0x0010.2 - Resurrecting The 98 Machine

[@TechTangents]

For those who think the problem is related to the scan disk errors being thrown about the HDD, watch the first part of this video where I put in the previous boot drive for this computer and get the same error: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fXLOY4yKbbOqecU

[@blakecasimir]

Very late reply but for anyone experiencing these kinds of issues: It's really best to try diagnosing the supposedly failing drive in another machine. If it comes up fine, that immediately suggests another hardware fault in the original PC. i.e. PSU, RAM, mobo, all sorts of things can cause it. Even a dodgy IDE cable!

[@pubgkingfoxgaming5557]

i love windows 98

[@TrialMacameau]

The only conclusion is when you DD'ed the drive up, you might've DD'ed the problematic sector that shows you these errors in every HDD's you restore. That is no exception unfortunately...

[@abysal311]

You had two issues, the voodoo and a bad drive that bombed on hardware detect and driver installs. That's after you already fixed the voodoo. The bad sectors man...

[@CattoRayTube]

Who needs an enabled sound card when you can listen to that CD changer mechanism? 😍

[@TechTangents]

It is musical on it's own!

[@charliebrown1976]

It's producing its own EDM...

[@DerekWitt]

Chu-chunk! Chu-chunk! Make it so! :)

[@StevenOBrien]

SCANDISK: COULDN'T READ LAST CLUSTER ON DRIVE C ERROR READING SECTOR ON DRIVE C ERROR READING SECTOR ON DRIVE C ERROR READING SECTOR ON DRIVE C WINDOWS PROTECTION ERROR "Yeah, I think it's the graphics card" :)

[@Hydr8Man]

It’s been 9 months and im still dying about how he ignores the scan disk message and the sector issues

[@Timmymantwo]

Druaga2 Saves the Windows 98 machine

[@K5smold]

Tiny Plays hahah I was thinking the same thing...they sound the same!!! Lol I want into the comments to see if anyone else noticed

[@CattoRayTube]

I give this video a 98/100.

[@TechTangents]

Hmmm, so if I do a video on Windows 2000 does that mean I'll get an 00/100?

[@CattoRayTube]

AkBKukU I'll have to look into Y2K compliance haha

[@pubgkingfoxgaming5557]

f**k you your f**kng face

[@gustiwidyanta5492]

@@pubgkingfoxgaming5557 dude dont be salty.

[@gustiwidyanta5492]

@Omega oh, so thats how it is.

[@catriona_drummond]

Wonders how caps get knocked off his cards. stores his cards by throwing them into a box.

[@eduardoavila646]

Wow, steam in windows 98? Doesnt it tries to update and just breaks? Nice

[@budrekot]

Did anyone mention that win98 only supports 768mb of ram? Even with a registry tweek its unstable seeing as you have 1Gb That would explain the corruption.

[@stewiegriffin8563]

I think he has 512mbs

[@DVINTHEHOUSEMAN]

Windows 98 doesn’t support over 1.5 gigs iirc

[@connorm955]

Second edition? I've heard 1 gig is fine.

[@ericbradley5094]

Reminds me of when I gave my parents computer aids back in the day.

[@0xbenedikt]

16:00 These are no security screws. They are just regular Torx with a flat slot so that both bits can be used.

[@covet_dx11]

i really dont know how does that CD changer mechanism works inside that small box. Dont know if you have a video about it but your content is amazing. i would like to see you hit that Million.

[@dykodesigns]

Ever considered putting an Compactflash to IDE adaper in? It's really conveinent, I have done this on my old pentium 2 and this way I can easily switch between different OS versions / configuations and easily create backups of them.

[@TomasGregovich]

This is the kind of video I love. P.S. What is tha magical device at the beginning???

[@greggster990]

Its a toy Star Trek: TNG tricorder. www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Next-Generation-Tricorder/dp/B000BW0VS8

[@TechTangents]

Yep! I was waiting for someone to get it!

[@greggster990]

I mean what kind of Trekkie can not tell what a Tricorder sounds like.

[@daviddavidsonn3578]

$114 for an old toy... people are INSANE

[@ZeaZolf]

Did you get that wallpaper from the Voodoo 3 driver disc?

[@marceloalencar_]

That's a really cool color scheme, where did you get it?

[@TechTangents]

I made it. Windows applications in this era respected the OS's UI toolkit much more than now. It's difficult to get away with a light on dark theme in modern Windows because a lot of developers hard code black text but not a light background.

[@marceloalencar_]

+AkBKukU Oh, someone really do read the comments! Excellent videos!

[@Paperclip8902]

Where did you find that case. Even my full ATX case is not big enough (Damn ribbon cables)

[@TechTangents]

That case is straight out of 1999. There are some modern gigantic cases, but finding one like this isn't easy.

[@EnriqueSanchez]

i got a question. how were you able to make the background dark inside folders?

[@nviso209]

Ha nice find at Goodwill! I found a Quadro 2 in there once for $0.25! Still works fine to this day and it ran Half-Life 2 pretty well 6 months after it was released.

[@Casp3r.aka.Droid.]

It's just the way the machine looks the way it sounds when you click the keys the old school games I've been retro-gaming like crazy reliving all my childhood games

[@sezaiaydin08]

Can ı Ask you something? How can you load your computer steam app

[@zsomborudvari8974]

What's the name of that black display theme that's on the Win98??

[@KOningNoviPoes]

ive had these like problems whit linux once i couldnt pay for new hardware so i just reinstalled linux and that worked for me i dont know if it will for 98 didnt you already tried to reinstall 98?

[@robertwadsworth5226]

Did you ever install the unofficial SP-3? Did it for my oldster, and it works OK

[@alhartman66]

Hqave you tried running Spinrite on the drive that has bad sectors?

[@funnypranker34]

akBKuKu what is the full model of that slot loading cd drive that holds 4 cd's?? Is there a DVD variant? I want one of those for a future windows 98 build.

[@TechTangents]

Here's my video where I cover it in depth a bit more: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hpargIdoe6iDhMk I don't know the exact model number(it may show up in POST) but the model line was called MultiSpin. I'm not aware of a DVD version. Fair warning, it is very slow. It is a 6x drive. That means it's at least 8 times slower than a newer drive.

[@SenileOtaku]

Now I'm remembering some hack I used to use back in the W95/W98 days. I'd delete all the .pnf files, then there was some registry tree I would delete which would "remove" all the system devices (presumably I would already have all the .inf files in the inf directory. Reboot the system and it would re-register all the devices. Of course it's been probably 15 years since I've installed a physical W98 system (never got into gaming either).

[@AMDX1325]

What computer do you use to edit your videos?

[@ericbradley5094]

Can’t believe I only found this channel now. Holy nostalgia. Get some more videos with quake 2 and command and conquer 😊

[@a_lilypup]

How does the Windows 98 pre-loading screen have full color even in 16 color mode?

[@MatthewCenance]

Yeah, I have no idea on how they did this.

[@mspeter97]

Apparently, it's displayed in a special 320x400 VGA mode that allows up to 256 colors on screen

[@SyphistPrime]

A tip if you're using DD to do clones. Try adjusting the block size. I personally do bs=4096 on SATA drives and it works great. Not sure if it will do as well with IDE though.

[@Casp3r.aka.Droid.]

Well I want to Windows 98 machine so bad now you got me so hooked to these old computers and I want an old Mac

[@cleanycloth]

I've had this same issue with a PCI USB card I bought off eBay a while back, based on an NEC chipset. As soon as the drivers loaded on my Pentium II, it resulted in an instant crash, and from that point on, rebooting into Windows would crash at the splash screen. Attempting to use it on a far more modern Windows 7 PC resulted in a "hardware malfunction" blue screen. I did get a replacement and that one works nicely. I think I could probably just stuff the bad one (which they didn't ask for back) into the oven for a moment and "cook" it back to life :P

[@procta2343]

I have had the same issue too, with older boards with USB PCI the system would not wake up at all.

[@Jigglenomicon]

Watches the video.. Notices the Voodoo card is the same model as i have.. My card have been acting up while trying to install drivers and playing games... Check my card... a cap is missing as well !

[@FeelingShred]

China... China...

[@lrochfort]

I have that very Voodoo 3 with the same missing SMD caps. I put some back on and it works great now, but dear god does it run hot!

[@ImpetuouslyInsane]

Did you seriously scan that computer with a Tricorder? That's as dorky as me using a PKE Meter.

[@Lethaltail]

S.M.A.R.T. Capable but Disabled

[@mvShooting]

Sounds like me.

[@FeelingShred]

I still use Winamp to this day, even on Linux/Wine

[@r.shackleford4437]

So which version of winamp do you use with wine? Mine has a glitch that messes up the audio

[@FeelingShred]

Version 5.666 (I'm not even joking, that's the number...) I think that was the last ever released version, so they kept it at 5.666 like that, too funny xDDD

[@FeelingShred]

It's been years, but if I recall correctly the first time I tried using Winamp with Wine there were issues with the audio as well... Then you gotta go to Options and change the Output sound to something else, then it works without hiccups. VLC has the same problem sometimes, have to pick different output modules both for video and audio to work.

[@DannyCodePlays]

*properly seats the sound card while computer on* 😂🤓😂 I'm FAIRLY certain that junk ain't hot-swappable. EPIC!

[@kcinplatinumgaming2598]

You may also have an issue with the USB HUB controller 14:41 mins in.. BSOD in VXD driver, lol sorry used to fix Windows 95, 98 & NT systems all the time infact it could be where the cluster damage is in.. the INF and drivers folders???

[@truebadassfilms]

I’d switch to Win2K, most of my vintage PC’s use 2K and it MUCH more stable, as well as having better driver support.

[@ianide2480]

Yep, there is no real difference between XP and 2K drivers. Most of the time the same exact driver package was used for both. The only reason I quit using 2k was because of MS dropping support for it. I used it forever though.

[@Blustride]

I think there are a couple of reasons to at least have a 98 partition. 98 allows you to play late DOS games natively. My personal reason for keeping Windows 98 is because MechWarrior 3 just doesn't run on anything with the NT Kernel. No clue why.

[@FeelingShred]

it's such a shame that Dosbox' source code was never released so the community could polish it, some late-era DOS games (the heavy, SVGA ones) run like dogshit on it... Do you know what would be the virtual machine solution that requires the least amount of disk space to run? I would only need it for DOS games.

[@Overlandpage55-theOG]

how did you get steam on there

[@plamendimitrov5762]

You definitely getting my thumb for repairing the card but say, is that voodoo 4 operational? - cuz if it is would really like to see a video about it! (specially testing one specific game that I made a bet will run on 3dfx hardware but never managed to obtain 4500 or stronger :( )

[@TechTangents]

I tried chucking it in there before and didn't get anything out of it. I plan on trying to make it work at some point but I don't have high hopes. I do have... something else... that I will be doing a video with later. If you want to send me the game I can try it out on that. It will take me some time to get to it though. It's a really far off video. Additionally, what 3DFX development software are you using? I'm thinking about doing something similar in the future and would love to know what is out there and working.

[@plamendimitrov5762]

+AkBKukU you have 1 new mail!

[@shadowthebear8512]

I like that no signal screen, I think it's kind of cool.

[@cinquecento1985]

you are doing a well thought out trouble shooting. reminds me of the old days. I'm just starting to watch, and my feeling tells me it is the power supply. Its started to to fail, when you added that wonderful cd changer, and you got a of stuff connected in there.

[@roelofjan1986]

Whaha you are a Trekkie, i love it

[@maximblinov6996]

I have this exact same Motherboard + CPU config. For maximum authentic sound effects, add in a SCSI controller and 4 *BIG* SCSI drives.

[@MoTown44240]

Nice tower. Lots of room. Surprised you didn't install Windows 98SE.

[@danilojelovacsrb-rstv3376]

Then 99SE

[@solarstrike33]

What are the specs of this machine by some chance?

[@TechTangents]

Basically, every other part is better than the Voodoo 3. I built it so the GPU was the only limiting factor. I'm not even sure what the CPU is, maybe POST says, but it's got 1GB of RAM. That's about all I am concerned about for specs

[@solarstrike33]

Why not stick in something stronger like a GeForce 4 Ti 4x00?

[@RetroMarkyRM]

What a great channel. Gonna binge watch this one :)

[@jasonhowe1697]

in board you likely don't have the juice from psu to power everything in the pc, most likely, if the mainboard actually supports more ram i would add it.. i suspect the combination of 3 cd and 2 floppy drives likely consumed more power that was available..

[@KozenaDrzka]

I wonder how many people understood tricorder reference.

[@BobM925]

I've got one of those tricorders, and a matching phaser I need a Win98 machine though!

[@billy-waynejeffcoat4828]

I'm sure you can go to his source of graphics cards to get one. *aka goodwill

[@jonathanomeara6818]

felt your pain all the way through this congrats on happy ending

[@andresz1606]

Idea for a video, and this PC: Try to update to Win98SE, then Me, then 2000, XP, Vista, 7 and 10 but never formatting, only using the installers upgrade mode, to see how far are drivers avaliable for such hardware.

[@DxDeksor]

I found 10 voodoo 3 3000 last summer with some broken caps, ans none of them gave me problems under windows 95 even with some stress (ocing them, running 3Dmark 99, etc ...) I don't think these caps are all that important

[@TechTangents]

You have 10 cards so you would have had more experience then. I've only had two data points to work with: Card with no cap == does not work Card with cap == does work I'm sure it will also depend on which cap is missing. Lots of devices state they need capacitors in the datasheets. Sometimes you can get away with omitting some of them, but not always.

[@DxDeksor]

Well I had every kind of card, some even had the complete row missing. However depending of how well the chips on the card were manufactured I guess it can have an impact. But that could be a completely different reason than the card itself, maybe the AGP port was just not clean enough Or 98 really didn't like that bad sector with that configuration. It happened to me that bad hdds could lead to weird issues even though the installation behind it was fine. But just like you, it feels better when the hardware is "complete" hence why I recapped every single card I had

[@HappySlappyFace]

Deksor what do u mean missing Like broke off Or a clean unsoldered place If broken then that's wierd If not that's ok

[@DxDeksor]

Yeah they broke off, the solder was still there with remains of the metal legs in it, but these caps were gone. This was an easy fix though as no solder pad got lifted.

[@chakyikac6781]

Failing/flimsy PSU caused me ~10-15 GB worth of bad sectors on one of my drives. HDD regenerator saved the day. (... or should I say a week, 'coz it took that long o fix all of them)

[@MKlol2]

Wait STEAM on W98?

[@garbleduser]

I think issues will continue to arise from ageing caps, especially those in the PSU. Furthermore, if you are not currently familiar with the piece of software called Spinrite for data recovery and disk maintenance, you should be. It is actually worth paying for!

[@endersftd]

I had that exact CD changer and I clearly remember the absolute mechanical racket it made every time you booted up. I got so sick of it - good thing the drive was a Goodwill find.

[@nickwallette6201]

Wait, is this not how Win98 always runs?

[@neuman356]

Man, that brings back memories...

[@CecilTheDarkKnight234]

Oh trust me i know the feeling "or use to" of having to many computer parts laying around, right now I've consolidated most into a plastic tub & ram/video cards/sound cards into ziplock bags. You're not going to get any form of judgment from me lol

[@ducpham5084]

Your computer is lost signal???????

[@TBL_stevennelson]

Nice start to the video

[@endersftd]

That tricorder noise... I remember it well.

[@AxiomofDiscord]

Nice watching someone work with a less than professional soldering iron like the one I got ... hell just upgrdaded to something that was not radioshack trash.

[@kcinplatinumgaming2598]

Dont get me wrong stating about scandisk being not the issue its always a good thing just to do it anyway occasional to remove the tag set by the registry when booting and windows starts just to be safe because eventually it will come up with drive issues and then start corrupting the drive if windows does not repair clusters correctly .. good video though -- there are applications that can regenerate the drive if the sector are damaged this does not mean the drive is failing just means the filing system is corrupted!

[@u263a3]

Aren't you glad we're not using Windows 98 anymore?

[@DerekWitt]

0:00 He's dead, Jim!

[@chaoticsystem2211]

There's nothing graceful about Windows 98....

[@MakarovFox]

this remember me to Druaga1

[@PROSTO4Tabal]

Ecs motherboard is crappy, at least need recap for stability and bios update. Clean all contacts, check psu and caps too. Cpu thermal compound and cmos battery

[@GEORGE-jf2vz]

When you have to use herculean efforts to get a piece of hardware to work, throw it away. Your sanity will thank you.

[@Bimeerwa]

that pc is very snapy

[@bradsmith8977]

Hey you need half -life 2 collectors edition to play on Windows 98 anymore.

[@metalworksmachineshop]

that CD changer sounds like the Marilyn Manson song, The Beautiful People.

[@turkyandgravy]

I legit thought I was watching a Druaga video for the first 10 minutes.

[@HappySlappyFace]

Ryan Mattox well he is druaga2

[@tylerdean980]

Why is your taskbar so thicc?

[@berownik1246]

14:40 great job bill

[@oppo_guy1904]

20:34 Guy: *Realizes there is sound with no sound card* AHHHHH!!!!!

[@danielgroenewald3006]

Here from the Gamers Nexus LTX colab

[@moonbase__]

I think the Hard Drive is ded.......I'm a little late ik lol

[@FeelingShred]

Hard drives killed by Windows?? No waaay!! (sarcasm) Funny that different versions of Windows that I tried to install told me that my hard disk was dead... I'm using Linux for 2 years now (Xubuntu 16.04) and I still use the same disk. It doesn't make all the noise that is very noticeable from Windows computers and I can read all my files. Some problems happen when I try to write big chunks of data on it, but still I can read all my mp3 collection and already installed game collection just fine on the NTFS partition. The EXT4 partition I created (on the same disk) never had write issues, ever. All hail Linux I guess.

[@willthor6639]

Love the tricorder

[@typicalpctech6674]

I know you probably don't want to hear this, but ECS is a very shady motherboard company! While it may work randomly that could be a separate issue if not the main issue. Then again, maybe you got the only one that works! :D I used to have an NEC 6x4 CD drive, it died a very early life! I haven't watched the whole thing yet. :( Sorry I hope you get this back to working, I know how it is to struggle with PC's...

[@typicalpctech6674]

The Sound Card and USB card was conflicting? That's why 98 disabled your sound card possibly, or due to it being dislodged. :P

[@Tovvvija]

The Voodoo who do, what you don't dare to people.

[@lookelly4082]

Sure you have run safe mode

[@XiaoSha.]

hey AkBKuKU i have same problems and i use bootlog.txt will fix problem

[@PaullyBoiPlays]

That cd changer sounds like a printer lol Also that that background is edgy

[@slendi9623]

the reason ur mouse is not working is because you removed it from autoexec

[@pubgkingfoxgaming5557]

update to windows 10 for free

[@Ice_Karma]

Oh, man, I remember this bullshit with Win98. =S Mmm, I remember that Matrox. 2D was great, but the 3D software renderer was better than its 3D hardware. ;3

[@ericthom726]

Need parts management. Think Myth Busters. This is why 98 sucked these BS type errors

[@Uzmanist]

14:36 xD

[@Meton12765]

LOL. Dude just randomly pulls the most stable and most backwards compatible AMD Athlon system with the only CPU+Chipset combo that isn't plagued by hw bugs or shitty drivers. SiS7xxx-series, Thoroughbred Athlon "1800+" i.e. it runs at 1.5Ghz. And the chipset is actually seriously fast with dual-channel DDR1, a SiS76x or maybe the one before it. SiS735 :D And then, goes against the most popular trend of the time, which is to try and fit the fastest GeForce 2/3/4... or the fastest Radeon R100/R250/RV300-series GPU possible into it, and just goes ahead and pairs it with a goddamn 3DFx VooDoo 4 4500. Essentially creating high-end PC Workstation-level performance with a low-end budget. Just before AMD64 came along and nuked the whole PC desktop (performance) market to hell, both the gamer rig and the ultimate hacker rig are in an exceptional case for the time are completely indistinguishable from each other, and only those with a keen eye have ever spotted this for what must be the most ultimate of the most ultimate universal retro-rigs, ever? Only if you update 3DFx VooDoo4 with 3DFx VooDoo5. :D

[@hughjass1355]

I love the 98 vids

[@DiskWizard001]

Check your RAM, Luke (c)

[@titmouse-distribution]

02:00

[@jjohnson71958]

Try making the hard drive the bootable master

[@bennysnod4928]

He's dead Jim 😢

[@ianide2480]

Please get some solder wick and some flux... :)