Too Good To Be True?? Testing Lossless Scaling in MSFS 2020

[@pixelfps24]

Recently bought this application… really did help my frames by a ton since I’m bottlenecked on by my 3050Ti. Great video btw!

[@speedbird17H]

what setting did you use?

[@sens_120ms]

In this age of the microsoft flight simulator franchise, it is great to hear your bottleneck is the GPU and not the CPU, u must have AMD's unreleased CPU from 2026 or smth

[@nielsdelange3602]

@@sens_120msI don’t have a cpu bottleneck with my intel 14700k and rx7900xt.

[@emel69]

Ain't no way you have a 3050 TI. Brother, please for your sake save up for a good GPU, like in the 40 series. A 4070 or something. A 3050 let alone 3050 TI will not cut it.

[@pixelfps24]

@@emel69 ahh well I am doing so rn😭 I waiting to save enough on an 4070.. until then LS does a pretty neat job on my frame gen

[@fs-max]

Picked this up on discount and since then with a 4060ti and 5600x I've not had to worry about fps at all when using payware aircraft/scenery combos. Pretty brilliant software!

[@regwatson2017]

Seeing how Lossless Scaling is all done in software you know that NVidia could have easily provided this sort of frame generation FPS boost for it's 3000 series users - they just didn't want to because it would have hurt 4000 series sales. NVidia must be pissed - we have it now and all for a Fiver 🤣. It's like getting a 4000 card for free. Thanks for the great review.

[@ChrisM541]

Another excellent upload. Subbed. It's interesting they called this 'Lossless Scaling' considering the 'Lossless' concept is pretty much always applied to compression, where here, it means uncompressing a file returns you back to the original raw/uncompressed file...with zero loss of data. As for your 60Hz monitor, 120Hz (and higher) is relatively cheap today. I have a 120Hz monitor and, going from my previous 60Hz was night and day. Remember, it's not just gaming this impacts - the desktop experience is greatly improved. For gaming, providing the game engine (your PC) can push higher fps, then the 'smoothness' of motion is also greatly improved. We're not just talking MSFS 2020/24 of course. However, with these 'frame generator' features, it might be worth looking at a higher Hz monitor even for flight sim.

[@ths794]

Either set tearing or max frame latency 2 when there is a chance that generated framerate will go above refresh rate. Otherwise you block LS from presenting all the needed frames and framepacing will be broken (skipped frames, fast forwarding etc). -dev

[@AdamJB]

I'm struggling with this, when I move about it gives a strange artifact/shimmer on everything, it definitely looks better but even looking around the flight deck gives of a trailing edge on it

[@docholliday1811]

Well, you convinced me this is really worth the coin. So I will give it a shot. Thank you for a great video.

[@bootstrapflyer]

This software is a godsend on my aging system. Some areas are reaching over 100 fps on the 165 htz monitor. Have been able to increase my visuals, and for the price, incredible!

[@TheCirrusflyer]

Great review! Explained it to me clearly and answered a few questions I had. over 100 FPS from MSFS is amazing.......

[@Paul-T]

If only it did its magic for VR. :(

[@richardyordy8281]

Does it not???

[@dingbat19]

the latest version I think has a check box for "VR mode" so give the latest version a go ?

[@PierceGibbss]

@@dingbat19 cant find it, where exactly?

[@gofres_8540]

I was going to ask the same question since a friend of mine recently got vr running on a 3080 playing DCS and it's really struggling.

[@richardyordy8281]

@@gofres_8540 dcs is just dog ass in general. Ive got msfs running pretty decent on my rig now. never could say the same for dcs

[@BoganSimGamer]

Great vid, this literally transformed my game. Love your stuff

[@AirNOTT]

Thank you!!

[@Vv-gk4cu]

I don't know what I'm doing wrong but when I press scaling, my mouse disappears and the Sim just freezes. Highly disappointed that I can't get it to run on my system.

[@azrgaming4391]

Same here

[@Elnino19701]

Same here. Don't understand why..

[@pooksthepossum]

*palm to face* you guys need to have your game in windowed mode or full screen BORDERLESS. Cheers.

[@regwatson2017]

The question I have is how do we know you are definitely getting 60fps/120 fps with lossless scaling ? Is there any other way to verify the frame rate other than the counter in the App itself ?

[@juancho420]

I tried this and it destroyed my FPS. I have an older 35" Gsync widescreen with a 3080. I had to reset my driver settings to get back to 40-60 fps

[@Evulnation]

for some reason it just doesn't seem to provide got visuals for me. Causes massive tearing on my 60hz monitor. I've tried all the settings, capped things etc but just cannot get the tearing to stop.

[@DipshankarDas]

Hey, thanks for sharing info about this app. Seems pretty good for old graphics cards. By the way, could you please tell me how you got all the apps in the library of NNvidia app. My Nvidia app only shows VLC, OBS & Lightroom Classic.

[@AirNOTT]

I just have those games installed and the app shows them

[@DipshankarDas]

@@AirNOTT Wow, that's nice. May be something is wrong, I need to check.

[@patrickbrooks9567]

been having a problem with the app. it completely crashes my pc to a powered down state after running for a minute or so. no idea what's happening. looks absolutely great for that minute though. lol

[@LumpiDeluxe]

On my 3080 Ti, for example, you can visually see changes to the rotor blades with this program, but the FPS does not increase at all. I also tried the FrameGen mod, which actually increases the FPS, but the frame generation is not good.

[@ahmadjmms]

You need to be in windowed or borderless screen. Plus if you are using a third party application, most likely it will not show the gained fps

[@excessivelysalty_81]

It works better than I thought it would, definitely worth the $7 USD.

[@rsilvers129]

That wildly depends on your GPU, but since you didn't say what your GPU is, there is nothing actionable about your recommendation.

[@DaveNicoll-p3l]

I'm a little confused...on your numbers in the top left corner you have (approx) 30/60 with the left one fluctuating...On my system I have 60/60 and the left figure never fluctuates...am I missing something?

[@johnboy8846]

Panning around in the cockpit isn't really the test of smooth flight. I wish you guys would show the scenary passing by the aircraft i.e. Through passenger window view on final approach and landing. This is where it becomes jerky even with 60 plus FPS. Perhaps you could test that. Also im not sure why your FPS counter is green at 30 and above normally its green above 60

[@stevemartis97]

It actually is because DLSS messes up the cockpit visuals when you look around.

[@TheViralNarrative]

My lossless scaling is having issues. My lossless scaling app just refuses to work. It freezes my monitor. But I can see what's happening on the preview in the Taskbar. Can anyone help me? MSFS2020 keeps me mentally stable. Without it idk know what I can do.

[@mancsi-wo1xc]

there is a new free alternative for amd 6000 and 7000 series gpu users which lets you use frame gen in any game, afm2 is the name and it's in the new preview driver

[@fabiobertelli]

I hope AFMF2 be supported in MFS because is really hard to get more than 25 fps in big airports

[@miguelroberto7651]

@@fabiobertelli Not any game, it only works on games that have the support for it, for now and with the new update coming: LossLess is 100% better Also, Lossless gives between 25 to 33ms most of the time, the other one gives 100+

[@torgamik2774]

Hello Why does it change my colors when activated ?

[@RIdersfan232]

Is the Nvidia frame generation the one that is within the sim or an external app? Really good comparison video ❤

[@Tonny0909]

I have black screen when using this. On win10 it worked but now when I swithed on Win11 it's not working anymore.

[@StevesSimStation]

Im going to have to give this a try since I have a 3080ti.... Least till I can get my hands on a 4070ti or 4080. This could help a ton with my cinematics that Ive started doing.

[@anomalousresult]

What gains do you expect from a 4070ti over a 3080ti? I wouldn't have thought that would be worth the cost of upgrade and better to wait a year for the 50xx equivalent?

[@chrorokimsisi]

4090 its worth it

[@lopesdev]

Whats the difference between this and the freeware dll mod for fs2024?

[@gingerninja7728]

When using lossless scale should we still cap the sim in the Nvida control panel? Cheers

[@Andy.Gledhill.Models.]

Well, for the sake of the £5.89 that I paid for this tool. Its a game changer for me. I only have a RTX 3060 graphics card, with a Ryzen 9 5950X CPU and 32GB ram. But my monitor is a Samsung Curved 32" one at 3440 x 1440 resolution that runs at 100mhz. So, I will take every extra frame I can get lol. The latest version of lossless scaling now has LSFG 2.3 and up to X4 frames. I tried the default Heathrow with the default Airbus A320 and FSLTL up and running. With scaling turned off, I was barely getting above 16FPS on take off from the cockpit view. With 4x scaling turned on, I was suddenly getting FPS in the range of 45 to 70, and it still looked very smooth. I am experimenting with different graphics settings in the sim. But, I must say that I think this was the best £5.89 that I have spent on my PC lol.

[@CentralFloridaHipHop]

This is some voodoo magic. went from 20fps to 60fps in 1 click. Hope we all didn't sell our souls to the great duck to have this magic Lol

[@sheridansay8667]

How the heck do you lock MSFS to 30 FPS? I have the nvidia app to force 60 fps but can't lock MSFS.

[@AviationGamingINC.]

Do you think a MSI Cybrog laptop would be good for MSFS or not?

[@AirNOTT]

I would personally avoid gaming laptops.

[@AviationGamingINC.]

@@AirNOTT oh ok

[@wild_cumulus_cloud]

Do you get ghosting engine running textures with any of these methods?

[@westcastlemodelrailway8190]

Thanks for the review … very informative and thought provoking about MSFS settingS! My RTX 2060 Super graphics card has been running MSFS (via PC Gamepass) flawlessly (or so I thought) for the last couple of years, using DX12 and DLSS super scaling. When the Microsoft servers went down recently , noticed the Deluxe base game was half price, so cancelled and uninstalled Game-pass version of MSFS, and brought MSFS outright in the MS Store. It reinstalled under a couple of hours, and has re set the default graphics to TAA .. and the graphic quality is now out of this world! Think the other big thing that made the game run smoother and load quicker is not installing all the handcrafted airports I have picked up over the years. (Just install the ones I need per flight!) Loathed to touch any MSFS / PC settings while the game is running and looking so good, but might dust off my Oculus Rift headset out the cupboard and purchase this software to see if it improves the game in VR. Would be interesting to know if anyone has tried the software in VR?

[@AirNOTT]

TAA and frame gen is the sweet spot I’ve settled on. Sadly DLSS super resolution caused the displays (PFD, ND etc) to appear quite blurry. As far as I’m aware, this app isn’t compatible with VR at this time.

[@TeezyThaKidd]

any implications if you’ve done the “unofficial” frame-gen mod for a 30-series card?

[@feraaz.9901]

I am using the frame gen mod now on my 3070ti but when i get this do i need to just deleted frame gen mod and go dx11?

[@Jordy6090]

no, you can use both

[@t27424377]

How does it work with tobii eye tracker? And issues?

[@gil1865]

for some reason it doesn't work for me because everytime i start scaling my fps drops a lot and i can't use my sim properly anymore.

[@jameswaters3939]

The FPS counter shows 2 values. One is the "regular" fps and the other is the Lossless scaling's increase by 3X (*I have an AMD system). The sim Flies very well and allows for higher graphics settings with greater fps. I use Reshade for effects and use it's FPS counter which is exact to what Lossless Scaling's regular value is showing. Lossless scaling however is lost in replay of FSRecorder and basically doesn't work with any screen capture. So, if you want to take a screen capture of a flight, record it and then replay/capture without Lossless Scaling.

[@wild_cumulus_cloud]

I think there is a fix for it. I saw it on YT somewhere. If I remember correctly, you have to make a separate scene for LLS if you are using OBS studio. Give it a try.

[@RevNicholasJonsson]

Hi... I have a MSstore bought copy of MSFS 2020. Do I need steam to run this lossless scaling app? Or do I just need a steam account to buy the app and then run it independendantly of Steam?

[@stevewaters4158]

I also have the same question. *Update - It works with the MSstore version. Running a 3080. Artifacts are present, as described in the video (flickers, etc.)

[@Tony_P]

Once you buy LS in Steam and install it , you don't have to run it in Steam. I pinned it to my taskbar and launch it that way.

[@Rowan66109]

You need steam to install the app, but as someone else said, you don't have to run it in steam. Also, it works with any program

[@marcusmaunula5018]

Can you do another flight with SI? So we can hear how those announcements work

[@filmingle6227]

This must come with a cost of high cpu intensity right? Pls reply if you know thanks

[@yams900]

Good option for many users...I'm with AMD, must check if this software is compatible

[@LukaHoops55]

All I get from the app is stutters :/

[@raidends123]

Refund it. I tried it today and Its not even worth it anyways, latency is so bad.

[@LukaHoops55]

@@raidends123 yeah, I’ll keep it if it gets better, it’s only 5 bucks anyways

[@raidends123]

@@LukaHoops55 it wont get better because tech like this has Its limitations, you cant make a fake frame and turn it into real one, especially since this app is not implimented inside gađes where it works with different data and is trained for that specific game, this is garbage that made people waste money on it and probably isnt even usable in real scenarios.

[@imellor711]

For me LLS didn't increase fps on a RTX3070 with 8gb vram, running on a 1340 x 1440 wide screen display, not by.that much, not over what I can get by simply using the latest DLSS frame gen. LLS did upscale MSFS to aliow me with 6 - 10 additional FPS. But not a huge leave at my 2k or 1440 resolution. Might work better with 1080p GPUs.

[@matthewmcgrath3905]

has this to be used instead of DLSS or can they both be used?

[@FluffyDuckYT]

For me, lossless scalling always stutters msfs

[@enriqueosuna]

Disable you NVidia Overlay option

[@FluffyDuckYT]

@@enriqueosuna thanks, I'll try that

[@Csyflo]

@@FluffyDuckYT Did it work?

[@FluffyDuckYT]

@@Csyflo it somewhat helped, but not fully :)

[@lights0030]

@@FluffyDuckYT do you use lossless scaling with the framegen mod ? Because it does causes stutters when both are enabled for me.

[@knivesout33]

Will this improve the VR fps experience? Also, can this be used along with AutoFPS?

[@evan5848]

Do you have vsync on?

[@flywithlado]

How are you able to record when scaling ? My recording is black. That is the only reason why I do t use it as much, it still a great tool to fly in heavy airports with a 3070ti.

[@AirNOTT]

I have a dedicated streaming / recording pc

[@jtinsidemk2961]

were can i download the app to use nvidia upscalling? i dont find the download on their website

[@Izmael1310]

What would you use in the LS app when you would have my settings? In game having on average 25-30 fps at 2K with 2070 super. DX 11 (DX12 causes stutter). I have 144 Hz monitor and using the ingame setting for 1/3 refresh rate. So the highest fps output I can get is about 48 in the menus :) thank you.

[@chadwicki]

Makes my screen over exposed ..... im I missing something?

[@mughug9616]

Works great on my RX 6800XT and virtually all my games. While not perfect, it is a real bargain for what it does right. Imagine if it was free, we would still have people complaining about it. :(

[@llVoidZ]

My lossless scaling crashes my whole system and then my pc force shuts down instantly :/

[@miketango507]

how come i dont get a single frame extra? i feel i wasted my money

[@TheOneTrueSpLiT]

Great video, I've had Lossless Scaling in my Steam cart for a while now but didn't think there was any point in buying it as I'm using a 4070. What tool/overlay are you using to capture your stats (FPS, GPU, CPU, LAT) in the top left corner when you test nVidia Frame Generation?

[@AirNOTT]

That’s the nvidia performance overlay. Comes with the nvidia app

[@TheOneTrueSpLiT]

@@AirNOTT I've only just moved onto the nVidia App, I haven't come across that bit yet, still trying to work out how to change driver settings as we did in nVidia Control Panel.

[@DonnyDarko5]

For the stuttering at 4:15 you can try increasing Anti Aliasing in the sim to 8x or probably 16x and it should help but it can come at cost of a few frames so just do trial and error to see which one fits you.

[@ignuserasmus3453]

Im on a RTX 2070, but it seems to create more stutters using Lossless scaling. Is anyone else also experiencing this?

[@LB8KG]

Same here... Tried alot

[@Bebecazancioc24]

Hello, i am stumbling upon an "bug" i tend to call it but i am sure it's only me, i installed the app and did your settings and upon "Scaling" the game with the frame gen it comes with a strange sharpen effect with some increase in brightness, not that big but noticeable. What should i do ?

[@zeronoshoten4300]

It works as advertised, but it won't let me move the cursor over to my other monitor...is that what it's supposed to do?

[@Izmael1310]

I think it works on 1 monitor only right now. Multi monitor not supported.

[@barneywalker6062]

So with Lossless Scaling say now i am around 45-50FPS on high settings, If i use this can i say get 45-50FPS but improve my graphics settings?

[@BigCroz23]

I bought this application aswell and to my surprise I was getting over 120fps on average on ultra setttings. I used to get around 60 with A LOT of stutters. Highly recommend

[@DasPenguin85]

I haven't tried LSFG 2.2 but 2.1 couldn't really handle night scenes around cities very well. The graphical glitching around KDEN arriving at night was horrendous. Seems to do well with day scenes. I assume it's probably an issue with the amount of black and all the little "islands" of lights, LSFG just can't really predict those very well.

[@televisio8652]

currently LSFG is at 2.3 and the night lighting artifacts are gone. No more vibrating lights everywhere. Now it runs as good as ever, and it does not destroy the visuals. I myself run the sim with 3x FG and it looks just as good as 2x.

[@todd92371]

AMD's Fluid Frames 2 is just amazing.

[@oldRighty1]

Can you share some system details (cpu / card / resolution) and what frame rate you are getting?

[@todd92371]

@@oldRighty1 Running amd rx6700 xt.. Ryzen processor. 360 in Rocket League.. 180 or so in Valheim... 150 in Wildlands. 150 or so in Far Cry 6. etc etc. 2k mostly ultra settings. But, usually turn down shadows to medium.

[@YT_Chroma]

GeForce 3050 with X Plane 12... 80-130 fps at medium high graphic settings! Magic!

[@pullahuru9168]

Does not work with VR

[@newgeorgexci]

This Application is a big game changer and with Fine Tuning I get with a 2060 RTX 90 FPS ❤

[@johngilliat8338]

I am also using a 2060 RTX and I'm purchasing the lossless scaling app to try. Could you share your "fine tuning" tweeks with me as I'll be new to setting this up. thank you

[@mathieuc4675]

Hi @newgeorgexci interesting, I am using a 2080 RTX so I assume the setup may be similar as yours..would you please share your parameters please? 😊

[@newgeorgexci]

@@mathieuc4675 Hello there :) with parameters you mean my whole settings? I can tell you that I am fly on Full HD, TAA, Terrain LOD both 100 and most settings I did set high, my clouds are Ultra :)

[@Boeing_NikoBellic]

Does this work with MSFS 2024?

[@STERNWAERTS]

gonna wait for the new sim and how this will perform, might add this app later on as it looks very promising! i have a 2070 and playing on a 34" 3440x1440 60hz display.

[@JohnGilliat]

I have a 2060 with a 3440x1440 display and couldn't get the lossless scaling to work 😞

[@anemos304]

Can i useit with Nvidia GTX 1050? Thank you

[@captainzeppos]

This or AMD FMF? I read that if you have a relatively recent GPU (e.g. 6800 from 2021), FMF performs better. I'm using FMF with MSFS but can't say I'm mightily impressed, because it does double fps but it also introduces lots of tearing which I can't get rid of (monitor is locked at 120hz and fps goes as high as 80 or 100 but still get tearing).

[@paulrubens3048]

showing the SAME picture TWICE is not what gamers are after when it comes to framerates.

[@RozeMarcel]

If you use this app while playing a multiplayergame, are you bannable then?

[@clinten3131]

No Lossless scaling is an overlay it does not inject into the game or the game files. So any anti cheat will not detect anything. I use it in Guild wars 2 wvw x2 mode. Also you get worse input latency so you get no advantages over other players actually the opposite. The game just feels smoother

[@lordmashie]

The thing that annoys me about nvidia's frame generation is that it needs DX12 which has its own occasional issues. Not sure about this lossless app.

[@BrettChapman-c1i]

I’m on a 3080ti using the frame gen mod and it is smoother than LS which still has a few artefacts. Runs horrible if the frame gen mod is on…..

[@Patrick_AV]

Great application 👌🏻

[@christopheratkinson1690]

Yep, does exactly what it says on the tin.

[@pravnav]

How is the input lag

[@AlexDegnan]

Except VATsim still sees the origina FPS not the lossless FPS so you'll still get kicked from vatsim if you drop below 19fps for x time.

[@bencraft9192]

I have a Ryzen 7 7700X and a 4070ti super and playing on 1080p, ultra graphics and getting around 30-40fps would it be a big fps drop if I switch to 1440p?

[@AirNOTT]

I would imagine you’re CPU limited and would likely remain CPU limited at 1440p with a graphics card like that. Possible your frames would be largely unaffected by going to 1440p.

[@bencraft9192]

@@AirNOTT Thanks!

[@GoSolarPlz]

Tried it on my 4090 i9 64gb ram triple 2k 165hz monitors and it makes msfs into a bit of a slide show. Disappointed. Tried 2x and 3x and same effect. Using frame gen from this program but not scaling. Also tried again and it causes so much artifacts it looks like crap for me

[@jakeperl5857]

In a sense, it IS too good to be true for many of us, as it's a no-go in VR and yet not really necessary for 2D on a decent machine 😢

[@SavageGunFighter21]

Runs smooth but has some artifacts at night in MSFS

[@chrioministries]

Even this new version is not working for my rtx 4070ti and 55inch 4g 120hz tv. even wit nvidia overlays off

[@johnhowarth6156]

Will this reduce stutters?

[@DavidStanko14]

Sadly when i tried, I got artifacts everywhere, had to refund

[@jetcat120]

Using this with my 3090 card. However I’m getting loads of stuttering with and sim or game no matter what settings I use. I have a 100hz monitor and without the frame gen I get about 70 frames.

[@jonathanparle8429]

This has been around on TV sets for years so I am surprised it took so long to make it to gaming, however the technology has not been particularly adept when it comes to high image quality with too many artefacts and too much judder as it struggles to truly do what it purports to do. To put this in perspective, the only frame generation technology I have come across that it close to being indisinguishable from the frames being generated natively is the AI interpolation within Topaz Video AI. Except that it is nowhere near capable of running in real time on any current hardware - you'd need a "bank" of about 4 to 10 x RTX4090 cards depending on the target resolution and frame rate. So to expect anything much of this $20 software is certainly being optimistic. Then again, you are getting what you pay for. A faster CPU and GPU will cost you 200 times as much. But again, you get what you pay for there as well.

[@darrenabbott4047]

What is it like in VR?

[@AirNOTT]

Don’t think it works with VR

[@alexanderleschanz9991]

this makes msfs run pretty smoothly on my 2060 with a ryzen 5 3600!

[@newgeorgexci]

For me too!! 2060 RTX Intel i5 10400 🎉🎉

[@Ahmedblaser]

Does it work for VR?

[@AirNOTT]

No, I don’t think so

[@GianSim]

Msfs freezes on final or descent every single time. Can only hear sound PC Specs RTX4060 CPU RYZEN 7 5700X3D 34gb of Ram

[@Larry194472]

dose this work for vr?

[@TheRobweb]

no

[@EFacundo]

Im using it on a Surface Book with a 6gb 1060 amd it works great! Smooth 30fps!

[@jaroslawpiwar5811]

Pity that all of it don't work in VR mode.

[@msfsa35k]

mine gets triple the fps bur it lags so much

[@SN57ONE]

Yeah nevermind. Considering I don't even see someone in the comments using it on a 1650, I don't really wanna buy this product.

[@jamesmorris4754]

This is what I wanna see can get between 20-35 FPS with no traffic on the same card you get AMD frame gen in Dx12 but Dx12 tanks the frames to start with

[@andysim232]

working well.