will SPEEDSOFT ruin AIRSOFT?

[@SA_Jay]

I feel they both benefit each other, and there is more than enough room for both

[@RaptorAirsoft5]

@@SA_Jay 🙏🙏

[@Lwaww]

True, but when both play styles play on one field it can by a lot harder

[@adamhach5552]

@@Lwaww that’s where it’s rough, I was skirmishing and set of speed softers came, props they have serious trigger discipline, and are fast but very annoying

[@whatdidyousay8978]

@@Lwaww lot of milsimmers are just as good as us speedy bois its just play who play speedsoft we train way more than the avarage players

[@Lwaww]

@@whatdidyousay8978 true but at skirmishes you see a lot more of speedsofters than Milsimers

[@Allthenamesweretaken17]

As long as they call their hits its okay for me. But yeah sometimes its annoying to run into somebody slidecancelling like they drank ten Red Bulls

[@Dimon45003]

😂

[@expanddoge]

Airsoft field manager from the US here, and personally i do tend to have a distaste towards speedsofters, but not because of the playstyle, but the overwhelming amount of them that are just generally toxic. I have seen dozens of “mag-dumps” over petty arguments, and lots of general not hit calling. Many of the speedsofters ive encountered tend to not belive in the idea of “trades” so when they run in guns blazing and get shot 20 times while also shooting , they will keep playing because in their mind they hit them first even though there was miliseconds between shots and they are being shot by 5 different people. I will end saying though that i dont think all speedsofters are bad, ive definitely met some good and honorable ones, and i don’t think they will ruin airsoft. What does ruin airsoft, are the ones that post videos hurting others with magdumps etc, as if it is cool or funny as it inspires others to do the same.

[@NotHarmless]

@@expanddoge I completely agree! As a speedsofter I think we aren’t ruining airsoft (a bit biased Ik) but I think the people that ruin airsoft are the mag dumpers who just want to hurt people because it’s “funny”. I personally think as soon as someone starts to have arguments or full auto someone they should immediately get kicked off the field or banned.

[@matthewmastrangelo7099]

Speedsoft is speed paintball wanabee. airsoft is millsim always has been till paintball has been dying thus paintballers became speedsofters

[@johnliu7811]

I think the mentality comes from video games such as Counter Strike or similar where millisecond advantages make or break entire games. Alot of people probably think its 1-to-1 in airsoft, but don't realize that trading is alot more common IRL because we don't have a God computer overseer to tell who pulled the trigger first. Also, those competitive video games are EXTREMELY toxic so I guess that also translates over too. That tends to happen when people put too much emphasis on trying to win imo.

[@TeamArmagedd0n]

Is mag dumping not considered assault. The police should be involved every time

[@expanddoge]

@@TeamArmagedd0n trust me they are.

[@funny-freshchips1684]

For German Airsoft players: There is a really good field called Mr.Airsoft in Lippstadt. The field has both a tournament Speedsoft field and an indoor CQB-field, which allows quick playstyles. As someone who likes to play quick airsoft games its probably the best location in Germany

[@lishkathedegenerate9066]

@@funny-freshchips1684 Stimm dir da 100% zu. Mega Feld, mega Leute.

[@CLVNPLNR]

Nur wenn die Speedsofter dann auf dem regulären Feld mitspielen ist es schon ziemlich nervig. Habe oft erlebt, dass einfach nur wild geschossen wird und der gegenüber nicht richtig identifiziert wird. Dadurch wurde ich schon oft von meinem Teammate gehitet.

[@jeagergobbs2041]

Als jemand der schnell spielt und viel puscht. Ich werde fast 80% vom eigenen Team rausgeholt als von den Gegnern. Also ich bin sowas gewöhnt. Hab auch extra immer ein farbliches T-shirt an zum passenden Team und selbst das hilft nicht. Und da gibt’s kein Unterschied zwischen casual gamer, speedsofter, milsimer oder speedqb Spielern.

[@CLVNPLNR]

@@jeagergobbs2041 habe ja auch nichts gegen einen schnellen spieltstil, das Bockt auch 🙏 aber ich meine die Personen welche komplett durchrushen und dann auf jede Bewegung schießen, ohne den gegenüber auch nur im Ansatz zu identifizieren. Dann sowas lieber auf dem speedsoftfeld austragen ✌️ als Beispiel: wir spielen halt eher taktisch und sind sonst eher im milsim unterwegs, daher das Vorgehen. Dann kommt aber jemand, welche einen komplett anderen spielstil hat und denkt das wir Gegner wären, weil wir nah am spawn sind oder Nähe der Gegner, wo man diese auch vermuten würde. Dann wird das ganze Team von einer Person rausgeschossen. Gehört dazu, ist auch alles cool, aber eine vernünftige Gegneridentifizierung sollte zumindest stattfinden. Das was ich beschreiben habe, trifft vermutlich auch nur auf einen Bruchteil zu. Also alles cool, macht trotzdem immer Bock 🫶

[@jeagergobbs2041]

@@CLVNPLNR kommt bei mir auch manchmal vor das ich Teammates raus Schieß in Situationen wo ich lieber schießen before der Gegner oder in dem fahl Freund um die Ecke kommt. Ist halt schwer wen man in manchen Situationen nur ne Waffe sieht die um die Ecke kommt aus der Richtung des gegnerischen spawns. Hab aber auch Indoor ne kompletten anderen Spiel Stiel als wen ich mal draußen spiele. Und wen sowas vorkommt ist für mich immer das wichtigste das alle fair bleiben. Den am Ende des Tages kommt es in meinen Augen genau da drauf an. Faires gameplay den daraus Nehm ich mir den Spaß beim Airsoft bzw speedsoft oder speedqb wie man alle Spielstiele halt neben will

[@AirsoftLeagueSA]

My personal experience in Speedsoft vs Airsoft was mind blowing to say the least, my team and I recently participated at the NSL Nations Cup for Speedsoft I have never experienced such an amazing community we had Coaching from the USA Team Coaching from the UK Team gun teching from the Belguim team more gun teching from the UK team again all while they should have been concerned about competing, but they put competition on the field while growing and supporting the community off the field. Every team contributed to the most amazing community experience I have ever experienced. Thank you to the NSL Official Team and players from all nations, to opening my eyes to what community truly is.

[@Flesikus]

Cant agree more, everyone was open to help and for new team from Czechia (we went there for the first time and speedsoft in CZ is nearly not existing), they were so awesome there and i cant thank enough for them, it was the best experience and looking forward for the next awesome year!

[@bagabobo]

I'm wearing paintball gear when playing airsoft because it's more comfortable to move around (I don't like military apparel) and the padding save me from bruise (So less scolding from wife) I don't mind ppl running around like maniac if they call their hits and playing by the rules. But most speedsofter do have a bad habit of overshoot so the padding do help me a lot.

[@NSLSportsOfficial]

Thanks for including our Nations Cup 2024 footage in the video!

[@Flesikus]

@@vlastislavberka6467 Yes we will!

[@jrddetailing9530]

1. The idea that countries want to ban paintball and airsoft due to the idea that it promotes violence is insane, we cannot tolerate this government overreach, it’s the same thing they tried to do with video games, claiming it causes people to be violent. It’s a load of BS 2. I grew up playing airsoft in the early 2010s at the infamous SC Village in CA, USA. I watched as HPA was born and thus speedsofting became more common, at first it was toxic, rough and straight up not fair. HPA being fairly new was expensive so it was hard to acquire, as someone who loves the Milsim aspect of airsoft but loves the play style of fast paced rush the enemy, don’t sit around in spawn and attempt to snipe, I believe there is common ground, speedsoft has also allowed a huge technological bump in the quality and performance of airsoft guns as with that sport there is a need for precision.

[@user-ko5ul7yi1x]

Gubmint should ban boxing or actions movies too. Wouldn't that be great? Just like North Korea?

[@sambondy2105]

I know some speedsofters that are really cool. And sometimes running around real fast can be fun, but my issue is when you try to mesh speedsoft with regular airsoft. Speedsoft is more like a competitive sport where they are more focused on winning than having fun. Most of us at recreational (non milsim) games are just playing casual and having a good time and not taking it seriously. In my experience, many (not all) speedsofters treat each game like a competition for money vs a casual game for fun, and that’s where the conflict comes in. Again, this is all just my opinion.

[@adammcwey7374]

I am a "regular airsofter" and we have a couple speed softers at our regular field... and I really enjoy having them around. They can really alter the pace of the game. Speedsofters enjoy pushing the enemy, which I don't typically do, so now I am more motivated to get out there with them. Our speedsofters are very respectful, helpful, and all about the team they're on. Our field is better for having them and they don't put themselves above anyone else. Plus their dye masks are pretty cool looking and comfortable.

[@GrmpyPnts]

Speedsoft: just another skin for the regular competitive paintballer. keep them in their natural habitat, enclosed with their species. it's like TAC heads, you eventually meet them and learn to ignore them and keep playing like normal.

[@potatokilr7789]

Paintball and airsoft have completely different performance characteristics. It shows a lack of technical understanding to call them the same thing. It's like calling gell ball games the same thing as high-fps nerf games.

[@gamemaster972009]

If they weren't the majority of problem players I encounter wherever I go I wouldn't care. Every field I've been to, every game i've played, if a speedsofter type walks on the field, issues crop up immediately. Of course, I'm not saying it's JUST them, but it's an 8/10 they will cause an issue, from experience.

[@justintillman5630]

Same. You see one and you just sigh with disappointment as you know the integrity took a big dip

[@TerranPlanetaryDefenseForce]

@@justintillman5630 You just know that their behavior will be annoying for the rest of the day. Request refund and leave or have a mediocre play session - I now choose to leave.

[@mehmetyazar-wp6be]

@@justintillman5630 as a speedsofter myself, most of the problems come from milsimmers that get mad at the sight of my colorfull clothing and stop taking hits because they think i wont. And generally they get salty because for them realism is important, but for me comfort and performance is important. im not saying that all milsim players are like this, but i encounter them more than speedsofters that are toxic and dont take hits.

[@cringe_airsoft]

Wow, super cool that you included clips from NSL nations cup!! I played with team USA and we took gold 🥇

[@TankAirsoft13]

Sometimes they are annoying especially if you just want to chill, ngl I do sometimes speedsoft myself

[@Loco19191]

Skill issue

[@soupamage9897]

@@Loco19191someone has anger issues

[@TankAirsoft13]

@@Loco19191 lol

[@Poncho_clone_03]

Same I Plat speedsoft a lot bit sometimes you just wanna chill with you friends and not run around like made men lol

[@kacchanteh6532]

Just get better at it

[@pargunar]

Some speed is needed to break up the boring stalemates that appear on fields

[@alessandromazzini7026]

No

[@Dimon45003]

@@alessandromazzini7026 Actually yes

[@isaac9722]

I agree. When rushing in is the only option to continue the game is doesn't even count as speedsofting

[@BombShot]

@@alessandromazzini7026 Yes. I mostly play milsim, but I try to be athletic and I will often breakup stalemates with speedsoft tactics. Say what you want, but most people get really bored after 15 minutes of sitting across a field from the other guys lobbing shots and having medics revive. The only way to break out is for someone with decent athleticism and disregard for themselves to just throw themselves in there and try to get a few on their way out.

[@boot_boy_6945]

Then go play paintball. The main attraction of airsoft is that it’s always offered a more realistic experience of an actual firefight as compared to paintball and believe it or not these stalemates are incredibly realistic. Learn how to properly maneuver if you don’t like it.

[@darjulion2717]

one thing i noticed playing airsoft is Speedsofters shouldnt mix with realistic Airsofters. what i mean is: Speedsofters should play on fields made for speedsoft and Realistic airsofters should play on fields made for realistic Airsoft. (this is only what i think and i dont want to insult anyone, if anyone has a problem with my opinion feel free to tell me about your opinion)

[@fenrir7.2]

Just from what I've personally seen, I've watched speedy players rock milsim events and clap on the tactically geared milsim players but the milsim players can't touch the speedsofters. I was at an event in Sheboygan at the asylum back in April, and overheard one guy complaining about how it's a "realistic immersive experience" and that people shouldn't be allowed to play like that or use guns that don't look like they'd belong in a military operation. The mixing of the player bases isn't the problem, the problem is how the people behave and react to each other

[@martinlutz7466]

wow, what an well-made done video. pretty clever to handle the discussion in that way! you have shown very nicely that all the diffrent styles support each other!

[@urieldeveaud]

1000% , thanks for making this video! in many countries, this is the only way to promote airsoft as a sport. and as you mentioned, the history of paintball (gotcha in my country) was opening the path to serious sport activities... even if they shoot BBs at a rate 15 per second :) Always nice to listen to your video... always inspiring, regards

[@Wasertaser]

Unmentioned is the overshooting and prefiring of Every corner with 15 shots, to where they shoot more in the first game then rentals and others do the entire day. The effect of this overshooting is even seen in frequent players so Im not surprised when i never see some rentals again. All this while being to busy running and gunning to feel anything. But hey we know you cant Alienate those who would give u money but its sad u cant be honest about the problems in video titled like that.

[@Fir3bolt42]

I mean over shooting will always be a problem and most of us don’t purposely overshoot, the thing is, most speedsoft videos at the top are full auto clips or people being dicks, and most of the time when I find I’m overshooting it’s when I’m at a range and by the time I see you call your hit, after like the 3rd shot, 5-8 BBs are in the air and I can’t really take those back

[@HellspawnAirsoft]

Prefiring is a very normal thing to do. And while I agree (from afar) that they make it challenging for rentals, it's up to us to teach them. The overshooting problem is what I call, get the fuck over it, it's airsoft. Take whatever hits you get and go back to respawn.

[@Wasertaser]

@@HellspawnAirsoft By your outstandingly dumb logic, every field is wrong for having any restrictions. Also nice reading comprehension, ignoring everything after you got triggered

[@HellspawnAirsoft]

@@Wasertaser when did I get triggered😅😅😅? my point is just be a man. And I said we should show rentals some pointers. Prefiring is a normal airsoft strat. It’s just a skill issue on your end.

[@Wasertaser]

@@HellspawnAirsoftlol so u ignored everything again to make your very dumb point and thinly veiled insult. 2x now

[@TheRedGhoul]

Well said and articulated Josef, you bringed out some very good and accurate points that we all could give some thought. Well made video!

[@Darthvvill]

I can imagine 15-25 year olds starting with speed soft and moving onto airsoft

[@kippercsg]

Speedsoft is speedsoft. Milsim is milsim. The two are separate, if you try playing one in the style of the other, you're gonna have a bad time! As a middle ground, you have regular skirmish days. You get a mix of play styles, and this is a good thing. A good skirmish site will have games that encourage and reward both play styles.

[@TuJiVanOers]

Some people love playing tryhard, some people don’t. Thats it. We should accept both, some like to run allot and run till their last breath, some like to chill all day with their comrades. Its be like that. If you hate the mix, consider joining a team or something.

[@AmalgamationCinema]

I wish airsoft was more popular than it is, at least where I live it isn’t as popular. I just wish content creators got hundreds of thousands of views because it such a good hobby that more people should tru

[@SilverCloneStudios]

I did not think they were an issue, but individual people who ignore hits to try and get ahead are very troublesome. I play at an outdoor field with a lot of room and the issue I typically run into is that speedsofters push up way too far and either die where they cannot be revived or cheat their way to an advantage point. I do not mind the play style, but a lot of the people that play like this seem to act like they have something to prove on the field when everyone else is just trying to have a good time. That being said, I am very happy to have them on my team and actually push rather than have people cowering in the back from plastic bbs.

[@spinshade]

2:36 Yikes, that announcer should've really phrased that a little better. LOL

[@jobennebur]

Imagine if he just said, YES, yes it does! Love you speedsoft community

[@WombatPlays-qq3oz]

For some speedsofters on my field, the cqb style is more like slow motion. You see the speedsofter quickly peek, one or two tap the enemy while retreating - the player that was hit does sometimes not even see the opponent at all. That makes everyone more cautious and slows down the gameplay without making it boring. Some even call out where they spot the speedsofter(s) on the field to redirect attention. I started the field with nsl speedsoft in mind, but it turns out in Switzerland the cqb scene is more dominant - but i would never exclude the players ;) Maybe something in the middle? Fast Close Combat looks fun - let's try this..

[@HobbyWorld_one]

Great and informative video. Thanks for sharing

[@jeremiahdelaroca5003]

i remember playing against a group of speedsofters in a regular airsoft field. we got wiped out in less than 5 mins. LOL.

[@boosted94sc300]

as a former paintball player i knew about airsoft and used to own a few gas replica back in the early 2000s but been playing paintball for the last 20 years on and off. after finding a video on speed soft i am interested in playing the sport but not sure anyone plays it in my area. i hope speed soft can bring a new generation and reinvigorate the sport of airsoft and bring speed soft into the main light.

[@JettWilson13]

i play at my local fields which are outside and spacious, but i also have my fair share of cqb moments too. i also play at my mates house, they live on a farm by a creek and have their own big field of their own with trenches and forts and everything, it feels a lot more real. I would absolutely love to join a milsim event because it seems very fun. but at the same time, i wish there was a indoor cqb field by where i live because that kind of airsoft is fun too. THERE CAN BE A BALANCE. just enjoy what you enjoy🤙

[@venezvale]

"Not too sporty anymore, not too safe" felt a lot like "very mindful, very demure"

[@clipznation9684]

In Southern California, speedsoft is the main form of airsoft, at least in the Los Angeles area. With fields like Project N1, Tac City, and Sc Village. Two of the fields being indoor arenas for the SpeedQB Championships. I prefer the speedsoft mindset over mil-sim, as to me it feels much sportier. How many people can I tag out before I get tagged. Focusing on running as fast as you can being as small of a target as possible is extremely fun, almost COD deathmatch like. Another great thing about it is that your not alone in "being a speedsofter" at these fields. I would often times say 70-90% of the players on any given day are "Speedsofters" so there isn't any stigma of "playing realistically' such as during mil-sim games. When everyone is running around trying to get the most tags, and everyone is playing with the same mindset, it is a much more enjoyable experience overall. I see how my playstyle could be annoying when others are trying to indulge in mil-sim like play style, but that just means more countries and regions need to have fields/days dedicated to both different styles. At Tac City every Tuesday is SpeedQB Night, offering tournament style matches as seen in the video. And at Project N1 they offer training courses (often weekly) on close quarter combat scenarios for mil-sim style playing (or even real steel scenarios). I believe if more fields and arenas would drop the stigma surrounded with "speedsoft" and dedicated certain days to the style, just like Tac City does, and Project N1 doing the opposite offering mil-sim style training, we would all be able to understand eachother better. I think theres a mutual distaste for both sides, and i wish that could be taken down. But in all honesty that is mostly up to field owners being more open to the style.

[@VorTexZAirsoft]

The hate is mostly about the gear/clothing...(what I noticed) there are so many fast style players with milsim gear here in the Netherlands they never get complained about. when some are even faster then the speedy boys..

[@MagicKnivesGaming]

I think they compliment each other and they actually give us a reason to call it a sport. There’s advantages with its play style which is why I mix speedsoft tactics with milsim tactics and I’ve even incorporated that with the new gulag field my friend and I made. More and more i appreciate and like speedqb/speedsoft much more, but I do still hope to keep the milsim aspect of it within casual airsoft

[@Caffeine_Combat]

I have a speedsofter kit but use an ssr4 and don’t really play as fast as speedsofters, but I hate playing against them but I would LOVE being one

[@890lli]

Very good point of view in this video! And always: each airsoft gun / gear bought is good for the industry, and good for the hobby. No matter whether it is a serious milsim M4 of a flashy pink Hi-Capa. As far as we all follow the rules!

[@DevilsRockContract]

I respect both gameplay styles. Everyone should test both in order to become better.

[@jesperjakobsen3775]

We dont really have a lot of speedsofters where im playing (Denmark in europe) but it happens they show up, but mostly they arent really a problem -also the rush playstyle could be applied to a camo dude as well, just depends whats your playstyle. Personally im converting at the moment from the more realistic approach to a more rushing approach. I liked the realism aspect of airsoft in the beginning, but realised its just a sport so dont need like 15 kg of equipment your never gonna use like NVG, Lights etc... as well as having my new hpa gun stripped down to 1.3 kgs build for rush. what im trying to say ? : the toxic speedsoft behavior is more depending on the person holding the gun, rather than the general playstyle. (seen milsimmers have outburst too, just because everyone didnt follow their fantasy world where they are the lone survivor hero thingy)

[@NamesNicco]

speedsoft is awesome

[@Rexxylizard]

On me and my friends first airsoft game there was a speedsofter that would go in to our back lines get all the first timers out (me and my friends) and then run away he did that the whole time

[@Aartwood]

It’s basically the same as paintball has always been. We have speedball for competition and scenario games, and then we have magfed which is more like traditional airsoft. Scenario big games bring every discipline together, speedball, woods ball and magfed. But when we have magfed specific events, speedball markers aren’t allowed. It would simply not balance the given scenario. Every discipline can co exist.

[@Qwertytld]

Watching speedsofters feels like watching Ultrakill gameplay

[@Yankee2-2Nomad]

People should keep an open mid, every style should welcome because in the end its all airsoft. Our sport is already niche enough, we dont need to divide ourselves further with nonsense. I dont mind the speedy bois and this is coming from a casual/milsim player. Last year I built out an Airtac CRBN build to see how the other side lives; its been great! Super hot days are alot easier with carbon fiber.

[@misterwouter79]

Very good explanatory video

[@airsoft-explained-novritsch]

Thank you, glad you liked it!

[@virgilthemob1242]

Everyone finds their own enjoyment in different aspects of the game. There are toxic regular, milsim and speedsofters alike and there are the people who respect their fellow players who are gonna be fun to play with no matter how they approach it.

[@jesseclark7639]

If you're at a field and see a group of 5+ speedsofters, you know you're gonna have hard time having them call their hits, you have to get stupid clean shots or have a gopro that will get them getting hit, refs know this and sadly they hardly ever split them up

[@MrTryAnotherOne]

The entire Olympic Games have their roots in wargames. This is silly.

[@tijmenberends242]

There is nothing inherently wrong with speedsoft(ers). More people engaging in the hobby = growth after all. Differebt playstyles are completely fine aswell. But the problem lies in the way most speedsofters play. In my (limited) experience almost all of the cheaters I have encountered were either speedsofters/wearing speedsoft gear and they are usually overshooting way too much and then crying about their opponents etc.

[@tubiou]

Only thing ruining Airsoft is the Airsofters themselves. Can’t count anymore how often people complain that I don’t use the proper platecarrier or that my uniform is only a lookalike and not an original tigerstripe from southeast Asian military. So calm down people and have fun, that’s what it’s all about.

[@adalbertusignatius4967]

@@tubiou people complain about your gear? Wtf, i never experienced such a thing (in austria)

[@Ryan_Shah]

Speedsoft on top! We rule

[@NepaAirsoft]

I remember at one local field they banned Binary Triggers and "Trigger Spam" or what I call "Paintball Fingering" the trigger. Annoyed a lot of players with those replica setups, but never had any issues after the rules were put in place and enforced. Speedsoft has its place and might not be for everyone. Players have to remember it is all a game, no matter what style of gameplay you are involved in playing.

[@d0m186]

I went to some speedsoft games with a friend of mine and every time I explained it to someone else they were like "Oh, just like paintball? That's cool". When I just talk about "normal" airsoft most people react like it was illegal or just for militias. So speedsoft is great for the general public to accept airsoft as a legit sport/hobby and with broader acceptance I hope that it will make the law makers reconsider some of the choices they make regarding gun laws which also affect airsoft replicas here in Germany

[@maxmxlte]

Very nice analogy. We really have to label airsoft more as a sport so we don't get banned.

[@djb3v]

You made the point perfectly. There just isn’t enough places for them to play so they end up in games with first time rentals. Worst part is that from my experience they really seem to enjoy these one sided games where they’re just pinning down a bunch of kids because they can’t relax their competitive nature.

[@stuffmcstuff399]

for the experienced Milsim types. A speedsofter is just an easy kill.

[@Isaiah.Hunter017]

Me and a bunch of marvel friend, or a mini SPEED AIR SOFT

[@defeatedhusband1593]

As a prior speedball player in paintball, I moved to airsoft for the environment of more honor and realism it provided. Less flash and "what is your k/d ratio" or "rpm" talk. Helps knowing the guns are made to be more realistic. Paintball went way to far to the stylish and rpm route... more money there but that is what ruined it for casual players.

[@BombShot]

I dislike the nature of this discussion as a whole, but his video is great. Me being weird, I consider myself the closest to an inbetweener. I can go fast, but I like to play tactical. My kit is designed to be milsimy, but fast, and I will often be the guy full sprinting in outdoor fields if there is any kind of stalemate and I want to break it up. I find that a lot of the disdain comes from a bad bunch on both ends, and I think a lot of people involved in more milsim/skirmish style airsoft tend to be more childish than they realize. This is coming from a skirmish player. I find that people will flip flop on how they feel about me as a player depending on what I do, if I catch them out with a hard fast rush, they get annoyed because its "Not how its supposed to be played," I hide and let the game get boring, everyone complains about the match being a stalemate shoot-out for 30 minutes, but nobody is salty about me specifically. Realistically, I think the main problem, and them main sentiment I see, is most people who are doing skirmishes are not really athletic. They come to just relax and have some fun. They don't want to run around, be ultra competitive, or have people sprinting around trying their asses off. It makes sense. What I think gets missed in a lot of that sentiment is that just because it's not what the majority likes on a field, that doesn't mean the other playstyle doesn't have a place, and often those players you get annoyed at are the ones that breakup those otherwise boring games.

[@oooppiikkk]

i feel it further blurres the line between paintball and airsoft

[@abcclbbq2]

I'm not care the speedqb as long as you take the hit, be fair, not crashing on your teammates/opponents, not hurting your knee then its totally fine.

[@arvnryuga9793]

I would argue coming from a captain who created the team from February and have been playing two NSL tournaments so far. It has done more positive than negative. Because the community overall have been nothing but kind and probably like the nicest community I ever experienced in my life and every experienced players that I met are welling to help out the new teams or players like me to become better for the future tournaments that what grows to become this community so special about it which I believe the whole airsoft community are just ignoring unfortunately. Now, I do say this like every community there’s always going to be that one person who tried to ruin everything and I think it’s fair to to say that just because of person who ruined and stained the negative within the community doesn’t define the community as a whole. Sure you can watch all the negative stuff about speedsoft on KZbin for hours but where’s the attention for more positive which I never understand. So my point it’s not 👍

[@HitachiTRQ-225]

As someone who has been playing airsoft for a decade, its not speedsoft itself thats the problem, its the fact that it overwhelmingly attracts the most awful and toxic people, if anyone has a problem or confrontation on the field EVERYONE looks at the speedsofter before information is revealed about the situation and 90% of the time it actually is the speedsofter. Used to play at a field called power ops and knew the owner Micah, one time he told me the majority (like 65-70%) of the people that got banned from his field were speedsofters

[@SawyerHendersonHunting]

I play paintball and airsoft I play woodsball which is a hell of a lot better than open professional fields with bright colors it’s just mag dumping

[@wurmschn3693]

Being in austria, I only saw a few and they usually new to the hobby. Damn, I even outrun them with full gear. Have nothing against them, but I only have seen them hitting a wall against my squad.

[@para-4226]

If you think about it, speedsoft plays similarly to paintball. The game layout is very similar, you play in a small arena and duke it out close combat style most of the time.

[@brokencreationlordmegatrol3037]

sometimes i want my sunday skirmishers to be more aggressive coz im bored waiting ina bush for ten mins but i also dont like going to a CQB game and i end up against a team of dudes that the marshals dont seperate coz they are their friends and they all have bloody team names. hoodies and customised AAP 01 with m4 mags that cost a few grand and I " a fat power lifter" with my pulse rifle, my friend who can barely see and his mp5 i built for him, a giant of a man with a tiny hi cappa and three mags and his teenage son... yes I'm venting

[@elliotthyppolite]

Not a speedsofter at ALL but i feel bad for them at this point. Airsoft SHOULD be about inclusion. This is one of SO many videos within the last 2 years now targeting speedsoft when theres room for it. We need all the support and player base we can get to progress. *correction * i appreciate you giving credit at the end that its NOT ruining the community, thank you. What about speedsoft being an entry to paintballers who wanna cross over or do both? Doesnt airsoft still win in that case? Gotta stop hating. Again, I'll probably never play a game of speedsoft a day in my life but others should be able to enjoy and partake if thats what they like. Why not? Its not a threat to the rest of the community and it's pretty fun to watch

[@rustybeskar4664]

Speedsoft belongs on television in a stadium with medals and cash prizes

[@elistewart3878]

Where I live im one of the only soeedsofters in my entire city and typically I find that the milsim players are more likely to cheat because they are wearing so much protective gear that they can’t feel anything. I just wear a paintball jersey and I can feel a hit everytime so I almost never cheat

[@elektra81516]

Speedsoft is for kids who never take their ADHD medication and are ultra-sweats in COD

[@jeagergobbs2041]

The age old hate between speedies and milsimer is something I absolutely hate. Yea maybe someone’s doesn’t feel a hit due to adrenaline but just as often someone doesn’t feel, or rather hear a hit on their plate carrier or backpack. Both sides have their ups and downs and downs and I’m sad that often there is an Argument on the field because some isn’t calling their hits or is mad that some guy ran past their spawn and got half the team out. It’s a game enjoy it and know the difference that indoor will always be filled with more BBs flying through the air. Ps: I wouldn’t call the speedsoft a playstile but would call it speedqb but that is just my take on it.

[@uzzy1364]

Speedsoft is fine you just got to play different to counter it. Stay in open areas and keep your distance. In cqb go prone they’ll often times just run straight past without noticing u. I’m not saying point blank moscart them but u know it does cover a large area. Side note it is good for the industry overall as most players don’t upgrade rifs nearly to the level of speedsofters

[@jasonlai980142]

Speedsofters I encountered tend to not call hits and overshoot, the former becoz they rush with adrenaline boosted hence become less sensitive to pain, the later, well this is what they do. I do own and build replicas across platforms, mainly gbb and hpa, sometimes aeg, and I do have some HPAs that can spam like what they do in their Speedqb tournaments, yet most of the ppl in the so called "normal game" here don't play like this. We praise those who don't spam, don't pre-fire when peeking, and shoot only when they've confirmed hostile, this is to avoid friendly fire and overshooting your friends. In this conception of airsoft games, I do not think Speedsofters will be embraced by the majority, unless they restrict their fire-rate, ammo capacity, and most importantly call their hits.

[@nixwrx]

they also never call there hits, and when they feel like there a tad bit angry because you ACTUALLY got them, They’ll flip there gun to full auto and shoot you in the face / legs, I mean that sounds fun right!! For most first time players that would make them want to come back.

[@simonstoffels1878]

I agree that there is enough room. The hyper fast movement of speedsoft only works on their standard field. I am a really fast player too in normal airsoft but i cant go faster because the layout the field just doesn't allow for it i would get shot instantly as the distances from cover to cover are much longer.

[@CharlieForrest-m2j]

I’m trying to get into airsoft but i feel like i would play in both play styles

[@maarciiii234]

Can you make video explaining that airsoft is sport which is not supporting war, violence and killing people? (my mum thinks that it is does)

[@fernandoferraz3527]

Only advantage speedsofters have over normal airsoft is crazy rof where you see an m4 with the rof of a minigun overshooting every corner and player, unlimited amo as u often seen speedsofters with smg or pistols with drum mag adaptations, and speed as by moving fastvits hhatder to hit them and for them to feel it making this a huge problem.

[@konstancemakjaveli]

Elitism and toxicity ruins a sport, not its types of players and playstyles

[@severedconnections4821]

No. Both are great. Anything that brings more attention to the game is a positive.

[@MrPewpface]

I played a lot of paintball in my 20s until I had two knee injuries. Can't do a lot of running because my knee can't handle all the pounding. I've been considering dipping my toe into the Airsoft waters. If speedsoft is the only option in available fields, I will stay as a spectator.

[@anthonypeck612]

Speedsofters need to switch to paintball. i played airsoft before enlisting infantry in the United States Marine Corps. Speedsoft certainly would have ruined that experience

[@dudearlo]

Shit man, Speed soft might save airsoft. Might bring in more mainstream appeal which would keep the airsoft economy booming, which lets everyone else benefit from everything. Win-win :D

[@johnnystacks9468]

SpeedSoft gives Airsoft the opportunity to reach a wider audience, provides more structure and the opportunity to become as popular as Paintball! It's essential for the growth of our hobby into a sport! After running over 50 matches I can say that Airsoft's biggest problem is internal integrity. Players not calling shots, players not walking all the way back to spawn etc! Speedsoft takes all of that out of the equation!

[@chuk90]

Speedsoft: counter strike Airsoft: CoD/BF Milsim: Squad

[@GuidovanderMolen]

and also in the netherlands we see airsoft as a sport but this is mostly from speedsoft because the goverment find the guys in the woods playing skirms a bit crazy but they like speedsoft because of that sport type of game here in the netherlands if you want to play airsoft you have to be apart of the NABV But they also get a lot of hate because poeple say they have a monopoly here in the netherlands wich is true but it for the safefty of the sport and they get hate because poeple say they put speedsoft on top but this is just so we can still play the game/ sport we al like to play in the first place

[@manciucristian6100]

Yes i belive is enough place for all but in my opinion as a airsoft player and speedsoft player an referee i belive it is a difference between them. Airsoft i more tactical more versatile and you use a more amount of energy and you got to ise your brain more. Speedsoft is more dynamic, high speed shooting and high speed tactics. Speedsoft in my opinion is a mix betwen paintball and airsoft in my opinion. So everybody can enjoy the both sports but you can choose what sport you can play. There both fun and very fairplay. Because fairplay is all about in both sports. Enjoy everybody!

[@zachaustin5225]

I agree that speedsofters have a place in airsoft and that they are helping to legitimize the hobby in the eyes of the public. I myself enjoy that playstyle from time to time but I don't want it to become the only play style. I still enjoy the more "traditional" style of play where there is just as much focus on the realistic replicas and dress up aspects as there is on performance. I hope camouflage, large - asymmetric fields, and tacticool loadouts don't become confined to milsim type events (Not that those are bad either).

[@bernardorodero8374]

my only problem with Speedsoft is the HPA guns, just keep HPA far far away from airsoft and we can have peace

[@jadenweaver7529]

As a paintballer NOW airsoft looks fun 😅

[@shadow1domainairsoft]

There is a good sub group milspeed the perfect combination of milsim and speedsoft

[@lostartifacts1924]

I rush hard but i wear a full kit i dont run hpa just gbb and aeg

[@johnairsoftronin]

I play both airsoft and speedsoft. The only difference is that for airsoft I have milsim gear with helmet and for speedsoft I have sports gear and jersey. Speedosft won't destroy aitsoft, just more people will want to play. The paintball community will move to speedsoft.

[@DeXteR.AIRSOFT]

Lots of controversial takes in the comment section. But only 10% of the people who "hate" on Speedsoft / Speedsofters, actually tried it. 9/10 ppl who try speedsoft, realize how fun / rewarding it is, and they keep coming back.

[@leonbeierwaltes9184]

On regular Weekend skirms there is No Problem with them and people complaining how they ruin Airsoft by looking untactical and moving fast build for Speed is at least at milsims No Option. So Play milsims If u dont Like them and also i think speedsoft is a great place for invation as they Push their gear to the max all the time. I think there is enough room for both and If u dont wanna See them play milsims

[@JayLo413]

Alot of people will always consider this as a sort of Military Militia Training rather than a sport or game tournament?

[@DemonCoBrisk]

Ive played with speedsofters,im a newer player myself,so far its good but i hate when they put 6 to 7 rounds in my back

[@MalibuDill]

You’re not going to play against Paintballers with sniper etc, you get alot of advantage. A normal airsofter is not allowed to use full auto CQB but these guys with their custom builds are shooting faster than regular rifs from airsofters. Just can’t be mixed in my opinion. Keep them apart