwertyto1055]

I would really love a video on the subject, just a comprehensive rundown of nana's evolution throughout the games

[@15MinuteUpload]

He lives! Melee is saved!

[@ciarzyx]

Appreciate the Vulfpeck!

[@froG_SSBM]

man, I miss slug

[@seanmakesthings]

Such a rad breakdown!

[@darlingj.canela]

Slug, Popo and Nana it's the name of the album. Great video.

[@tacolordc]

The fact that SluG disappeared from the community almost immediately after becoming a top dog is quite funny to me.

[@Bluzlbee]

back when I had no one to verse and started my anime arc for getting good at fighting games, every day after school, after homework, I booted the gamecube and fought level 9 computers on final destination

[@lboy9889]

Smash x Vulf is the crossover I've always wanted

[@MitaineMan]

ery nice putting vulfpeck into this

[@just-linx8271]

This is well produced! Nice work.

[@ohithur]

Awesome stuff as usual. Just bought a couple stickers too. Keep up the good work!

[@BlobstoF]

That was. SPECTACULAR. I'm subbing right now

[@wiffmastermase]

I just got back into the game and assuming I could take on lvl 9 AI 1v1 since I used to 3v1 in my teenage years; nope. Fox slapped me around and edge blocked me like he wasn't even a human. I got alot of practice to do

[@DaCompachuy]

I usually practice with son lvl 9 cpus (samus main) and sometimes i do a swd a they grab me out of it perfectly

[@andrew3692]

oh man im not sure if i ever saw the full sequence play though idk what I saw even though i learned so much 😢

[@WorstRivenNA]

Great editing and presentation!

[@grab2win982]

Perfect explanation!

[@benstoller2335]

Great editing, great music, great knowledge