BUGS GALORE! Tarkov's Patch 14.0 Armor is a MESS! Armor Testing Results

[@dominiksieberer3925]

With the one AP Bullet killing on a thorax shot - i have a theory: It happens because the Bullet hits 2 zones of the body, and its damage is counted twice. (Thorax - upper front & Thorax - upper back). I have had some deaths this wipe where i saw the guy killing me infront of me, but the death screen said thorax - upper back. So if you guys encounter this again, maybe see what zone the kill is counted torwards?

[@staselirus]

Happend to me too

[@joemarron5515]

Not even just thorax, stomach too. Got one shot with lvl 4

[@chuyalexis1411]

One thing is for sure. Getting one tapped out of nowhere by seemingly random ammos. Is absolutely a thing and is absolutely possible and has at least to me happened NUMEROUS times already

[@RazorBrain1]

I can confirm that many times I have been shot from the front or back, and the death shot will show the opposite side. I.e. Shot in the face,jaw but killed by head;nape. Something strange is happening. Still would have killed me, but registration is bugged somehow.

[@argentumoculisgrimm9619]

I wonder if it’s fragmentation? Idk enough but would the round fragment on pen then count as multiple hits that way? Or it’s the back plate causing frag to spatter up hitting the nape or upper back thorax? Unless the frag isn’t that fleshed idk just a theory…a gam-

[@guitar326]

Really appreciate all the hard work you put into these tests. There is no way many of us would know about these issues without it. Keep it up!

[@Airwingmarine]

Glad to help!

[@sfprojectTheJourney]

I have to concur! Thanks alot @airwingmarine with crew!

[@mrphoenix5951]

bro it's easy to see the amount of trash in the armor system just play the game

[@uncivilrhumbus3297]

I second this notion, thanks a bunch brother!

[@glockwarrior9458]

Oh we knew... but this is still golden and very necessary.

[@Dizturb86]

Honestly thank you for spending a huge amount of time doing this tedious testing. This is great info for all players and BSG. You're the GOAT!

[@jesses9540]

The huge amount of hard work is much appreaciated!

[@StillBrokeOff]

from bsg and the players alike !

[@Weaselisyodaddy]

Thank you for the hard work

[@ahealthkit2745]

@@StillBrokeOff Bruther BSG didn't even test this shit before they dumped it onto live. If they did, we might not have the bugginess we've got.

[@DrakyHRT]

@@ahealthkit2745 They did, it just wasn't extensive enough, if it wasn't tested it would be way worse.

[@sptrm1230]

Very thorough testing! SPT modder here, you probably don't want this information, but I've replicated most of this in SPT and have some insights (SPT uses offline mode from live, both live raids and offline use same logic for hitreg and ballistics). What I've observed: -inconsistent shots to kill with ammo that should easily pen armor (from 1 shot to 6 or more with 5.45x39 BP vs. lvl 4) -seemingly random one shot kills with ammo that shouldn't be able to -rounds penetrating through the player from one side to the other, hitting the plate on the opposite side. -no blunt damage with plates or soft armor that uses plate hitboxes -inconsistent hit detection (sometimes soft armor under a penetrated plate is ignored etc.) I've narrowed down the causes for most of these issues, and have a few theories (not 100% confirmed, it's a lot of complex code). The source of most of these bugs/issues is that there's a high chance of bullets penetrating multiple body colliders (hitboxes). So if you shoot someone in the chest the bullet could hit the front chest collider, then hit the upper back collider. There seems to be a dice role involved with whether or not this happens, and how much damage is retained because I've observed occasions where the bullet doesn't lose damage (leading to a one-shot), and other times where it's lost as much as 50% or more. Sometimes the bullet seems to change its trajectory and hit a collider you wouldn't expect like one of the upper sides (armpit). Sometimes the bullet only hits the the first collider and acts as you'd expect. I can reproduce one-taps consistently if shooting the side of a target, into the armpit. Now the rest is going to be hard to explain. There's a method responsible for determining if an armor is penetrated, called "SetPenetrationStatus". This method has not changed from last wipe. All it does is check if armor is penetrated, no damage calculations. The method "ApplyDamage" handles both blunt damage and damage after penetration. BSG has explicitly coded that if the armor is using a plate hitbox, it will absorb 100% of the damage regardless if it's penetrated or not (so long as durability is above 0). This includes the soft armors you've observed acting like plates, they're using plate hitboxes. So then how can we take any damage if the plate's durability is above 0? Say we had a rig like the Ars Arma CPC, which has soft armor that acts like a hard plate, with a lvl 4 plate inserted vs. 5.45x39 BP. It will pen the plate on the first shot but do 0 damage, it then pens the soft armor but also does 0 damage because its a hard plate, then hits the front chest collider doing 0 damage, but *then* there's a chance it goes through the body and hits the upper back collider. The part that's even more bizarre is that somehow the bullet does full damage again upon hitting the 2nd body collider. Sometimes it registers as hitting the same collider twice, so it'll pen the plate and soft armor (0 damage), hit the body collider underneath (0 damage) but then hit it again doing the normal amount of damage. However this isn't consistent, sometimes it happens sometimes it doesn't. This is why the shots to kill is so varied. Despite the bullet penetrating the plate and soft armor, its damage gets set to 0, but some of the time it will continue on to hit a different body part and do full damage. It's some strange bizarre bug. If the plates didn't absorb 100% of the damage when penetrated you'd end up getting double damage some of the time, so I believe this aspect of it is a deliberate attempt by BSG to deal with these bugs. I have observed one-taps through armor that was penetrated but I haven't caught the logs for that yet since it's rare. There's definitely more going on than I've been able to find so far, and the picture isn't 100% clear, but to me it seems like there are inherent issues with the system and BSG has attempted to band-aid "fix" it by making plates absorb 100% of the damage to prevent double hits. I'd be more than happy to answer any questions or show proof of my observations.

[@Spec0psGrunt]

This explains a few strange deaths I've had as a Press Vest user. Appreciate the testing!

[@hannibalbarca7884]

Yeah for me too Yesterday 0ed on thorax really fast (instantly) but the 2 dudes seems had 9mil weapons I was shocked I know why now 🤣 ( I had a press Armor)

[@micholous]

Yeah.. was wondering why i got onetapped to my chest by AP ammo even when wearing lvl 4 plate..

[@hannibalbarca7884]

@@micholous I'm sure they didnt had AP in my case I was in ground 0 lol

[@TheGodHand291]

@@hannibalbarca7884 why do you think they didnt have ap?

[@FlawlessRuby]

cause its a low level zone with people less likely to be running the best of gear.

[@kajennthomas1173]

Testing and information like this is a god send, thank you so much for your dedication!

[@Boosted_aj]

Thank you!

[@ChronicSkooma]

@Krugmatik theyre the ones that got mad at him for exposing them.

[@Airwingmarine]

Thank you!

[@haezz4027]

BSG is truly blessed to have a community this devoted to doing this much research and testing out of sheer love for the game. Thanks for what you do

[@bjornekloo]

BSG is truly blessed to have a community that does the work that they should be doing and should have tested before releasing it. BSG incompetent fucktards

[@Mundogg89]

why the fuck isnt bsg doing this before its implemented in the game

[@prezlamen7906]

​@@Mundogg89Its easier and more cost efficient for them to have you low socio economic peasants pay them to test their updates lol.

[@osiris4457]

@@Mundogg89 Because BSG are fantastically inept developer team.

[@2opmataron991]

@@Mundogg89 Probably because they don't have or barely have any playtesters. They just let players playtest their game lmao

[@dahboi251]

Man I for sure know I appreciate this information and the time you guys put into it to figure these thing out, I always tell folks to go check out your channel when it comes to updates and the new stuff BSG puts us through. I'm now about 1.5 years into playing this game and there's always something changing and I constantly come to your channel to find out about those changes. As this is one of my favorite games and I love playing and streaming it with my buddies, I can't thank you enough! Much love!

[@Sup-mw6kl]

I rarely comment, but today I came across your video for the first time. From the first minutes, I really liked your manner of speech, your decency, the way you thank the guys who helped you in your experiments. This really pleases my ears, I’ll write a comment for support, and also say that you’re great. Keep doing what you enjoy. Thanks for the content!

[@ATR-_]

Thanks Airwingmarine! I've recently been encountering multiple bugs with Piranha rounds including hit reg issues. These rounds can randomly one shot (through all armor classes) and it seems to be linked to fragmentation chances mistakenly coded to each individual "pellet" of the shot.

[@DarKcS2]

I also died in one thorax shot to a piranaha at point blank wearing a brand new gzhel. But Piran has 0% fragmentation chance so that can't be it. Maybe pen shots where if one nail hits, all of them do the max damage (which makes no sense).

[@mikesinaro]

Bruh I knew something was up with these rounds. I sprayed about 7 shells of Piranha to a dude with a Korund and a Zssh helm with the face mask, the mask and armor had maybe 5 points of health taken off and yet he dropped dead. Yet other times I'm lighting guys up and I get laid out. Definitely something funky with them.

[@harvey7943]

Im thinking it has to do with multiple intersecting hitboxes creating "super bullets" that pass through them and register way more damage that they should. Just a theory, I have no idea.

[@YukiMurakumo]

@@harvey7943 I think you're onto something, I've seen several games have this "double dipping" issue with guns that can penetrate the hitbox and tag it multiple times, there needs to be some sort of failsafe for hitboxes that are next to each other so they can only hit once each or something. A big one was Destiny 2 with Wish-Ender. The bow penetrates any target and was doing obscene amounts of damage because, as the arrow travelled through the body of the target, it registered a hit on every single frame, and could do more damage based on the client's framerate... so hitting a boss could sometimes hit them upwards of 10 times (considering how slow an arrow moves, probably no more than 1/6 of a second - 60 FPS, but ridiculous nonetheless, and was waaaaay overpowered till they fixed it) Very possible that the bullet is just tagging the same hitbox several times on its way through

[@DudeManVG]

Shhhh bro I love this round

[@Ahuratum]

What is amazing is the fact that your videos have a view count so close to your subscriber count. Many creators have a large number of subs but their videos get less than a 10th of their sub count. This, if nothing else, should show that you have a valid sub base. No fluff, no fake accounts. Your work is immensely appreciated and you will always have my sub.

[@belsonbelson8645]

U and gigabeef carry the tarkov community!

[@magnushjorth3411]

Nice content mate, essential info right here.

[@Airwingmarine]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@johnmcgraw1475]

I ran some tests on the 10th and saw the Zhuk-3 ballistic plate (front) (class 3 UHMWP) consistently stop the first round of SSA AP fired at it. That’s a 57 pen round! Would love to see somebody try to recreate this. Blew my mind

[@nikitabelov1478]

Seems like (undamaged) plate breaks = bullet gets destroyed

[@DrakyHRT]

@@nikitabelov1478 that is actually realistic, even if the bullet has insane penetration power it could be stopped by a plate depending on the angle of the impact, the material of the bullet, even the weather could influence shit like that.

[@mornietv]

I am glad to help and always around for the future tests!

[@fireballmx]

The ronin helmet I believe is missing the "face" hitbox protection as well (similar to the press armor issue)

[@paytah1]

That's a pretty big miss for something that's entire purpose is to protect the face lol

[@TarkovTimeTV]

Huge thanks! We are also a huge fan of your music, keep it up!

[@GroundbreakGames]

As an amateur game developer myself it’s hard to even sum up how valuable your videos must be for the tarkov devs. Thanks for all the dedication!

[@TaylorWillis-f6w]

It would be valuable if they actually put effort into fixing anything. They roll out updates and then let them fester and rot the game for a few months before rolling out a half assed “patch” that breaks the games spaghetti code even more. There’s still serious bugs in this game from 5 years ago that have never been fixed. And all of that is separate to the cheater problem.

[@nikitabelov1478]

Well I am an amateur gave developer too. And for me lack of testing is pretty evident. Press armor bug: they seem to set up every armor piece individually, to a point that it may ignore existence of an armor plate. Like... how? In a well-designed system, you reuse the code. If has armor slot -> if it's not empty -> turn on hitbox and calculate stuff. Applied universally to any armor. And this exactly how it is everywhere, even the same freaking armor piece. At least from a user perspective. But it still breaks. Rear soft plate not taking damage bug: obvious code mistake. But again no one tested it.

[@blutaar3263]

Wow thanks! I was shocked about the Press armour, have been running it a lot and had a rough time. It makes sense now but it never crossed my mind that the armor could be bugged out. You are saving my lives again just like with the flashlight bug!

[@waldo795]

I wish BSG would involve people like you in their testing plans to ensure they're testing this correctly. Most development teams have a phase of User Acceptance Testing and this is where people like airwing and veritas can add significant value. Love this level of attention to detail in testing Airwing, awesome work! :)

[@Svytorius]

To be fair, the game is in beta. I know this is said a lot, but it is. Technically we're all supposed to be a part of the testing and development and provide feedback. Whether it gets acted upon is another story lol

[@shotjon2957]

@@Svytoriusstill, more player developer cooperation doesn't hurt a game.

[@Moewenfels]

Well.. Tarkov IS still in beta. We are ALL beta testers. So its not far off.

[@waldo795]

@@Svytorius And this is how BSG get's off the hook for putting in effort to setup this type of community lead testing. There's the ETS process for the testing branch but that's shroud in mystery and doesn't seem to have a route in to support at this level. This is a gap that could be filled and make the game better for everyone. I'm not hating on BSG, if you compare them to other triple A studios they're significantly better. However, there always has to be a video like this to identify gaps (Hackers, sounds bugs, recoil, amour issues to name a few) in their development. I work in the industry and it's the Microsoft approach of using paying customers as testers and that's wrong. They just need to ask for help and this community would 100% jump in to help with their quality assurance / testing. :)

[@counter8595]

@@Svytorius To be fair, its been in beta for quite a few years. They've for sure got enough budget for stuff considering the price per copy.

[@9Rezerk]

Thanks for all the testing! Something's definitely off. The latest instance that got me wondering "what the heck just happened?" saw me shooting a full 30 rounds of 9x21mm BT (best in class) to a guy's thorax while he had a 6B13 on and only putting him into a coughing state, but nothing more.

[@NoxMortus]

I've been using SVDs for punisher pt6, and have had 2 cases of people surviving 10+ rounds (hits confirmed on death screen) of T-46M, both were wearing 6b13 variant armors

[@BeardedSensey]

Insane info as always, thanks for doing the heavy work!

[@chimanski2040]

Great work as always, thank you all for spending so much tims trying to figure things out so we all can learn. Pretty sure the Press armor not working is still lystens fault >:)

[@Airwingmarine]

Always

[@VanessaHellsing]

13:07 Love the accidental headshot face.

[@dankovac1609]

BSG should honestly make a special version of the game for debugging. Maybe it could be limited access to people they trust with the task for obvious reasons. Like a debug gamemode where you can quickly and easily get people in the game and make them invincible, give them access to all items, gear and weapons, while working as close as possible to a real raid. Therefore you could do the testing such as Airwing and the community do far easier and with better results. I dont think giving access to code or more in-depth mechanics would be smart but maybe create tools that interpret stuff like ammo penetration and fragmentation chance and allow you to tweak them a bit. For example, you want to know what is causing a certain armour bug. If you could lock bullet characteristics to one specific value you could possibly more easily deduce which one of those characteristics is causing the problem with a step by step proccess. I guess it would give the community a chance to experience a part of development of the game and potentially help the devs get better feedback without it feeling like the community is trying todo their job (even if helping the dev procces itself would probably help them greatly too) Edit: ight i guess it exists already. Well im pretty new to the game, my third and first proper wipe. I guess i know now.

[@TimTosser]

They do

[@BadSubi]

People are do outta touch with this game....they have test servers which are under NDA

[@imoosemaster3087]

This is awesome information, can you guys do helmets aswell? i had .366AP and AP20 blocked by the Peen helmet countless times, M80 blocked by a Neosport and T46M blocked not one but 2 shots to the front of a Ulach. The ricochet stat is no longer on the inspect of any helmet but im pretty sure its still active in the game. 7.62 PS on the other hand has no problem cutting through the Green class 4 helmet from peacekeeper. With the higher pen of the first 4 rounds i mentioned, its interesting to see that the lower pen of PS is actually capable of penetrating class 4 helmets however the higher tier ammo is not. There's a lot of new things to learn with the armor changes but the inconsistency of helmets is getting me killed more often than not if i don't hit that face hit box. i took 3 7.62 ps rounds to a class 3 face shield and then the fourth bullet hit my helmet and killed me instantly. I can't figure it out but there are definitely rounds you should not be using at this time regardless of their stats.

[@PboiStrider]

Great work man, BSG should be doing this before they release it tho haha

[@ArcticWipeout]

The only truly baffling death I've had this wipe was when I was wearing a level 4 chest plate with level 3 aramid, directly facing a scav and it one shot me with a standard 12 gauge lead slug in the chest. My plate and armour was not damaged at all previously. Just boom, dead. My plate should have stopped that slug dead, let alone the aramid. But it was genuinely like I wasnt wearing any armour at all.

[@jlzzzr]

had this 3/4 tiomes already this wipe. just dieing insta 1 tap to the chest/thorax whilst wearing level 4 armor.

[@canis_lupus_filius]

I used the press armor some this wipe oops guess were selling them now

[@Airwingmarine]

Yeah, they are pretty much junk until they get patched.

[@avgjoe646]

That you for your time end effort!!! Just stocked up yesterday on press armor... :D

[@laca6499]

Your dedication towards deep diving into Tarkov's mechanics and helping us with your learnings is insane. Much appreciated.

[@Jackpkmn]

I love the reaching for your mouse bumping it into your keyboard causing you to 1tap the testing guy helping you, hilarious circumstance.

[@avgdeagling]

This game is soo fucking trash hhahha

[@solemgameinsights]

Great video, Airwing. Wish I had the patience for being this thorough. Truly impressed with your eye for detail.

[@mr.carebears]

I checked out your music for the first time today. Great music good vibes. The fact you made it for streamers so they don't have to worry about copyright is extremely commendable. thanks for the videos and the good vibes.

[@IlsuemOkosch196]

Your content is so professional, you even feel the urge to honor everyone who helped you on this. It feels like you are a pure german dude, who is precise af. Precisley picking your words, precisley testing and mentioning everyone who has been part of it, honoring them, like you are not even try to say something is like this or that, if you don't exactly know it, you always add, that you are just guessing and so on. I only know this precision and accuracy, trying to be correct and straight about everything, from oldschool germans. I mean, obviously other folks can be like this as well, and I really do enjoy it, I think the world needs more people like this. Because it just makes your work undeniable and worthy. It's like I can't even find words for this, how good you provide informations. Maybe it is just a level of maturing you hit, besides of some other people, maybe coupled up with some higher intelligence, idk, it's just, you see, you are pretty great. On other dudes videos I find always some things which are stupid/annoying/incorrect or just some opinions which they make look like its a big fact, whatever. Can't find something here, since you pick your words so carefully, I guess. Well, just wanted to let you know, it's great, I really enjoy people like you, since there is many childish idiots out there today.

[@Airwingmarine]

I'm a big fan of "speak precisely" in order to avoid miss communication or misunderstandings. Thank you foe your kind words, it is great to read these in what sometimes seems to be an ocean of negativity. Oh, and no german here. Mostly Irish.

[@BloodSlay3r]

Great. I'm a press armor user. I spent AT LEAST a million so far on the press armor with a Level 4 plate in the Front cause I neglected that issue. Fuck me. I ran around with a paca for 60k all the time

[@guacamole2277]

The 6b23 can equip a back plate in game yet irl only had Kevlar in the back and couldn’t fit a back plate and even it can it was never issued and also 6b23 bagary defender and redut armors are supposed to work by the hard plate slowing down the bullet and blankets of Kevlar catching it, this was to reduce splash effect from ricochets on the steel plate which sometimes killed the soldier wearing it and is also why these armors are super heavy so just putting out there

[@liamisboss2]

yea, so the press armor stuff is just incorrect, shot a guy once in the arm and 2 times in the chest with fmj 7.62x54r it said i did 104 damage to body and 426 damage was absorbed by his armor, and he took 104 damage. the press armor 100% works and the front plates work. i have a clip if you really need it.

[@GLALV3]

Appreciate the hard work brother!

[@ChernobylLite1986]

I mean like it makes sense that a bullet will go through a plate your body then hit the back plate though especially if it’s a armor piercing round

[@Airwingmarine]

And magically ignore the aramid sandwiched between? Nah dude...

[@Grogthor]

Great information. Looking forward to further testing.

[@squirrelmageddon4479]

Thank you guys a ton for all the testing! I have been wearing the press Armor all wipe and I have been repeatedly getting killed by scavs with 12g slugs in one or two shots to the chest and now I know why.

[@knarfola]

Man the scope of planning and testing thankyou to you and everyone who helped

[@ntorok55]

Appreciate your vid. Also your gunsmith series is great. I like all the barters that you include. That has saved me a ton of money. Keep it up

[@voggers2593]

I wonder if some of these situations are caused by changes to mechanics not necessarily with armor, but with ammo. BSG might have touched fragmentation and ricochet to go along with the new armor system. I don't know if it is verifiable through testing, but maybe some of the weirdness is caused by high penetration bullets ricocheting or fragmenting on the plate or soft armor backer (causing it to do blunt damage or no damage to the player, but damage to the armor), or the bullet fragmenting after going through all the armor (causing it to one-shot or severely injure the armor wearer sometimes). For a long time the fragmentation mechanic didn't really seem to work, but I've been one shot this wipe many times now (even around armor, such as in the armpit) by rounds that simply wouldn't have the damage to do that without some change having been done to damage calculation. Fragmentation is kind of the low hanging fruit explanation for this, since it was a buggy system that was supposed to cause these kind of "critical hits" or "critical misses" like in many other RPG games.

[@thrustfrombehind9869]

5:25 TLDR; Its Armor Layering; if something goes through Front plate, Level 2 Aramid also gets added into the equation, stopping even more damage (Also, im not sure if the Aramid stops the bullets first, saving durability of your Front Plate)

[@Shadow-dy7oh]

yea, i dont understand why people dont understand that, its the old armour system from 2018 you could have worn a armor and a armored chest rigs and it double up on the armor. same concept here but with the plates and soft armor

[@ggavin5574]

Don’t quote me on this but they might have fixed the press armor now as it seems to have the front plate and such show up on the armored areas

[@TheRealSpek]

Not all heros wear capes, some eat crayons ❤💙. Watched most of these live. These tests broke my brain. Thank you sir 4 the info

[@grek_u]

Good job man!

[@Magswap]

I honestly don't understand why they don't just give you a testing account with everything unlocked for the sole purpose of offline testing. You'd be able to save months of pain for a lot of people, including BSG.

[@josh3615]

Great video. Keep up the great work AWM. We all really appreciate this. I had a few press armours in my stash that i run on more budget loadouts. You just saved me a world of hurt.

[@anr7560]

been watching your gunsmith vids for a while! ty for all the help

[@osscar-nh2vm]

Very nice job on the testings! Thankyou. Well we expected some bugs, and honestly I'm relieved only Zhuk-3 has that big issue with the plate.

[@jeffreygeee]

We reported these same issues in ETS and they promptly took down that release only about 24 hours after they released it lol

[@erstepa1]

As always, solid information. Really appreciate you taking the time to work through this for the community.

[@glen4662]

Thanks for the testing! Very informative😀

[@Skullbasher1322]

Thank you for putting out this video. I got killed wearing level 4 armor a few times to 1 bullet to the chest. I'd look up the ammo chart and see that it was impossible. Thought maybe they missed the plate, maybe that was still the case

[@grimreapaa4802]

great job. the finding with the high pen ammo is huge. mostly because in some instances youre doing double damage with these high pen rounds, resulting in the 1 shot kills. thats wild thank you for finding this

[@Ashen_Night116]

Tarkov devs can't code something without something else breaking horribly? Tell me something new.

[@Procedurallydegeneratedjohn]

​@@Ashen_Night116 whats funny is you think that coding is something thats easy

[@Ashen_Night116]

@@Procedurallydegeneratedjohn I don't think it's easy, I just know that Tarkov is basically 100% spaghetti code, considering all the shit that breaks every time they put out a new update, so stop moving your fingers on your keyboard to spew out low IQ posts.

[@TaylorWillis-f6w]

I found a Slick in a stash last night and decided to just run it. I’ve seen it said everywhere to just always run your best gear. I got one tapped by M80 to the thorax and hopped off for the night. I just chalked it up to a super lucky pen + maybe fragmentation, but this might explain it better. Ironically, the guy I was fighting ate 2 rounds of M80 to the thorax with a USEC armor.

[@reflexcreations_vrc]

Iv also noticed that each vest Hitbox size differs depending on what category of style armor it is. The koroz actually has a super small armor hitbox and 80% of the time you hit the stomach (which is only lvl 2 soft armor)

[@reflexcreations_vrc]

Vs like the diaper rig with lvl 4 with groin protection will protect you all around to the sides of the legs!

[@reflexcreations_vrc]

M-mac has the same size hit box as the slick but for some reason the ghazzel has a HUGE plate hit box. Shooting the stomach hits the thorax armor plate like every time. I def would like you guys to showcase the actual size that differs between sets of armors👍

[@jeremyrm7]

I unfortunately can’t remember a wipe I’ve played where any armours I had access to managed to save me from more than a scav but it’s always good to have the information

[@Chris_Hansen___]

Great work! I checked all of my press vests with level 3-6 plates and I don't have the plate bug. Works normal for me no issues

[@Slickersez]

i appreciate the work you put into this... had some incidents where my mosin shots were completely blocked by armor and i was confused af... so thanks for the video!

[@lukekopec8370]

When you have bugs like this, that happen "sometimes" its usually one of two things: 1. Race condition on damage being dealt vs the check against the armor status 2. Networking pack drops that cause the game to skip over a damage check.

[@thetaminus2334]

Hey Airwing! Your video and Giga came both as a great time to see what armor is working like. It seems that the armored rigs behave like plates due to the plate hit boxes sharing it's properties. So, the MMAC stops bullets like a plate, but is less protective like a plate hit box.

[@_--__--___.3]

sooo mad after thinking i was doing something by throwing lvl 5 plates in the press vest to get them back with insurance. thanks for the vids all of your vids are great sources of info!

[@BigCheekyPanther]

Much love Fellow Tarkovian! Thanks for all the help and guidance!

[@unconfirmed1532]

So much info. Great work!!

[@rondonthepeopleschamp5183]

Appreciate you slaving away trying to figure this stuff out to make our raids better...sooner or later.

[@gunjamed93]

Thanks for doing the testings!

[@truly7855]

My press vest shows the additional front plate in my vest. Not sure if its just a bug where it might not show up

[@giffordhart3162]

the press bug explains a lot. i put tier 5 & 6 plates in and ran a night thermal raid wearing a press. got 1 tapped thorax by m855. great vid as always!

[@acidpoptart4270]

From my understanding some of the carrier rigs are using more 'plate style' aramid lining. as in the entire vest obviously is aramid but it's internal built in aramid 'plates' are fat layers of aramid. Then you have your plate plates. Some vests aren't like that but the fabric itself is aramid. So some vests you get have ballistic gel in the vest itself with plates you can put in or aramid lining underneath the aramid fabric lining and then plates under that. Additionally I think a lot of people are seriously confused on ballistics. Steel is going to have a harder initial stopping power but causing much much heavier and easier spalling (breaking and penetration of the steel overall, cracking etc) And once it's cracked it's basically good for nothing. So you can take a shot or two of a heavier caliber weapon if you got a IIIA Steel plate. IIA Will only really stop small caliber. Anything past that you are risking spalling pretty badly. Ballistic gel etc which is more prominent in IIIA and IVA Armor. Then you start to get like your multi material mixtures that use titanium/ballistic etc. But Ballistic gel DOESN'T spall as much given it's a gel... However It has a much more random chance at what penetrates what doesn't etc because it IS a gel. 7.62x52R will 100% rip through gel steel/concrete etc. There are more chances for it to stop mid gel or bounce on steel depending what grade of steel is being used. But low grade steel it doesn't stand a chance, and low grade Gel even if it is IIIA or IV wont stand a chance usually. out of 1/5 shots usually 4 will penetrate some powerful ballistic gel. The other thing I think people are overlooking is what type of cartridge is being used and how many grain is in that cartridge. You are going to have a much better experience with penetration and even spalling if you are running Steel core cases and the more grain you are going to have the more energy is going to be blasted into that vest. (I can only assume the devs have slightly integrated these effects. Why else would they go out of their way to put the description of what type of material it's made of and the grain that's used when they already have velocity etc statistics. I honestly haven't had any issues with people hitting me or me hitting people with my rounds and it not doing what I imagined it to do. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jnzNoKuGi86Ybqc Good steel plates preventing 7.62x54R rounds. kzbin.info/www/bejne/r5ibmoFoh8eBn5o Ballistic Gel preventing as well as having rounds pierce straight through. (even went through steel first before going into the ballistic) I could be wrong with all of this. I mean this is how it works in reality, it's a game at the end of the day. But it just doesn't make sense with all the descriptions and with all these different materials that it doesn't work this way. The plate bug thing though on the press vests is weird. I never actually noticed that.

[@urabraskthedeplorable725]

Thanks for the hard work, though I tabbed back to my game and found my press vest did have front and back plates listed. Was there a patch earlier today?

[@rre9121]

I'm so happy that developers don't feel the need to test patches before they release them.

[@slapchop7166]

Seriously, there is no words that can express how us, the community, not only appreciate but DEPEND on your content like this to help us wade through the confusion that can be the Tarkov system. VERY MUCH appreciate all the time spent on this!! Thank you!!!

[@videx6953]

I have been running this armor regularly and somewhat noticed this. Thank You for this, not running it from now on.

[@mattblack9073]

Thanks bud! Effin great work into these bugs!

[@Xhotic]

watching you guys exit the raid just to check damage dealt to armor/body on the OFFLINE MODE makes me think someway to check IN RAID (maybe just for offline mode, for testing) your current damage/damage to armor, healing, etc considering it should maybe only be in offline, dont think it would ruin any integrity or anything, cause man shooting one bullet just to press exit raid and load another 5 min loading screen, sheeeesh the dedication :)

[@Tyler-vx6hp]

Didnt know about the PRESS armor bug, huge reveal, thanks.

[@donner7708]

Protip to get class 5 plates: Fence rep 6 store sells gzhels like they are candy whenever he restocks ( most of the time ) and you can pull those T5 plates off and use them on other armor and sell the gzhels

[@ryanloney3448]

Damn nice work man, I knew some buggy stuff was happening, but not all the time and some armors seemingly just work better

[@dogwort]

Something I've noticed and not seen anybody mention, is that the armour is so much cheaper to insure now, because the plates aren't ( and can't be) individually insured. Same thing goes with helmets. I had a level 4 armoured rig insured for like 300 roubles and a level 4 helmet for like 300 roubles. You still get the plates back from what I can tell, but you don't have to pay extra for them, unlike attachments on a weapon for example, or ammo in a magazine.

[@dogwort]

I also just noticed KZbin unsubscribed me from your channel, so sick of this crap.

[@dogwort]

I just went and tried this again and it seems that it doesn’t work or is maybe specific to some armours and helmets cause I tried insuring some plates and I was actually able to for one of my armoured rigs. Not sure what was different. Time will tell.

[@dispatcher2243]

You are amazing doing the music and allowing to use it. Aboslutely a man of the people

[@ThatOneCWhite]

Appreciate the quick news! I've used the PRESS armor often and that sorta explains some of my deaths.

[@SentinelofWar]

Thanks for testing this stuff and explaining it.

[@BetterRhylek]

thankyou to everyone who brought this up, I thought I was just getting unlucky with some of these haha

[@cherotv]

Thanks for making this informational vid AW. 11:32 makes sense now. I had a slightly damaged class 6 THOR from a previous raid. Went in factory fresh and got one tapped chest by naked LPS mosin. Really racked my brain trying to figure out why and how that was possible on a tier 6 plate near full dura.

[@horridus8673]

Thanks Airwing I'm doing my part too! Love from Canada

[@IceGuadian]

My main question is how scavs with 5.45 ps have been ignoring my level 4 armor completely and 3 tapping me through it

[@heavysitter]

Great video explaining some of the finer details on the new system. Thank you Airwing!

[@Xhotic]

With the changes to armor can we ask for leg/elbow pads/armor now lmao seems best course of action is shoot head eyes or anything thats not covered by armor aka a lot of areas

[@g-stranger]

All I was using is Press vests, bc I could craft them in lavatory. Thank you for the info!!

[@Onceapilgrim]

Interested to hear about the good intel you gathered on the next one. Interesting about the press armour. Been running that a lot so good to know. Thanks for your efforts.

[@IBmizfit]

I have been 1 tapped by 9x19 PST through the T3 MBSS armor and 1 tapped by lead slug through T4 AVS plate rig. Got 2 shot by 9x19 PST through T4 as well today.

[@anotherkenlon]

The rigs missing the non-plate soft armors do have a downside - they don't protect *anything* but the plate region, where the other rigs provide the soft armor over the entire hitboxes, regardless of visual. Gigabeef has an excellent armor breakdown video that mentions this.

[@bingkingus]

So grateful to have you in the community airwingmarine! The game wouldn't be the same without your channel.

[@TheCharlemang]

I had a guy with .45 match bust through my gzhel plates before I could even bring my gun up. I can't wait to find one and see if the plate bug is present there too.