AL Court RULES Embryos Are KIDS, Trump Team PLOTS ABORTION BAN

[@porkyrabbit]

Can I claim embryos as dependents on my taxes

[@berttorpson2592]

Women born with 300,000 ovum, that’s a $540,000,000 tax deduction

[@steven7936]

@@berttorpson2592 embroys are fertlized eggs.

[@brandonbiffykids1140]

Actually, that would be a great idea. And I think most pro-life people like myself would actually be in favor of that. It’s logically consistent with our view of life beginning at conception and would incentivize women to keep their unborn. Win win!

[@middleagedbaldguy6774]

@@brandonbiffykids1140 You think it comes down to a freaking tax return?

[@ash231]

@middleagedbaldguy6774 Is it a child or not? Y'all got to pick already. If embryos are human life and I've got 12 frozen then I've got 12 kids.

[@aiokii5052]

Does freezing embryos now count as "child abuse" in Alabama? Because I'm pretty sure locking my child in a freezer for an undetermined amount of time is child abuse.

[@HTtwentyten]

Your child won't be able to survive that treatment. An embryo can, for a certain amount of time. You're asking the wrong question.

[@skramzy6628]

@@HTtwentyten You're assuming there's a difference between a child and an embryo. Apparently, The Holy Lord disagrees with you. Or at least the judge in Alabama who's appointed himself to act on God's behalf.

[@HTtwentyten]

I made a distinction between a child and an embryo because that category difference is useful to predict the ability to survive freezing. Both are human lives. Try again.@@skramzy6628

[@dustinsindledecker154]

​@@HTtwentytendude the Alabama supreme court just said an embryo is a human. So we have to treat embryos like they are people

[@curious011]

@@skramzy6628 The Bible says nothing about unborn children. This is a bunch of idiots that think they understand the scriptures making laws on behalf of their own ignorance.

[@coreysanders3766]

If a frozen embryo turns 21 can it drink alcohol?

[@dustinsindledecker154]

Can I teach my 16 year old embryo how to drive.

[@PotbellyPunch]

Embryos don't age they can be suspended in a state of development. Humans who have gone past the embryo stage cannot be suspended in their development. Embryos do not have an age

[@jl4018]

@@PotbellyPunch how do they not have an age? they exist and everything that exists has an age. you can say their development suspends but that would give them 2 ages. Development age and time since conception age. We typically have another age that is used more commonly which is a time since birth age.

[@Ellis_Dee25]

How old for gender affirming care?

[@avgroupltd3481]

It can in Alabama :)

[@davidalmeida2991]

As an European, it seems to me that a secular Republic shouldn’t be ruled based on “sacred scriptures”. Any judge that rests his decisions based on religious beliefs is utterly unfit for the job! And to add insult to injury, the US government is always looking down at theocracies like Iran but then let these kind of insane episodes happen inside their own judicial system.

[@bevtaylor5466]

Keep in mind this is happening in a Republican controlled state at a time when that party has become increasingly extreme. This kind of insanity doesn’t happen with judges appointed by Democrats and increasingly people who are traditional conservatives are alarmed about what has happened in the GOP.

[@blammela]

Exactly:

[@calvinhoward3808]

Iran is the only theocracy besides the vatican

[@cameronhoward99]

Whi said we're a secular republic?

[@heyitsme881]

Secular republic?? Where’d ya get that??

[@nonsequitur001]

"SCOTUS" stands for "Supreme Court of the United States". This is the Alabama Supreme Court.

[@loganhall3477]

SCOAL

[@hooplawithbilliesue8143]

AL(Alabama) SCOTUS. Add commentary that is relevant so you don't show your obviously biased ignorance .

[@meanderinoranges]

But they need to make "honest" mistakes like this, or they won't be able to rile up the ignorant masses properly.

[@strawbearrySmoothie]

It's good click bait I guess... 😒

[@meanderinoranges]

@@hooplawithbilliesue8143 Alabama Supreme Court of the United States? Yeah, maybe you should rethink that. It's just ALSC or SCOAL.

[@marksanders60]

I really appreciate a level-headed discussion on this topic from these two women who completely disagree with eachother.

[@GlutenEruption]

Agreed, healthy discussion with mutual respect is so important. We really need to work towards getting back to that

[@torsteinhvitur1656]

Agreed...crystal acts a lot more mature when she's partnered with Emily

[@sherrykumar2883]

I share your perspective; it's disheartening to witness the comment section not meeting the same level of constructive discourse.

[@highdesertbiker]

@@torsteinhvitur1656 I like her with Emily and Saager with that other dude

[@SteveJonesOwnsDSP]

This is because they have a shared financial interest and need to work together. If they did not need to rely on each other in this way, we would likely see more pushback and truth-telling as you see Krystal go off on some interview guests.

[@LoveFactorySweatShop]

This is the best thing to happen for the Pro-Choice movement on an election year.

[@aust.in2586]

As a pro-choice voter I'd prefer someone who doesn't have the approval rating of Joe Biden. It may be the best thing to happen to his campaign, however

[@jackeagleeye3453]

@@aust.in2586 I'm in the same boat, I'd prefer a different candidate, but at the same time, there's no way in hell we should let Trump get back in office.

[@curious011]

true

[@jonathan7249]

So you chose to have masters to dictate how you live and die like well-trained law obeying slaves?? 😂😂😂

[@TexanIndependence]

@@aust.in2586 How is this good for pro-choice people? All I see is this puts us on a path to civil war. And as John Stewart's Daily Show said recently in Keppler's focus group of random Arizonans, the red side of two guys one practices with guns regularly the other is a military veteran, while the blue side didn't own guns and the two guys said their skills would be "being a leader and critical thinking", and Keppler was like "this is why the blue side is f*cked"... Honestly, we Republicans may just decide to follow the French farmers, Dutch farmers, and now Polish farmers' examples and just blockade New York like the French farmers blockaded Paris (and the politicians just caved to all their demands, like Biden caved and surrendered the US borders to Gov. Abbott in Texas who seized them from the feds and is now building Texan military bases on them). There's already a trucker movement to stop shipping to New York (that will probably fail because as prices rise, some truckers are going to be tempted by the higher pay), it's only a matter of time until those truckers see that just refusing shipments doesn't work and they have to actually blockade the city. We haven't QUITE reached that breaking point yet, but things are getting close to it.

[@sleepy_onion4838]

Emily “ the American people definitely aren’t with us” but I’m more than happy to undemocratically force our minoritarian views upon them.

[@Papgh8350]

And still continue to identify as a 'populist'

[@TonyMezaXD]

So true. I hate how Conservatives consider themselves the "facts don't care about your feelings" crowd then go on to support things like this because of religion.

[@bmass0828]

Like how people forced trans on the rest of us?

[@bmass0828]

@@TonyMezaXD Y'all support fake genders the same way they support a fake god. Y'all are just talking past one another at this point.

[@TheRockerX]

Did someone force you to transition? @@bmass0828

[@thealternative9580]

Conservatives want people to believe they are moderate and well meaning people and they aren't they are radicals either of the free market or religious kind or both.

[@krim7]

It is an unholy alliance

[@nickchapman3199]

Stfu psycho

[@JP-re3zg]

The party of small government strikes again! Telling you what you can and can’t do with your own body.

[@masonboitnott3845]

Didn’t big gov do the same?

[@rikmichaels9233]

@@masonboitnott3845I don’t think you understood the comment

[@masonboitnott3845]

@@rikmichaels9233 definitely did.

[@FazeParticles]

we don't like reagan you goofball! he gave us no fault divorce, lol. boomers like him but that's because they're ignorant. lack of reading up on reagan and such. and jimmy carter did not exude strength so any republican was beating him.

[@irvingdelgado1731]

Conservatives hate freedom

[@jdcole333]

Did Emily just try to rationalize use of the term Christian Nationalist?

[@anthonytwohill9726]

She's been trying that for a while. She's in favor of that.

[@brianm6965]

Feels like Christian Nationalists are coming out of the closet on what they really think.

[@christianauldridge1264]

Christian nationalist is a huge thing here in America lol Ask me how I know as a regular church goer

[@ciscornBIG]

It'll be good for you. And if not, you probably weren't going to be helpful anyway.

[@justingibbons2696]

Yes she did. She's also stated she is in favor of child labor so kids can start saving for college. She's so fuccin stupid.

[@ecamormex]

In other news, an egg salad can now be labeled as a chicken salad.

[@ceciliadiaz4222]

😂😂😂

[@meeep9099]

I don't know about you weirdo but the rest of us don't eat fertilized chicken eggs

[@tannermclaughlin5001]

@@meeep9099 that you know of

[@ecamormex]

@@meeep9099 So you don't eat chicken?

[@jarrodkober]

"Pro-life," until the child is born... Then you're on your own! Don't care if the kid is going hungry or doesn’t have health insurance! Gotta make and have kids! No birth control is probably next. Completely absurd. Better have a better social safety net if you’re gonna force everyone to have kids to suit your beliefs

[@dustinsindledecker154]

These same people don't care when kids get shit at school

[@PotbellyPunch]

Not true, pro life pregnancy centers provide resources for mothers and babies around the country and many churches and religious organizations help needy mothers and children as well. Making strawman arguments weakens your position. Please do better if you wish to convince others.

[@CharveL88]

@@PotbellyPunch They can't. It threatens their ability to have carefree sex without the responsibilities that can come with it. Quite simple actually.

[@Lebennin]

@@PotbellyPunch Pro life pregnancy centers, most of which are religiously affiliated, typically offer services like pregnancy tests and sometimes resources like diapers or baby clothes, alongside counseling with an anti-abortion message. But some resources come with strings attached - free baby clothes and other supplies, for example, are only available if patients took workshops or classes, some of which had a religious component. Wholly insufficient and manipulative. There's your steelman.

[@bmass0828]

Buddy, we both know having a kid would be a blessing for you. Because that would mean that a real woman actually let you near her. Here's a bright idea, wrap up. Wild concept, am I right?

[@jagger3600]

How many times do conservatives need to get smacked around on this issue before they drop it?

[@GS-kj5pc]

They will never drop it, because it's not based in logic.

[@meelash1]

Idiots. Just stop talking about murder!

[@Mageroeth]

They wont drop it because this is cause alot of them actually believe in, i dont think its a grift. I do think alot of it coming from dead states that are generally poor and have low population and massive brain drain.

[@MacTheSeraph]

Maybe they would drop it if the other side would just admit that it’s infanticide rather than saying “My body, my choice!” Or “It’s just a clump of cells!” What makes any of you think those are valid arguments? I could just as easily provide nonsectarian arguments against abortion if you’d like, but this is ridiculous. Neither side is winning because neither side is using science or reason to come to these conclusions. But I agree, it would so much easier for Republicans to win if they would let go of this issue, but the Conservative movement will never let that happen.

[@thesagetraveler7649]

Until human life is protected at all stages. This is a human rights issue. I'm glad conservatives didn't give on things like slavery as well.

[@keiththoma2559]

These judges are nuts. Freedom of religion means people can pick and follow their religion and not have other's religious views forced on them.

[@tammyschilling5362]

has nothing to do with religion. These are human beings. That's science, not religion.

[@TheSanduskyTickleMonster]

As long as it’s Christianity.

[@peterroberts4415]

@@tammyschilling5362 I agree with you (I'm not religious and pro life), but the ruling mentioned God several times to put it lightly

[@meelash1]

There's no such thing. You always have some religion or other.

[@serjarmen]

@@tammyschilling5362the question is not scientific, it's not if it's human life or not, it's when do humans have the right to life.

[@nelsonhamilton8262]

Using the Bible as evidence for a court decision is wild but theocracy is the end goal.

[@jacobzindel987]

As an atheist, I'd take their theocracy over whatever deranged child sacrificing Marxian Satanism is being pushed by the left.

[@LogicalReasons]

It's definitely not the angle. It's it's definitely a fake issue that's for dividing working class citizens So they can continue robbing you

[@matten_zero]

The world you end up with when you discard religion is fairly morally bankrupt. Self centeredness is an all time high and declining birth rates is a big contributing factor.

[@idealmasters]

​@@matten_zero yeah tell that to the middle east. Organized religion has no place in the state.

[@_Stin_]

Religious law - Scary... This judge just completely ruined his credibility in 99% of the world. What a complete idiot. Having said that, who on Earth employed him as a Judge of Law? O_o Who's the bigger fool, the fool or the fool who follows him?

[@whoever79]

When does life begin? If we are going to go by the science of biology it is at conception. I am not and have never been religious. But the flippant attitude towards the question of whether abortion is murder or not is astonishing. We are raising the question of human life and pro-abortion advocates display a total lack of conscience with amorphous definitions such as "a heart beat" or "when the baby can survive without the mother." No. Life begins at conception. Only once this fact is accepted can the morality of abortion be raised in any honest capacity.

[@tradeprosper5002]

Human beings are not single cell critters. At least for me, a human being only exists after gestation has developed many complex systems. DNA is just a blueprint. Due you consider a blueprint a building? No, it takes time, labor, and materials to make either one. Conception is just the start of the process.

[@curious011]

Life is not defined to a certain time. We make all that up ourselves.

[@whoever79]

@@tradeprosper5002 Without conception, a human being will never exist. From the moment of conception, a unique organism defined by a unique genetic code is created that if uninterrupted will be born, live, and die, as a human being. Do you understand how irresponsible and morally unconscionable you are to declare these unfounded definitions "because I kind of sort of think this is when someone is a human?" The matter of humanity is not a matter of "well I kind of sort of maybe think because of reason x, y, z this is a human"

[@TheSanduskyTickleMonster]

In Alabama life begins when a guy realizes his cousin is kinda hot .

[@cultofthorn]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Cole205]

Funny how this is the stereotype but we have data that cosanguineous marriage is very very rare in Dixie but, very common in in Pakistan, India and Bangladesh. However joking about Arkansas/Alabama is acceptable but speaking the truth about south asian culture will get you fired.

[@edmann1820]

Yeah I saw the daily show as well

[@jedison2441]

SOunds like you got triggered and making stuff up. "We have data", yeah we have historical Data on Alabama @@Cole205

[@anthonytwohill9726]

Desi might be a better host than Jordan. None of them are even close to Jon.

[@bradbesco6595]

I wonder if the same judge feels the destruction of representatives of His image in Gaza?

[@meelash1]

Probably. What an idiotic comment.

[@luisalejandro2335]

This will get deleted by BP but I’ll post it anyways. Thank Psalms 137:9 “Happy will be the 1 who seizes your children and dashes them against the Rocks”.

[@luisalejandro2335]

This will get deleted by BP but I’ll post it anyways. Thank Psalms 137:9 “Happy will be the 1 who seizes your children and dashes them against the Rocks”.

[@luisalejandro2335]

This will get deleted by BP but I’ll post it anyways. Thank Psalms 137:9 “Happy will be the 1 who seizes your children and dashes them against the Rocks”.

[@luisalejandro2335]

This will get deleted by BP but I’ll post it anyways. Thank Psalms 137:9 “Happy will be the 1 who seizes your children and dashes them against the Rocks”.

[@shanecrothers5792]

So if the power fails and all.those embryos ( die ) does the power company have to go to jail

[@ZackJRich]

That's why you shouldn't freeze embrios at all. Alongside many other reasons.

[@jordanduran1726]

I'm sure they have generators and safety measures in place for things like that already. Regardless, let's say power goes out and generators fail I would be curious who gets hung out to dry in court.

[@art-gx7qp]

The same logic should be applied that is applied for life support.

[@morgainenyc]

Yes. They would be serial killers.

[@StimParavane]

Depends on the intent. If they did it deliberately then yes.

[@BurroGirl]

Since when does a court get to base a decision on religion?!!!

[@foxooo]

Since republicans

[@matthewreed6512]

The judge interpreted the law through his/her moral foundation. If he/she is a Christian this judge holds to God's law first. We all have a foundation for our morals and ethics when dealing with the outside world. The same goes for any other judge. It's not wrong that the judge did this. Seeing as how most of the people where this judge is from are probably grounded in the same faith and have the same or similar values, it may be what's best for 'that state'. Remember that each state is like it's own country and if any power threatens our constitution or attempts to sidestep it or over reach, power is ultimately given back to the state to make its own decision. If you don't live there, it doesn't affect you. You can live in the state that best aligns with your legal and moral compass. I hope you do. If not, there are plenty beautiful places to live here in the U.S.

[@BurroGirl]

@@foxooo true!

[@BurroGirl]

@@matthewreed6512 um no, that reasoning is not correct. We are a country whose courts, federal or state, are required to rule based on law, period. What is written in a religious book is not law, period.

[@matthewreed6512]

@@BurroGirl Stating it as fact with period at the end doesn't make it true. Both red and blue have an issue of reinterpreting the law and attempting to change it to fit their own morals and beliefs. That comes from their PERSONAL interpretation. Their personal interpretation is not strictly based in law unless you would like to admit that there is objective law beyond a person's subjective opinion. We all have our own INTERPRETATIONs of the law based on our own morals, religious and cultural upbringing. What you believe to be correct. That's what the people in those chairs are using to interpret law with it's wording. If not, it's just words and everyone's opinion is trash and the law doesn't matter because it's tribalism. At least the judge has a good foundation for his decision. I don't agree that, in our current culture, dropping an embrio that has been frozen should leave you subject to murder charges. I do believe that more minor civil penalties are good. Accidents should be forgiven. I don't agree with abortion. In the circumstance, which does happen from time to time, when a mother's life is put at risk carrying a child to term, I believe that she has the decision to make, her life or the child's. As a husband I wouldn't make that decision for my wife and I wouldn't hate or resent her if she chose to have our child killed to save her own. I wouldn't agree or like it though.

[@1monki]

@26:53 The "natural" goal of this philosophy is theocracy. Be it Christian or Islamic, a theocracy is a theocracy. "Western culture" began with Zeus. I don't care what Zeus said, either. I'm not living my life governed by some ancient dictates because they're "traditional." A lot of dumb and dangerous ideas are traditional.

[@susanparker1323]

This country was founded on the concept that church and state are SEPARATE! keep your beliefs off my body!

[@thedelapo1606]

But also translittle kids Without their parents, permission and force people to get a vaccine. That's now proven to be detrimental.... You have no underlying principle you don't believe in bodily autonomy. You just believe in whatever you have to say to always be correct. My body my choice..... Unless it's About an issue that I don't agree with and then you have no right to do anything with your own body

[@charisma-hornum-fries]

SCOTUS already dismantled that by granting the same funds for Christian private schools and public schools.

[@syfyserpent6465]

Separation of church and state comes from a letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote to some churches, to assuage their fears about the federal government. In the letter he explains HIS views on the federal system. Its not in any official founding document. I've always found it weird how people cling to "separation of church" as if its of force.

[@acykat2069]

You have to be religious to believe a human life has value and must be protected?

[@curious011]

@@acykat2069 of course not but almost all pro lifers are christian. even though the Bible is silent on the issue.

[@CptApplestrudl]

Already curious about what kind of unforeseen legal consequences this is going to have.

[@WBWLM]

If you kill a pregnant lady, you will get 2 murder charges. I wonder why?

[@williamerazo3921]

Easy. Judge is using endorsements of religion to make a ruling.? 1 a

[@art-gx7qp]

Valuing human life maybe?

[@middleagedbaldguy6774]

@@art-gx7qp The invitro industry tosses close to 100k of viable embryos a year.

[@art-gx7qp]

@@middleagedbaldguy6774 then we need to fix that

[@kyzrk]

I love how we’re supposed to separate church and state but clearly that isn’t the case anymore.

[@meelash1]

It was always a hoax. How can you separate your morals from decisions to you make. Secularism has always just been code for forced atheism.

[@utah_koidragon7117]

There's nothing religious about this ruling. It's informed by science. And come on, I know you had one of those "in this house, we follow the science" signs in your front yard at some point.

[@WBWLM]

Biology 101

[@platoniczombie]

​@utah_koidragon7117 this isn't about religion....? Really...? Did you not hear what the argument was..? 🤔

[@hallucinatingsiren]

​@utah_koidragon7117 I'm pro-choice but somehow it's clear these embryos are more human than you are

[@conley2729]

Which means we get to claim them on our taxes and everything else

[@Raja1938]

Yep, watch Alabama's tax receipts go down the tubes.

[@meeep9099]

That would be a good thing do ir

[@firsthandnewz6491]

Under this interpretation of Alabama law, CPS can petition a juvenile court for temporary custody of an unborn fetus and force parents to participate in any service they can convince a juvenile judge is necessary to prevent "harm" to the fetus. This is a nightmare situation for privacy, individual rights, and family autonomy.

[@NihilSineDeo09]

Easy fix: update jurisdiction of CPS only to born human beings

[@philhiller-mn1gw]

No . Just people who hate life.

[@firsthandnewz6491]

@@philhiller-mn1gw you clearly haven't thought out how this affects people that aren't wanting abortions.

[@cronizle]

Great, every miscarriage gets investigated as a possible crime... that won't make a crap situation worse.

[@meeep9099]

Why Is it a crap situation? Nothing of value was lost.

[@cronizle]

@meeep9099 Value?... I get the implication, but no one is saying it's cool to abort a fetus because it has no value?? Plus, miscarriage implies that the mother was trying to concieve? It's analogous to the difference between giving away something and something being stolen. And my point is that miscarriages are a thing that happens to roughly 1/5 of all pregnancies, just naturally. But if the abortion pill causes a miscarriage and that's illegal in some states, then let me ask... How can you know? Other countries that don't have protections know. First, you would have to track all pregnancies, sometimes that involves reporting menstral cycles, then do an investigation of anyone who doesn't give birth. It will cost billions a year.... thanks conservatives. And FYI, it doesn't lower abortion rates, for that you need woke sex ed class in schools and improved access to birth control. I mean, anyone with enough money for a plane ticket will still get one. Plus, even conservatives get them. They just lie. 96 percent of fetuses diagnosed with Down syndrome are aborted... fun fact, but it can't be 96 percent unless Republicans are aborting them just as much as everyone else because they are dealing with the same chance of having a kid with the disease. Obviously, a miscarriage hasn't impacted you personally, but I doubt you would want your wife to be investigated and interviewed about what she did wrong to lose the kid and have to fill out affidavits while still in the hospital dealing with the loss. So, who's really devaluing life here?

[@meeep9099]

@@cronizle tldr

[@broteinstain8256]

OK so what happens when a freezer fails and thousands of embryos are destroyed. Who is going to pay for such a level of murder? How could you even litigate that when the murder of so many people is that unclear. What a stupid and ridiculous time we live in

[@thatguy913]

Could just ban freezing embryos. If their people kindaweird to just freeze them until a couple want a baby

[@marksanders60]

I think Krystal was spot on here. They have a duty to keep the embryos viable for as long as the patients want to keep them and should have mitigation plans. The cited example of the couple that could no longer conceive losing their chance to have another child sucks and there should be some liability on the company. Although I am sure you sign a release form preventing such lawsuits for cases like that.

[@art-gx7qp]

That's like asking what happens when a life support system fails

[@colinmetzger6755]

​@@thatguy913 that's also incredibly stupid though. This is being done for assisting people who want to have children to have children.

[@broteinstain8256]

​@@art-gx7qp Exactly but culpability is more clear there, a freezer can fail for so many simple reasons. A freezer could fail due to power outage. A person could accidentally unplug it, like when a college lost samples when a janitor Unplugged it. Would the janitor be charged with manslaughter of potentially thousands of people? I think It is clear that nobody really thought it through with how ridiculous it is to try and say that a fertilized embryo Is the same as a child

[@jesseolden2179]

Tiny bit irritated by people saying “frozen eggs” instead of frozen embryos. An egg is very different than an embryo. Common mistake people make. No bearing on the merits of the topic just wanted to put that out there

[@agoogleuser704]

Frozen eggs 🍳

[@theylied1776]

It's pronounced Alabamastan. And that Alabamastan ruling will be overturned. They actually used biblical text as part of their process. That is a direct violation of the establishment clause.

[@Cole205]

"-stan" simply means "land"

[@jposhpaws2588]

This is killing Trumps chances in November .

[@esnips123123]

Agreed, you be surprised how many irresponsible women are out there.

[@usun_politics1033]

The walls are closing in Drumpfh!!!

[@WeeedyMcMeth]

@@usun_politics1033I can’t tell if this is sarcastic or not😂

[@middleagedbaldguy6774]

@@esnips123123 Tell us you hate women and arent getting laid, ever, without saying it.

[@aust.in2586]

​@@esnips123123small penis alert 🔊 this man's penis is very small, I repeat, this man has a penis which is tiny🔊

[@roalvarez]

The Alabama supreme court justice is _begging_ for the Supreme Court to strike the law down with that religious reference.

[@Raja1938]

Would they though? I thought it's majority Catholic now.

[@roalvarez]

@@Raja1938 the SCOTUS has shown that it is a lot less "partisan" than people think. Separation of church and state is a principle very well enshrined in the spirit and letter of the constitution.

[@JaneFleesTexas]

@@roalvarezI would have to look up the cases but wasn’t there three recently - the website developer who didn’t want to make gay marriage sites - religious views protected vs anti-discrimination laws. Then the football coach that wanted to pray on the 50 yard line… his religious beliefs protected over not enforcing on others/students. Then one more regarding a state that didn’t want to find private religious schools? There’s a book by Andrew Sidel called The American Crusade about how right-wing groups are using religious (specifically Christian) views to chip away at the separation of church & state. And I don’t care how much Alito & others give secular arguments against abortion rights. We all understand they mainly stem from religious views.

[@roalvarez]

​@@JaneFleesTexas there's a subtle distinction between those cases and this one that explains the Supreme Court's reasoning. As a matter of fact, those rulings _support_ the Supreme Court slapping this Alabama ruling down. Point by point: - 303 Creative LLC v. Elenis -- The website developer was about the developer not being forced by the state to do (or not do) something that goes against their religious beliefs. - Kennedy v. Bremerton SD -- The football coach was about someone being fired for doing something related to their religious beliefs. Critically, he was not forcing students to join, some students joined. The lawsuit was about the school district firing him for it. Again, about the state forcing someone not to do something religious. As you can see, these cases are about preventing the state from stopping someone from practicing their religion, even in the interests of other people's convenience. This _supports_ the separation of church and state, rather than infringe on it. The Alabama ruling would impose Christian rules and viewpoints on people who are not Christian, therefore clearly violating the principle. I think this Supreme Court would toss this ruling out in minutes.

[@sentientnatalie]

@@roalvarez I tend to agree, assuming that they continue to stick with the principle in question.

[@firsthandnewz6491]

This also means that CPS has jurisdiction over the unborn fetus.

[@youtubesucksforforcingthis]

Ahhh the amount of paperwork!

[@ashlielove6513]

Crap like this is why I will never be completely red pilled and consider myself a sane rational human.

[@TonyMezaXD]

If only conservatives understood this, instead of deferring logic and reason to what they interpret the bible to say.

[@TonyMezaXD]

@@jkidd7608 I kind of agree, only that as a voter you shouldn't get wrapped up in team sports, you should figure out which policies you support and vote based on which party represents those values and finally which candidate you believe will actually follow through on those policies. Good Policy is Good Politics. The problem is politicians are most of the time liars. If Donald Trump woke up one morning and suddenly supported all my policies and actually meant to follow through with those policies. I'd vote for him. But that will never happen.

[@Uarehere]

Religious conservatives have always been wackadoodles. I might agree with them on the anti-woke stuff, but I sure as f*ck won't let them enact a theocracy.

[@ashlielove6513]

@@jkidd7608 Correct mostly out of either family loyalty or peer pressure. 2020 changed all that for me for good.

[@decemberman7824]

It’s not like this ruling represents what most conservatives think

[@kingade2931]

And people think Biden is bad

[@Comeback180]

What did the others says abortion was just the beginning IVF, sterilization and other birth control arw next on the chopping block. Here we go with using the bible for decision-making in court. If yoir religion says don't do this thing don't do it but don't force this so called "inappropriate decision" onto others to follow.

[@thetrailer5050]

I appreciate Emily willing to acknowledge how some of her views are unpopular and is grounded in reality.

[@ZoeyZoco]

Grounded in reality and logic? No… but at least she knows they are *unpopular*

[@HTtwentyten]

A human life is a human life, born or unborn. It's a life cycle that no one has a right to end. Your close-mindedness is doing your side no favours. @@ZoeyZoco

[@dustinsindledecker154]

​@@HTtwentytenan embryo is not a human. It is an embryo

[@edwardpotereiko]

When you study collective intelligences and developmental biology, the definition that can be given to human life actually changes in surprising ways.

[@HTtwentyten]

An embryo is a human life. That's all that's needed to mandate it's protection.@@dustinsindledecker154

[@robp9186]

Credit to Krystal for being so diplomatic with Emily's idiotic views

[@charlottehammond8975]

the look on krystal's face while she holds back is precious. i can feel it.

[@Charlotte_Martel]

Krystal's views on this are insane. So, restricting (NOT BANNING) abortion to pre viability is abusive to women (amusing how this is the singular topic which makes Dems acknowledge biological sexual reality)? The whole of liberal Europe disagrees.

[@brandogg]

This is all absolutely insane

[@niesk43]

my wife and I are doing IVF right now (she is 5 weeks pregnant so please wish us luck!). We had to do IVF because I have a balanced chromosomal translocation. Essentially, it is more likely that our embryo will not contain enough DNA to survive than the other way around. We had 4 embryos during our cycle which we PGT-A genetically tested. 3 out of 4 were not "normal" and did not contain enough genetic material to sustain life. So, we implanted our good embryo and donated the other 3 to scientific research. This is literally a joke of a ruling based on everything I just said. Yes we had 3 embryos. One had 44 chromosomes, one with 43 chromosomes, and one with 47 chromosomes. A human has 46 chromosomes so as you can see, those embryos would not survive implantation and would be instantly a miscarriage.

[@mickeymickey1]

Congratulations and good luck to both of you!

[@niesk43]

@@mickeymickey1 thank you so much. because of my condition we have experienced a 8 week miscarriage and several chemical pregnancies. we sought help and learned a ton. IVF wase our savior so alienating this beautiful medical intervention is quite sad because not everyone is a perfectly fertile/ genetical cleared human. I never asked for my condition. My parents won the lottery that I was even born. Well here I am and I want to be alive and give my wife a child (also our embryo doesnt have my condition so another win from medical technology)

[@barnabusdoyle4930]

Give the courts a few more years and we will see a ruling that a miscarriage can come with a manslaughter charge.

[@ivanleon6164]

Alabama: all embryos are brothers or sisters of someone and you can marry them.

[@dustinsindledecker154]

That is why I am gonna get married to an embryo

[@PotbellyPunch]

Oh boy a thinly veiled racial stereotype about southern people. This is a staple of liberal humor

[@heyitsme1618]

@@PotbellyPunch And a well deserved one, as we see from this retarded ruling that quotes muh bahble as motivating case law in direct contravention of the oh-so-scared constitution.

[@christianauldridge1264]

@@PotbellyPunchracial? It’s not racial to say Alabama is one of 3 states that allows cousin marriages.

[@christianauldridge1264]

@@PotbellyPunchnobody on gods green earth would pick up and go to Alabama from anywhere that is where you get stuck at

[@tannermclaughlin5001]

Where does Alabama rank statewide in education again?

[@XYZ-bi9eb]

who cares? education is a waste of money in any red confederate state. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@mb9662]

Even the Bible didn’t grant personhood until the first breath was taken.

[@bobbun4369]

“I knew you before you were in your mothers womb” Care to expose more of your ignorance?

[@patrickflanagan3762]

​@bobbun4369 gee it's almost like ancient Bronze Age religious texts are contradictory and inconsistent

[@bobbun4369]

@@patrickflanagan3762what contradiction? You mean you a person that hates Christianity is confused by Christianity??? Weird…

[@Raja1938]

@@bobbun4369 That was God addressing the prophet Jeremiah's self doubt, not a prohibition against abortion. If God knows every fertilized egg, and roughly a third fail to implant in the uterus, He must be fine with so many not surviving til birth.

[@bobbun4369]

@@Raja1938what the piss are you babbling about??

[@oolong2]

Just because people say life "begins" at conception, doesn't make it a person. Baking bread "begins" with mixing ingredients, that doesn't make the stuff in the bowl "bread".....

[@icekills1]

I like that analogies, but we have to agree on what stage of development we should start granting fetus rights.

[@MyName-tb9oz]

I've been trying to get people to understand that for at least a decade, @@icekills1. Here's a funny story for you: I had two separate conversations. One with a group of hard-line Christian Pro-lifers. One with a group of feminist Pro-choicers. The Christians were willing to concede that banning abortions for anything other than medical necessity was a death sentence for poor women who couldn't afford to fly to Europe, where abortion is legal, for a short 'vacation' instead of going to a back-alley wire hanger 'clinic'. (That was a real thing some decades ago before Roe.) The feminists thought that an abortion five minutes before a perfectly healthy live birth with no danger to mother or child was perfectly acceptable. Some of them tried to weasel-word their way around it but none of them would admit that it was really infanticide. So who are the real religious extremists?

[@TheSuperXNova]

And whaat defines "personhood"? The only thing that all humans are equal in are their humanity, not their mental abilities, physical abilities, or any other characteristic. You have nothing to ground human rights, besides humanness, that would not also exclude individuals outside the womb.

[@MyName-tb9oz]

Did you have a point, @@TheSuperXNova? 'Cause if you do I'm not really seeing it.

[@oolong2]

@@TheSuperXNova We define personhood. Just as we define everything else. Calling it "humanness" is just as vague and also only based on attributes. I'd say that "personhood" is viability outside the womb as well as the propensity for consciousness. Which is why we call losing all brain functions "brain death" and consider a person legally dead. Even if a person loses limbs or certain functions we consider them a person if they are conscious.

[@kanders7391]

An abortion is also a procedure to fix the situation of a miscarriage that didn’t expel the fetus that is already dead from the body. There are all sorts of reasons, most of them medical & life saving for the mother, for abortive procedures. Those are the main use of the procedure and those procedures are the main ones being blocked by States and women are suffering horribly without proper healthcare now.

[@bobbun4369]

That’s not an abortion…. An abortion is intentionally ending a pregnancy

[@xixingpooh]

I agree with you that the same procedure is used in miscarriage situations, and that absolutely should be considered. I'm with you there. But, it is not the main use of the procedure, not even slightly. Statistically most abortions are not for health reasons.

[@mrg0th1er83]

When the judges should have been a pastor/preacher/priest

[@curious011]

God I hope not. unless you want them in your home putting you under arrest for breaking a commandment.

[@MofoMan2000]

What a strange way to make a ruling. You don't work for God, you work for the people of your state. Citing God as his source for his reasoning has absolutely nothing to do with our government.

[@damnimloomin]

Under this logic, we shouldn’t be allowed to eat chicken eggs?

[@charlottehammond8975]

Or nuts, seeds, or beans. Alllll potential babies

[@RandomHajile-j7z]

Big thanks to Ruth Bader Ginsberg for being arrogant and refusing to retire, thereby ensuring women will never have the right to an abortion nationally ever again.

[@sentientnatalie]

True, though she's definitely not the only one to blame here.

[@TheDolfanar]

Here is preview of the next decision from the AL court: “Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great… if a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate!”

[@HTtwentyten]

No one's playing that foolish game. Life starts at conception.

[@curious011]

@@HTtwentyten Based on what? The Bible does NOT say that anywhere. we make up crap and them push it on the Bible.

[@curious011]

@@HTtwentyten and when the child is born the repubs do everything in their power to kill it.

[@TheDolfanar]

Logical conclusion… plus I can’t wait for the Times headlines: “Alabama man charged with manslaughter , gets off with masturbation…”

[@johnanders4729]

@@HTtwentytenis it murder or manslaughter if the fertilized egg gets passed by the mother’s body before birth, naturally?

[@joepeterson6746]

Extremely dishonest title. EMBRYOS are not the same thing as EGGS!

[@GlutenEruption]

It says embryos, not eggs. What's the problem?

[@reinham]

They just fixed it

[@joepeterson6746]

It was edited after the video was first released.

[@alostcause4035]

Embryos are simply fertilized eggs. Not much different

[@writerconsidered]

Ivf isn't even an embro. Its a single cell with 23 female chromosomes and 23 male chromosomes.

[@johnl405]

Sometimes when I hear Emily talking, I have no idea what she's pontificating about.

[@BobBobby-vn7us]

If you were in a clinic that was on fire and there is a 2 year old and a tray of 50 embyros, which one would you save if you could only save one?

[@delvinmorales9458]

Same question but you're on a mission populate a distance earth like planet to save the human race.

[@vietimports]

why does emily have the same face that tucker carlson has when hes acting in bad faith?

[@TannilleBrown]

I don’t think she’s being bad faith. I totally disagree with her though.

[@whyidrink40]

Emily trying to supress her excitment at this religous fundamentalism is shameful

[@iamfromscarboro1646]

So if the first embryo used is not successful does this count as murder?

[@johnanders4729]

Manslaughter is more likely due to intent.

[@Smiley_McPants]

So... you are saying... if I get some embryos frozen... I should be able to deduct them on my taxes?

[@UndergroundLiving]

Yes most Americans are against abortion bans in all cases. But most Americans are also against abortion up until birth.

[@brandonbryson3317]

It’s so rare that it’s almost irrelevant lol republicans like to pretend like late term is the norm and it is wildly off base.

[@bevtaylor5466]

There is no abortion very late term unless the fetus becomes nonviable and a threat to the health and life of the mother. It’s something the anti choice movement uses to scare people.

[@f58534]

Embryos? Come on people. This is waaaaaay to extreme

[@luqmango8139]

Ryan having a personal spring break is kinda fire I hope to do that in my future

[@Gclarkie21]

Ryan is zooted af at the Phish show!

[@TEFFTPATTERN]

I want a Ryan grim fishing America show

[@johndeaux3703]

He didn't go fishing. That their euphemism for his annual pilgrimage to Area 51.

[@taliblond7597]

12:29 We had a period of unpleasantness some time ago down in Alabama, during which it was determined that person ≠ property Not sure if you’ve heard of the period, but it was a doozy

[@Chrissmithers2]

You can tell the days Krystal is on breaking points from the titles alone.

[@arlaban22]

🤣🤣🤣

[@Sarmonster]

Last I checked, the US is not a theocracy.

[@XYZ-bi9eb]

the confederacy has always been a theocracy.

[@Lumi_Lumi13]

The original Constitution of the United States that was ratified in 1789 had only ONE REFERENCE TO RELIGION: [Article 6] No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any Office or Public Trust under the United States. The de facto motto of the United States, adopted as part of the Great Seal of the U.S. by an Act of Congress in 1782, was E. Pluribus Unum (Out of Many, One). Congress changed it 174 years later (1956) to "In God We Trust". The ORIGINAL 'Pledge of Allegiance' was written in 1892 by Baptist Minister Francis Bellamy who DID NOT INCLUDE the words "Under God". Those were added by Congress 62 year later (1954). The U.S. didn't issue Paper Currency until 1861, & 'In God We Trust' didn't appear on it for 96 years (1957). “As the government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian Religion" ~ Treaty of Tripoli; initiated under President George Washington, 1796, signed into law by President John Adams, 1797, ratified unanimously by the Senate, 1797, published in full in all 13 states, with no record of complaint or dissent. "I am for freedom of religion and against all maneuvers to bring about a legal ascendancy of one sect over another." --Thomas Jefferson, letter to Elbridge Gerry, January 26, 1799 “Christianity neither is, nor ever was part of the common law.” Thomas Jefferson “Religion and government will both exist in greater purity the less they are mixed together.” James Madison “The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.” John Adams "In every country, in every age, the priest has always been hostile to liberty...He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection of his own." Thomas Jefferson Founding Father Thomas Paine on Christianity. “The most detestable wickedness, the most horrid cruelties, and the greatest miseries that have afflicted the human race, have had their origin in this thing called revelation, or revealed religion…” AMERICA WAS NOT FOUNDED ON "CHRISTIAN VALUES", IT WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE A CHRISTIAN NATION, IT NEVER WILL BE A CHRISTIAN NATION. AMERICA IS A SECULAR COUNTRY. YOUR "FREEDUM OF RELIGION' ENDS WHERE MY CONSTITUTIONAL & BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS, LIBERTIES & PRIVLEGES BEGIN. DON'T LIKE IT, D!3 MAD ABOUT IT.

[@bobbun4369]

Don’t need to be religious to be against abortion

[@garrettrains3916]

Interesting. I knew Emily was quite socially Conservative, but I didn't realize she was such a religious zealot. I strongly disagree with her, but at least she's honest about it.

[@rodionraskolnikov3853]

Why is banning abortions wrong?

[@garrettrains3916]

@@rodionraskolnikov3853 Because it denies consenting adults bodily autonomy and the right to decide their medical future. People are not going to stop having abortions, even if they're banned.

[@tannermclaughlin5001]

Quoting the Bible as lehal justification for anything should have you disbarred and banned from public office

[@rodionraskolnikov3853]

Then what do you base morality on?

[@tannermclaughlin5001]

@@rodionraskolnikov3853 satire?

[@e-man1634]

@@rodionraskolnikov3853not your Bible or religion

[@e-man1634]

​@@rodionraskolnikov3853you think everyone's morals should be based on YOUR religion? Lol

[@andreadaerice]

Madness. I weep for this country.

[@BeachyKeen-ub9rg]

Emily, stop talking.

[@bargdaffy1535]

University of Alabama just suspended its IVF program.

[@CC-xw1yc]

So are we all roughly 9 months older than we think we are according to AL? If that's the case SS better be ready to start cutting bigger checks.

[@louislove299]

Emotional connection to embryos…cool rationale fascist.

[@austingapsis9685]

Eggs and embryos are not interchangeable terms. There is a Very big difference.

[@barnabusdoyle4930]

While that’s true medically, that doesn’t change how absolutely insane this ruling is.

[@tallard666]

I disagree 100% with IVF. However, not for the reasons stated. Stop fuckin around with manufacturing new humans, do it naturally or not at all. There are thousands of kids without parents. THOSE are the ones that need parents.

[@88happiness]

I have 2 words for them. CHILD SUPPORT!!! Get to it boys 😊

[@Jamesfromcourt]

I’m jealous of Emily! She’s still living in 2023!

[@platoniczombie]

Lol I was just about to post something about that flub.

[@TheJadeJester]

Ah, the conservative obsession with the minutae of people's private lives and their matching disdain for people who disagree with them. Personifying "do as i say, mot as i do".

[@SpikeTFA]

God Alabama is such a shit hole, I am running out of popcorn

[@dritzzdarkwood4727]

Why not go all the way with this American neo-puritan approach? Make all eggs kids! That way, a woman who performs extreme sports can be charged with endangering her 40,000 children! SMH!

[@Rosesnlotus]

What about all those manly 'seeds' lost by youknowhat?

[@nous100]

American law was derived from the Bible, if you don't know that you are not as knowledgeable as you think

[@art-gx7qp]

Exactly

[@curious011]

sure. but not the abortion laws. that is not in the Bible anywhere.

[@j01150126]

Again, if they rule they are kids then they should be eligible to claim on taxes.

[@Randy4me]

This reminds me I need to pick up my embryos from daycare on my way home.

[@bobbun4369]

So you belittle your own children?

[@superfinevids]

So does an embryo count as a dependent? Does it get a social security card? Can i get life insurance on it?

[@zackschooley5858]

If I am living in Alabama, I cook up about 10 or 12 embryos and write them off on my taxes as my kids you could do that from now until the cows come home, there’s money to be made here people

[@phishinwithlala]

Love how Ryan is at Phish

[@sandstronaut]

He just keeps being cooler every day. Maybe we'll see him at Mondegreen!

[@SquirtlePWN]

Certainly an interesting interpretation... Im just shocked how absolutely blunt and transparent that judge was 😂

[@TEFFTPATTERN]

Whyyyyy don’t we get a Ryan fishing show

[@charlottehammond8975]

Flyin' with Ryan The Fishers Grim On the Line with Ryan Grim Click Bait with Ryan Grim etc

[@Cdyoung15]

How do you like your eggs? Fried or fertilized??

[@jazzrockr]

Turquoise Jeep Records for the win.

[@ogskullomania3119]

Omg this takes me back

[@Cdyoung15]

@@jazzrockr😂😂 You already know

[@nsxkkxlnmiyo8722]

sold, id like'em sold please

[@FazeParticles]

scrambled.

[@scottblunt7067]

NASA's Huntsville location is going to have a tough time getting engineers to want to move there.

[@duquem0421]

Good, better jobs for sane people

[@nicholasming5976]

Lol no they won’t.

[@rupindersingh2312]

Engineers don’t be into sex.

[@Lord_Foxy13]

Absolutely, imagine that pitch... So you're a very skilled engineer and intelligent person, how would you like to live under the Christian Taliban

[@bayat53]

It already has begun to affect readiness in the military.

[@LongDefiant]

The logical outcome of this law is that all females of fertile age must take weekly pregnancy tests and report them to a Central office. If embryos are people, we should do nothing less. Also citizenship must begin at conception so we can affirm every embryo's civil rights.

[@dustinsindledecker154]

That is funny i have never hugged an embryo, i have never fed an embryo. Yet now an embryo is now a baby

[@Amonkai]

This is the conservative America you wanted

[@waynelangins11]

holy crap Emily's views are crazy.

[@autecheee]

If Frozen embryos are children in AL how many of them can one use on their taxes for child tax credits and deductions?

[@kidfunkyfri3308]

"human embryos....not just eggs

[@kaybrown7733]

There really isn't much of a difference. Also, FYI, women pass fertilized eggs everyday. Next they'll be arresting us for normal bodily functions.

[@alostcause4035]

A fertilized egg

[@cronizle]

Right, but they were eggs before that. So what's the difference, legally, if babies are worth as much as an embryo, because they have the "potential" to be a kid then wouldn't an embryo be worth as much as the egg fir the same reason?

[@kidfunkyfri3308]

@@cronizle because it's not fertilized yet...it's now separate DNA

[@cappehnkrunch]

Being selectively "logically consistent" is to be the antichrist.

[@jasonscala7771]

God dang get Emily the straight jacket that was fn painful

[@scottcrowder1023]

So much for the separation of church and state.

[@bobbun4369]

How is the church being forced on you?

[@SymGenie]

Being an absolutist is bad no matter the view. I'm sure the couple wanted to punish the person that dropped their embryos but their feelings and emotions shouldn't overrule everyone elses logic.

[@Raja1938]

Ironically, their suit will shut down the very access to IVF in their state that they themselves sought.

[@ZyroZoro]

So being an absolutist against slavery is bad?

[@SymGenie]

@ZyroZoro An absolutist position on slavery being bad would be that any form of forcing someone to do something against their will is slavery and thus should not be allowed. IE, the penal system is a form of slavery so we shouldn't allow the imprisonment for crimes. Yes, that is bad. A moderate view of slavery being bad would allow for the imprisonment of criminals and people who are a danger to society

[@ZyroZoro]

@@SymGenie Imprisonment isn't slavery. Slavery is the owning of a human being as property. Under your definition making a 12-year old clean their room would be slavery.

[@SymGenie]

@ZyroZoro The 13th amendment literally allows for slavery under the guise of imprisonment. Look up the 13th amendment loophole. Many academics in the black community have called that out for years. And yes, forcing a child to clean a room could be interpreted as such within a slavery absolutist position, and it is absurd, which is why I originally stated absolutism was bad. You were the one trying to defend absolutism.

[@tomshady3530]

Did a judge just use as his justification for a ruling an exclusively Christian belief? Violation of church and state, 1st amendment.

[@art-gx7qp]

You can use religion in laws. We just can't have a an official religion

[@jedison2441]

@@art-gx7qp Incorrect if you actually read the founding fathers and the documents at the time. They were against Relgion determine governing laws of a Free People. That was the entire point of the 1st Amendment.

[@art-gx7qp]

@@jedison2441 they they were against state religion. Christian morality is the bases of our laws

[@jedison2441]

It's not, don't believe that repeated lie. Many of the founding fathers weren't even Christian, including Jefferson who played a large roll in helping write the constutiton. "the civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall any national religion be established, nor shall the full and equal rights of conscience be in any manner, or on any pretext infringed."" That was Madison, and he was a Protestant @@art-gx7qp

[@jedison2441]

@@art-gx7qp Try actually reading some of the founding fathers on the subject and you will see you have been mislead by propaganda.

[@jasonryan3506]

VOTE JILL STEIN 2024!