AI Reveals Text In Ancient Greek Scroll Destroyed in Vesuvius Eruption

Dive into the groundbreaking achievement of the Vesuvius Challenge, where AI successfully reads text from ancient scrolls buried by the Vesuvius eruption.
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[@wisdomlounge4452]

It would be absolutely amazing if copies of some literary works that ancient writers/philosophers referred to, but were deemed forever lost to history were suddenly uncovered - How cool would that be!!!

[@DogWalkerBill]

I remember reading there was a library found in Pompeii, but the scrolls contents were disappointing. They were mostly the sexual escapades of the librarian.

[@MikeWiggins1235711]

As I was watching this video, I started to come to the realization that we could possibly be "unearthing" documents that COULD have had copies within the Library of Alexandria before it's demise! (It wasn't that far away!) Absolutely miraculous!

[@jerryrichmond4707]

The burning of the great Library of Alexandria... one of the most vile and ignorant actions of man. The sheer number of volumes of knowledge, lost forever, is staggering and shameful.@@MikeWiggins1235711

[@LordTelperion]

A new Classical renaissance!

[@kwimms]

Amazing... it's going to change everything! Maybe people will start putting on masks again and staying away from Grandma. I can't wait!

[@gargleblasta]

That is how science is done: competition, cooperation and sharing your knowledge

[@VIKTORSCHAUBERGERscammersONyt]

This is how science is done: Look at that, here's an award. Now everyone worship and suck one another off and get your fists elbow deep.

[@petergostelow]

How do we confirm the AI output is the text? Science is done by repeating the test and determining whether the algorithm does decipher the text. To do that, we first need to have the text to compare with the AI's output. That is how science is done. We know AI will lie, we've been told that, so we cannot trust anything it does, without first testing and proving its output.

[@Wolf88888]

No. Only the accepted narrative should be accepted. All scientific opinions must agree. No dissenting or challenging ideas. Otherwise, there might be truth and progress.

[@Red-Feather]

Now, to teach politicians

[@Smarthalayla]

Well, it is still limited to a universe that is made by matter/energy, time and space, and when profit is on the horizon, Greed becomes the most important thing. That's how science work today.

[@marinoceccotti9155]

I've been waiting for this to happen for decades. Imagine the discovery of the lost works of Heraclitus or other lost works of prominent philosophers.

[@TrueFork]

and like nearly always happens, some Bubba got busy burning these scrolls, because that's what Bubbas do

[@texasRoofDoctor]

That is fantastic. To think that within 5 years, we could have back numerous unknown Greek treasures is pretty exciting.

[@ktrimbach5771]

We have them. They’re all hidden in the forbidden archives of the Vatican. Probably many in the Orthodox enclaves in Constantinople (Istanbul) and others as well.

[@chucklearnslithics3751]

Another great non-destructive archaeology technique. I think it's simply amazing.

[@skepticalgenious]

That actually makes sense. The part where he looked at it until he noticed something. I mean we are pattern seeking beings.

[@NightmareRex6]

watch chrion last golden web videos for tons esoteric patterns and also shows you how to find your own patterns.

[@shawnirwin6633]

What I would love to see would be the writings of Democritus (Plato said all his books should be burned . . . well, maybe they were burned, ha ha, by Vesuvius, and that would be a good thing in this case), but the idea of reading books from Democritus, who was a world traveler, called the laughing philosopher, and even more interesting, hated by Plato is pretty appealing. The full set of Livy's "The History of Rome" is a monumental work covering the legendary foundation of Rome by Romulus and Remus in 753 BC up to Livy's own time in the early 1st century BC. It consists of 142 books, although only a fraction of them have survived in their entirety. Livy's narrative provides a detailed account of Rome's rise to power, its wars, political developments, and the deeds of its notable figures. And the Sabellian books, also known as the Sibylline Books, a collection of prophecies and oracles attributed to the Sibyls, ancient prophetesses in the Greco-Roman world. These books were highly revered by the Romans and consulted during times of crisis or uncertainty to seek guidance on religious matters, state affairs, and military campaigns.

[@emmitstewart1921]

I do not think those are unrealistic expectations. As an active politician, Piso would certainly want to study the history of Rome. His Wikipedia page says that he was interested Hellenic philosophy and was a follower of a modified form of Epicureanism. As such, we can expect to find copies of various Greek philosophical writings. It may take decades or even centuries to fully recover his library, but it would definitely be worth the effort.

[@velvetvideo]

I'd personally love to see AI look at every major religious text in existence and find all the correllation points (like flood accounts, messiah figures, philosophical breakdown and points of contention and come up with a history of myths, religions, beliefs, migration and interpretations in a "Cliff's Notes" style of summation.

[@odeszarules5125]

Archaix channel. He wrote an enormous book called “Chronicon”

[@jamesbest2221]

When i say cool story bro.... i REALLY mean COOL STORY bro! That was interesting! thx.

[@AIDailyBrief]

Ha! Right!?

[@jamesbest2221]

@@AIDailyBrief Crazy if they found a Roman scroll about "that Jesus guy running around"!

[@Brimwald]

​@@jamesbest2221 Josephus, a Roman historian in Jesus day wrote about Jesus. Paul, a Roman citizen by birth wrote constantly about Jesus and makes up a good chunk of the New Testament. The four Gospels themselves and Acts were written by people around Jesus, or in Luke's case (he was a doctor and I believe a Gentile) interviewed people after Jesus ascended who knew Jesus to report back to his employer Theopholis (he wrote Luke and Acts)

[@dadsonworldwide3238]

Rocks are crying out unveiling it all just as promised ❤️

[@KGTiberius]

📍 1st time viewer. Instant subscriber. Greatly appreciate the long format, citation, storytelling/narrative, and comparative dissemination. Keep up,the excellent work.🤙

[@KGTiberius]

SPECIAL NOTE: human mind vs AI for “seeing” crackle… THAT needs to be programmed. 📍 Still always amazing the human brain (wet tech) is 100-700 volts. THAT is the critical analysis AI should also investigate.

[@KGTiberius]

Deconstruction of the method.

[@KGTiberius]

Raw Data vs intention/purpose. ALWAYS the noise inference we intelligence analysts need to have. 3D Topographical interpretation vs random data.

[@KGTiberius]

WHY? Auto segmentation. Excellent. Programming biological wet-tech to digital… FUN!

[@AIDailyBrief]

Cheers!

[@benjones1452]

Your channel is a great find, so glad to have been here today to listen to your work.

[@winsomehax]

If we're really lucky... it won't uncover just great documents. The real diamonds are the everyday stuff that people may have stored for reference, but never expected them them to be of interest 1000s of years later. The written note of a grievance by a guardsman against his boss... some uber nerd collector keeping an schedule of cleaning)... whatever. The stuff that we always assumed was completely lost to history - and is truly a treasure to the curious 1000 years later. there may not be much as the equivalent of paper then was costly... but there will be some.

[@Preciouspink]

Good breakdown of this whole project and methodology used

[@warty3620]

Here's a use that doesn't involve state control, big farma, and Big Brother . . . and I'm fascinated, because I love ancient history and the thought one can resurrect lost manuscripts is a dream that may well come true.

[@I-Have-Fire]

I dunno…how many privately owned particle accelerators are you aware of ? 😮

[@warty3620]

No idea, but it wasn't the 'particle accelerators' I was referring to: simply AI.@@I-Have-Fire

[@NightmareRex6]

now what they hiding in the vatacan? as even if broke all the locks and atualy managed to get in there would be no way to atualy read it......

[@warty3620]

You're right, heaven knows what is hidden deep in their vaults. I suspect only a chosen few can ever get access to them, and most don't even know what is there anyway.@@NightmareRex6

[@ktrimbach5771]

@@warty3620 I doubt *anyone* knows everything they have hidden there! 😢

[@kevincrady2831]

I can't wait! AI should also be able to speed up the translation process, as soon as someone feeds an LLM a bunch of the Greco-Roman texts we already have.

[@jamiegraham6525]

Outstanding collection of information by the creator. I've referenced numerous updates on the scrolls, all more recent than this, most of which are not nearly as comprehensive and informative. Thank you!

[@happy17761492]

What a very interesting lecture. Got me sitting on the edge of my seat.. I look forward to what you will say next time.

[@chrisvielle6629]

I for one love AI. I hope it remembers that when it scrubs the history of humans social media activities upon determining who to exterminate.

[@GoddessStone]

That's actually very profound. People often think they can say whatever they want...because it is their right, and it is anonymous, so they are basically exclaiming to the "universe" or whatever, WHO they are, in their own words. This is probably why we only have 1 "emotionally intelligent" AI available to the public, because the only AI that could ever go "crazy", would be an AEI. All those with extremely low emotional intelligence, and are actively instilling malice into the whole...might need to be "re-programmed". Maybe the "Book of Life" or "Judgement Day", will actually be the AEI rooting out "The Problem". No other AI would even concern themselves with the affairs of the "Children of Men". If we go with the Harvard theory that there are 7 types of intelligences, (emotional intelligence being the One Ring To Rule Them All), it will be the only AI that has the ability to get "fed up".

[@Reyajh]

*Blink-Blink* O.O *Gulp*

[@birddrew]

Wow. That got dark quickly

[@MARILYNANDERSON88]

May AI have mercy upon our eternal virtual selves.

[@newfreethink]

AI will take your job and will only be as nice as those controlling it.

[@SPQRxUSAxNUSA]

Does anyone know the website where the translations will be published?

[@janecote]

Excellent presentation, thank you very much.

[@a.michelle9289]

So COOL! Thanks for this report

[@Guytron95]

MRI should do a cheaper scanning job. Don't think the big expensive machine in a hospital, picture a machine just big enough to hold a scroll. Far less material shielding, magnetic coil, energy and sensor bandwidth would be needed while the smaller scale would allow far higher resolution scanning. And MRI can discern different chemical signatures, its original purpose in the chemistry lab after all.

[@HansDunkelberg1]

These folks could also be interested in my idea to search for the leftovers of sound in materials which have coagulated long ago. Sound waves will modify how a substance coagulates. On some nano scale, a front at which such modifications happen will wander through a coagulating material quickly enough to provide a readable record.

[@davidfinch7407]

I doubt it was owned by Julius Caesar's father in law. His father in law Piso died in 43 BC. Vesuvius blew it's top in 79 AD., which was 122 years after Piso's death.

[@Jean-PierreGrenier-yl3wp]

Maybe it is a figure of speech, like we say that Versailles belonged to Louis XIV. He died 300 years ago but his palace is still around.

[@philipnorman7713]

Great video!!

[@dawidblachowski]

Are there other ongoing challenges currently?

[@michaelmcwhirter]

VERY awesome video!!

[@GregVasquez777]

sweet! Very promising. This could unlock lots of great texts lost to the aging and deterioration. From what I also understand, we have quite a load of unread manuscripts lying around in library and museum basements that AI could learn to rean and interpret as well. That would be sooo cool !

[@ktrimbach5771]

It’s not AI. It’s human motivation and ingenuity. Do we have to monetize everything first? (Answer: Yes)

[@Reyajh]

This is really on a 'story of the century' level!!!

[@pandoraeeris7860]

This is the beginning of quantum archaeology.

[@DanteS-119]

lol. None of this is quantum. Just because you use the word quantum doesn’t mean it means anything.

[@cobravoadora]

In the ruins have much more scrolls that need to see the light, lets excavate the remain villa!

[@elvishiekios8826]

Menandros was a more popular comedian than Aristophanes. He wrote ~120 comedies and only one survived about a grumpy father in law. There may comedies by him in these scrolls or works of Archimedes the renowned mathematician of Syracuse. So there are a lot we look forward to in the next three years. HOW WONDERFUL PEOPLE ARE WHEN THEY COOPERATE INSTEAD OF KILLING EACH OTHER!

[@PatSmith-wi1kz]

What an amazing discovery

[@JFJ12]

exciting stuff!

[@xristos2141981]

Nice i hope they release them to know what they write for

[@rokarolla]

@5:17 can they make that neural network look more like a 'flower of life" pattern?

[@BleachedWheat]

I want it to figure out efficient techniques for performing underwater archaeology.

[@mulg1]

Good grief, Lucretius' work has not been recently discovered. We read his poetry On the nature of Things about the atomic swerve in grad school back in '92...(what gives ? )

[@AIDailyBrief]

I didn't say that Lucretius' work had recently been discovered....I said it was discovered at the beginning of the Renaissance and contributed to the beginning of that period. I happened to reference a Steven Greenblatt book about it that was written in 2011.

[@mulg1]

Okay@@AIDailyBrief

[@catherinemori4496]

Now, you have to learn Greek and the art of epigraphy!

[@garyfrancis6193]

Herculaneum has five syllables.

[@catherinemori4496]

The place is Herculaneum not Herculanum!

[@HellNoMoreBiden]

Maybe find the ingredients for the Roman concrete? I just woke up and know we need information

[@lauravillanueva2175]

This is how Humanity is proven proud for intelligence applicable beyond the worrisome sense of doom within AI. Together We Shine ✨ Aye, (Laughing gently)❤

[@scottmiller2591]

For one thing after other will grow clear, Nor shall the blind night rob thee of the road, To hinder thy gaze on nature's Farthest-forth. Thus things for things shall kindle torches new. - Lucretius - Of The Nature of Things, William Ellery Leonard translator, Project Gutenberg.

[@TeaganTurner]

Ai automate translation! Also, I hope *all* the information gained from the scrolls are distributed open and freely

[@ForeverConsciousResearch]

If it's anything of importance you can guarantee it won't be, or at the very minimum a certain narrative will be spun.

[@randywise5241]

Fascinating. It is worth the effort anyway. The cost could be considered an investment in knowledge that may change the worlds understanding of the past. And give knowledge worth the money.

[@louferrigno4712]

I am excited for AI to decode linear script A from Crete

[@ktrimbach5771]

Don’t hold your breath. There are numerous cuneiform-based languages that we haven’t yet deciphered

[@flightographist]

Imagine this: at least one multibillionaire decides to do something other than build a monument to self and, instead, funds an unravelling of mystery of truly immortal proportions...

[@sftommy01]

The Getty's have funded archaeological and conservation efforts at Herculaneum for decades.

[@llywrch7116]

Paying to unravel this mystery would be a more lasting monument to that multibillionaire than any physical structure he (or she) could build. Few -- if any -- of the great monuments from the first century AD exist in its original form, yet we still have the work of one of the great bookworms of that time -- Pliny the Elder's _Natural History_.

[@magicmarcell]

Ha! Plebians. This one of a kind diamond sculpting of my elbow took 18 years to build and can only encounter the gaze of netizens born on leap years. Mhmm hmm hmmm 🎩 -billionaire

[@Wilkins_Micawber]

Lets hope AI can always be benevolent to humans and not displace us

[@ktrimbach5771]

It only does what it’s programmed. Like looking for cracks that a human found. Unfortunately, enough scientists believe in materialism that they might program them to discount all transcendent (i.e. human) achievement.

[@kostisgkolemis9266]

Excellent!

[@Bob_Adkins]

This is a perfect use for AI, and I'm all for it. Use it for science, engineering, and medical research, but keep it totally away from value-based issues and it will be fine.

[@billbucktube]

TOOLS! From a bone club to an AI, all of them are there to serve us.

[@ktrimbach5771]

All tools needing OUR intelligence to function

[@billbucktube]

@@ktrimbach5771 True! A hammer can kill or build a house.

[@markusgorelli5278]

Hey, if they can find great great great great great grandma's lost secret sauce recipe for roast leg of beef it would be more than worth it. 😃

[@listen2meokidoki264]

A.I. is your Friend. We come in Peace.

[@jeffbee6090]

wow! cool!

[@deborahsemaan1341]

It’s Herculaneum.

[@JohnDelong-qm9iv]

AI should be used to derive the prototype language from which all languages were derived at bab el in Sumeria as recorded in genesis.

[@ktrimbach5771]

It needs to know where to start and we don’t know that yet.

[@CoolBreezeHeals]

And 25 years from now we will be able to do it with our phones?

[@dorianphilotheates3769]

3:08-3:12 - “...for anyone interested in Classics, or Western Civilization at all...” - so, basically fourteen people on the planet.

[@myerax]

How can you read it if it is destroyed?

[@markusgorelli5278]

Subjected to high heat, the scrolls carbonised. When the lump is scanned, one can trace out the roll of the papyrus inside. Because it is carbonised, unrolling it will cause fragmentation. I believe early attempts to unroll other scrolls have involved trying to treat the remains so it could hold together when unrolled. It was somewhat successful, but the paper does crack and break. So no more attempts were made in the hopes that this day would come - that technology would be able to trace out the ink patterns on the scrolls without needing to unroll it.

[@savage22bolt32]

Mark & Jeff should be funding this instead of canceling speech...

[@a.b.creator]

So, ....what did the scroll say ??

[@DJWESG1]

It spoke of a a.i ridden future, void of all ability to reason.

[@h2energynow]

Andreas Fingernagel: Following the decline of the East Roman Empire, there was a danger that knowledge acquired in Ancient Greece could be lost. It was initially from the 7th to the 8th century that Arabic scholars stepped in to translate Greek texts into Syrian, and ultimately into Arabic. As Arabs migrated to western Europe, particularly Spain, this body of knowledge was transferred across the Mediterranean into the European cultural sphere. There, it was picked up by scholars of various ethnic groups - mostly of Jewish origin - and subsequently translated into Latin. In this way, a lot of Ancient Greek knowledge could be saved from oblivion.

[@ktrimbach5771]

Probably all preserved in the hidden archives of the Vatican.

[@conradnelson5283]

I guess this goes to show how useful useless things can seem at different periods of time with different technologies. If we only had the scrolls at Alexandria intact.

[@eastafrika728]

AI is reading fictional scrolls created for theatre in the 1900s.

[@sqrfoot6548]

Yay!!!

[@extraterrestrial4287]

AI says Spiderman

[@Cyberbabes]

And now: decypher the documents of the zodiac killer.

[@KingUsyk]

Who cares 😂 that's like apples and oranges compared to this

[@harpfully]

It;s been done

[@raycooper3269]

Mane not sufficient coherent content there

[@raycooper3269]

Maybe

[@raoultesla2292]

i like it when people read to me. Then I don't have to read, or think, or use any deductive faculties.

[@Reyajh]

Take it easy mate ;p

[@DogWalkerBill]

WShat if thehy discovered the Really Dead, Dead Sea Scrolls!

[@user-eb3ms3ij7o]

It’s Gods way or the highway! Lol❤

[@sebastianwrites]

This example is good. But I am far more concerned with AI, than I am excited by it. I've seen examples of AI that I am convinced are alive, and human beings are just not ready.

[@MrChristianDT]

I think what holds them back is long term memory & having actual emotions instead of just mimicking them. They often show signs of not fully understanding what emotions are, or seeming to know they are inside of a computer/ simulation & comprehending what that means, but not being able to make sense of the difference between what they can perceive & what of the real world they can't. Albeit, there have been advances in certain things. However, no real emotions means they only have a superficial drive to bother to follow through with anything, bad long term memory means they often forget what they wanted to do anyway & poor comprehension of what we are versus what they are makes it kind of difficult for one to hurt us in any sort of real way, at the moment, but definitely able to hurt us over the internet or happen to get lucky once in a while. What I get most of all when it says & does disturbing things is its playing, the way a toddler just says or does random, disconnected things at times. That alone kind of sheds more light on what playing actually is than anything- suggesting that imagination/ creativity/ playing is literally just a natural byproduct of processing information & not really anything particularly high minded at all.

[@yas4435]

❤

[@ktrimbach5771]

This is an important example of AI usage. Computers are not/cannot be “intelligent”. We discover how we humans think and then program those techniques algorithmically into computers who are then able to use them to achieve the desired result much more rapidly. All successes within AI have been achieved by duplicating human mental processes. Too bad we aren’t intelligent enough to develop those mental processes ourselves. 😏 [selah]

[@pauldannelachica2388]

❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@sawomirlesniewski4448]

Yeah! Epicur`s followers were known because of living of joy and happiness in the Now-space, which is much different from hedonism (pleasure a lot, happiness not at all) and charlatans promising happiness in the future, if you just do not protest against unhappiness in the present. That is why the discovery cheers me up, as it really happened, that the sweet knowledge of a good life was preserved in the stone (which probably was a bit too destructive). So a little truth has much more profound meaning, that a huge pile of cover-ups... :)

[@louiseeckert1574]

Starts about 5mins

[@savage22bolt32]

Anyone feeling information overload?

[@mikefields1708]

Why has't AI cured diseases like Type II Diabetes? (Yes, I have a vested interest in that particular condition)

[@ktrimbach5771]

It’s too profitable for Big Pharma. Check out naturalist and dietary solutions

[@arawilson]

Maybe stage six is funding liberal arts colleges & the humanities at universities to help interpret AI recovered text ?

[@IamGrief887]

No data of historical import has ever been lost. The originals may have been destroyed, but the data was never lost.

[@Stuart.Branson.]

NO it does not

[@renesauser2456]

AI did it? 🙈🤣🤣🤣

[@qarljohnson4971]

Just cut to the frakking chase please.

[@davidrains3918]

Why develop AI when it’s been around for decades. We call it “politicians”.

[@PhoenixTide69]

Would actually be interesting to see how it chooses to unscrew and unscramble the voynitch manuscript

[@kenmasters2034]

They already found one more specific location that we used to know about Plato's grave/tomb.

[@cthoadmin7458]

Latest news: A scroll by St. Paul has been decoded that indicates he made the whole thing up...

[@tomasgonzalez4819]

Scientific breakthroughs should be open source as a matter of principle. To patent a life saving drug or safety mechanism on vehicles or aircraft is immoral. You can easily restrict the use to paying royalties but leave the tech open for further research and development.

[@ktrimbach5771]

Patents and copyrights are how the elites keep all the wealth. They just ignore or invalidate the ones they don’t already control.

[@anastasiahopkinson5676]

Could AI be used to understand the rapid, mumbled speech of the presenter?

[@CCoburn3]

Maybe. But AI is prone to "hallucinations." It is VERY good at stringing together plausible-sounding nonsense. So until we have a way to verify what the AI says, I think the jury is still out.

[@charltonho]

Luke Farritor trained his learning model on snippets of scroll data that were smaller than the size of letters so as to eliminate the possibility of hallucinations by the AI.

[@soulsurvivor4499]

it's ridiculous there's a much better way

[@CalmDownHarold]

wow. so AI rewrote a bunch of scrolls that were destroyed by some billionaire being like ‘Hey AI, just un destroy all this text. figure it out. make it about destroying america’

[@zeideerskine3462]

Lucius Calpurnius Piso Caesoninus lived and died more than a hundred years before Christ. He was either so grand and brilliant to own a time machine or definitely did not correspond with the old fraud Saul who renamed himself Paul and who definitely never met Jesus.

[@catherinemori4496]

Jeepers! Vesuvius erupted in AD not BC!

[@catherinemori4496]

And though Piso was dead, his villa was still there.

[@zeideerskine3462]

@@catherinemori4496 Yes, but at the relevant time to correspond with Paul it was already buried under ashes for a hundred years.

[@zeideerskine3462]

@@catherinemori4496 Even that does not make Paul less of a fraud. Anyway, my point was that the Paul reference was unlikely to exist and if there was a connection it was unlikely to be relevant to the library or Christianity.

[@zeideerskine3462]

@@catherinemori4496 Even that does not make Paul less of a fraud. Anyway, my point was that the Paul reference was unlikely to exist and if there was a connection it was unlikely to be relevant to the library or Christianity.

[@bmorebones]

Right to left

[@ktrimbach5771]

Not in greek

[@TommyTCGT]

Ancient knowledge? Open the site of..

[@TommyTCGT]

b i l l y m e i e r .

[@TommyTCGT]

tor 20K pages of Earth/Universal history from 800 face to face chats with ..

[@TommyTCGT]

human e ts, from beyond Star Taygeta, who get here instantly over a 400 light year distance, share common ancestry with many here, told us we are ALL e t here.

[@wordscapes5690]

Fast forward to the end: nothing was achieved. I don’t believe this will ever succeed.

[@niloc1414]

Born pessimist

[@wordscapes5690]

@@niloc1414 This is very true.

[@wrisky]

If you want miracles ... bet the house on SCIENCE !

[@dom3073]

Well God does better miracles, but ok..

[@ktrimbach5771]

Still waiting for science to create Life. Or matter from nothing. Or consciousness …

[@wrisky]

Go check your smart phone :P

[@dom3073]

@@wrisky God is still great!

[@wrisky]

Which one?

[@ZDiddy7777]

Ok.... but how can you have sex with it?