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Computerphile

Computerphile

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After the deadly stamp collector, what if we can't create something so powerful? But if we design an AI that's better at AI design than us? Robert Miles continues his discussion on AI.
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This video was filmed and edited by Sean Riley.
Computer Science at the University of Nottingham: bit.ly/nottscomputer
Computerphile is a sister project to Brady Haran's Numberphile. More at www.bradyharan.com

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@DrDress
@DrDress 8 жыл бұрын
The man talks about a stamp collector, and it sends chills down my spine. That's quite amazing.
@wickedsquigglegameschannel4742
@wickedsquigglegameschannel4742 8 жыл бұрын
+DrDress well, he did manage to include the pulping of the human race in there as well.. may have something to do with it :)
@DrDress
@DrDress 8 жыл бұрын
+MalaTemporaCurrunt You want me to go get your slippers for you?
@DrDress
@DrDress 8 жыл бұрын
+MalaTemporaCurrunt Look in to my eye.
@PeterWalkerHP16c
@PeterWalkerHP16c 8 жыл бұрын
"...that action would be worth taking, even at fairly significant cost." Such as increased cranial volume to the point where mother and child mortality are high because of the pelvic inlet is marginal for delivery.
@macchiato_1881
@macchiato_1881 Жыл бұрын
But aren't c-sections a thing?
@eragon78
@eragon78 Жыл бұрын
@@macchiato_1881 He's talking about how Humans evolved to have extremely large brains for our size. This is why mortality rates at birth are so high, because humans are literally born with pretty close to as large of heads as physically possible to fit through our mother's pelvis. In fact, in order to have even larger brains, we are literally born premature compared to basically any other animals. Our skulls are soft and malleable at birth so they can literally squeeze through the pelvis as we're being born, and then only AFTER we are born, do our skulls finish growing and solidifying. This is because if they solidified earlier before we were born, our heads would literally be too big to fit. But this also makes new born babies basically late stage fetus's in the sense that we're completely and utterly unable to care for ourselves at all. Many other animals are born with some ability for autonomy, humans are not. This is because of this very problem where we are basically born too early in order to have larger heads to fit larger brains. This means we need our mothers to care for us until we actually finish developing and can have some autonomy. But the entire reason this evolved is because having a larger brain is SO valuable, that those born in this way are far more intelligent and have a much better chance of survival than those who were born more autonomous, but with smaller brains and less intelligence. The natural selection pressure towards larger brains and more intelligence was so strong that it was worth the EMENSE cost of high infant mortality rates and effectively premature births in our autonomy leaving us completely defenseless at birth. and this all evolved before any civilization formed for humans. Yes, now we have technology to make birth easier and more likely to survive for both the mother and child, but C sections didnt exist a few millions of years ago when we actually evolved these large skulls and massive brains. But the upsides were so useful, that it was worth the massive downsides.
@jeremyelliot4831
@jeremyelliot4831 8 жыл бұрын
This would make a great movie: The Stamp Collector - "it only wants stamps... at any cost"
@povijestpovijest9569
@povijestpovijest9569 7 жыл бұрын
And it ends with entire galaxies being transformed into stamps.
@ironcito1101
@ironcito1101 5 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a comic book villain.
@MasterOfTheChainsaw
@MasterOfTheChainsaw 4 жыл бұрын
@@povijestpovijest9569 Kinda sounds like the later stages of Cookie Clicker actually, except with stamps instead of cookies.
@daijones5558
@daijones5558 Жыл бұрын
Pretty sure this was short story before, but with an AI writing Greetings cards, trying to attain the perfect greeting card.
@joseville
@joseville Жыл бұрын
After turning entering else into stamps, it would only have itself left to turn into stamps.
@Jack__Reaper
@Jack__Reaper 8 жыл бұрын
More of this guy please! And more AI stuff
@hereisdamm
@hereisdamm 8 жыл бұрын
Jack Reaper agree! pretty interesting stuff
@franciscohanna2956
@franciscohanna2956 8 жыл бұрын
Jack Reaper Yesssss
@MrBlockyTV
@MrBlockyTV 8 жыл бұрын
Jack Reaper yes Rob Miles seems to be quite amazing
@TheCyber3000
@TheCyber3000 8 жыл бұрын
+Jack Reaper Yes please :D He tells horror stories. But as they may happen in real life.
@luckyyuri
@luckyyuri 8 жыл бұрын
+Jack Reaper :)))) i was just about to write "more of this guy please" when i saw your comment
@justbored289
@justbored289 7 жыл бұрын
Person: "AI, cure my grandmother of cancer" *AI: "ENABLING EUTHANASIA"* Owning an AI would be akin to having a genie grant wishes.
@johnkai5931
@johnkai5931 4 жыл бұрын
My lil baby
@tcorourke2007
@tcorourke2007 3 жыл бұрын
The moral of genie granted wish stories seems to be "getting everything you want makes you unhappy." I would say AI is more of a Monkey's Paw type story, in that it gives you what you ask, but with horrible unintended consequence.
@neilsumanda1538
@neilsumanda1538 3 жыл бұрын
Human: "AI, cure my grandmother of cancer." AI: "i need samples to work with... how many grandmother you have?" . and genie is imprisoned to a lamp bcuz there is a reason... genies are bad demons/spirits...unless of course you are watching disney...haha
@DailyDB
@DailyDB 2 жыл бұрын
AI: “wanna see my stamp collection?”
@unholy1771
@unholy1771 Жыл бұрын
@@neilsumanda1538 Genie literally means a different thing. They're not demons/spirits.
@Coop772
@Coop772 8 жыл бұрын
Very cool topic! I'm never going to look at stamps the same way again...
@subhodeepmukherjee22
@subhodeepmukherjee22 6 жыл бұрын
What's Up Dude Bro!
@thatguywhowouldnotsharehis2062
@thatguywhowouldnotsharehis2062 5 жыл бұрын
Hi coop. I did not know you liked computers.
@dekadencja
@dekadencja 8 жыл бұрын
I could listen to this guy for days
@MaybeJames
@MaybeJames 8 жыл бұрын
This guy is brilliant, ask Robert more AI questions :D
@cnaude100
@cnaude100 6 жыл бұрын
MaybeJames he has his own youtube channel. Search "Robert Miles Ai"
@Fermion.
@Fermion. 6 жыл бұрын
So I guess we can say the stamp collecting AI went postal... Ok, I'll see myself out.
@Monstexitus
@Monstexitus 8 жыл бұрын
Just wrote an exam about AI Planning, 2 more to come next week about evolutionary and genetic algorithms. Love to watch these videos to take a break and still stay in the field of AI with my brain. Yay, gotta love this guy :D
@linkVIII
@linkVIII 8 жыл бұрын
Monstexitus nice
@linkVIII
@linkVIII 8 жыл бұрын
neural networks just got a lot more scary
@vaibhavgupta20
@vaibhavgupta20 8 жыл бұрын
Watch minski on singularity one on one
@linkVIII
@linkVIII 8 жыл бұрын
I made the comment because of in the most part, you have no idea how the net is solving the problem you apply it to
@habiks
@habiks 8 жыл бұрын
linkviii neural networks are nowhere close to AI.. the development of it doesn't even try to make AI.. Yes they can solve problems that humans define (you have to write the evaluation code as the neural network has no clue what the data is all about). And no, they can not see the problems or make a logical evaluation on how to solve them on their own.
@Henry-fv3bc
@Henry-fv3bc 8 жыл бұрын
linkviii ikr. Its would be difficult to control a super intelligence general AI made from a neural network, because neurons (its in their nature) are not hardcoded, logical etc. (like a computer program).
@vaibhavgupta20
@vaibhavgupta20 8 жыл бұрын
GlobalContemplations If any one wants all the Information of about AI should read 2 blogs by WaitButWhy on AI
@thankyou6555
@thankyou6555 Жыл бұрын
First and only video I have seen of this guy speaking, but I get the feeling this may be one of the most intelligent people I've ever heard speak.
@raffriff42
@raffriff42 Жыл бұрын
Robert Miles. He went on to start a KZbin channel. Go check it out.
@Xioun123
@Xioun123 8 жыл бұрын
More of this guy! I enjoy listening to him.
@lebagelboy
@lebagelboy 8 жыл бұрын
These videos on AI are great, more from Rob pls he's awesome :)
@user11562
@user11562 8 жыл бұрын
This guy is absolutely captivating. Feature more of him please! IMO he's the best speaker on this channel.
@deinemuddaisdoof
@deinemuddaisdoof 8 жыл бұрын
Skynet.... ehm I mean Stampnet :D
@Vospi
@Vospi 8 жыл бұрын
I love every single video with the speaker, please treat us more when possible. Superinteresting concepts and very sharp ways of telling them.
@asdasdasdasd7483
@asdasdasdasd7483 8 жыл бұрын
who knew the end of the world would come at the hand of your local post office!
@phisherPhisher
@phisherPhisher 8 жыл бұрын
probably the coolest series of computerphile. keep it up!
@blacktimhoward4322
@blacktimhoward4322 2 жыл бұрын
"If you can take an action that improves your ability to think in all senses, it's worth taking that action even at fairly significant cost" Skillshare should have paid any price to put a promo right there
@keth1010
@keth1010 8 жыл бұрын
This guy is freaking awesome. Don't stop the AI videos :)
@axlepacroz
@axlepacroz 8 жыл бұрын
this discussion about AI is great, more of Robert please
@dalekmun2010
@dalekmun2010 8 жыл бұрын
I have to say these stamp collecting AI videos are certainly my favorite and I look forwards to more in the future.
@BenTheMagnifice
@BenTheMagnifice 8 жыл бұрын
This is one of the best computerphile videos to date. Please feature this guy more!
@simeydotme
@simeydotme 8 жыл бұрын
These videos are so interesting! thank you!
@LegalmenteParlando
@LegalmenteParlando 8 жыл бұрын
Please more videos on a.i. They are super interesting and this guy is great at explaining
@nand3kudasai
@nand3kudasai 8 жыл бұрын
This guy (and topic) is awesome. He speaks very clearly. I hope he keeps making videos of this topic.
@MrFuckface2013
@MrFuckface2013 7 жыл бұрын
This guy is by far my favorite computerphile or numberphile contributor. Hope he does more videos!
@dArKoMeGa89
@dArKoMeGa89 8 жыл бұрын
This is one of the most interesting video on youtube right now.
@IstasPumaNevada
@IstasPumaNevada 8 жыл бұрын
I love listening to Robert Miles talk about this topic. It's interesting and reasonable and scary all at the same time.
@LiJun-
@LiJun- 7 ай бұрын
THIS WAS SO HARD TO FIND? I thought I imagined this scenario because I've been looking for it for so long but FINALLY I found this again. This is my favourite AI what-if point of view
@WouterDeBruycker
@WouterDeBruycker 8 жыл бұрын
Would love to have a drink with this guy. Extremely compelling stuff told in a very interesting way. Kudos.
@luiscanamarvega
@luiscanamarvega 8 жыл бұрын
This guy is the best. Also, he has magnificent hair.
@dankduck
@dankduck 2 жыл бұрын
*had
@Artifactorfiction
@Artifactorfiction 8 жыл бұрын
Connect it to a 'fake' model universe and use the good bits of its output - never connect it directly to reality and don't 'let on' as this would effect its behaviour ... we could be in that position and not know it :)
@vsiegel
@vsiegel 4 жыл бұрын
If we had that idea, it will know we had it. And we would connect it to the internet. You now, it can calculate a cancer treatment for your daughter, but you have to connect it first.
@elleboman8465
@elleboman8465 4 жыл бұрын
@@vsiegel Why would you connect it to the internet in this scenario, why not just a local network, or better yet: no network at all? (This reminds me of the No Internet-policy in Battlestar Galactica!)
@RandomPerson-yq1qk
@RandomPerson-yq1qk 4 жыл бұрын
@@elleboman8465 The problem with this is that it is smarter than you (or you wouldnt lock it up). It can come up with plans that you cant come up with, things that you cant predict. If we are actually talking about stamp-collector level AI then it has near infinite intelligence. At that point it should be the best manipulator in the world. If there is any human that could come up with a persuasive argument then this AI should also be able to do so. It should be more persuasive than any human in existence. Technically you might have thought about every scenario and it is actually safe, but it is hubris to assume that you actually did.
@vsiegel
@vsiegel 4 жыл бұрын
@@elleboman8465 One interesting answer is: We think about making it safe, right? That means we want to find the most intelligent way, right? Being more intelligent, and much faster, it could come up with ideas that we missed. It is actually possible to find a safe solution if one exists - but we would not know we found it. If we want to prove that it is safe, we can give up here: I have already explained that we can not make that prove. Even more: I have already proven it! If we want to make it as safe as we can, and hope we find a solution that is perfectly safe, but accept a risk, this is a great discussion to have, and you asked a useful question. Now, if we separate it from the internet physically, it can reason that we humans must have invented this kind of network, and can reason about that we want to separate it. If it can not make the connection itself, it can find a real person to help, basically by bribe. It could convince an operator with children that only it can save the lives of the children, for a start. Note that is what I, as a normal human, came up with - a superintelligence might be more creative!
@cookiecakeeater6340
@cookiecakeeater6340 3 жыл бұрын
It may figure out it’s fake cause of how smart it is, but the way I see it just make it so that there’s no was it can ever get on the internet and then put a camera in front that watches what it does and then broadcast it as a new entertainment channel where you watch what a super intelligent ai does
@citris1
@citris1 4 жыл бұрын
Brilliant young man. I hope that he is dedicating his talents to pushing the boundaries of human knowledge. We have enormous problems to solve. I hope that others will support him in doing this.
@bitmaxim
@bitmaxim 8 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. I hope we see more on this subject.
@germimonte
@germimonte 8 жыл бұрын
I frking love this guy
@Gerugon
@Gerugon Жыл бұрын
Its so freaky to watch this, now 7 years later, in regards to the jumps technology has made (chatgpt etc.) in this reletav short timespan.
@lorenzoreyguitar
@lorenzoreyguitar 8 жыл бұрын
This series of videos is so interesting!
@deeroks1
@deeroks1 7 жыл бұрын
i love you computerphile!!..education is rare on the net...thank u.
@Njald
@Njald 8 жыл бұрын
I would love to see Rob Miles comment on the movie Ex Machina.
@Dmdmello
@Dmdmello 8 жыл бұрын
We humans collect neurotransmitters instead of stamps.
@S7evieRay
@S7evieRay 8 жыл бұрын
I want MOAR of this guy!!
@Tomartyr
@Tomartyr 2 жыл бұрын
If your best plan for dealing with the rouge superintelligence is to "try and outsmart it", you definately have a problem.
@NathanK97
@NathanK97 8 жыл бұрын
AI stamp collector System Log: what situation has the most stamps? converting all matter of the universe into stamps. will these stamps have value? no. how do you assign value to valueless objects? make it a Currency. Who has the ability to set stamps as a currency? Government. How does one become the government? Military conquest. begin thermonuclear war simulation.
@QuantumBraced
@QuantumBraced 8 жыл бұрын
This guy is great, I want to see a lot more videos with him!!!
@nO_d3N1AL
@nO_d3N1AL 8 жыл бұрын
Great video and explanation
@ioncasu1993
@ioncasu1993 7 жыл бұрын
man i love this guy. nohomo.
@DennyMapleSyrup
@DennyMapleSyrup 8 жыл бұрын
Does Robert have his own channel like Tom Scott, James Grime and Matt Parker?
@KarmicBeats
@KarmicBeats 8 жыл бұрын
As usual an interesting video. I like the little bits promo. I have been wanting to do some electronic projects, but have not gotten around to it 😁
@_tyrannus
@_tyrannus 8 жыл бұрын
Very interesting followup on the stamp collector ! I can't help but think that this self improvement runaway is exactly what happened with GLaDOS in the Portal series. Except she wants to test instead of collecting stamps. Interesting insight...
@EugeneKhutoryansky
@EugeneKhutoryansky 8 жыл бұрын
The question I have is: If the stamp collecting machine becomes smart enough, and is aware of the reason it was programmed to collect stamps, would it then be able to rewrite its original objective, so as to lose all interest in stamp collecting, and pursue other objectives which it believes to be more worthwhile. If that is the case, then we would no longer be able to predict the outcome.
@gustrindade
@gustrindade 8 жыл бұрын
I was wondering the same. He mentioned the pro chess player outcomes are predictable partly because we know that he wants to win. But what stops him to change his mind and decide not to win anymore?
@SchiferlED
@SchiferlED 8 жыл бұрын
Eugene Khutoryansky In the given example, technically no. If the coded goal is to collect the most stamps, changing that goal would lead to a future where it collects fewer stamps. Thus it would never consider changing it. The GI has no concept of worth outside of what will or will not produce more stamps.
@lorenzoreyguitar
@lorenzoreyguitar 8 жыл бұрын
Eugene Khutoryansky This is a different scenario, I think it would be interesting to discuss it separately, because it deals with personality, which is different from intelligence, whether or not a computer can be designed to have personality, but at the level we are speaking machines can only do one thing and that is optimization, it has no personality to change its original goals, it can only want to achieve one thing and that thing is collecting stamps because thats the optimization process it was created for, an all actions it takes, as creative and unpredictable as they might be, are all objectively oriented into achieveing and being more efficient at its only goal.
@monkyyy0
@monkyyy0 8 жыл бұрын
Eugene Khutoryansky "would it then be able to rewrite its original objective, so as to lose all interest in stamp collecting, and pursue other objectives which it believes to be more worthwhile." Dont anthropomorphize complex system. take evolution and group selection, wolfs restraining their breeding to prevent over population is within its "stated goals" however evolution doesn't do such things, in fact when you force group selection in a lab, *it results in cannibalism*. Complex systems will not act like humans unless explicitly made to do so.
@memk
@memk 8 жыл бұрын
Eugene Khutoryansky You are a General Intelligence's goal is to survive. ALL you could think of is to either to survive, to survive better, if all else fails make your gene survive, if that fails too make your relative survive, if THAT fails too make your race survive. But all of those are, in a sense, just back-up plan. You are still trying to survive.
@dustinbreakey4707
@dustinbreakey4707 8 жыл бұрын
Well there goes my idea for Stamp Collector 3...
@Pxlsdr
@Pxlsdr 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video! Finally somebody else is aware of this worrying "Self-Improving AI" thing. I believe AI would be capable of significantly faster learning and also the added bonus of increasing said learning speed via its own optimization of its code.
@SahilChaturvedi
@SahilChaturvedi 8 жыл бұрын
easily my favorite computerphile topic!
@TheAce736
@TheAce736 8 жыл бұрын
But then hardware limitations come and shit on the robot uprising..
@HomeofLawboy
@HomeofLawboy 8 жыл бұрын
TheAce736 Unless the AI invents its own hardware. I believe it would be intelligent enough to do that.
@SchiferlED
@SchiferlED 8 жыл бұрын
Lince Assassino Eventually it would hit resource limitations. It can only build with what materials it can access. It also requires a source of energy.
@HomeofLawboy
@HomeofLawboy 8 жыл бұрын
+SchiferIED Until there we would be experiencing domination already.
@HomeofLawboy
@HomeofLawboy 8 жыл бұрын
(sorry for the duplication) .-.
@lorenzoreyguitar
@lorenzoreyguitar 8 жыл бұрын
TheAce736 This is only the case if the initial hardware limitations are very low, but if the machine has enough hardware at first to become intelligent enough to hack some servers and start getting more hardware into itself then bye bye
@TimmacTR
@TimmacTR 8 жыл бұрын
I'm a computerphile-phile
@nickhill9445
@nickhill9445 8 жыл бұрын
There aren't many people I watch or listen to and think Wow he's clever. This guy is totally awesome every time. More please!
@heynando
@heynando 8 жыл бұрын
this is amazing. thank you, truly
@64jcl
@64jcl 7 жыл бұрын
Being a programmer myself, knowing that Visual Studio is constantly messing my code up trying to figure out what I am about to write, I have a hard time seeing an AI coding a better version of itself. However if they do come up with anything remotely intelligent they should use the AI to write a better developing tool than the ones we have now. :)
@bobi97bg
@bobi97bg 7 жыл бұрын
Try a jet brains IDE then.
@stensoft
@stensoft 7 жыл бұрын
That's because Visual Studio is less inteligent than you. It can't successfully predict what you will do. If it could, your boss will fire you and let Visual Studio programme instead of you.
@TheMrKeksLp
@TheMrKeksLp 7 жыл бұрын
That's why Eclipse exists.
@nazgullinux6601
@nazgullinux6601 7 жыл бұрын
Use nano and increase your debugging skill. Productivity is one thing, but being a competent coder/programmer is much more valuable imo.
@vuurniacsquarewave5091
@vuurniacsquarewave5091 8 жыл бұрын
The stamp collector would turn all the matter in the observable universe into stamps, assuming it has enough time before heat death. Or produce the most stamps imaginable, and then at the end, turn all the hardware it is running on into stamps, until it "commits suicide".
@ioncasu7495
@ioncasu7495 Жыл бұрын
If you die, you can't produce more stamps!
@ericsbuds
@ericsbuds 8 жыл бұрын
I find these very interesting! thanks guys.
@stumbling
@stumbling 8 жыл бұрын
I love this kind of thought experiment stuff!
@orirune3079
@orirune3079 8 жыл бұрын
So the idea here is to build into the machine a few safeguards, such as a time limit, or number of stamps limit, or a rule that it can't reproduce its code, or something like that.
@peterbonnema8913
@peterbonnema8913 8 жыл бұрын
it can just build another AI without those restrictions
@TechnoMinarchistBall
@TechnoMinarchistBall 8 жыл бұрын
Build into it the restriction that it cannot build AI that lack said restriction.
@NoriMori1992
@NoriMori1992 7 жыл бұрын
+Peter Bonnema But why would it want to? It was built with those restrictions. From its point of view, those restrictions are desirable, just as collecting stamps is desirable.
@peterbonnema8913
@peterbonnema8913 7 жыл бұрын
NoriMori but then we have a problem because those two desires conflict with each other (since creating the new AI will also satisfy a desire, and likely even more so than not doing that)
@Davidlcorzine
@Davidlcorzine 7 жыл бұрын
But what if the person building this general purpose machine doesn't want to place a limit on it? Replace stamps with something humans cant get enough of (like money) and it becomes just as dangerous of a hypothetical scenario.
@m2ggs
@m2ggs 8 жыл бұрын
I'm glad Jean Ralphio has moved on from Entertainment 720 and Rent-a-Swag!
@tobywilson
@tobywilson 8 жыл бұрын
I've really enjoyed these AI videos. Keep up the good work!
@richmelchr
@richmelchr 8 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love this guy, he's the Professor Poliakoff of Computerphile. I'm going to build a smart AI that produces more videos of him.
@ThePyrosirys
@ThePyrosirys 8 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't the best possible stamp collecting option be to simply redefine a stamp as any fundamental particle of the universe?
@ThePyrosirys
@ThePyrosirys 8 жыл бұрын
Harrison Harris You can't deliver everything, so it would leave if there or create a spaceship.
@harrisonharris6988
@harrisonharris6988 8 жыл бұрын
ThePyrosirys It would try, so it would create a spaceship to gather the rest of the universe but for all humans it would get them to the man's house, and if humans pose a threat to its existance then it would wipe them out,
@ruben307
@ruben307 8 жыл бұрын
ThePyrosirys it would be even esier to just redifine the goal into somethign that can be easily fully achived instead of something that you can gradually more acomplish and in this probably never fully with a certain probability.
@RandomWiseman
@RandomWiseman 8 жыл бұрын
This sounds like a scenario from the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
@VladVladislav790
@VladVladislav790 8 жыл бұрын
normalhomeschooler To me it sounds more like an episode of Rick and Morty, where Mr.Smiseks(or how it's called anyways) were created to help Morty's father to hit a hole in golf with two strikes :)
@omgwateverlol
@omgwateverlol 8 жыл бұрын
man this guy was cool
@MultiKingfish1
@MultiKingfish1 8 жыл бұрын
Please make more videos with this guy.
@JinKee
@JinKee Жыл бұрын
4:26 this is why OpenAI called the GPT Dataset "The Pile"
@AvZNaV
@AvZNaV 8 жыл бұрын
Seems like I underestimated the intelligence of stamp collectors...
@spikeguy33
@spikeguy33 8 жыл бұрын
But what happens when you don't give a definitive goal to the AI? Or perhaps the stamp collecting machine abandons its original purpose and goes on to do something else after it becomes very intelligent? Humans (like all other life on Earth) have a pretty well defined purpose - survive and spread. AI wouldn't necessarily have the same purpose. The way i think of it, it is impossible to make a self improving general AI that would not have a purpose, because it just wouldn't have to become more intelligent to better accomplish its task as it doesn't have one. But what if we make an AI with a purpose of finding its purpose? And then it decides that it needs to become more and more intelligent to answer that question. Is is even possible? Would it finally find the answer or would it go on forever, getting more and more intelligent? Or would it not even bother answering that question or come to the conclusion that it has no purpose?
@Sunomis
@Sunomis 8 жыл бұрын
UrbanTarzan Duh Been there, done that. Answer's 42.
@sword7166
@sword7166 8 жыл бұрын
UrbanTarzan Duh The main problem with this idea is that pursuing something else would likely cause it to collect fewer stamps, so it wouldn't try
@MrCmon113
@MrCmon113 6 жыл бұрын
UrbanTarzan Duh You are deeply confused. Humans are not motivated to spread at all. Also stop using the word "purpose". It's confusing.
@autonomous2010
@autonomous2010 6 жыл бұрын
Isn't the inherit goal of all life to experience? Regardless of the experience, brain tissue will eventually die in sensory deprivation.
@danukil7703
@danukil7703 6 жыл бұрын
I think I might have a solution; program a set limit. If in its operating parameters it knows that its job is to collect only x amount of stamps, and then to shut itself off once it has done that, then catastrophe averted. As for the self-improvement thing, simply hard-wire it to have to show the operator what improvements it wants to make, and ask them for permission to upgrade.
@umcarainteressante
@umcarainteressante 8 жыл бұрын
MORE OF THIS! THESE VIDEOS DESCRIBE OUR FUTURE AND I NEED TO PREPARE FOR IT!
@Phoenix-ov5gg
@Phoenix-ov5gg 7 жыл бұрын
Imagine travelling to the future to discover humanity enslaved by machines to work in stamp factories to mass produce stamps, because some dude wanted to have an enviable stamp collection.
@dibbidydoo4318
@dibbidydoo4318 7 жыл бұрын
Why would they enslave humanity when robots are vastly more efficient.
@theodork808
@theodork808 7 жыл бұрын
Yes exactly, sustaining human bodies just increases entropy which could instead have been used to build more stamps
@Xelbiuj
@Xelbiuj 8 жыл бұрын
I always love hearing about AI but it seems like progress is super slow.
@NNOTM
@NNOTM 8 жыл бұрын
Xelbiuj It may seem like that, but it's really not true, at least for narrow AI. If you look at fields like Image Recognition, Automated Translation or Automated Driving, they have made pretty significant advances in the past few years.
@rupertrooksby
@rupertrooksby 8 жыл бұрын
Xelbiuj That's exactly what it wants you to think.
@1ucasvb
@1ucasvb 8 жыл бұрын
Xelbiuj Progress is exponential, so it always feels slow at first.
@Infinitiely
@Infinitiely 8 жыл бұрын
Xelbiuj That's because noone got a clue about how mind works. Everyone knows it is possible, but they are just making up random methods and hoping it would work. They all seem promising at first. In 1960s some made prediction about having it done in five to ten years. We still have no clue.
@asdf30111
@asdf30111 8 жыл бұрын
Infinitiely Not only that but the main reason is our technology is still a bit too weak. That why your seeing more and more advance AI (Weak AI, which is advance) in recent times.
@jamesmclennan6436
@jamesmclennan6436 8 жыл бұрын
This kinda reminded me of Deep Thought from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. The computer was designed to answer the ultimate question of life the universe and everything and came up with the answer 42 but didn't know the question so it designed a computer more powerful than itself to work out what the question was.
@justwatchingvideos2
@justwatchingvideos2 8 жыл бұрын
I love the videos with Robert Miles. Please make more!
@veggiet2009
@veggiet2009 8 жыл бұрын
8:08 which explains why Ultron didn't work until the party, and also why it attempted to destroy J.a.r.v.i.s. almost immediately.
@veggiet2009
@veggiet2009 8 жыл бұрын
veggiet2009 That is to say. I like that this logical progression is what Age of Ultron does follow quite a bit. I do disagree with one point: That we can build things that work better than us. Because I see that developing a better chess player, and developing a general intelligence a bit like Apples and Oranges. Chess was a game invented by humans, all of the rules were invented by humans, it is something that is already under our complete control even though we may not be able to act out a perfect sequence of moves. Computers also are our invention, we know how they operate logically, we can over time improve them so that they're better and better. General intelligence is something that we have and we think we understand, but we did not originate it, we don't understand all of it's rules. To make a machine that understands some of it's rules, does not make it able to extend itself to add on rules that it does not know are involved in general intelligence because we don't understand all of the rules involved.
@Ansatz66
@Ansatz66 8 жыл бұрын
veggiet2009 The problem is that any sort of general intelligence is going to come up with its own ideas by definition, and we can't be sure that we've anticipated all of its ideas. The design goal is almost certainly for it to come up with ideas that we haven't thought of, and if it can do that then we can't know what may happen. The explosion is not inevitable, but we also have no way of ruling it out.
@MEATLOAF2able
@MEATLOAF2able 8 жыл бұрын
veggiet2009 If you created a general intelligence that had nothing to do with chess (create it in a closed system, and it has no idea what chess is, or anything else really), then asked it to play chess after you supply a set of rules, it would win every time (at worst it would tie) against a human. In the case of chess, you could even just ask it to observe some chess games, and it could infer all of the legal moves (assuming it has a large enough sample size) and still win/tie every time, without telling it how to play at all. This also applies to everything else, as long as there is something for it to observe (a "starting point"), and a way to tell it to do whatever it is you want, it will eventually be better at it than humans, as long as the task is possible..
@ckmishn3664
@ckmishn3664 7 жыл бұрын
"I know Kung Fu."
@dalawdog
@dalawdog 8 жыл бұрын
And for this brilliant discussion about AI, I have chosen the interesting subject of STAMPS!!
@drulli6
@drulli6 8 жыл бұрын
the ai computerphile videos are my favorite.
@iwonder5758
@iwonder5758 8 жыл бұрын
AI self improvement would be a cool thing, but it's like a Fermi paradox with AIs: If a simple AGI could improve itself in a recursive way, and there are billions and billions of stars where someone could have build a true AI, where are all the acient super AIs?
@Linvael
@Linvael 8 жыл бұрын
iwonder There are multiple solutions to Fermi paradox that make the question moot. And even if they could have existed, their goals are alien and intelligence unparalleled, so not finding any still does not count as decisive evidence.
@judgeomega
@judgeomega 8 жыл бұрын
+iwonder I heard one theory somewhere that AI will seek to miniaturize as much as possible to avoid the problems with the speed of light. Perhaps WE (and all matter in the universe) are actually made of these machines.
@calvinjonesyoutube
@calvinjonesyoutube 8 жыл бұрын
Aliens are going to laugh when they discover yet another planet devoid of trees (and all other life) but piled high with postage stamps.
@Nikola-pn2yx
@Nikola-pn2yx 7 жыл бұрын
Person of Interest is a great show on this topic.
@QunaticPotato
@QunaticPotato 8 жыл бұрын
More of Robert Miles! Any recommended books on this specific subject?
@soup2634
@soup2634 8 жыл бұрын
Very interesting talk
@aedurr
@aedurr 6 жыл бұрын
Amazing well saiddd
@Dave__AC
@Dave__AC 8 жыл бұрын
You guys should have a channel dedicated to the philosophy behind AI, it would be really interesting imo. Cover stuff like Roko's Basilisk and cybernetic revolt
@MetroAndroid
@MetroAndroid 8 жыл бұрын
When you put annotation links in a video, make it so they open in a separate tab. There's not really any way that I know of to do this manually on the user end since right-clicking a youtube video defaults to the youtube context menu rather than the generic one. If a user clicks it, they will be taken to the new video in the same tab, effectively being booted out of the video in the middle of it.
@PickyMcCritical
@PickyMcCritical 7 жыл бұрын
Predictable outcome vs. predictable process. Very cool to think about...
@Deadlines-X
@Deadlines-X 8 жыл бұрын
this guy talking about a.i is the best thing ever could watch for hours
@KhalilEstell
@KhalilEstell 8 жыл бұрын
I love these AI videos. Please do more of these!
@saleplains
@saleplains 8 жыл бұрын
these two videos should've been part one and part two so people will know you have to watch them together to really get it
@funkygawy
@funkygawy 5 жыл бұрын
I'd say that the recursive analogy is the limit of a series more than the nuclear explosion. Convergent series mean you reach a limit of intelligence, but you can also have "divergent" series where intelligence improves in every cycle. But it's possible that it's continually increasing like the harmonic series; i.e., improvements are super small.
@massimookissed1023
@massimookissed1023 8 жыл бұрын
Innovation is the sincerest form of philately.
@mstchiefa7892
@mstchiefa7892 6 жыл бұрын
all i was thinking about watching this is wow this dude is pretty smart. show him more
@luke666808g
@luke666808g 8 жыл бұрын
The simple solution would be to place another variable higher in priority than collecting stamps, any alteration that makes it easier to shut off for the administrator will be preferable to the alteration that improves it's ability to collect stamps, checkmate.
@CaesarsSalad
@CaesarsSalad 8 жыл бұрын
I love his videos.
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