YOU'D THINK IT WAS RIGGED TODAY! The Story of the 1997 European Grand Prix

[@AidanMillward]

One thing I DID actually forget to mention, is that Michael was slowing when JV went for the send. But no one is quite sure of what caused it. But JV didn't know that, I guess. Also edit fails being chopped out.

[@MrSniperfox29]

The theory was the Michael had a slow puncture, which is why JV was faster at that point of the race. But as you said, nobody actually knows and the Michael nor Ferrari never commented on it.

[@terminateshere]

I heard rumours like that - if he knew his car was damaged already, it might have been judged as pre-meditated after all, so likely everyone concerned kept quiet about that bit after the event.

[@PanzerFalcon2232]

@@MrSniperfox29 I hear that it was a water pressure issue

[@aaronaaronsen3360]

The failing of the chopping out of the fail give out a "behind the scenes" vibes. No one's perfect but it gives a bit of "flavour", I couldn't explain it properly with my limited English 😅

[@greyone40]

I remember comments by the SpeedTV coverage that Michael was struggling and they thought it might have been an inferior set of tyres. One thing new to me today is the bit about the battery hanging by the wires. If I ever knew about it, it has been forgotten. I do remember on the day being happy to see Michael fail to take out Jacques. On that last corner it did look to me that Berger had let up a little to let Jacques be on the podium.

[@natelecarde962]

“No Michael no that was so not right!” -Jacques Villeneuve

[@AidanMillward]

“See ya later shitlord!”- Jacques Villeneuve, probably.

[@jtdavis62]

@@AidanMillward Wasn't that a song on one of his country records?

[@AidanMillward]

@@jtdavis62 yeah, but in French

[@sascha495]

2 corners later: "Where is Michael?" "Umm Jacques ... Michael has retired" "Karma!"

[@PuncakeLena]

Michael: OH NOOO NOOOOOOOO

[@Matkin222]

Fun fact: by this point, Villeneuve had already won for the final time in his career

[@bclautz]

Another fun fact I think he won one more major race in his career after this race

[@bobmcl2406]

Yeah, due to some truly sh*t management advice, rather than lack of driving talent.

[@rupertpupkin9630]

He did what Fittipaldi did, went off and started his own team (he part owned BAR). He gets crucified for it though, unlike Emerson.

[@Ramtamtama]

​@@rupertpupkin9630 Emmo joined his brother's team. In retrospect its more "aww that's sweet" than anything else. Villeneuve was, effectively, moving to Tyrrell with better engines and expecting to win the title straight off, which just comes across as thick.

[@Lazbotable]

@@bclautz 2008 spa 24 hrs

[@tomrachellesfirstdance7843]

IF is F1 backwards as Mr Walker used to say. I remember watching it live, thanks for making me feel old. Jacques was brilliant and so frustrating that season made so many mistakes but then would do something brilliant. One of my favourite seasons

[@BrainDamageComedy]

one formula - kind of ironic given the state of play today...

[@markko17]

As I recall (and it has been 25 years) at the post race interview, when asked about it, Jacques, tongue firmly in cheek, said something like, "His hand must have slipped on the steering wheel." Yeah, sure, Jacques.

[@ericbishoff4812]

I love that comment too ;)

[@dazzalincoballance3990]

He didnt say how he lunged to take micheal out though

[@rupertpupkin9630]

Ok Dazza 😂🤦‍♂️

[@zacharyradford5552]

He had constantly been breaking later than Michael going into that corner. A cold hard fact is no contact would have happened if Michael didn’t turn in twice. He turned in to make the corner then turned in even sharper when he realized Villneuve was making his move.

[@charamia9402]

I love how you rather randomly but perfectly contexted throw in 'the Michael' when speaking about him. It just comes across as a respectful nod to Schumacher, Häkkinen and their era.

[@AidanMillward]

It’s a less overt meme. This I can handle.

[@charamia9402]

@@AidanMillward It’s an intelligent meme, with layers - considering the Michael truly was 'the driver'. I believe Montoya when asked to describe Schumacher in one word answered 'target'. Truly one of the greats and in many ways the face of F1 in his era - like Hamilton have been for the past several years.

[@AidanMillward]

It’s a meme with layers. Like the “is it about my cube” scene from the Simpsons.

[@AndyFromBeaverton]

Holy crap, I can't believe I never remember hearing that stat of neither driver being on the podium at the same time. That has to be million-to-one odds. I really doubt there was a direct threat to Sauber from Ferrari. That kind of stuff is never said aloud.

[@Andy15678]

It was, Fontana sayd it in one discussion. He was forced, that he will be sacked from Ferrari family and will end if he will not help. Well, that was his end anyway.

[@mooreanonumbers]

Nothing compared to the qualifying oddity.

[@twofiftyseven5365]

@@Andy15678 Nope. Peter Sauber has denied any such claims. I'd rather believe the team prinicipal than some disgruntled employee looking to get some revenge and publicity for himself.

[@ruledtrendy5066]

On the ITV coverage of this race they did a driver special interview with Mika Häkkinen. In the interview he said his goal was to be world champion. After the interview Martin Brundle scoffed "he says he wants to be world champion. He should think about winning a race first as he hasn't won one yet" That must've been a large slice of humble pie for him

[@Xariama]

Especially since, at that moment, Hakkinen had more career wins than Brundle.

[@speedmann194]

Brundle was Schumacher's strongest team mate. Don't forget it took hakkenin 4 years to win 1 single race with McLaren. And he had V10 power all those year's. He had the best car 98,99. I believe even 2000 McLaren was still the best. Brundle didn't win a race but he never had the opportunities like hakkenin or Damon hill or Jaques Villeneuve either. Same goes for Jean alasi.

[@Yuggoth87]

@@speedmann194 Ouh shut up mate ! The McLaren Peugeot in '95 could have been a V10 but un underdeveloped S**t one that stood in one piece depending on its mood. In '96 The Mercedes was surely an improvement but was still way far the top guys (& still unreliable) '97 Started the way up. And no in 2000 Ferrari was clearly better than the McLaren, Hakkinen still suffered more retirement (5 to 3 i think) and without his engine blowing up in smoke at Indianapolis he would have been a 3 time WDC. (Not bad for a guy who was smacked into an armco barrier so hard that he passed out in a freaking coma for 3 days: even getting back into a F1 car after that can be seen as a great result, let alone winning 2 championship and fighting for 3 of 'em ...against a dude who was, arguably, the best talent of that era): Mika is a legend, he got those chances because he was next level good, and guys like him get on the top car sooner or later.

[@blacktoothfox677]

Who ate the pie though?

[@speedmann194]

@@Yuggoth87 mate I didn't say he had the best cars. I didn't say it was championship worthy. But 4 years to win 1 race ?? Let's Get real here. Do you think if senna and Schumacher were team mates at McLaren 94-97 it would've took them that long ?? I counted the race's McLaren finished. It was reliable enough to complete over 40 race's between 94-97 I have no doubt senna, Schumacher would've won multiple race's by then.

[@Andy15678]

I must say, that i remember even one curriosity, DC says, that even he slow down for Villeneuve, because he wanted be secure, that JV will won the title. He admired it. And TBH, this 90s stuff was still the best, as it was really a Rock n Roll hall of fame of Motorsport.

[@Olivyay]

DC and JV were good friends, IIRC they both slept in their own motorhomes in the paddock for the European races and had barbecues together in the evenings (Gilles Villeneuve also brought his motorhome).

[@grahamhill4113]

Brundle securing legend status with one piece of commentary

[@sultanabran1]

he had a few pieces of genius in that first season of his. ralf schumacher crashed at monza and he made up some excuse why he crashed. martin brundle said on live tv 'that sounds like a load of cobblers'. referring to schumacher/shoe-maker cobblers..... genius.

[@FernasRPG]

Schumacher wasnt "kick out". His points, victories, podiuns and poles still remains. He only lost the "second place" and became last. But he still has his 78 points, but in last. There was no real punishment at the end

[@TheBrummi10]

4:28 actually I am here because of Qualifying, I feel like it is not talked about enough. What are the odds that three drivers set identical times? Let alone it is for the top 3 on the grid. and then at the final race of the season, the championship decider! Incredible! Like imagine at the Abu Dhabi 2021 Quali Verstappen, Hamilton and Bottas (or Perez) did that, that'd be talked about and referenced like forever on social media

[@t3hmaniac]

Ver, Ham & Bot all set identical times then Raikonnen almost puts the 2021 Alfa on pole (but misses it because of Mazepin somehow). That's how crazy that Quali would be.

[@mooreanonumbers]

Ditto. It is a big, big, big coincidence. Their split times weren't particularly close which makes it weirder. Also, all the weird shenanigans going behind the scenes that week-end. Seems like it is one of those rare things that even respected F1 insiders get a bit conspirational about. AFAIK Williams never publicly released their GPS data which would have helped to squash some doubts.

[@AidanMillward]

It’s why both Max and Bernie thought the other had rigged it. I’m struggling to remember where I saw it now. Might have been the ITV review of 1997 or something to do with that race I can’t remember.

[@gajible9784]

@@AidanMillward Didn't they then measure the times to a further decimal to avoid this occurrence?

[@AidanMillward]

@@gajible9784 no. It’s always been to three decimal places.

[@reptongeek]

The one thing people don't bring up when they talk about Michael doing dodgy things on track is that ironically it could have cost him two WC's. Jacques as you've said wasn't going to make the corner and only did because Michael smacked into him. And he could have won in Monaco in 2006 even if he hadn't started on pole given the fact he finished fifth from a pitlane start

[@magicmillz]

Same with Alonso in 07. Going for broke when all it required was a bit of composure.

[@dazzalincoballance3990]

Even if schumacher didnt turn in on jv, jv lunge was done to take micheal out, yet jv is portrayed as innocent

[@rupertpupkin9630]

Don't agree on JV not making the corner. I think he would have run pretty deep sure... and Michael could have cut back inside and on the battle would have gone. Too bad Schumacher wasn't up for a street fight.

[@mooreanonumbers]

​@@dazzalincoballance3990 This makes no sense, a double DNF would've gifted the title to MSC. The cars had fairly fragile suspensions back then and a wheel to wheel contact would've likely ended JV's race on the spot. There's a reason why MSC tried to turn in on him. JV was lucky to finish that race.

[@john-kl3ux]

Even if Jacques ran wide, he was always gonna overtake Michael at some point imo. He was miles faster and Michael was chewing his tires up.

[@tacituskilgore9803]

I'll never forget when Martin Brundle was doing his Grid walk he was standing in between the Williams and the Ferrari on the Grid and he said "We've got Goldylocks on one side, and golden gonads on the other" Legend. *He called Villeneuve Goldylocks because Jacques had dyed his hair Blonde earlier in the season*

[@y_fam_goeglyd]

He's the only person whom I can stand doing a grid walk. So many others coo over "stars" (most of whom I haven't heard of, and clearly have _no_ knowledge or passion for F1) but he'd rather talk to the driver (and he's excellent at spotting which ones _don't_ want to talk, even from a distance!), or the engineer or mechanics. If he talks to a celebrity, it's one who is renowned for their love of the sport (like Rowan Atkinson. He's genuinely passionate and knowledgeable). And of course, his choice of words, as in your excellent example, is top notch. Having said that, I'm glad I only get the highlights package because they cut that grid walk rubbish out.

[@SamuelSantos_]

8:24 I think part of the reason why MSC was disqualified was because it was the second time he'd done something like this (1994 being the first), while when Senna did it in 1990 (as fucked up as it was) it was the first time.

[@tacituskilgore9803]

Fun fact: Up until he finished 3rd in this race, Jacques Villeneuve had only been on the podium in 1st place all season. He didn't finish in 2nd or 3rd at any other race

[@mk1cortinatony395]

I remember watching this live and sweating for JV in case he had damage, but i remember the comment from Martin Brundle the most lol. He was the 1st person the say anything about MS being a dirty player (whilst on air) and fully knew what MS did. I was so glad when he lost that year but the disqualification shouldve been for the following season NOT the one that just ended.

[@PixelisedPaul]

“Successful multi-championship winning driver is unsportsmanlike to win” where have I seen that several times since…

[@ihsanjayadi88]

None since Senna. Hamilton made mistakes, but he's never unsportsmanlike on track. You can argue that for Verstappen, but him pushing drivers off track is legal and can be considered as hard racing. Unless you have a bias against a certain driver, by which you can paint someone however you like.

[@wabba67]

Absolutely classic of a race. Fun fact: the Finnish broadcaster MTV3 was on an adbreak when the incident happened -- worst timing ever?

[@BrettJones27]

Yep. I remember watching this late at night, down under in Australia. When the lap forty-eight 'incident' happened I shouted so loudly, I woke my girlfriend, who was sleeping in our bedroom at the other end of the house! I got some stern looks from her when she came out to investigate what calamity had befallen me. My answer didn't really satisfy... apparently. Thanks for the video, mate.

[@wroomwroomboy123]

2:45 That is one of the most savage things I have heard

[@AidanMillward]

One of Malcolm Tucker’s best moments.

[@spishco]

I remember it well, watched it live. JV was my boy and he did not disappoint. Was a great time to be an F1 fan.

[@e2thesmooth]

Ross Brawn claimed in Beyond The Grid that after the incident The Michael stormed into the garage effing and jeffing, claiming JV pushed him off. Ferrari then showed the outside footage and only then did he realise how badly he messed up. Allegedly…

[@AidanMillward]

He denied any wrongdoing to the FIA and to Luca in Italy as well.

[@zacharyradford5552]

Yeah the people who hold his fate in their hands.

[@senorsoupe]

Living in Quebec at the time and as a 12 year old I was absolutely thrilled for JV. He was an absolute megastar with his famous last name and bleached blonde hair (which I never understood why that was a thing in the late 90's) and just generally being a Quebecois hero at a time when the Quebec independence movement was at it's height. I have such vivid memories of following this entire season and cheering on JV, my racing hero at the time

[@crusherbmx]

I can relate, I was 11 when Gilles died, Gilles was my hero and Jacques was like our second chance....well maybe 3rd chance, Jacques Sr, Gilles brother had a go at car racing but was better at snowmobiles.

[@vivianoni9565]

Def. an incidental, young dudes going blonde at that time was the (ugly) result of 'role models'/influencers like Slim Shady setting the std. So too were his wife-beater tops all the rage back then among 20-sths.

[@caseysmith544]

@@vivianoni9565 that and then young teens copying In-sync or Backstreet Boys around the same time as they had the copied hair styles of Eminem/Slim Shady, so teens were copying them due to the females liking those two bands.

[@LiamNI]

8:33 - "his reputation for fair play..." Yeah, like he had a shred of that left after the 1994 incident with Hill... 😂

[@AidanMillward]

Or 1990 at Macau, or 1991 at the Nurburgring.

[@LiamNI]

@@AidanMillward yep. Totally agree. The 94 just sprang to mind first... Lol

[@sturdzenaru]

Awesome video! I'm a Schumacher fan and I take my favorite driver with all the good, the bad and the ugly. And I've also gained so much respect for Max Mosley (RIP) and Bernie Ecclestone lately.

[@ChrisStoneinator]

Almost as much respect as Ecclestone has for Vladimir Putin?

[@apc9681]

11:20 editing gaff? Either way keep up the good work :)

[@AC_702]

Aidan, the Sauber thing was absolutely true. During the race, Jean Toft walked down to the Sauber pit and asked/directed them hold up the Williams team. It was on the world feed and the commentators in Japan even made a mention of it. I’m not sure why they didn’t punch the Sauber team’s ticket at that point because it was AIRED ON LIVE TELEVISION

[@AidanMillward]

Fontana’s story was that Todt told them that on the Sunday morning in the motorhome

[@Cynon]

That entire race had a surreal vibe to it when I finally saw it for the first time.

[@amazeddude1780]

The truth is, Schumacher was not an honourable competitor. There have been a number of drivers who demonstrate enormous egos, ruthless dispositions, and an obvious sense of entitlement. Some people find those to be admirable qualities.

[@CrunchyMotorsport]

I am so happy to see this remade, probably up there with Option 13 in terms of interest

[@akarilotube]

I watched it live back when and I've watched the 20th anniversary piece multiple times as it is rather enjoyable. The anniversary piece kind of put Jaques in a more positive light than I had previously considered him, which was refreshing. If you havn't watched it it's a great view.

[@mk1cortinatony395]

Link please :)

[@akarilotube]

@@mk1cortinatony395 kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKWQZH6Ka9Cnfrc

[@MatthiaGryffine]

1997. A great year for Canada and Jacques Villeneuve was a great part of it.

[@Luvmachinesjh3]

After Qualifying Schumy said he was surrounded by 3 Williams Drivers for the race start, he was talking about Hill too lol!

[@mitchsvideos]

Remember this well. I was go karting when the qualifying session was taking place and couldn't quite believe the result when I finished up and saw it on the TV! The mid to late 90's was a great time to be an F1 fan, especially looking back now and comparing it to much of the 2000s and 2010s.

[@sracing021]

I saw the thumbnail and the Villeneuve fan in me instantly knew what this would be about.

[@disclaimer.imjokin]

Any non netflix fan would know what this is about from the thumbnail

[@TrainWreck444]

The season that got me into F1 as 12 year old young Canadian, this was crazy Ill never forget it.

[@chrisccc22]

I too am Canadian. My I remember it was Gilles that got me into F1. It was 1982. My dad got tickets to the Detroit GP. I was stoked. Just a month before we were to go. Gilles died in his tragic accident at Zolder. We still attended but there was only one Ferrari participating.

[@createdtocomment1898]

Canadian too! I wish I could have seen Jacques in his prime. His CART career and F1 wins were before my time..

[@TrainWreck444]

@@chrisccc22 Aww man that's unfortunate! I was only told stories about Gilles as I was born in 85. Must have been something special to watch. Must of been wild to see an F1 race in the 80's and 90's

[@TrainWreck444]

@@createdtocomment1898 I was a CART fan first, I went to the Indy in Toronto every year since like 93 I think. Jacques remarkable rise was unreal to watch.

[@chrisccc22]

@@TrainWreck444 I have been to over 80 GP in my life. As mentioned my first was Detroit 1982. The very first car I saw on track was Michele Alboreto in the Tyrrell 011. The noise was so amazing. That year, they were running both normally asperated and turbo engines. I didn't know it at the time because I only remember the noisy ones. The next year I returned with my dad and the entire field was now turbos. I was very upset. There was no more noise. I asked my dad why and he said "Turbos Chris". We never went to another race until 1989. I remember being at the Canadian GP in 1995. I was sitting 2nd row on the starting grid, front row of the grandstand. It was Jean Alesi's Birthday. I got everyone singing Happy Birthday and he threw his gloves over the fence to me. He went on to win that race after a very long winless streak for Ferrari. Canada had just bought a bunch of metal grandstands that year. The Ferrari 412 T2 was so powerful. You could feel it via your a..hole coming up the straight, via "The Wall of Champions", through the metal grandstands. Once the turbo hybrid era came, I went to one race in 2014 and never been to another one. The noise of the V10s and V12s was something I can't forget.

[@jorgedej6028]

Best motorsport news/story channel, keep up the good work

[@chrisclermont456]

I saw it live. Jacques Villeneuve was driving like a man possessed that day. He was not going to be denied that day. I still can't believe Schumacher pulled that desperation move AGAIN!! Over the years many have attempted to explain this incident away. The bottom line is Michael was aware he was about to lose the championship right there. Crashing Villeneuve was the only option. He hadn't had any accidents that season. Why then?

[@Glassjar34]

There's a very good episode of Bring back v10s that goes through this race in great detail and features Jonathan Williams.

[@lefuedebout]

Jerez 1997 was the one and only F1 race I've ever attended. I learned on that day that an F1 GP race was best viewed on the telly. Watching live it's a case of " here they come, there they go " ( out of sight usually ). Another thing I noticed was the enormous " farts " the cars made while decelerating.

[@williamrae9954]

Spa is the place to go to,was there at the massive wipeout!

[@FEARYOYOYO]

I didn’t know that Frentzen was giddy for his teammate, I love it! Guess he also didn’t approve of his former teammates antics.

[@adammercer6004]

Also another reason was Schumacher had stole Frentzen's Girlfriend previously a few years back that Girlfriend went on to be Schumacher's wife!!! XD

[@FEARYOYOYO]

@@adammercer6004 wow, that’s something! But I guess Corinna and Michael were made for each other.

[@MrOpacor]

@@adammercer6004 Stolen is, by Frentzen's accord, a much to harsh word. As Frentzen told the story to many German media outlets, Corinna had been Frentzen's girlfriend, they separated and a few weeks later e got together with Schumacher. None the less, Frentzen did not like Schumacher too much. There was a Mercedes junior team of three, Frentzen, Wendlinger and Schumacher and most of the people involved thought that they all should make it to F1, but in that order. Well, deception by Schumacher's manage Weber changed that and Wendlinger and Frentzen were only able to enter F1 when Schumacher was already a driver who was scoring podiums and wins.

[@aaronaaronsen3360]

@@adammercer6004 F1 hack: to be multiple world champion, "steal" your teammate's girlfriend.

[@SemiMobilLampShade]

Brundle predicting history here, and again just this Sunday. Incredible man.

[@AidanMillward]

Ocon was given a penalty for doing the exact same thing in 2018. And that was unlapping himself.

[@SemiMobilLampShade]

@@AidanMillward It's so interesting to see the history repeat itself. Love the content, Aidan!

[@benrogers1559]

People who moan about Sauber holding up JV like to forget Hill held up Schumacher at the previous race just as bad. Cost him 5 seconds in one lap

[@sambedford5842]

Great video as always . Remember it vividly , probably brundels most famous bit of commentary

[@insanelee13]

Ahh 97 in Jerez, I remember it well. In fact i don't think i was happier at the outcome of a race before or since then (at least until Russell wins his 1st race). This was one of the most exciting races i think i have seen, and i miss having a driver on the grid with the character of someone like JV.

[@BestWafflesEUW]

I love that you left the outtake in Aiden, quality stuff ❤

[@JohnSmithShields]

I see Storytime revisited, I click. Episode 6 if I remember right, and a classic.

[@sultanabran1]

i saw this race live on the ITV coverage. can't say i was surprised to see schummi have swipe at JV. i was glad it worked out for JV for at the time, I was still bitter about 94 Adelaide.

[@joshd171294]

Verstappen and Schumacher both have/had that same “run over my own dog” to win mentality.

[@mushie8447]

Max is pretty mild in comparison with Schumacher and Senna....Max is a different driver IMO...Hard but fair...

[@musculusiv4172]

I wasnt around to see that season but I always found it a bit off that Msc wasnt disqualified from the '98 season instead. Just being disqualified from the' 97 season which he had already lost is like getting no punishment at all

[@AJZulu]

I'm glad you redid this one. Thanks

[@Olivyay]

After the bad start, I spent that whole race until the contact on the edge of the sofa shaking and wishing for Villeneuve to close the gap and take first position back.

[@davesiddons8921]

1997 was my 2nd proper season watching every race and I remember a lot about this and Hungary that year. Being 11 at the time and seeing Damon win I automatically wanted villenueve to win so I got really invested, especially after Australia qually where he destroyed everyone. There’s probably a lot of rose tinted glasses and nostalgia but they were great times in f1 Drive to survive would make an entire season based on what happened that weekend in Jerez.

[@lostalone9320]

Best commentating of all time, love it so much.

[@saippuakivikuappias]

I never knew Max Mosely was responsible for the "reassembled by aircrash investigators" quote. I just remember hearing it on The Thick Of it, a gentle look at the politics of the early to mid 2000's for those that don't know of it.

[@AidanMillward]

I added the Malcolm Tucker bit for comedy value.

[@saippuakivikuappias]

@@AidanMillward oh. 😂 🤦‍♂️

[@docslappy8946]

I remember it well, especially after giving the benefit of doubt at Adelaide. I didn't know about the German and Italian press reaction though. Very interesting. Of course they changed their tune a few seasons later. 😀

[@jacekatalakis8316]

Also that Arrows/Bridgestone combo was bloody quick on its day, too. Arrows were underrated and unlucky in 97, too. Hill was still arguably giving it his all in that shitbox of a car

[@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1]

The Bridgestone tires came into their own that season in very hot conditions

[@adammercer6004]

Car was very good around tight twisty stuff so that's why you see Hill having those fantastic proformances at Hungary and Jerez and having Bridgestone tyre which were more often than not better than the goodyear rubber that year helped greatly but the two achilles's heels of the Arrow were reliability and the Yamaha engine.

[@y_fam_goeglyd]

Don't mention Hungary '97 to me. I'm still traumatized.

[@terminateshere]

What happened to Damon in that race? Qualified 4th but never worked out why he vanished from the points as no-one focused on action down the field on that day.

[@raptor1672]

@Jace Katalakis So the 97 Arrows was bloody quick on its day but also a shitbox? Which one is it? 🤣

[@amaccama3267]

I was a massive JV fan in the 1990's. Best helmet design too. 👌

[@kebabaluba]

Schumacher is one of the greatest but he have done many questionable things. Heck even in his comeback he almost pushed approaching car into a pit wall.

[@mamavswild]

10:50. ‘New fans’ are the scapegoat of a toxic fanbase that has ALWAYS been there….they just give the gatekeepers someone to blame. I’m old enough to remember the hate Prost received, Senna and Schumacher got…Seb being booed and jeered just for wining and being happy about it, I remember Nico Rosberg being literally chased all around Europe by British Hamilton fans and booed into a retirement in 2016….’new fans’ are the problem?! No not at all.

[@nox5555]

thats codeword for americans---

[@mamavswild]

@@nox5555 Your comment is baseless, empty hate and has no substance.

[@theswedishchef5848]

@@nox5555 ahh yes all the americans at silverstone

Disqualified from the race for not observing double waves yellows? So the FIA *DOES KNOW* how to lash out harsh penalties when it suits them (or benefits someone they want to benefit).

[@MrSniperfox29]

No, he was disqualified for blocking people in practice on about three occasions. Nowadays in theory if you do it once you get a penalty, but back then it would take numerous occasions (and warnings) before they threw the book at you. Interestingly enough, however, the FIA in the 80's and early 90's was incredibly harsh with penalties. Gerhard, you crept forward on the start line, ONE MINUTE PENALTY Nigel, because we forgot to turn the lights on the at the end of the pitlane and you had no idea when it was safe to join the circuit, we're going to disqualify you.

[@AidanMillward]

Even though JV had been doing it several times that season, it was still seen as being a little bit “convenient” he be disqualified from a whole race because of it. 10 second stop go penalty would have been a saner penalty.

[@illdeletethismusic]

this was before all the minor penalties got added. back then it was just drive through, DSQ, 3 race ban, full season exclusion. Anything too little for such a penalty didn"t give any

[@crusherbmx]

I watched that race....HELL YA I watched it! Gilles was my hero when I started watching F1....and now I got to cheer for Jacques, finally a Canadian with a shot at the title! I yelled at the TV when Michael hit him. That was such a gonzo move, too! There is no way he could have made that pass stick! It was ridiculous, and Michael should have known that, but instead of just letting Jacques over shoot the corner then repassing him, Michael got angry and did something stupid.

[@martinflyer1197]

I remember watching this live with my dad. I remember him swearing quite loudly at "that F*****G German"

[@zimbabwedarts]

Part of the reason why Schumacher isn't in the top tier of Senna, Clark and Hamilton. A good driver but also a dirty cheat. His team cheated in 94 as well

[@mestubbs]

Thanks for the entertaining edit error 🙂

[@ottawavalleybushcraft]

All of Canada knew Jacques after that day. I was just a boy in ‘97 but I was watching F1 with my folks since the late 80s. They were the glory days… Jacques fought for that title and earned every bit of it. One of the most memorable races I’ve seen.

[@crusherbmx]

Why does Jacques get so much bad press? His attitude is hilarious, I love it. So what if he burned out early, he had 4 great seasons at the top of the sport, 2 in IndyCar and 2 in F1, back when IndyCar was a legit rival to F1

[@MrBritishComedy]

Not sure you can call his F1 achievements great when put into perspective. Yes, he was an F1 rookie in '96, but he was hyped as the talent of the century and he very clearly lost out to Damon Hill whom nobody regarded as a super talent. Also, in 1997, the Williams was far superior and faster than the Ferrari - and yet, had Schumacher's last set of tyres not developed blisters, Villeneuve would have lost the championship. As a matter of fact, with the machinery he had, he should've bagged the title at least 3 races early. But he didn't. After 1997, he had practically no more moments of brilliance and especially towards the end of the career, he was losing out pretty badly to his team mates. And yet he has some pretty controversial - often unfounded - opinions that he likes to share with the world all the time.

[@rupertpupkin9630]

Villeneuve had epic qualifying laps and race performances in the '98 Williams and early BAR's in 1999 and 2000... all very poor midfield cars. To say he "did nothing" after 1997 is like saying Alonso has done fuck all since 2013 😂🤦‍♂️ He also had one of the great rookie seasons, taking the title battle to the last race - after an epic win in Portugal - and won the F1 championship in only his second season. Add his CART championship and legendary Indy 505 win and he's a motorsport legend. Only Andretti and Fittipaldi have equalled that triple feat.

[@foxtrotalphaone]

Back when IndyCar was CART.

[@3rdStoreyChemist]

@@MrBritishComedy To put it into perspective, having rookie seasons in F1 in the best car/team was relatively unheard of at the time. Typically you'd do it at another team and progress up the grid. So regardless of the hype around him, nobody really expected JV to perform like he did in '96. Just to win a race would have been more than enough to back up the hype at that time. The performance of Ferrari at that time is also wildly exaggerated now, they were hardly a back marker team and had been achieving persistent podiums throughout '94 & '95, Schumacher was just turning them back into a consistent race winning & championship contending team. The Williams was the best car in '96, but that gap had closed in '97. But yeah, JV made some pretty bad choices, most likely a result of achieving too much too quickly.

[@ryanstevens6010]

I was a big fan of F1 from around 1977 until May 1982. Well, I watched a few more races in 1982 and afterwards but it was never the same. I was not big into sport, but I became a big Gilles Villeneuve fan when I received a subscription to Road & Track magazine as a gift in 1977. I never really had any heroes in the world of sports until GV. I was lucky enough to attend the 1982 USGP West in Long Beach and got to see my hero take a post-race lap of the track in the back of a Toyota truck along with Niki Lauda and Keke Rosberg, two of my other favorites. For the longest time, even when they were borderline backmarkers, I was still a Ferrari fan, right up until the day that they signed Schumacher. I started to get back into following racing when Jacques started in CART/Indy Car. Nearly winning as a rookie and then winning the next year was seriously exciting. Then when he moved to F1 I had to start following that series again, hoping to see him do what his father was unable to accomplish. I was too cheap to pay for cable TV but I was technically savvy so I did rewire the cable box, tapping my neighbor's connection to be able to watch the races (the statute of limitations has passed, right?) Maybe I'm just old-fashioned, but I cannot respect the 'win at all costs' mentality, and prefer honor and integrity. I remember Gilles following team orders and let Scheckter win the title in 1979 even though he could have taken it for himself, and I remember Pironi take the victory in San Marino 1982. Maybe Gilles was a little naive and idealistic as some have said, but I liked that about him. Prost, Senna, Michael Schumacher? Brutal and cutthroat, the lot of them, resorting to underhanded techniques instead of driving talent to get victories, and in my idealistic world that is not to be admired. Yes, they had talent behind the wheel, but their unwillingness to take the loss just exemplified the spoiled rich brat attitude that seemed pervade F1 (and may still - I haven't watched a race in years...) Gilles seemed to be the opposite of this, from a simpler background but with a desire to race anything and everything, and had the talent to win. Whilst Jacques may not have had that same working-class background, he showed that he had the talent to win and was able to do so with skill rather than resorting to underhanded techniques to secure victories. I definitely remember watching the 1997 European Grand Prix. Of course I wanted Jacques to win, but I knew that Schumi would try something incredibly brazen and desperate. There was absolutely no surprise when he tried to take out Jacques, but it was a bit surprising given how poor the attempt was. This is a driver with plenty of experience, in multiple series no less, at employing this exact cheap and desperate tactic so you'd think that he would be better at it. Not that I was complaining as the outcome that I wanted to see was unfolding before my eyes. It was a good day and the good guys actually won, unlike how reality usually turns out. I will remember that victory, like my experiences at the one and only F1 race I attended, for the rest of my days.

[@eamonahern7495]

I remember that qualifying time and I remember watching both it and the race live as RTE (the Irish national broadcaster) showed qualifying and the races live back then.

[@schizo0223]

Just found your channel. Immediately subscribed!

[@LowFatCurrantBun]

Just a quick link to the previous video regarding IndyCar and its marketability. This video here is the '95 IndyCar champion versus the '95 F1 champion. F1 also got the '97 & '98 CART champ in the form of Alex Zanardi in 1999, and the '99 CART champ in the form of Juan Pablo Montoya in 2001... One would have struggled to have manufactured a better opportunity to have answered the question of: _"Hmm,.. where'd these guys come from?!?? 🤔"_ But alas! That split was pretty costly 😐.

[@danilomancini]

The most amazing thing is that Villeneuve was able to read the lips of Michael inside the car, from a far distance

[@danilomancini]

In German

[@AidanMillward]

These drivers can pick out loads of stuff we wouldn’t it’s ridiculous.

[@nhailstone]

This was the first season I watched, but I missed this race as I was on a rather crap holiday. Not exactly a villeneuve fan but I’m glad he won this.

[@EvoEightRich03]

One quick correction! Renault did not win in 94 that was a "Ford" Schumacher's 1st championship They won in 92 93 95 96 97

[@AidanMillward]

Williams and Renault won the constructors.

[@EvoEightRich03]

That's what I thought you meant, after I sent my message my mistake!! Take care!

[@billsanders6772]

A good telling of the tale 25 yrs ago in 1997!!

[@icewhitegames6875]

Great video mate. I remember everyone hating MS after that.

[@har234908234]

Good stuff again, Aidan... but have we outsourced the editing? :)

[@thomascooley2749]

Strange how many drivers that play dirty never get a chance to enjoy there winnings

[@qraji1]

"I will come down on you so hard that you will need reassembling by aircrash investigators." 😭💀😂😂😂😂

[@alexlazebat839]

i loved the comment when in 96 they sang who do you think your kidding michael schumacher this was followed up in 97 by the classic line "that a typical shabby nazi trick" from dads army

[@AC_702]

I don’t know, Aidan…I think Villenueve would’ve made that corner, but only barely. I watched this race live in Japan at the time and immediately said “1994!” I remember seeing the podium and it didn’t look like Coulthard was happy, as if he knew what was going to happen in the future as he was going to be second fiddle to Hakkinen.

[@AidanMillward]

I think he would have overshot it and Michael would have done a switchback.

[@TiffanyRyeMarston]

It still boggles my mind that someone who won cart, Indy and the f1 championship never won a race after this...and his career fell off a cliff.

[@kevinjones7870]

I remember watching this race live on tv and when it happened, it removed all doubt in my mind that Schumacher and Hills crash in Adelaide 94 was definitely deliberate and not a racing incident

[@olivialambert4124]

Ah, John Newhouse. I wish I were watching in this era, many of these stories are amazing.

[@twofiftyseven5365]

As a Ferrari fan I'm sad Michael couldn't win the title that year but if it was to be anyone else that won it then I'm glad it was the son of Gilles Villeneuve #27. Gilles himself would've deserved to win multiple titles.

[@chombus2602]

A bit ironical that his son won the title against Ferrari

[@abhishekroy7516]

Hey Aidan. What are your thoughts on making a video on Giorgia Pantano? It's not common to see a F1 back marker go back to the junior category after a few years in the top tier to absolutely dominate the junior cat.

[@hjorte.]

Great job, AM!

[@y_fam_goeglyd]

I've said enough about the outcome over the years, but I'm still miffed that Damon lost that chance for pole.

[@bripps]

Great video, brought back loads of memories. One question, was it ever proven that JV doesn't make the corner? I remember MS/Ferrari claiming it, but I've never seen JV/Williams, anyone else confirm anything other than he was going very deep. Happy to stand corrected though as you know a huge amount about F1.

[@guzimirHR]

Had been watching F1 for about twenty years back then and rememer it as being as one of the low points (as well as Adelaide, Senna/Prost era Suzuka crashes, driver strikes, FISA/FOCA wars and shennenigans). Man, I'm too old- had been watching F1 since old black and white television (I remember having to forfeit my TV rights a day before the race, since I was allowed to watch telly only an hour a day- so, in a case of a movie or a race that lasted longer than an hour, forfeiting my right to watch TV the day before meant I could watch the whole thing 🤣- not tin the days of Schumacher, speaking of late '70ies when I was in elementary school 😂).

[@jeeenyus4385]

This was the exact moment I decided to root against Michael for the rest of his career.

[@jacekatalakis8316]

Tea and toast in front o the TV at 7am, those were the days Also, Norberto Fontana not in the pit lane, rare sight!

[@glentight]

Yeah, Nostalgia makes some of us blind to most of the dodgy AF stuff that used to go on, and that our "heroes" are just people...

[@twright1983]

Murray and Martin’s cynical commentary on Fontana was hilarious

[@scottjones2813]

I was 13 it was the first grand prix I was able to watch start to finish. So stoked that a Canadian won. Then utterly disappointed by him for the rest of his career and them some. Still super exciting race definitely legendary status for in my eyes.

[@kevinprior3549]

Having the season ending at Jerez in Spain was a bit strange. Did seem a bit random but at least it gave an amazing finale!

[@hoedenbesteller]

A good reminder why I disliked Schumi at the time. In all fareness he built up a marvellous Ferrari team but man, if he did not win he would throw everything but the kitchensink at ya. Same like Lewis come to think of it....

[@joshd171294]

Nothing like Hamilton fucking hell. He understeered into someone once last year. Never done anything like Schumacher and never brake tested anyone like other individuals

[@fourutubez7294]

@@joshd171294 Ask any of the drivers Lulu has pushed of the track on the outside if they agree.

[@joshd171294]

@@fourutubez7294 every driver has been involved in an incident that’s their fault. Doesn’t make them dirty drivers. “Maaxth” and Schumi have done things that are clearly foul play. And I loved Schumacher as a kid but doesn’t excuse it

[@fourutubez7294]

@@joshd171294 but when the driver you like does it then it doesn't count?

[@midnightlexicon]

Did you make a video about the 94 incident as well?

[@WipeoutFPV]

Love the outtake at the end 😅