Aircraft Stall Captured by Skydiver

Incident info released for general information / educational purposes to the aviation community by videographer Bernard Janse van Rensburg, with the full knowledge of the drop zone operations.
-Skydive Mosselbay, South Africa
-14 Oct 2021, 18h00
-Beechcraft C90 King Air
-Pilot +15 pax. All pax are fully qualified skydivers
-Jump run altitude 16000’ AGL
-6 skydivers in the ‘float’ position outside of the aircraft, including the videographer
-All known protocols of the aircraft type were understood, practiced and exercised by the skydivers
-This was the second load of a planned 20x jump event

[@spencerlukay5809]

0:55 It’s absolutely amazing how all of the skydivers came together again to help stabilize the aircraft.

[@spamsauzzage913]

truly a wonder of human abilites

[@skippyhead387]

Lmao

[@douthchonk854]

underrated comment lmao

[@roadscholar05]

Ah, the reversed the video!!!! And this is called a stall-spin which is worse than a plain stall.

[@scottskinner577]

@@roadscholar05 yeah especially for an aircraft that's not rated for spins. Touched by an angel.

[@androssteague]

I'm glad everyone's okay and that was scary situation, but this is the best cinematography of an action sequence I've ever seen. Tom Cruise should really take a page from this incident.

[@danquaylesitsspeltpotatoe8307]

Didnt happen

[@chuckkiephan6880]

Why Tom Cruise? Like he's the only person in the world that can Fly a Plane, Parachute, be a Director, producer, Writer ✍ Actor / Actress, Stuntman , Cinematographer , Sound man, Coffee boy, Finance company & most importantly Dope Dealer to the 🌟 cause no movie can be filmed without the best Dope Hollywood have. When you see an actor crying in a movie that's because they so Dope Sick & needs that powder in every color

[@RealBazman]

@@chuckkiephan6880 it's time toeave your room and get some air... Bro you are a lunatic

[@globalisteverywhere3578]

It was intentional.

[@LosBerkos]

Tom Cruise the cinematographer must get a lot of work based on that coincidence alone.

[@colin1818]

As many times as I've skydived I still see these videos and realize just how crazy this whole idea is. You hang out of a flying plane and then drop away. It's ridiculous. And I love it.

[@n1vg]

I've only jumped twice, but yeah, it's absurd. I know my brain just didn't quite want to process that there was *nothing* around me. I was in a plane, and then I was just in free space. At some point I was probably a mile from any solid object and that just isn't something that normally happens when you live stuck to a ball of rock by gravity.

[@frozendefender]

I've done one jump in my life, and its a really weird feeling to be jumping off a perfectly good and well flying plane on your own volition. Fun non the less.

[@changedpace9169]

@Kuku (Hindi) you can get lessons for like $100 at a club. Did my first jump with my wife for $200 in total and we jumped alone and guided ourselves. A bit sketchy but awesome

[@kustomhooligans]

That's exactly how I describe skydiving to my friends, "Its where you get on a plane and fly up a few miles, then you're like 'Fvck this plane, I'm out. Peace!' and you open the door and walk out." Its insane!

[@DoubleKlutchRacing]

@@changedpace9169 where did you go? First ever jump? Nobody holding on? No one strapped to the back? I don’t believe that for a second if you answered no to both of those… especially not for $100 a jump.

[@budiyanto4751]

The divers : alright we are going to jump The plane : wait, me too

[@jcims]

I know its scary and all that but man that is some beautiful footage. Gorgeous plane and the sun in those clouds is amazing.

[@SineEyed]

Looks better when you watch the original video and not some stomped on stolen ass bootleg..

[@paulgreengod]

Imagine the pilots view

[@KOLORADOXx]

It really is perfect footage

[@mofumofu3699]

Earth is beautiful

[@mindeloman]

Reminds me of a story the legendary fighter ace and test pilot Bud Anderson once told: in the big air force transport/cargo planes, if he was flying as a passenger and there were several other passengers, he would get everyone to slowly walked to the front most bulkhead. Just slowly .....one at a time. The pilot would imperceptibly feed in elevator trim. Then all at once they would all go running to the rear and throw off the CG of the plane and cause it to nose up and freak out the flight crew. Edit: as of today - 12/12/21 - Bud Anderson is still alive! 99 years old. I would encourage everyone to read his autobiography. Just amazing stuff. Pretty humble man too. I think his friend Chuck Yeager encouraged him to write it and publish it. Yeager considered him one of of best. They were squadron mates in the 357th in WWII. 0He flew in 3 wars. WWII (8th airforce) Korea, and Vietnam where he commanded a F-105 squadron. Retired a full bird colonel. Among his all his awards, (5) distinguished flying crosses.

[@centenarium]

🤣 Brilliant

[@boigercat]

thanks for the laugh 😂👌

[@gorramgomer]

Did that on submarines, too. Called them Trim Parties

[@mindeloman]

@@gorramgomer ha! That actually reminds me of a great WWII memior called "Iron Coffins." Written by one of the few surviving U-boat captains. Due to depth charging they got pushed and pushed down until they were on the sea floor. By the time the depth charging had stopped - like 12 hours later - and they needed to rise to the surface, the sub was stuck in the mud. They blew tanks but nothing. So they got all the men and and everyone began running back and forth disturbing the CG while engineers blews tanks. It finally and slowly came out of the mud.....but I can't imagine knowing your survival has come down to whether or not running back and forth will free you from the mud.

[@majorchungus]

Until you are so tail heavy that the plane can't recover. Not the smartest idea.

[@waynehearst317]

20 years on the internet, most amazing vid i've ever seen.

[@sbrewski27]

Here's a better one kzbin.info/www/bejne/eonHdnhuaJyjbrM

[@forloop7713]

Cause you only watch yt

[@waynehearst317]

@@forloop7713 but...but....I also watch Disney Channel!!!

[@waynehearst317]

@@sbrewski27 yea, saw that....on YT

[@misguidedangel6550]

Did the plane end up crashing? Did the pilot jump out or was he still in plane?

[@xeigen2]

PILOT's PERSPECTIVE: The aircraft was inspected and is undamaged. The jump run procedure entails setting flaps 60-80 and bringing back the left engine to flight idle. We also bring the left prop back to full coarse to minimize disking of the prop. This is to enable the jumpers to egress onto the outside step, which would otherwise be difficult due to the prop & thrust blast from the left engine. There is also the added danger of the blast pushing jumpers into the left elevator. Power is kept on the right engine to maintain altitude during the jump run, which typically takes 60 seconds. A fair amount of right rudder is required to fly a straight line in this configuration. Pilot to maintain 95-90 kts IAS. The stall and subsequent spin happened when we allowed too many jumpers on the outside step, causing an aft center of gravity and excessive blocking of the airflow to the left horizontal stabilizer. The nose then pitched up beyond the controllability of the elevator. I anticipated the stall when I hit the elevator stop. As the wing came over, I moved the right engine power and prop levers back to the flight idle position, thereby neutralizing the engine effect from both engines, centralized the ailerons and applied full right rudder (rudder was already in quite deep in at this point). The aircraft behaved very well, and the recovery was surprisingly easy. I pulled out as gently as possible as I did not want to stress the airframe. There was some additional instability when I pulled out of the dive and pushed the throttles forward to power up, as the one engine spooled up much quicker than the other and caused another asymmetrical moment. The flaps may have inadvertently helped to keep the airspeed low. AIS showed 140kts when I pulled out. The incident was reported to CAA within 24 hours. They investigated (including a visit to our hangar) and they seem to be happy that the aircraft was operated and flown within its STC. In future, no more than 5 jumpers will be allowed on the outside step. We will also brief the big formations to be wary of a pitch moment of the nose of the aircraft, so they can let go should this ever happen. This will also be placarded inside the aircraft and included in our King Air briefing for new jumpers. I am sharing the above information because skydive ops is very different from normal operations and leave people wondering why we fly certain configurations during the climb, jump run and descent. The aircraft landed safely with the skydivers that did not exit. The incident was promptly reported to the South African CAA and PASA national safety and training officer. The next day the jump team made adjustments to their exit procedure following discussion with the pilot and no further incidents or near-incidents were experienced. Source: m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=815758609269982&id=800288897&_rdr

[@SoarNH]

"The aircraft behaved very well, and the recovery was surprisingly easy." That's a pretty weird assessment of a LOC event that led to 1 1/2 turns in autorotation followed by four (count 'em!) secondaries. Astounding sky diving & video work on the part of the camera guy!

[@UnshavenStatue]

@@SoarNH Well I agree it *looks* funny, but we don't know what was going thru the pilot's mind, and the sort of inputs they made. The weird external looks may well be compatible with "easy recovery, good handling". Keep in mind that "easy recovery" doesn't mean "quick recovery", trying to go for "quick" frequently causes more problems

[@xeigen2]

@@SoarNH He certainly does try to paint a little more favorable picture of events in his account. You can see in the video he's still trying to counteract the roll with aileron as the stall is happening which aggravates it. He doesn't neutralise until well into the spin. Still, he does recover, doesn't loose *too* much altitude and kept it in one piece. I can't condemn the guy too much. He certainly learned from it I'm sure.

[@user-vs3zz3zi4s]

Thank you for sharing and glad all worked out well.

[@onebadapple83]

Thanks for posting this to clear things up! Lotta armchair quarterbacks here including me!

[@itellyouforfree7238]

i wouldnt call this an incident. this is a cinematic masterpiece

[@CurlyChrizz]

Amazing video! That camera skydiver deserves an award for this!

[@greggsnyder9639]

100% agree!

[@Ro6entX]

This footage is almost as epic as the video of two planes collide in flight by skydivers (believe no one died) but pretty darn close. Props (no pun intended) to the pilot for able to avoid hitting any of jumpers and get control of plane.

[@jonathancamp7190]

Props, my ass. He was just damn lucky!

[@wizzotizzo]

@@jonathancamp7190 what

[@arkl1ght258]

@@wizzotizzo He means its an asymmetric stall, the A/C was completely out of control and was “damn lucky” to have not killed someone. Whilst it looks impressive its a very unprofessional situation all around.

[@TheOneTrueSpLiT]

Yeah, that video is something else isn't it and to see it from the perspective of the jumpers BEFORE they left the aircraft is pretty scary.

[@kewkabe]

There were two secondary stalls after the first one though. Bad recovery technique.

[@EddieLeeFunn]

This brings home the adage "altitude is life", if it exists !

[@z33511]

Two things useless to a pilot: runway behind him and sky above him.

[@daddymcpapi7520]

my instructor used to say "any airspeed, any altitude "

[@fliteshare]

The saying is: Airspeed is life, altitude is life insurance.

[@daddymcpapi7520]

@@fliteshare I also remember "you can only tie the record for low flying " 😐

[@ronl7131]

Good vid and description of what happened. Glad everyone finished safely and plane was ok, too. Like another stated: good fortune of decent altitude for recovery

[@electronroom]

I've seen a stall from the inside (pilot training) but never one from the outside. Amazing stuff :)

[@StratMatt777]

This is not merely a typical stall (like happens in a single engine or in a twin producing symmetrical power), what you are seeing here is a fantastic and rare example of what is called a "Vmc roll" (Velocity Minimum Control Speed roll). What that means is: a multi-engine airplane experiencing a stall while operating on one engine, resulting in a roll caused by the equal and opposite reaction to the torque, p-factor and lift caused by the accelerated slipstream of the operating (right engine). This footage is an amazing rare example of a Vmc roll. Even better, when teaching students about Vmc (loss of directional control in a multi operating on one engine), center of gravity location is part of the discussion/teaching. In this case and aft CG actually contributed to causing the stall. An amazing (and rare) video example of all those factors that are at play in a Vmc loss of control. (And for the keyboard warrior "correctors": Yes, I realize that this aircraft was operating on two engines, just that one was massively powered back. PAST= P-factor Accelerated Slipstream Spiraling Slipstream Torque

[@dg-hughes]

I took flying lessons in my early 20s but I had to stop due to lack of money. But the stall chapter scared the crap out of me. Especially if I had stalled while on my first solo. It's good I'm not a pilot.

[@MegF142857]

@@dg-hughes Me too! Instructor kept making me stall by cutting power or making me pull up and up. He would also then demand that I let the stall continue at points & tell me to prepare to crash with "find a place to land" in fields and stuff. I only took 5 hours. He wanted me to solo in 10 more hours & scared me too much. I stopped - but money was a factor too.

[@garretttomasek3435]

@@MegF142857 Yea learning to fly can be supper nerve-racking at times but once you actually do you first solo you feel like you can do anything

[@blaster-zy7xx]

I'm a pilot and did many many stall recoveries. In a single engine, it is pretty benign high up. You just stay on the rudder to avoid a spin, lower the nose and bring up power. It starts flying again almost immediately. This one is scary because of multi factors of a sudden change in Center of gravity, slow flight, asymmetric power in a twin, poor stall recovery and people all over the place to run into.

[@anonymousbrit7436]

Is it possible the plane had entered the stall due to all of them grouping in one general space so it offset the centre of gravity and as they all let go of the plane the sudden shift in weight and centre of gravity causing that stall?

[@mikebravo3527]

Exactly 💯 Weight and balance was thrown off, nosed up over angle of attack and voila power on stall wing drops and your in a spiral

[@stunner4146]

So the weight and balance was thrown off and that sudden shift caused one wing to get more stalled than the other so the aircraft stalled. With that being said, these mulit engines have one engine on idle and are very close to stall speed when someone is about to jump. So it really didn't take much for the plane to stall and enter a spin.

[@DeltaCoyote]

I was wondering if it might be because it slowed down too much, since I imagine the plane has to slow down to as slow as possible for everyone to jump off Or maybe it was a combination of both things

[@mikebravo3527]

@@DeltaCoyote the rapid pitch up in slow flight could only mean either the pilot turned his head to look back and naturally pulled back on the yoke or the 1000lbs rapidly dispersed to the rear of a plane with the COG behind the firewall of the plane is most likely the cause

[@Bipbapbop_]

He was stalling before they jumped, you can see it slowly rolling and pitching up into the dive right before they jump.

[@mattcollins4550]

Glad everyone made it out safely!

[@ddthompson42]

This looks like the dumbest thing you can do in a small(ish) plane: move roughly 2500 pounds of passenger weight to the rear and to one side... outside the plane. Perfectly balanced plane became unbalanced and asymetrically "draggy" in an instant. I smell a good FAA whitepaper :-) Nice job by the pilot.

[@Joellercoaster]

1) you know this kind of thing has been done for several decades, right? FAA are not going to suddenly decide they care about groups with floaters. 2) how much do you think people weigh?

[@ddthompson42]

@@Joellercoaster It has been done for decades, but if videos like this keep surfacing they’ll be forced to do something, even if that something is writing an AC to warn of the dangers of stacking all your jumpers on the door in smaller planes. The description said 15 jumpers, so 2500 pounds is less than the FAA “standard” person by average and they had chutes…

[@scottstewart9154]

Read the pilots report , he put the left engine on Idle but still had power on right. that aggravated the situation they were at 16K feet pilot could have put both engines at idle and let the plane drop altitude

[@ddthompson42]

@@usernotfound904 The description said 15 jumpers.

[@ddthompson42]

@@usernotfound904 Wow, “Muppet?” Awful minor conversation here to lead in with name-calling. Bet you’re a blast at parties.

[@omgyeti2049]

*Everyone jumps* “Wasn’t one of us supposed to fly the plane back?” *Awkward glances all around*

[@genuinetrueblue]

Still my favorite video on YT. Camera Man was absolutely sublime

[@DrinkingArt]

Wow. Speechless. Plus the way this was filmed was just too good.

[@z33511]

Jumpers are like "we're clear, sucks to be him, let's get back to our formation!"

[@seoceancrosser]

The king air is a bad jump platform. Small door, low tail, fast airspeed on jump run, pitch sensitive, low capacity of jumpers are just a few things that come to mind. Glad everyone got away with their lives and uninjured. Thanks for sharing

[@tcaphou]

You are exactly right. I was thinking the exact same thing. Now, go to bed!

[@jbw9999]

Maybe a King Air 2xx/3xx (or F90) with T-tail would be better.

[@seoceancrosser]

@@tcaphou Hey buddy! No rest for the wicked. Go dawgs! 😁

[@kingjinga2539]

The elder Beechcraft 18 is better suited for the job, hell the DC-3, being a good jump platform is one of their claims to fame.

[@gouda2872]

Yeah. I've jumped the King air and that prop wash suuuuuucks! I love the Cesna 208s. Turbopro pped, one prop, nice big door, slow jump run speeds. JELLY

[@chrissmith7669]

It can’t do much for the Cg to have everyone hang behind the door.

[@sideshowbob5237]

And indeed the cg shift when they all jump at once. Poor pilot.

[@Joellercoaster]

CG is often not even the biggest problem - having all those people outside the plane disrupts the airflow over the tail in a big way, and they need to fly slower on jump run so there's less of it to start with. Jump pilots definitely earn their money! (Edit: sounds like it was CG in this case though, from a comment further down.)

[@elliothuh669]

Not only that but all the weight from the sky divers. is on the left side of the plane to boot.

[@nate6692]

I was going to say the capture is incorrect/incomplete. It should say 'Aircraft stall CAUSED by skydivers'

[@scottstewart9154]

@@Joellercoaster Your correct it was probably both weight put the nose up and lost lift from tail at same time, thus the stall (won't even mentioned the left engine was at idle while right had power)

[@timmholzhauer3342]

Glad it all came out ok!! Thanks for sharing!!

[@SableKlause]

OMW! I live in Mossel Bay (where this happened) and have actually done my static line course with two jumps at this same skydiving school. My friend who jumped with me, had to deploy his reserve on his very first jump (his own fault though). It was intense!

[@LosBerkos]

A guy on my course had to pull reserve on his first jump also, I was watching on the ground having just done my first jump. It was a round reserve chute that we had not been trained on, and he drifted into a tree in a neighbouring house's back yard. For some reason he got right back up there the next day but it changed my mind about the whole thing and I quit after only a few more jumps and I'm very glad I did. The extreme boozing at the club didn't help in making me want to stay either.

[@zilliq]

Out of curiosity what did he do wrong to have to use the reserve?

[@lorenzosavino3753]

Skydivers: Jump Plane: I'm gonna end this men whole careers Cameraman: TENET

[@joabgomes884]

Skydiver: I will not jump today. Pilot: Oh, you will!

[@tsbrownie]

I know of drop pilots that will play a game with jumpers to see who can land first. Radical maneuvers are part of it. Of course doing such things in a plane not rated for it is a good way to get fired / lose your license, so it would only happen "accidentially". One guy starved his plane of gas by slipping hard, and crashed short of the runway when his engine quit at a bad time. Another over stressed the frame and lost the windscreen.

[@jmhyankee87]

Lost the windscreen?!? Holy smokes..

[@rjhornsby]

“doing such things in a plane not [categorized for acrobatics] is good way to” … bend the airplane, wreck the engine, rip off a wing, throw a skydiver into an engine. Basically it’s stupid, and only a matter of time before that pilot kills people. Over stressing the airframe pulling those stunts - you might just get away with it until someone else is flying the a/c like a normal person - and the thing you broke finally gives way in flight - jamming an aileron, falling off, etc.

[@oldmech619]

@@rjhornsby First big mistake the pilot made was pulling back on the power on the left engine so as not to hit the diver with prop wash. Second the pilot tried to Maintain Altitude with Only is Right Engine at Max Power. No reason for that power. Just throttle back both engines and just let the plane glide for a couple hundred feet loss in altitude. Bad Pilot procedure

[@Rmaia3d]

@@oldmech619 Exactly! All the while probably holding a good amount of right rudder to counter the asymmetric thrust and added drag of the skydivers hanging on the left side of the plane. Nose pitched up, flaps deployed, low speed. That’s just almost a textbook stall spin entry…. Luckily he had plenty of altitude to recover from. Must’ve been quite scary though, specially after the second and third spins while attempting to recover.

[@oldmech619]

@@Rmaia3d Back in 1964 in Michigan, I was to ride in a new Twin Comanche but missed that ride. Later that day my flight instructor put the plane into a single engine stall. Spun the aircraft into the ground. Lost three pilots that day. Asymmetric thrust kills more pilots practicing engine out than get killed in real engine failures. btw, that was only 3 pilots in have known to have died. There were 18 more that I knew. I Love Flying, but you got to keep your brain engaged. Fortunately I only crashed* once, and had two more accidents. *Landed on the hood of car that was driving down the road while the driver was minding her on business.

[@antondichtl6557]

Excellent camera work in a life threatening situation.

[@justsomeguyinnc473]

As the aircraft dives away past the skydivers, you can see where somebody drops their wallet :P Totally surreal footage, 10/10 for the camera person. And what a beautiful plane...

[@wizzotizzo]

damn

[@patrickkelley6780]

I woulda dropped more than my wallet....!

[@AhHereWeGo]

I think that’s a turd flying out of his pants

[@notsoblackandwhite9064]

Time stamp?

[@tommurray5156]

I thought that was a part falling off the plane!

[@giespel68]

March 1997, first weekend of a brand new Cessna caravan at my dz. Same thing happened. Ended up wrapped around the stabilizer. Most memorable moment in my skydiving career

[@reflexxtr]

Amazing video. what conclusions explained the cause of the aircraft stalling?

[@jackpast]

Great to read that everyone was ok. Just another remarkable video that cements my conviction that I’m sticking with commercial aviation.

[@davedave5457]

what like fly on a boeing??? lol

[@frederalbacon]

Asymmetrical stall caused by decreased air over the wing from flaps and bringing the left engine back during the jump, combined with increased drag and blocked airflow over the elevator on that side of the aircraft from all the people outside. You see the wing start to go ever so slightly just as the last person pushed their way out of the door. A second later, the jump starts, and the drag is decreasing, but the damage is already done, he's doesn't have enough lift on the wing, and he's tumbling. The pilot had to balance between getting control, because in a spin and stall recovery you're looking at forces on the aircraft that could rip a wing off, and avoiding immediately becoming a wrecking ball for the people who had just jumped. It's an unmitigated miracle that the pilot and the jumpers both managed to keep enough control to avoid hitting each other.

[@jonathancamp7190]

I think that it was a deliberate maneuver gone wrong. The pilot wanted to spin and recover, after a half-rotation, into a verticle dive as is commonly done in this sport. Plane and simple, he screwed up the maneuver. It was even a poor recovery.

[@Valansch]

@@jonathancamp7190 What an unqualified comment. This was clearly a stall.

[@jonathancamp7190]

@@Valansch I'm an instrument-rated private pilot with 250+ hours PIC time, and I've made 108-sport skydives. You?

[@Nunyabizn3ss]

@@jonathancamp7190 I’m an instrument playing pig flying skydiving Pope, and have made 108-unqualified statements. You?

[@Sugarsail1]

@@Valansch really? Did you see the air flow detach from the upper side of the airfoil? NO, it was deliberate.

[@JamesLydon1]

You had me TWEAKIN until I realized y'all reversed that footage for a second

[@aaronpederson6840]

I have never seen a King Air spin…. Until now. I suspect the pilot needed to change his shorts after that. Can’t say I’ve flown the King Air myself, but they look to be pretty unforgiving if you spin it.

[@epatrickfrancke7196]

From a friend of mine: That is not just a stall. It is a spin entry. I have a lot of time in King Airs. They are lucky they were able to recover from the spin. A friend used to own a Beech 18 and in a similar maneuver the plane did not recover, killing the pilot. One technique practiced by jump pilots is to slow the airplane down to minimum speed (Note the flaps are down) and put the engine on that side into minimum thrust, usually by using idle power. Thiis results in increased drag on that side. A twin engine aircraft has something calle Vmc, the minimum controllable airspeed with one engine at idle. Below this speed the powered engine produces directional thrust that cannot be overcome by the aircraft design (i.e. vertical stabilizer). That is what happened in this case. The change in drag, center of gravity and gross weight caused the loss of control.

[@The_Touring_Jedi]

Yes but even at this altitude and no engine this twin could be recovered if procedure followed? I mean 16k should be enough for safely recovery?

[@gulfstream7235]

@@The_Touring_Jedi Only test pilots are meant to spin certain light twin engine aircraft for certification purposes only. There are procedures for inadvertent spin entry recovery but would only be practised in Simulator training during type rating/renewal.

[@chrislee176]

I've only trained in a C152, but should't engines-neutral, nose-down (if necessary to recover laminar flow), 'step on the ball' (ie, opposing runner), pretty quickly rectify the stall-spin?

[@pschroeter1]

I'm astounded to find out that after all this these guys still decided to do their formation work.

[@bigblue207]

Lol well they were planning to get out of the plane anyway, and they sure as hell weren't gonna pull high and have a long ride down, so why not try to get your money's worth? Better than wandering aimlessly for 40 seconds and I'm sure once they saw the plane recover they were a bit shaken but not too bad. Good way to take your mind off the situation and get ahold of your nerves, plus you keep track of where everyone else is in the sky so you're not pulling directly under someone.

[@medajim9092]

probably wanted to get close to check up on each other.

[@carllafrance5510]

The jump coordinator was so worried about the formation he never signaled the jump until everyone was out side of the planand he wanted them to all jump together it too to long for everyone to get out the plane was on the stall bubble when the first guy went out the door Had they single filed like the military it would have never happened

[@RoleplayBackstage]

Hi, do you have the rights to the video? Can I use a snippet of the video on my youutube channel? I promise that I leave the link to your channel in the description of the video.

[@DaveDott]

The ground is your best friend give it a hug right now

[@sevenaries]

Sometimes I forgot just how beautiful the sky is

[@hortenseweinblatt1508]

All this, "There, there, it wasn't so bad" tut-tutting is missing the fact that it's only by luck that some divers were not chopped in half by the plane as it staggered all around the sky, 0:40 to 0:47 .

[@xenockz]

Luck? I think you mean pilot skill.

[@LosBerkos]

@@xenockz I think you mean pilot x-ray vision?

[@xenockz]

@@LosBerkos Oh yeah, right, because object permanence isn't a thing

[@loddude5706]

Nice filming Bernard, top job.

[@drfill9210]

After reading the characteristics of the plane, I'm doubly impressed the pilot was able to recover from the spin. After the stall, the plane was uncontrollable. People weren't hurt just because they were lucky.

Tá, eu já sei que você veio pelo Lito!

[@17y.]

Ae outro BR, o 3°

[@suzukirider9030]

It looks like the pilot started spin recovery, but then realized he's amidst skydivers (perhaps saw them from the cockpit while spinning) and so went BACK into a dive to get away from them all and THEN recover to level flight again... But that's the most tumbling I've ever seen any aircraft do...

[@BlackJet576]

Agreed.

[@FranktheDachshund]

No

[@The_Touring_Jedi]

He did right rudder but yes probably noticed divers and then let it to dive some more trimming nose little bit up...this was pretty scary anyway.

[@PRH123]

After stopping the spin with rudder it's standard to dive to gain airspeed... I'm sure he was not seeing and not thinking about the skydivers at that moment and was focused only on the spin recovery, too much going on and too little time to think about anything else....

[@BostonBuzz]

Nice job keeping the plane in frame!!

[@TheFoyer13]

It's really amazing that aircraft didn't just come apart. What well built piece of machinery.

[@WabbitWay]

"shit in pants," no matter how many hours you have in a turbine twin

[@studlyhungwell5740]

A clean pair of underware were requested upon arrival.

[@currentfaves65]

What came off the aircraft at 1:40 ?

[@TexasHarleyBoy65]

That pilot has phenomenal skills! Not only can he recover from a stall, he actually knows how to fly aircraft, while backing up! Move over Sully!!!

[@louisvanrijn3964]

It would be nice to calculate the cg of the aircraft with 6 paras at that position outside AND the others inside near the door, BEFORE the flight. I did not see a number of that sort in any of the comments... probably you will have figured it out by now. Remind furter that not only the cg position is important , the polair inertia of the aircraft around the top-axis (kg.m2) is also an important factor in spin recovery.

[@Variety_Pack]

There was an image breaking down the loss of leverage in yaw, showing the cg moving aft. There were some numbers but the picture does most of the telling.

[@Vulcancruiser]

At 16,000ft you should be in good shape for a recovery. Have to admit that looks a bit hairy at first.

[@jdmbeats]

This is the coolest video I've seen in a while, just awesome!

[@ianclark9502]

This is a spin as well; a stall alone isn't nearly that dramatic. Amazing video and lucky skydivers to not be hit during the first spin recovery attempt.

[@JackCarregan]

Imagine the stress of that Pilot Trying to recover from a Stall while also not hitting any of the 10 people who just left the plane. 100/10 piloting skills.

[@Knohltorious]

At 0:53 and 1:40 is another jumper coming out of the plane at that point... Either voluntarily or involuntary?

[@GuyFromSC]

At 0:53 was that another jumper coming out last? 🙏🏼

[@pplusbthrust]

The very first time I've seen jumping out of a perfectible good aircraft was justified.

[@timothylegg]

There was that mid air collision in North America a few years ago. A plane lost a wing and the pilot had to join up with a jumper

[@pplusbthrust]

Hang on tight, - - OK, on three, 1-2-3- Jerónimo !

[@pplusbthrust]

Hang on tight, - - OK, on three, 1-2-3- Jerónimo !

[@dotancohen]

@@timothylegg What incident was that? I'd love to read it. Thanks.

[@MB-garage]

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[@seBosGaming]

My guess for the cause of the stall would be the fact that there was a bunch of bodies on the outside of the plane disrupting the smooth stream of air going over the elevator and throwing the CG out of place

[@spencerstreeter6535]

Does anyone know what the black dot is that leaves the plane on it's recovery show at time index 0:52 - 0:56 and again at 1:39? It has to be something.

[@jackhydrazine1376]

Would love to see an quick interview with the pilot afterwards about this stall situation.

[@seanjoseph8637]

What fell out of or off the aircraft? 0:52

[@stephenauty2402]

That's what I was going to ask. Looks like another person or maybe a bag.

[@onebadapple83]

Looks to me that right after the initial “moment of terror” like halfway through the first of a two turn spin….the pilot kept it in a dive then veered to the left AWAY from the divers THEN initiated the spin recovery. I am not on the level as this/these pilot/pilots, but have been in a couple of unexpected spins and NOT in training. The Pilot/s are well trained and experienced!!!

[@DIZEMANPHOTO]

Turning BASE at 300 ft, AGL this would be a "moment of terror." At 14,000 feet... not so much. It's always worse for passengers than for the pilots. When I was 18, my photographic mentor owned a Cessna 150 Aerobat and asked if I had ever flown in a small plane? Nope! He took me to Delmar, DE Airport where his friend John Sturgis took me flying. At about 4,500 feet AGL, John decided to show me a power off stall. Without warning he cut the power and pulled the yoke back to his chest and I was forced down into my seat, then... the plane stalled and fell backward out of the sky as he continued to hold the yoke to his chest. Then he pushed the nose over and we went into what I know today as an exaggerated wing-level dive to build up airspeed. His goal was to generate as much G-Force as he could, before leveling out. At the bottom of the dive when he finally pulled the nose up I was not enjoying my "moment of terror." Once we were level and back in cruise attitude John said, "Well, what do you think?" I responded, "I think if you do that again John, I am going to have to land this plane, because I am going to knock you the hell out!" I've not allowed myself to get in a stall situation without plenty of altitude to recover since then. That was 1973. I got my PPSEL in 1976 after moving to Las Vegas. I've had ANXIOUS moments, but so far, no more "moments of terror." I suspect the pilot was VERY ANXIOUS when he realized he had stalled and entered a spin in a column of skydivers. Likely a "moment of terror" for others in the plane.

[@fifiminogue1735]

Skilled pilot - agreed....Nice recovery!! If any passengers were still on board, they need new shorts. FYI ....pilots must recover from the spin first in order to regain aerodynamic authority (specifically: reduce the angle of attack) - then they can turn away from the jumpers. Looks & sounded like the camera jumper out first “may” have bumped/disturbed the horizontal stabilizer.....& given the craft was already at a high angle of attack / slow flight (to accommodate the jumpers exiting the aircraft) - would not surprise me if that bump caused the critical angle of attack to be exceeded. (Watch again if you need to ....just after all are positioned outside & about to jump off - camera guy bumps something) Also possibly the fulcrum of jumpers upset the critical balance during this period of the flight (again, slow flying to accommodate jumpers as they exit the craft). Regardless of how often it’s done ‘the same way / no issues’ - this might have been that one time Murphy’s Law took over. Again - glad for the pilot not giving up / exercising command of the situation 👍✈️👏😎

[@onebadapple83]

@@fifiminogue1735 👍

[@djmips]

​@@fifiminogue1735​ the description clearly states there were skydivers remaining in the aircraft.

[@onebadapple83]

@@fifiminogue1735 Also, as soon as the spin is stopped, be it like a lawn dart, inverted or at 90° to the horizon, the aircraft is under control!!!

[@markrussell.]

This is in the top 3 videos that I have ever seen on YT...WOW

[@BlackPanther-lx9we]

Outstanding coverage... Outstanding pilot...!! Even after stalling of engine...he recovered like an artist...!!! 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼🙏🙏🙏❤️❤️ Love from India❤️🇮🇳

[@jefftheriault5522]

It's the wing that stalls. In most cases, one wing stalls before the other, this being a case in point. Contributing to the stall... low airspeed... altitude...the clump of skydivers at the door (too much weight aft of the center of gravity of the aircraft.)

[@flyingdollar2122]

Looks to me that the left prop was feathered to reduce wash over divers, creating asymmetrical thrust. When divers positioned themselves on the exterior of the plane, they worsened the situation by adding asymmetrical drag, preventing airflow over the horizontal stabilizer, and moving the center of gravity aft as they grasped the rail and eased themselves toward the empennage.

[@Stillh20]

You read the pilots comments, right? I guess worth repeating.

[@pilatus421]

Prop is not feathered, just looks slower because of the frame rates in the video. It's called the wagon wheel effect.

[@The-Dom]

incorrect. You can see the right engine stalls completely right before the hard left roll.

[@christianbuczko1481]

@Geoff Rowley Superstar did any of you lot actually read that description at the end?? It was an aircraft going slow, which then had a huge amount of drag and weight put on one side causing the wing to stall. The aircraft was going too slow for what they were doing most likely..

[@johnniethepom2905]

@@pilatus421 Strobiscopic effect .

[@ccrpalex2456]

The most amazing thing to me was these guys just went into formation like nothing happened. Formations I'm on turn into zoo dives when plane doesn't stall and almost kills bunch of us.

[@Joellercoaster]

At least one person looked like they were wearing (current? former?) SA formation skydiving team gear, so it was hopefully a fairly well organized group.

[@joshgarver1197]

That is so they can count their people and make sure everyone made it out of the plane.

[@FLY2KO]

been there done that, I got great video of a CASA stall that Paul Fayerd was flying at SGC, watching/filming the ppl float out the back as the plane is nose down almost upside down was to cool...

[@adamchurvis1]

What was that black object that fell off the plane at 0:52? Look to the left of the wing; it's very tiny.

[@jonasduvaldearaujo7463]

vim através do canal aviões e músicas. ainda bem q tudo deu certo. parabéns ao piloto!

[@motorpotente]

Eu também, O Lito é foda

[@jonasduvaldearaujo7463]

@@motorpotente vdd

[@U2EdgeFan]

That's an amazing scene. They were all very lucky too, as they could easily have been hit by the aircraft.

[@deletdis6173]

@Bercilak de hautdesert I was thinking the same thing

[@miguelquiroz1550]

You guys are lucky that that plane didn't come back to you and slide you in pieces .... you guys induced that stall and spin.. Lesson to be learn here. Really good video...!

[@TheOneTrueSpLiT]

What happened to the C90 and its pilot?

[@robertfleming6470]

That is one scary video. Thank God everything turned out alright.

[@johnshackleton323]

Very well done to the pilot for the recovery, and very well done to the skydiver who filmed the event. Lovely video of a truly hair-raising event.

[@extraace]

He was pulling up elevator for half the video. Not sure I'd say well done for the pilot.

[@PilotLifeSven]

Initial recovery reaction was wrong... As soon as you go into a spin, you should keep ailerons neutral. By pushing the stick or yoke in the opposite direction, you increase the angle of attack of the stalled wing, stalling it even further... Correct reaction should be to keep ailerons neutral and apply opposite rudder (right in this case)

[@64citycanal]

what is coming out of the airplane at 1:40 ? (a black dot)

[@bush-b5330]

How hard is it to get out of the stall at this altitude?

[@ScoutSniper3124]

Asymmetric Stall, which caused an uncommanded roll to the left, initiating a spin. Luckily the Pilot had the presence of mind to keep the nose down and provide clearance between his aircraft the groups of Skydivers before he open to pull out of the dive. WELL DONE Sir!

[@The_Touring_Jedi]

He had that rudder on right than straightened and it seems he pulled up to to get even more away from them...looks at least so. Then there was again a stall and recovery as soon speed went up...correct?

[@PRH123]

He was totally focussed on recovering from the stall and had no time to think about people outside. It's standard stall recovery procedure that after stopping the spin with rudder, you dive to regain airspeed. He actually pulled up too soon and experienced a repeat accelerated stall. He wasn't thinking about maintaining distance from the skydivers.

[@PJHEATERMAN]

10 kts above MCA would be a good idea.

[@TechInspected]

Glad everyone is ok and what a surprisingly professional crew and reports. But on the lighter side it looked like the plane wanted to do some skydiving of its own.

[@scottysmediaproductions]

Out of curiosity, isn't jumping like this where you can't see the ground not allowed/illegal?

[@jetson_]

Read an article that stated "Investigators were puzzled because the weight of the divers was calculated correctly and the pilot took all precautions to make sure he had enough speed to prevent a stall. But while calculating the weight of the passengers and fuel they missed an almost fatal calculation.... The weight of the pilots balls."

[@patrickbaker2802]

jump birds are usually slowed down to 120 or a bit less on jump run, some planes are a little cranky at that speed. Behold King air with an attitude

[@tomasgarza1249]

At 1:40 You can see a skydiver that was inside the plane freaking out and jumping out xD

[@TrainerCTZ]

Strong airframe to endure those forces. Nice tail inputs by pilot.

[@jeffreyhillhouse7155]

This is why I only skydive from jets.

[@flexairz]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@timothylegg]

You do know that there is a B-727 in California that does that, don't you? You too can pull a DB Cooper and check out of the flight by jumping the aft airstair.

[@johndemerse9172]

The pilot was asking for trouble when he created that asymmetrical thrust situation.

[@flexairz]

No, it was the sudden change in weight and balance when 6 or 7 jumpers cleared the aircraft.

[@johndemerse9172]

@@flexairz Not at all.

[@StratMatt777]

Bells and whistles should be going off in the pilot's head when he sets the airplane up in the exact same way you set the airplane up during multi-engine training to demonstrate a simulated loss of directional control (Vmc "demo") for the checkride practical test. Even more so when operating at a high density altitude with 20 people on board. .... Relieved that none of the jumpers got hit.

[@dave-bourse]

Amazing footage and great recovery. At @0.53 an object comes out of the aircraft, do have info on that?

[@MB-garage]

a skydiver jump off the airplane

[@AlexisaswomGaming]

The plane really said “hold up guys I want to come too”

[@davestopforth]

My understanding of CoG, CoD and fluid flow dynamics comes mostly from cars, so I'm amazed to see something like this in the aero industry. I'm guessing the left side motor was trimmed to make life easier for the jumper and a fair bit of right hand rudder was applied too. This is sheer operator error, there shouldn't have been so many people out there at once. Lesson learnt, don't do it again I guess. A+ for catching it though!

[@28ebdh3udnav]

The final report came out that the plane was overloaded in the rear and the center of gravity moved back which caused the plane to go into a stall

[@dwood5252]

Question: would the remaining passengers have felt any weightlessness during the dramatic, sudden descent?

[@Im_George]

That's one heck of a pilot. Stalled, picked them all up, then stalled again

[@daveshondel5108]

I showed this to my great grandfather! he is 93 years old. He was totally dumbfounded. I explained to him this is a new low cost airline and no seat is guaranteed and when the flight is overbooked this is what you have to do! Immediately he said these are damn fools if they want to get somewhere that bad, they should get a mule or walk. 👍

[@chrisg4145]

So if I read this correctly there must have some skydivers left inside. Doubt they were strapped in. They must have been thrown all over the inside of the plane.

[@timothylegg]

I hope their clothes were well dried by the time they landed

[@jcims]

You can see one spit out the side right before he gets level again.

[@PRH123]

9 were still inside. They have straps and whatnot to hold onto inside the plane, but yes they were surely thrown all over.

[@wayne1516]

What is the next step of your master plan? Bane:

[@micah6635]

I just thought that was one dope ass pilot until I read the description

[@joelbyrd7958]

Amazing video but I can't help wondering if this was staged, looks like something Travis pastrana could do

[@peabody3000]

your comment is amazing but you probably staged it