Al Jazeera Did A Story About Me (Ex-Muslim and I Respond)

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@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic 4 ай бұрын

Well, this one got demonetized. I guess that tracks for a video like this. Check out another video or my patreon/paypal if you feel like helping me out!

@shitchannel4you156 4 ай бұрын

Wow. I han no Idea you were Muslim in the past. Allright. Ałlso. I had no Idea both you and Apostate Aladdin knew each other. Anyway. I'm happy for you so long you are happy bud 😎👍

@constructor5008 4 ай бұрын

Why?

@wout123100 4 ай бұрын

wow really, says a lot about google, well they are probably very christian....

@garrepallidanielvivek9329 4 ай бұрын

Please put up foundation for all the ex Muslim's, We'd love to support you people, God will bless us and our families for supporting you..🙏🏼🙏🏼

@dearashad 4 ай бұрын

In no way do I defend the snarky tones of yesterday’s atheist content on KZbin. I do, however, think that some context is missing. The snark of the time was highly reactionary, in that religious conservatives were coordinating their efforts to undermine science education for everyone. They ultimately succeeded by shifting the rhetoric so that we parents would be distracted, while they watered down the material to appease parents or to ensure that school board meetings wouldn’t become the circuses they became eventually. I was grateful for The God Delusion and God is Not Great. In the last few years, I have been appalled by the behavior of many of the people I respected, and in many cases, worked with. I completely understand your distaste for the tone of the time, but honestly, at the time, it was cathartic to hear these things said out loud to people who were actively seeking to harm science education. I don’t condone it, but I shared the anger at the time. That anger still bubbles up routinely because they keep eroding rights and openly admit they aren’t finished with their campaigns to destroy the lives of anyone who’s outside of their cookie cutter. It fosters a deep despair in a way that standing up to them, even with a less-than-polite tone, didn’t.

@MrRussiancoma Жыл бұрын

The fact that he covers his face should give us all shivers. This man literally risks his life professing his apostate status.

@markbond08 Жыл бұрын

Religion of peace

@keksi6844 Жыл бұрын

He thinks he can hide his face from God. Silly atheist,not very bright.

@cindybidwellglaze7698 Жыл бұрын

@@keksi6844God doesn't care if people have different understandings. That is a human conceit.

@cindybidwellglaze7698 Жыл бұрын

@@keksi6844people can hurt him God won't. In my opinion.

@Leszek.Rzepecki Жыл бұрын

@@keksi6844 It's not god he's hiding his face from, it's folk like you.

@ApostateAladdin Жыл бұрын

Thank you Drew for shining a spotlight on exmuslims and filling in the gaps in Al Jazeera's piece! I hope your audience finds value in our commentary. And thanks again for having me. It's always a pleasure chatting with you

@celestialsatheist1535 Жыл бұрын

Yo Aladdin. Love you man . Never stop what you are going. You are a gem of the ex Muslim movement

@TheMilitantMazdakite Жыл бұрын

As a Zoroastrian, I salute you! On a side note, can you make a video where you give me your thoughts on the rise of Zoroastrianism in Iran and Kurdistan?

@AJansenNL Жыл бұрын

Wow, I just read your Patreon post. And here you are! Yay! Well done!

@theunknown4834 Жыл бұрын

@@pazuzuxx As much as I respect religion, what does challenging Allah means to you? Will everyone who challenges Allah by practising their own faith and not praying for Allah means they will be punished?

@SaraSila08 Жыл бұрын

@@pazuzuxx لطالما كنتم صلاعمة وستظلون صلاعمة ودينكم الصلعمي هذا لا تستطيعون أن تفرضوه علينا مهما حصل يادعشوش

@seekthetruthfindit6879 Жыл бұрын

I'm a female ex-Muslim and I appreciate you shone a light on this issue❤

@SaraSila08 Жыл бұрын

Sending you love & support from an Arab female atheist🇩🇿🤍

@ingweking8748 Жыл бұрын

Sending you love as Turkish female atheist

@seekthetruthfindit6879 Жыл бұрын

@@ingweking8748 nasilsin? My ex-husband was from Turkey 💛

@ingweking8748 Жыл бұрын

@@seekthetruthfindit6879 Teşekkür ederim iyiyim siz nasılsınız?Yes I am from Turkey too

@seekthetruthfindit6879 Жыл бұрын

@@ingweking8748 Iyiyim. Teşekkür ederim. I've had a really bad marriage but I love the Turkish people. Wishing you all the best and I hope you're safe 💛

@anonnymousperson Жыл бұрын

I've got to say Aladdin seems to have more integrity, compassion and humanity than pretty much any other religious or atheist youtuber I've seen, maybe even more than Drew himself. I wish he wasn't in a world that might want to harm him for his beliefs.

@maritime9297 Жыл бұрын

Agreed

@Ugly_Scallywagg Жыл бұрын

Not the world, the religious community wants to hurt him. Not the normal good people, like you and I.

@wngdhssr Жыл бұрын

i disagree all ex-muslim youtubers are great. Theyre one of the most oppressed minorities. This is the reality

@vahyalakwaga5428 Жыл бұрын

You can praise Aladdin without putting others down, you know?

@jasonpatterson8091 Жыл бұрын

@@vahyalakwaga5428 I don't see anyone in this comment thread putting anyone down. The OP said that Aladdin was the most XYZ, others agreed. The only one that might be construed as insulting is the bit about his religious community being the ones who want to hurt him, which is just a fact - there aren't a bunch of Hindu people (let alone nonbelievers) out there who want to hurt him for no longer being Muslim.

@Excultbaby Жыл бұрын

I may be a little biased, but I love seeing Drew portrayed as the "face" of empathetic, compassionate atheism ❤⚛️

@sluttyMapleSyrup Жыл бұрын

It's what got me to sub and stay subbed

@jarnalyrkar Жыл бұрын

Who else, Dillahunty? 😂

@sluttyMapleSyrup Жыл бұрын

@@jarnalyrkar Suris and Viced Rhino are pretty great too, but they deal mostly with the intersections between religious beliefs and politics. Though Suris' VTuber aesthetic can put some people off and would definitely get him omitted from articles by an outlet like Al-Jazeera.

@Excultbaby Жыл бұрын

@@jarnalyrkar lmfao 🤣 yeah right

@jarnalyrkar Жыл бұрын

@@sluttyMapleSyrup If anime boobies is wrong, I don't want to be right.

@Nojintt Жыл бұрын

I updated my 'religion' on Facebook to atheist a while back. Shortly after I had a friend reach out to me saying how 'brave I was' (I was honestly scared to), and that his Muslim family would disown him if he did the same. The pressure society puts on us to live up to their standards, whether it be to act a certain way based on sex, race, religion, etc, it's fucking bullshit.

@anshumanpanda1227 Жыл бұрын

Disowning is still non lethal.

@anshumanpanda1227 Жыл бұрын

@@SaraSila08 Yes, now that sounds more like Islam.

@FaiaHalo Жыл бұрын

@@anshumanpanda1227and Christianity. Catholicism here in Latin America is just like that.

@anshumanpanda1227 Жыл бұрын

@@FaiaHalo Sad, brother. I hope that South America returns to its roots.

@maxalberts2003 Жыл бұрын

It's called codependency. Many people have zero boundaries. And they never bother to explore the reasons why.

@htpkey Жыл бұрын

It's sad that apostasy is rarely talked about in the Arab world. It's good that the younger generation is more open-minded in addressing it.

@bluetoad2668 Жыл бұрын

Well, to be fair, in many parts of the Arab world it's punishable by death so it's no wonder that people don't want to talk about it. It's one reason why I don't travel to those countries.

@SaraSila08 Жыл бұрын

And it's not that the younger generation is open minded lol it's not really the case yeah the atheist wave is very big in the Islamic world especially South Asia & alot of middle eastern countries like Iraq, Syria, Lebonan & in North Africa, Morocco, Tunisia & Egybt and the irreligious population is also getting big in Arab gulf countries but unfortunately we're counted with the muslim population bcz of the obvious inevitable consequences. The younger generation is just getting kind of aware of our existence and also affected in an intellectual way by the numerous Arab atheist platforms that tackle Islam in general, otherwise the internet is just making the younger generation polarised.

@htpkey Жыл бұрын

@@SaraSila08 I do think the younger generation is more open-minded and less dogmatic than the previous one. They also rely more on international content, that is less Islam focused.

@fuadlabib703 Жыл бұрын

@@htpkeyAs a 16 year old I don't think so I'm pretty scared when I might suddenly open my mouth without realising what I'm saying because People around me aren't that open minded at all I'm glad I have ignorantish parents because I have stupidly opened my mouth without realising what I'm saying but they brushed it off saying he's gonna believe when he's older it's reliving for a bit but it's really sad

@babooshcat4129 Жыл бұрын

It's still seen as you either a muslim or a bad person, the concept of morality is tied to being muslim(=god fearing person), even if you're not actually treating people all that well. not enough people profess their none belief out of fear of violence,

@minh8313 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for platforming ex Muslims. The fact that this man has to go on camera covering his face, refuses to give his real name, and admitted that he would be scared for his safety if that information was ever leaked to the public should tell you everything

@BatsAndBadgers Жыл бұрын

they are perfectly platformed famously everywhere and they have no proplems talking about how evil muslims are thanks to racists. Whiny

@sal-the-man Жыл бұрын

It’s possible depending on where he lives. But I think he could just be overdramatizing his safety especially if he lives in a western country. Just to tell you Islam doesn’t say that you should be killed for just leaving Islam.

@Tuna.Salad. Жыл бұрын

@@sal-the-manEx-muslim here! Like you said, It depends. I live in Turkiye. I don't have that kind of problem but I can definitely see it being a problem in more eastern countries. Hell ,I don't talk about my lack of belief in some circles that think more conservative ,for my social life and my safety .

@sal-the-man Жыл бұрын

@@Tuna.Salad. yeah I know that in Islam it doesn’t say to kill or exile anyone who leaves the faith so usually this is a cultural issue.

@sal-the-man Жыл бұрын

@@Tuna.Salad. I believe you should talk to some people about your lack of belief and challenge them to find more answers. A question though what got you to be an Ex-Muslim just curious.

@le2382 Жыл бұрын

As an ex-Muslim, I really appreciate you doing this video and I’m glad you’re talking about it. Years ago when I first stopped believing, I felt so alone and isolated, but now there are more and more brave people like Aladdin who are willing to talk about being an ex-Muslim and atheist and I’m so glad this is happening.

@talyahr3302 Жыл бұрын

You are smart. You are strong!

@thenun1846 Жыл бұрын

Ex Muslim here too my friend!

@thenun1846 Жыл бұрын

@@sal-the-man honestly, I decide to read the Quran rather than mindlessly recite it

@thenun1846 Жыл бұрын

@@sal-the-man you asked me a question then got emotional based on my answer. Let me tell you another thing. You don't know the Quran and you're trying to establish an escape path because you wont be able to defend your position. The Quran is full of grammatical errors, contradictions, historical errors and many other problems as you would expect from a man made book. This is before going into all the different ahruf and qira'at Next, try not to follow the sunna and be a genuine human being. If you ask a question, take the response while being humble so you don't risk embaressing yourself

@sal-the-man Жыл бұрын

@@thenun1846 ok cool Firstly I wasn’t emotional, you claimed that I “mindlessly” read the Quran when In fact you do not know remotely nothing about me. Secondly the Quran doesn’t have contradictions and I don’t wanna go into detail because of time. Also how could you know of grammatical errors if you don’t even have a great understanding of Arabic which I doubt you have. You just watch Atheist KZbinrs who don’t know what they are contradicting and are already disproved time and time again by many scholars. You Atheists keep on trying to disprove Islam with the same thing time and time again and yet your argument are disproved. At least come with something original. Anyways Lastly, what I suggest to you it’s to go to an Islamic Scholar and challenge him rather than me since they have enough time and experience with it and they literally do this every day to explain to you why you’re wrong with your false stuff about Islam.

@UnapologeticallyKrissi Жыл бұрын

You didn't make me an atheist, but you made me a better one.

@ElPolloDiabloCH Жыл бұрын

Well put

@coffeegonewrong Жыл бұрын

The days I wish I could give multiple thumbs up

@adrianseanheidmann4559 Жыл бұрын

@@nathanolson3135 what a comment. Satanically distorted. Yuck.

@russelld2925 Жыл бұрын

@@nathanolson3135This evil? So not accepting that god sent himself as a sacrifice to himself to create a loophole we can use as an escape from punishment for breaking rules he created? That's evil? Not accepting evidence free claims of god is not evil.

@stubman5927 Жыл бұрын

@@nathanolson3135is "godless propaganda" supposed to be an insult? like, duh? also, shouldn't you question your faith if he "almost" made you atheist?

@DaadirHusseinRoorow Жыл бұрын

Ex-muslim from the Netherlands here, I watched your videos a year ago since and I'm proud of you not being scared to criticise this culty religion. PLEASE, keep up with this!!!

@themplar Жыл бұрын

Because i am curious. How did you find your way out of islam? Personally i am a firm believer that education is the biggest enemy of religion and more importantly religiousity. And here in the netherlands we have a generally good education. But i can imagine that had nothing to do with it. Or you were sheltered from it before?

@DaadirHusseinRoorow Жыл бұрын

@@themplar It's really a long story, but do you speak Dutch?

@theflyingdutchguy9870 Жыл бұрын

heb niet van veel ex-moslims hier in nederland gehoord. ken wel een aantal moslims. maar heb het er eigenlijk nooit met ze over gehad. denk ook dat ze vooral moslim zijn omdat hun ouders dat verwachten. weet niet of ze het ook echt geloven.

@DaadirHusseinRoorow Жыл бұрын

@@theflyingdutchguy9870 Eindelijk, nu weet je het trouwens

@RedFighterNL Жыл бұрын

@@theflyingdutchguy9870 Vermoed dat dit ook speelt bij de Christelijke Nederlanders. Zelf woon ik in de biblebelt en heb mezelf zo'n 10 jaar geleden uitgeschreven. Mijn ouders hadden er geen moeite mee maar kan me voorstellen dat het bij de meer zwaar gelovige ouders het een ander verhaal kan zijn.

@negaro9113 Жыл бұрын

As an exmuslim in Pakistan I wish you would tackle Islam more often , people here need you more then anyone, I want you to look at the debate between Daniel haqiqatou and I think Mike ( spoiler it's disgusting) where he defends child mareiages as well and how much support he is getting and no one is covering that Daniel has this series called genius of Islam which are his dystopian exaggerated forced morals and values onto the west and the supposed downfall of west compared to very properous and happy islamic counteries lol, it doesn't take a lot of debunk his tbh, a sane teenager with bare reading can find flaws in his reasoning which are mostly deflections, whataboutisms and his lack of experience in any thing related to medicine, social things he talks about, so plzz this would be appreciated , other then that tackling more people in islamic circle for example Muhammad hijab, thank u drew Making some edit to add a bunch of fools of Dawah " Ali Dawah, Smile to jannah, Jake the meta Physician, etc

@littlebitofhope1489 Жыл бұрын

What do you mean no one is covering it? There was just a debate with Matt Dillahunty, and it was discussed by him afterword. I saw that debate and what a creep Daniel is. I would never have seen him otherwise. Islam is being tackled. Clearly Drew is well aware too.

@negaro9113 Жыл бұрын

@@littlebitofhope1489 I want the specific debate to be talked about because it's about children, many people aren't aware of this debate, just spreading words because the support to critique ratio is non existent ik only apostate Prophet, David wood and Mike himself reviewing it, that's terrifying considering any youtube drama or disgusting thing that involves kids gets a lot of attention to the point people become infamous on almost all commentary circles for example EDP445, and similar, Daniel lives in America, it's baffling how he hasn't been investigated lol, ik it's unrealistic but my main goal is spreading this around, the LGBT gets the groomer narrative shoved onto them but people like this area even supported by non Muslims, just look at his comments

@nabeel7597 Жыл бұрын

There are a lot of Pakistani ex Muslims I know who are amazing at tackling Islam. We have a good circle as of right now, however nobody wants to get their head chopped off. It's getting worse here, especially after jaranwalla in faislabad. Things are still better here in islamabad. A lot of my friends know about my stance yet they are very tolerant.

@ExposingIslamDefenders Жыл бұрын

Muslims are biased as always. When they see a video with the title * Ex muslim debunk*, they go crazy that aaoh islam is true because we exposed them haha.

@k-aw-teksleepysageuni8181 Жыл бұрын

The thing is, Drew has, but because he is white and western he got a LOOOOOT of hate and push-back, especially given the time. Speaking out against Islamic extremism and western folx (at least here in North America), SCREAM Islamophobia, and try to ruin your life, painting you as a racist bigot.... Drew HAS covered Islam as extensively as his psyche, channel, and life can handle.

@Douggyadam Жыл бұрын

Having moved from the USA to Estonia, a largely non-religious people, I can safely say I’m glad not to have to deal with any of the problems from being non-religious that I might expect in a religious society. Hats off to both of you, keep up the good work 🙌

@ichirofakename Жыл бұрын

Yay, Estonia!

@picahudsoniaunflocked5426 Жыл бұрын

Stay safe, I hear you have a worrisome neighbour!

@siiluviilu Жыл бұрын

Ohhh as someone from Estonia I never even paid much mind to how much it might affect someone day to day, wow!

@wout123100 4 ай бұрын

yeah,. same here, the netherlands.

@EclecticianG Ай бұрын

What's it like living there? Is the government fair and just?

@potts995 Жыл бұрын

Al Jazeera will discuss the ex-Muslim movement as soon as they start reporting on corruption in Qatar

@safuu202 10 ай бұрын

Basically.

@andin3720 4 ай бұрын

It’s like RT reporting on Ukrainian civilians bombed by the Russian army. It will never going to happen.

@dawitkidane3587 4 ай бұрын

Recently they are islamist media

@charliebrownie4158 4 ай бұрын

Corruption in all of Arabia

@James-RBG-Mill 4 ай бұрын

Bruh, quick Google search will give you all answers you seek, see who owns that media

@Civiicendi Жыл бұрын

The fear that ex-religous people fear from their former friends and family is a very real and very dangerous fear. Thank you for talking about this for those who can't.

@the0nlytrueprophet942 Жыл бұрын

America seems like such a shithole when I read stuff like this.

@the0nlytrueprophet942 Жыл бұрын

America seems like such a shithole when I read stuff like this.

@deathbytheblade6757 Жыл бұрын

I even had to explain to my mother that I hadn't 'lost my faith', but rather I had simply 'Left it behind'. She was Catholic, so she missed that reference.

@godowskygodowsky1155 Жыл бұрын

My family and extended family going back many generations are mostly atheists, with the ocassional Theravada Buddhist, Mahayana Buddhist, or Catholic. I didn't know what a god was until first grade, and it still blows my mind that most people are religious. The idea that not believing a religion can get you shunned by your own family is even more unbelievable to me.

@brownj2 Жыл бұрын

Anybody that is dangerous to an atheist is simply dangerous. Anybody that would harm you for reaching a different conclusion, has never been your friend. Both of these types should be left far behind.

@Leszek.Rzepecki Жыл бұрын

The fact that Apostate Aladdin feels a need to wear a mask while speaking on youtube tells me more about Islam than any actual argument.

@negaro9113 Жыл бұрын

Me as an exmuslim in Pakistan : 🇵🇰🇵🇰😀😀😀😀

@cruzsanta2252 Жыл бұрын

@@negaro9113holy shit man, r u okay?

@MrDalisclock Жыл бұрын

@@SaraSila08 I seriously have to wonder how many people worldwide are really irreligious and only pretend to believe in the majority religion where they leave to avoid harassment or worse. As you've alluded to, I bet it's a lot more then anyone realizes.

@negaro9113 Жыл бұрын

@@SaraSila08 I've lived half my life in KSA actually lol so yeah although I've yet to met someone online and talk but I've talked to a few here , and yes they are every where now, (thankfully, ) , its still surprising to find even one from countries like Pakistan and Saudia that are currently still living there, Pakistan being really scary because the mob will get you before the authorities here atleast lol, you will be dragged down, probably burnt like a recent Bangladeshi man over blasphemy, and the recent church destructions

@Leszek.Rzepecki Жыл бұрын

@@negaro9113 I hear you. We have it a lot easier in predominantly Christian countries, at the moment. That might change in the US though.

@jonjohnson422 Жыл бұрын

Why is it so difficult for believers to understand anyone that differs from their belief?

@dogwalk3 Жыл бұрын

justification, perhaps. their identity is built upon the foundation that their beliefs are true, & people rejecting that are outliers that are frightening to a believer. along with somehow taking personal offense from a random person on the other side of the globe. they perhaps need to do some work on ego.

@ericcotter1984 Жыл бұрын

because they are scared to accept mortality

@nodengineer1580 Жыл бұрын

Because they are "right" in their minds. It's insufferable

@GhalidiusTrident Жыл бұрын

Because a lot of times their beliefs often villanize non-believers to be completely evil, regardless if they are actually evil people or not, simply for not being a part of the religion. Its like this for a good portion of Christianity, especially in the states with Evangelicals and Conservatives using Christianity to justify homophobia and transphobia. Its not wrong to be religious, but it is wrong to force your religious beliefs onto others who aren't religious.

@littlebitofhope1489 Жыл бұрын

Your question means you don't understand them. So why is it so difficult for you to understand anyone who differs from your lack of belief? It seems to be a human condition. We have no objective observer to point out the flaws in some of the things humans do.

@redgreen2453 Жыл бұрын

You guys are better men than me. After 25 years of having that shit shoved down my throat, there will always be a (admittedly not very constructive) part of me that just wants to hear people call religion dumb. Not for the purpose of attempted deconversion but just for the sake of ridicule. It’s not at all how I would ever want to engage with someone in real life but watching it in a controlled environment provides a kind of catharsis I don’t think I could ever give up. Yeah, videos like that might turn off some less invested fence sitters and it’s not the *_only_* kind of community I would want to be a part of, but it is a valuable community. Some of us need an outlet for the vitriol

@zoyadulzura7490 Жыл бұрын

Agreed, there's a place for that sort of reaction, in the process of separating yourself from what was forced onto you in the past. Like you say, it's not appropriate when it comes to engaging with people outside of that apostate (or generally atheist) community, but in the right setting, it's valuable and useful.

@RePlayQ Жыл бұрын

Right I definitely feel like a lot of these religions deserve the hate and condemnation. I’ll call them stupid to their face cause, well I don’t care about them.

@dtb8663 Жыл бұрын

Agree 💯 percent.

@njhoepner Жыл бұрын

It's a natural reaction that I also have...and I think there's a role for the harsh, mocking critics (Hitchens, Dawkins, Dillahunty), the compassionate dissenters (Apostate Aladdin, Genetically Modified Skeptic, Cosmic Skeptic), as well as those who focus on rational critique and the lack of evidence for religion (Rationality Rules, Paulogia, Mythvision, and more). I'm glad there's so much out there now.

@avaboyer9297 Жыл бұрын

Absolutely. I so much admire the Drews and Aladdins of the atheist world, I wish I could be like them. Hopefully one day I can, but right now I want to see religion burn down, and fundamentalist believers be forced to confront the absurdity of their beliefs.

@OmarAyusoVA Жыл бұрын

It's so pathetic for any religion or religious state to compel people to stay in a religion that they don't believe in. It's absolutely ridiculous

@hrh4961 Жыл бұрын

But it may prevent you from being decapitated. Yeah, there's that.

@lack_of_awareness Жыл бұрын

fallacious logic@@hrh4961

@milktenders6219 Жыл бұрын

It’s because religion doesn’t have power without believers. The theocracies can’t exist without their power, and fear is what maintains that power

@tortellinifettuccine Жыл бұрын

Really? Because that's exactly how the usa was founded.

@milktenders6219 Жыл бұрын

@@tortellinifettuccine yay for puritans

@mikaglea Жыл бұрын

As an American Boomer-era man who agonized through a multi-decade process of extracting myself first from Roman Catholisism and ultimately from the grip of the God of Abraham, I will always be grateful to "the four horsemen" for easing my journey.

@guardian-X Жыл бұрын

I can understand that some atheists go through the "anger" phase or ridicule phase. Maybe its part of the process, that those feelings come to the surface when you feel like you've been lied to all your life. I agree that its important to get over that.

@RePlayQ Жыл бұрын

Even though I’ve been atheist my whole life, I’m still angry at religion. Not the people who follow it but definitely those who push it. The amount of anguish that is brought by religion is just so disgusting to me. And for them to argue their faith is the maximum good while committing atrocities makes them seem so stupid. To be honest, I don’t think I could ever even be friends with someone who believes in a religion, essential oils, or a horoscope.

@justsomerandomguy6719 Жыл бұрын

@@RePlayQI would not say I feel the same way as you but you can say that I mildly agree with you. I am an ex-hindu and people in my workplace are devout Hindus. The amount of pseudo science they talk about and believe firmly in is outrageous. And one of them claims to love science and then says the most stupid thing ever like don't apply perfume at night, it will attract spirits and what not. Moreover the level of misogyny I have seen is just unbearable. They treat women like literal objects and the stuff they say about them is so graphic, I would rather not convey it as it will mostly get removed by KZbin. It disgusts me and saddens me to think that such people exist who think that they are so good just because they are religious and then go on to say just horrible stuff.

@raidermaxx2324 Жыл бұрын

well for me, as a life long atheist, ive never had those feelings. but i still like to ridicule american christians because of their gross hypocrisy regarding their worship of donald trump.

@DM-zq8qy Жыл бұрын

My “anger” was at myself for not investigating the mythology and harmful side effects of the brainwashing I received (and gave others) for decades. It also was likely part of my “grieving the loss” of my “heavenly father”. (Even though he only exists in the myths, legends, and imaginations of those who are brainwashed into a particular faith in a particular god. We are not born with “faith in a God” until someone “converts” us.)

@SteveBakerIsHere Жыл бұрын

I don't think I was ever religious - so I never BECAME an atheist. It's an interesting dynamic - people who are religious seem to be more strongly upset about people who LEFT a religion - versus those who simply never joined one. So it makes one consider how (and why) an ex-Muslim or an ex-Christian has greater concerns than always-atheists.

@SaraSila08 Жыл бұрын

Exactly both of your comments are spot on

@CyberiusT Жыл бұрын

Same here. I looked into several religions as a youth, but none of them were ever any more 'real' to me than Lensman. I think people who've left a faith are much more driven to talk about it than us, too. Other atheists I know are content for you to believe what you like, and not care why. As long as outsiders are not affected, that is. Human sacrifice, canibalism, or abuse is going to get negative attention, too.

@neoqwerty Жыл бұрын

@@CyberiusT I'm doing a research project on theology right now and I can say that they're all about as "real" as Tribunal worship from Elder Scrolls. If anything, TES at least has some consistency and the contradictions in the religious texts are intentional there, plus they don't shunt plot hole explanation in their apographa (cough cough, Onan's brother's story in Book of Jubilees)

@xanderprangler8621 Жыл бұрын

Just for clarification, being non-religious is not the same as being an atheist. The first is a lack of faith towards any particular god or belief system, while the latter (atheism) is in fact a system of belief. Like Drew's wife mentioned in a clip here (Sorry I can't seem to remember her name rn) the existence of god is unkownable, meaning that either way you have to make a choice. There arguments for an against, and it's up to each individual to decide for themselves. Being non-religious might simply mean you don't care and have not made up your mind about it... which is perfectly fine.

@YuliyStory Жыл бұрын

@@xanderprangler8621 The labels are all pretty messed up tbh. Some say atheism is the belief that gods don't exist, some say that's antitheism, others say that agnoticism is the disbelief in god. It's pretty rough. I just like the term skeptic, it's neat and doesn't carry the baggage :)

@MatecaCorp Жыл бұрын

You gotta love that one of the examples of your “controversial” content is just you saying you want to know the various reasons someone could be sent to hell lmao

@imacds Жыл бұрын

I feel like this piece has plausible deniability. Muslims can watch this and think "ah of course they leave Christianity, they just haven't found Islam yet". Meanwhile, ex-muslim atheists can learn more about atheism.

@SaraSila08 Жыл бұрын

Exactly that's why AJ chose atheists from christian backgrounds only not from MUSLIM BACKGROUNDS.

@zoyadulzura7490 Жыл бұрын

Makes me wonder what the creators of the piece would have done with the piece if they didn't have concerns of their own safety.

@knossostellel-amarna8502 5 ай бұрын

@@SaraSila08 AJ has huge blindspots in their reporting, nothing critical of the qatari dictatorship & especially islam

@wout123100 4 ай бұрын

i am not so sure if this was a clever move, going with AJ, you should know these people bend everything around.

@4nth0ny-Ph0eniX 4 ай бұрын

I would take what AJ has to say with a grain of salt a media company funded and run by Qatar who is housing the h4m4s leaders.

@Dragoon803 Жыл бұрын

I hope we start seeing more ex Muslims join the Atheist community. It's a much needed side of the Theist vs Atheist debate.

@meneedmorebrain Жыл бұрын

r/exmuslim

@Dragoon803 Жыл бұрын

@@meneedmorebrain Oh. Thank you.

@lagato-gp3mh 7 ай бұрын

Glad to be one! And i just wish the people around me weren't so blind and actually thought, and reasoned, and didnt just curse non-believers and accuse the "devil being within them" or something, theyre much needed in the debate because muslims have been fed these beliefs since they were born, and in some states where sharia is practiced, apostates are executed(13 countries which do the practice exist today). They know the most about being born religious.

@Lorenzo_That_Vegan_Dad Жыл бұрын

Islam is wild. As someone who spent time in Afghanistan and Iraq, I can understand the mask and kepping your identity secret. The Afghanistan national army would decapitate enemy soldiers. We had to explain why they can't do that.

@INDIANATHEIST526 Жыл бұрын

I dont need to go to afghanistan or iraq.just search No go zones in europe

@nichfra Жыл бұрын

@@INDIANATHEIST526 yeah I lived in one of those "no go zones" and can tell you you shouldn't believe everything you read. I still felt safer in those no go zones than in parts of major cities in the US and the crime statistics support that.

@SaraSila08 Жыл бұрын

@@INDIANATHEIST526Yeah the "no go zones" that the west has created in those countries for their profit & interest. Fuck the US and their hypocrisy.

@apjapki Жыл бұрын

What the Afghan army does is not indicative of what all Muslims would do. The Muslim world is big and the average Muslim is not an Afghan soldier. Please keep in mind that the US army has also been involved in massacres and at times refused to take prisoners. This is not a defense of Islam. I am an atheist.

@apjapki Жыл бұрын

@@INDIANATHEIST526They don't exist. Get off Fox News.

@E1987TO Жыл бұрын

As an ex-muslim I would say that most of us are mostly afraid of getting known rather than being avoided by media. I'm still careful regarding my surroundings even though Islam is a minority where I am from, I can't even imagine how this position would be for people living in places where Islam is the main religion. That being said, thank you Aladdin for being so brave! Continuing, I disagree with his/your opinion about the work that people like Matt Dillahunty have been doing, it is not focusing on cornering people, thus describing oneself as being "conversational unlike others" is really dishonest.

@ayushmantyagi7156 Жыл бұрын

@@SaraSila08❤

@aben4628 Жыл бұрын

I wonder where you're from but from where i am Islam the majority's religion and it's hell

@Roger-Verbal-Kint 11 ай бұрын

Hey, buddy. Fellow ex-Muslim here (in a conservative Muslim-majority country 😅) and I completely agree with the Matt Dillahunty point. Firstly, that seemed like an uncalled for cheap shot, but also it's not true that Matt is a Jerk to believers. He's almost always pretty patient and understanding, until someone is being really dishonest and obtuse then he starts to call them out on it.

@MendTheWorld 10 ай бұрын

This is a sensitive and difficult point regarding Matt Dillahunty. I deeply respect Matt's knowledge and understanding, not only of his own fundamentalist Christian past, but of the relevant aspects of epistemology and evidence-based reasoning. I think Matt is brilliant, and I've learned a great deal listening to him. My own religious and epistemic views are extremely closely aligned with Matt's. That said, I feel the way he approached his dialogs with theists on his former broadcasts with the ACA call-in shows made me extremely uncomfortable. Basically, I couldn't stand listening to them. I think it reflects badly on Matt, on the ACA, and on the atheist movement in general. Unfortunately there is an audience for this type of confrontational dialogs with frequent interruptions and heated exchanges, and hanging up the phone on people. I get nothing from it but "cringe".... Accordingly, I was very sympathetic to the comments that Apostate Aladdin made. I think these things need to be said. By the way, everyt comment I made about Matt dillahunty applies to Aron Ra as well, both with regard to the respect I have for him and his knowledge, as well as the discomfort I feel in the way that he deals with the faith community. He seems very angry... Arguably understandably so, but I just don't think it helps. I've given up posting thoughtful, but critical, comments on Aron Ra's vids because his audience of fanboys are just as intolerant of divergent views as Aron Ra is. They love to guffaw at stupid "believers". I just don't think this is the way to wean people away from Faith-based belief.

@botbat9645 10 ай бұрын

Bit*h what?

@hesham69 Жыл бұрын

As an exmuslim in the middle east I can tell you we are a lot and we have a bigger struggle here what really gets to me is how the eastmis portrayed as different we are not different we are just oppressed and Religion is a major part of that and helping extremist organizations to gain power on claims of democracy is not helping education and economical reform is the way to go , and aljazerah is just another peice of spreading propaganda for the fundamentalists

@SaraSila08 Жыл бұрын

Btw sending ya love & support from a fellow زنديقة 😁🇩🇿🤍

@Vhlathanosh Жыл бұрын

@@SaraSila08 "idk why drew agreed to participate in the first place" This was my reaction when I saw the title of the video. Like why? AJ is more relevant in the Middle East. An American/Christian perspective isn't helpful to them.

@AsFewFalseThingsAsPossible Жыл бұрын

How important was the Arabic translation of "the god delusion" in this area ?

@lastyhopper2792 Жыл бұрын

Yup, they (somehow) take cases of christians leaving their religion as a win to their religion, Islam. "Headnews: Europe and U.S. forsake christianity." Masking the grander phenomena of human gaining rationality and letting go of old outdated moral teachings and mythical magics in the age of information. I simply hope media's algorithm won't be able to effectively polarizes people.

@ramroum1783 Жыл бұрын

I understand. I´m also an ex-muslim living in the middle east and the amount of pro-religious propaganda (even from the newer generations) is mindboggling. What´s worse is they get away with it because most people are religious and no political party that represents atheists or secularists exists. Nevertheless, I do believe that things will change, after 100 years if not now.

@uroborous1660 Жыл бұрын

As a hindu from southern India, atheism is not unheard of. We are usually open about it to our family. They usually say " you will gain faith once you get older" . Atheism or agnostic belief is seen as the right of passage for many young ppl. Many of us go through this phase where we analyze our relationship with god or existence of god. While some do choose to believe in god over time, others don't at all.

@celestialsatheist1535 Жыл бұрын

Ah an ex Hindu i must say you never read a word about from Hindu scripture. Hinduism is incredibly violent towards people who don't belong to the cult Atharvaveda 12.5.62" tear, break, break, smolder and devour and turn to dust, who rejects the Vedas" Atharvaveda 2.12.6 …Burn the enemies of the Vedas. Rigveda 6.22.8 … Burn the enemies of God, Vedas and hatred... Rigveda 6.52.3 ...throw your destroying weapons to destroy the enemies, wealth and crops of the Vedas. Atharvaveda 20.93.1 …Destroy the enemies of the Vedas Rigveda 6.52.3 …throw your destroyer weapons to destroy the enemies of the Vedas, wealth and crops. Atharva Veda 20.96.4 …He kills the enemies of the Vedas, undesired.

@DailyHacksAlpha 9 ай бұрын

Happened to one of my fornd when we were young.. with time passing he start believing in God.. he said I don't know about this whole universe and if I don't believe in God and if he really exist then it could really affect him and there is no harm in believing in him...

@santasingee9065 4 ай бұрын

⁠@@DailyHacksAlphaits called “pascals wager”. Only problem is.. if you had believed or wagered on the “wrong” God, the “real” god is going to be mighty pissed with you😂😂😂

@gamingdragon1356 4 ай бұрын

@@santasingee9065The abrahmic religions has one God. In eastern religion god doesn't care which form you pray to. In most polytheistic religions it doesn't matter.

@yuritardid7761 4 ай бұрын

But in India for the most part you are still expected to follow the rituals and customs. For example I have a Brahmin friend who told his family he's an agnostic atheist, and they were fine with it but they had a problem when he started eating meat and especially beef. I guess it's the difference between abrahamic and dharmic religions. In abrahamic ones its about belief + actions and rituals where as in dharmic ones its all about your actions and rituals regardless of whether you actually believe

@lastyhopper2792 Жыл бұрын

I'm an ex-christian. I live in a muslim-majority country, and I too, afraid of revealing this to even my close muslim friends. Although, I'm sure they wouldn't care about it, I simply won't risk giving this information to anyone who knows me. There are many extremist muslims that are more than willing to persecute people who they deemed to be a threat to their god. Also, If I somehow did that, I bet, my muslim friends would then advertise their religion which I then won't be able to openly disagree with. The only stance I can take if they offer me Islam would be: "I'll think about it." said with a wry smile in hope of not offending them. Tbh, Islam is a cancer to society in the eye of non-muslim... And a paradise to the eye of most muslim. The thing that annoyed me the most, is that they can't seem to realize how restricted they are to even exercise their basic human right (e.g., have freedom to switch belief or no longer believe without the fear of harm done to them by others, other irrational rules regarding women, etc.).

@raidermaxx2324 Жыл бұрын

why even have friends that are muslim?? Surely, with the interne tthese days, you can network with people that align with your beliefs. Why would you want to hang out with "friends" who you to constantly lie about yourself and who you are, to?

@lastyhopper2792 Жыл бұрын

Because my country doesn't allow atheism. @@raidermaxx2324

@AhsanUddin-nk6me Жыл бұрын

@@raidermaxx2324 Problem is,connecting through internet is not the same as having face to face friendship. And especially as an ex-muslim,it's so rare to meet your kind that you kind of have to be friends with Muslims.

@raidermaxx2324 Жыл бұрын

@@AhsanUddin-nk6me that sucks bro. Well i aint an ex-muslim , im just a regular old atheist, but if i lived in your hood, i'd be your friend. take care man, stay safe.

@raidermaxx2324 Жыл бұрын

@@dddd-vf8zm "country based names" ? what would that be like? For example, tell me some country names from Canada, and England! just two names each :P

@jimwallstrum371 Жыл бұрын

People can demonstrate their atheist beliefs with Christianity without fearing for their lives. However, those rejecting Islam must often prepare for the violent reactions that will come from those of the Islamic believers.

@hrh4961 Жыл бұрын

The Religion of Peace.

@rainpooper7088 Жыл бұрын

It's not like they're getting much support from the outside either. There was a video by a German KZbinr sarcastically titled (paraphrasing) "Why all those ex-muslims turn into racist islamophobic Nazis" which involved talking points that would get you branded as one of those things if you were to address them in spaces that are meant to be supportive. For instance, feminist spaces discouraging women from speaking up about oppression and their religious trauma when it comes to Islam when bringing up that same trauma with Christianity or Mormonism would be accepted and supported because they "don't want play into the hands of racists".

@tgstudio85 Жыл бұрын

@@hrh4961 I call it religion of piss;) Seriously Islam is more of a cancer then Christianity or any other religious cult.

@raidermaxx2324 Жыл бұрын

well i think it also depends on where you live, and whether or not you live in a democracy or not

@aben4628 Жыл бұрын

Exactly

@anthonii.x Жыл бұрын

I think there is room for Drew's approach, and also the old approach as well. Coming out of religion was a really hard experience for me, having people there mocking religion was comforting in a way. Something that did a lot of harm to me being taken off a pedistal in a humorous way helped me a lot. Maybe I'm biased though, cus it wasn't KZbin content that turned me into an Atheist. I actually sought this stuff out when I deconverted.

@polyarcylamide Жыл бұрын

Yes, I agree that the Four Horsemen are important for getting the word out, for being sensational and running all the debate circuits and talk shows during their peak popularity.

@nunyabiznes33 Жыл бұрын

What you guys looked up resources? Me I just stopped believing. Sounds crazy but one day I just asked myself if I still care and realized idgaf anymore. Pretty funny looking back.

@anthonii.x Жыл бұрын

Very similar story to me lol @@nunyabiznes33

@Zangelin Жыл бұрын

As an atheist with no background in any religion because most swedes just don't have one. This is very interesting to me. Especially the whole "community" aspect of it since it seems there is a need to form a community around everything a person does, even just not believing in something. Coming from somewhere where this is perfectly normal this to me comes off as starting a community of people who do not eat green peas or something. But since you come from religious communities to begin with it makes sense to wanna see people will similar beliefs (or lack there of) since otherwise there is just kind of a hole left in you where something used to be, while for me I never had something there to begin with.

@dthomas9230 Жыл бұрын

America's God crowd are very tribal.

@martinmckee5333 Жыл бұрын

One other thing I would mention is that it is often very difficult for some religious people to keep their religious views out of secular communities. I've been in situations where people have expected religious participation in a community choir, a computer language group, at a stable that does equine therapy, and at my place of employment. Sometimes, the only comfortable option for community away from belief here is a community specifically based on such non-belief.

@Mar-dk3mp Жыл бұрын

Is this the stupid era where godless alone people are theologian (yes, sure when they believe there is No God, No Soul and No afterlife, how they can be theologian if they do not believe in GOD? that why thery are all full of BS) but they are so obsessed with us, because they live by reflection of what other people believe and not really have a real identity? Ye, Obsession, and BS that what they have to offer, just like their cult called Atheims. (do not lie, that is just but an empty cult) No respect for you and your godless miserable life. (They really stands on nothing, that how their life is... Nothing , but obsession for what other people believe, because they got less sacred things in their poor life) then DO NOT TELL ME THIS IS NOT A CULT AND THOSE PEOPLE ARE GODLESS ALONE PEOPLE WHO STANDS THEIR MISERABLE ON NOTHING AND ON WHAT OTHER PEOPLE BELIIEVE BECAUSE THEY ARE SO ALONE AND JELOUS OF US; WHO HAVE SO MANY THINGS SACRED IN OUR LIFE THAT THEY DO NOT: NO RESPECT FOR THEM. Imagine to be a godless alone idiot (without God) with No God and no dignity, into an empty worthelss cult called atheism that does not lead anywhere but your own lonlyness run any time you see godless ass to kiss it, because you do not have God in your miserable alone godless life. what? Are you the godless alone idiot, you be f those instead him something done does when he stopped to believe in God? And that you removed God from your heart to put lies and shit from for this empty cult that both JG gives you, but BS and lonlyness... Let's hope this godless worthless generation will he over soon just as their stupid atheism. You are worthless to anyone, and also to you, godless alone (or Godless ass kisser without any dignity) LET'S BE CLEAR TO THOSE GODLESS PEOPLE... WE ARE JUST TIRED OF YOU TALKING ABOUT WHAT YOU DO NOT EVEN BELIEVE;as obsessed idiots. That why they always come here "saying they were Christian", or "Saying personal stuff about themselves" or "Saying something superficial" or "Makes stupid jokes" or "Laugh as stupids" (They do that because they have less secret things in their miserable life)... As be a Christian or a believer makes you have more to have more precious things in your live, and much worst to be a godless and soulless desperate (alone) idiot. But any way... LET'S START AND SHOW HOW MUCH NONE WILL MISS THOSE PEOPLE AN THEIR EMPTY CULT WHEN IT WILL GO BACK FROM THE NOTHING IT COMES FROM... ALSO BECAUSE IT IS WORTHLESS... (And without God you are more worthless then the believers... that is simple the true). Why godless alone people are obsessed with God?? and talk about him more then a believer? Well for many reason.... 1) About that BS called atheism there is not much things to say, no value, no sacred things and and it leads to nothing. 2 And then because they know they are so many godless alone people that will run to kiss their ass... 3 they do that so this cult can be alive, otherwise is destined to vanish, exactly from the nothing it comes... because is nothing but a cult that has nothing to offer to us and neither to the godless alone people who belonged to 4 And finally this cult will be vanished without those videos and those godless alone people will be just alone. And who said the opposite is a godless alone hypocrite. This cult called atheism is so empty... And those godless alone people really have nothing to offer to themselves. They have less sacred things then us... what an idiots they are for that too. Let's hope in a better generation because this is so lost. You are into an empty cult that leads you nowhere... No respect for you, godless ass kisser.... You really left God to put BS and emptiness in your miserable Life. No Pity for you. (God is always you do not know)..... We need to move to a better generation, and Hope godless alone people like you will not exist anymore in the future (you are worthless your cult called atheism). What you realised that Atheism is just an empty cult? That Have nothing to offer to you, or to the humanity? It leads to nowhere? To the Obsession for God? For Christianity? That there is not comfort on it??? And that live and die as an alone godless person is not the best you can have? Just as have the idea that once you die you will be Nothing (and Nothing you are now, as you become what you think you will be once death) is not the best for your mental and psychological stability? Or have sacred things (as other people have) and you do not (such God) is so idiot that you are rething about everything and start to believe that Atheism is not but a BS, and a trap you are in???? They are patethic and worthless as their empty cult called atheims, which will not lead them anywhere, but a alone godless desperate life that they will never admit it. No respect for them. THAT IS JUST AN EMPTY CULT, AND WHEN IT AND THOSE GOLDESS WORTHELSS SOULESS PEOPLE WILL BE BACK TO THE NOTHING THEY COME FROM, NONE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT. NO RESPECT FOR THEM AND THEIR NO SENSE CULT (godless ass kisser, with no dignity)... THEY BRING EMTPTYNESS as their cult called atheism... Shame on them and their desperation.... Anyway only a pathetic person can learn something from someone who explain you a thing obsessively that does not even believe... (with videos that are not helpful for their life...) WHAT AN EMPTY NONSENSE MODERN CULT YOU ARE TRAPPED IN, AND YOU ARE NOT AWARE OF........ Atheism is just empty BS, but those godless alone people are so sad to do not get... Let's hope in the new generation, this one is so lost, and none will cry when their worthelss atheism will be over. Your wortheless empty Atheism is dragging you to the nothing it give to you (and to us) but you are too pathetic (as atheism) to get it. No repesct for you godless ass kisser. No respect for you Godenier... You just worth as your atheims: 0. For real what an empty cult... when this worthelss cult will be over none will complain... Our faith is much stronger then your empty BS. Deal with it. (it is far better to be a God believer, then a godless alone person as you in an empty cult that does not give us and even to you anything)..... THIS IS A CULT, in which those godless patetich people does not deserve any respect.they life stand on nothing, and nothing they bring. Let's move on with a better generation, none will remember this one.

@nunyabiznes33 Жыл бұрын

I hope you Swedes realize the danger you are in from vehemently religious people that you have imported.

@sidstovell2177 11 ай бұрын

Ditto. I lived 25 years in Canada, 25 years in N California, and now retired in Mexico. I never knew any Christians. I find these atheist videos fascinating bc I like case histories but I don't relate in any way. Best wishes. I love your films and noir writers.❤

@adammuhsin_ Жыл бұрын

I was raised a Muslim, but ever since I was in High school, studied Biotechnology and then went to college, Studied Biology and learned about Evolution, I’ve been highly skeptical of religion. I still consider myself a Muslim, but I generally consider myself agnostic. It’s EXTREMELY frowned upon to be an atheist or agnostic in Islam. I live in the U.S. and even here it’s frowned upon. Especially if someone is LGBTQ+. I haven’t finished watching this video but hopefully I’ll be able to relate.

@roberteriksen6434 Жыл бұрын

It's called agnostic atheism. A-gnosticism specifies you can't know for sure, which makes sense for an unfalsifiable claim. A-theism means you don't believe theism to be true, which also makes sense for an unfalsifiable claim. 99.9% of theists are gnostic theists. 99.9% of athetists are agnostic atheists.

@MarcelaElviraTimis Жыл бұрын

@@roberteriksen6434I think I'm an agnostic theist 😅.

@roberteriksen6434 Жыл бұрын

@@MarcelaElviraTimisWell, then at least you're halfway there already.

@sal-the-man Жыл бұрын

I think you should understand how flawed the Evolution theory is. Remember also keyword THEORY basically means that it isn’t confirmed or not.

@starlessfae Жыл бұрын

@@sal-the-man i think you dont know what a scientific theory is. youre conflating theory and hypothesis. this has been debunked tons of times, you can simply look it up because google is free.

@nafise440 Жыл бұрын

Apostate Aladdin is one of the best critical thinkers I've ever seen. Thank you for inviting him

@Naafidy Жыл бұрын

I love ApostateAladdin! So glad you two could collab and give him a voice.

@James-wv3hx Жыл бұрын

My Christian " friend" has been preaching to me for years. So I asked him the other day. If God commanded him to kill his daughter, if he would. He said absolutely. So I asked him how would he know if it was God and not some charloten or voices in his head from schizophrenia. I haven't heard back from him. 😊. I love your show. I liked listening to a former Catholic Priest Alan Watts lectures - On Being God. He's funny 😅. I think our founding fathers knew what they were doing when they established the separation of church and state in the first amendment of the Constitution.

@zoyadulzura7490 Жыл бұрын

When someone's trying to push their religion onto you, I think it's fair game for you to criticize and question their religion. There are religious people in my life who are very dear to me, but the "God first, family after" thing is disturbing.

@Andrei-sg7lu Жыл бұрын

That's because most of the founders were deists.

@endisnear306 Жыл бұрын

FYI why would God break moses law?

@mosseater111 11 ай бұрын

That man sounds like a genuine threat to his daughter and anyone around him... Please keep an eye on him, there are many religious people who would love the chance to harm people on the basis of religion, which is subconsciously why one of the reasons they choose to believe in it so vigorously.

@sidstovell2177 11 ай бұрын

Alan was a superb teacher, and a flawed man.

@brianh9358 Жыл бұрын

I wanted to make one assertion here. I understand that some people see Dawkins, Hitchens etc. as "attack dogs" that paint a negative light on the atheist movement. However, I do believe there is a need for such individuals, even as there is a need for atheists who take a more diplomatic approach. I look back at any struggle in society and culture and the quiet diplomatic approach can't be the only tool. In Civil Rights both Martin Luther King and Malcolm X were needed. It may appear that Malcolm X was too much of a firebrand - but he emboldened many black people to stand up for their rights. Jesse Jackson walked along with Martin Luther King but he was much more direct and outspoken about injustices. Would gay rights have ever moved forward without the Stonewall Riots or without outspoken representatives like Audre Lorde? In any case, I do believe that in order for Muslims who became atheist to have the right to live their lives without being murdered, it may take more than a peaceful and diplomatic approach. Sometimes anger and truth are needed.

@Leszek.Rzepecki Жыл бұрын

Well, I'm not too happy with Dawkins about his attitudes on trans issues, he seems pretty ignorant there. But I can't fault his writings on religion and atheism. And Hitchens was an eloquent speaker against religion, I do miss him. Yeah, if we are to progress, we do need revolutionaries, just as we need to accept they aren't going to be perfect.

@caffetiel Жыл бұрын

'atheist muslims' is a phrase that could probably use some work?

@joschafinger126 Жыл бұрын

Exactly. You need to shatter the complacency and self-righteousness before you can actually get a conversation going.

@WingedAsarath Жыл бұрын

@@Leszek.Rzepeckiyeah Dawkins really fell badly in my opinion when he failed to exercise any critical thinking and proper research with regards to the trans community.

@StomachPlug Жыл бұрын

@@caffetielFormer *insert religion* atheist, perhaps? 🤔

@GenesiisDavid Жыл бұрын

I'm glad I found your channel in 2017 when I started my deconversion journey. I remember being so terrified of hell and what happened if I was wrong. The fear of rejection from friends and family too was unbearable. Your videos helped greatly, they opened me up to the wider atheist community. Keep doing what you're doing!

@Mar-dk3mp Жыл бұрын

@Quranictreatment2000 10 ай бұрын

I'm ex-muslim from Bangladesh 🇧🇩.

@andresvillarreal9271 Жыл бұрын

I love the intentions of both of you, which are a lot more about secularism than about atheism. The real enemy is the grip that religious organizations have over our societies, not the fact that people believe in one god or gods or another, or even in no gods at all.

@MischaMischief Жыл бұрын

Al Jazeera Arabic frequently translates stories very, very differently from how they are framed on Al Jazeera English. If AJA translates this story, I would be interested to know how it differs from the English version.

@torglesnarfprime Жыл бұрын

Oh... now I'm very curious. Could you explain what you mean by this?

@SaraSila08 Жыл бұрын

@@torglesnarfprime What they meant is that the arabic speaking audience that is "majority" muslim (there are millions of arab non muslims and atheists that would appreciate) wouldn't appreciate this story translated to arabic bcz it simply deals with the topic of atheism which is shun down here & in the islamic world in general. But hey, AJ is already islamically biased and has an agenda so...

@warpspeedscp Жыл бұрын

I dont think they would ever even think of publishing this in arabic, iean, who wants to post content that could get them lynched?

@miro.georgiev97 5 ай бұрын

I should note that Al Jazeera Arabic and Al Jazeera English are, in fact, separate branches of the same organization. This means they have separate editorial staff, who make separate editorial decisions from each other, such as choosing what stories to publish and what stories to ignore. They have a common mission by virtue of both being part of a Qatari state-owned, oil-funded media corporation, but they should not be thought of as mere "translations" of each other. You will rarely, if ever, find the same exact stories in Al Jazeera Arabic that you do in Al Jazeera English, the only difference being language.

@FactStorm Жыл бұрын

Yet Al Jazeera would quickly pull back if you say anything about Islam..which ironically proves our points against religion. Smdh..keep up the good work!

@fathybalamita1537 Жыл бұрын

They are also anti LGBQT+, especially if you follow their arabic channel and website.

@unclescar5616 Жыл бұрын

On the "I don't want people to feel like they are alone" mission, as a beneficiary I can assure you you it has been accomplished. You channel was one of the first I came across during my deconstruction and deconversion, and it (and a few others) has been a place of solace for 4 years now. Especially considering the fact that I live in a constitutionally recognise Christian nation in Africa where less than 5% of the population is Atheist.

@dharmagirl5889 Жыл бұрын

I so wish I had had access to content like this during the time in my life when I lost my faith. I grew up in a self contained religious system, where it was more or less expected that you would go through your entire life in that denomination's elementary, middle and high schools, colleges, medical schools, and hospitals. Virtually everyone I had ever known had been a part of that system. I had spent probably 15 years telling myself that I was just on one end of the spectrum of the faith. In my early 30's I finally came to the crushing realization that I simply did not believe the things I would need to believe to be part of the church. In that moment, I lost my entire community. It took me YEARS, filled with loneliness and alienation, to recover from that loss to the point of feeling ok. I don't think I'll ever completely get over it. Seeing this kind of conversation would have helped a lot, and I'm so very glad that people going through the same kind of experience now don't need to do so alone.

@mosseater111 11 ай бұрын

@@dharmagirl5889Hey, I know it probably won't mean a whole lot hearing from a random youtube comment, but I genuinely hope you're having a good day, man. You deserve peace and affection like every human being, hope you're able to with the internet to maybe reach out with others who went through something similar and become friends!

@HassanRadwan133 Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for having this incredibly important discussion. Much love to both of you.

@diedertspijkerboer 4 ай бұрын

I think that the strength of the four horsemen was their willingness to challenge the assumption that Gos is good and religion is good for people. Through them denouncing this vehemently, believers suddenly had to prove the claim they had always believed in. And that changed the rules of the game.

@TheNotoriousCommenter Жыл бұрын

ALWAYS a GREAT day when Drew uploads❤

@yoshigottagun Жыл бұрын

As much as I hate the position I'm in as an ex-christian, I can't imagine what its like for an ex-muslim. If it came out I was an atheist, I might lose a few friends or get kicked out of my house, but I would never be concerned for my life even in a very conservative area of the US. Its very brave to be so openly apostate.

@JCW7100 Жыл бұрын

Drew, you are always so thoughtful and measured. I absolutely love your content. It is needed

@yerocb Жыл бұрын

I'm 15 minutes in and this is already amazing. Just subscribed to Aladdin's channel and looking forward to it. The point about "angry atheists" really hit home. I was raised Unitarian, but without any specific belief in any God. When I discovered Atheist KZbin well over a decade ago, it was very much about arguing against extreme fundamentalists, which I thought was very entertaining. I wasn't looking for deconversion or support. Honestly, it started to get a bit boring. That's about when I discovered you and Paulogia. People dedicated to helping people try to get out, showing there is another way, that their questions are legitimate, that they shouldn't get mocked by either side for asking them, that what they thought was love was often abuse, that there is peace and happiness on the other side. I am very glad you do what you do and how you do it. Thank you!

@johnbrzykcy3076 Жыл бұрын

Do you mind if I ask, what do you mean by "there is peace and happiness on the other side" ? Thanks...

@yerocb Жыл бұрын

@@johnbrzykcy3076 That you can be happy and at peace without believing in God. Not my journey, but I've heard several people (pretty sure Drew is one of them) that has talked about how they were taught that atheists were all sad and miserable and that they believed it well past the point that they believed in God. It was a barrier to leaving the church and embracing atheism.

@lynnewebb4573 Жыл бұрын

This is awesome content, Drew! Thank you very much. I was never a Christian but grew up in Australia in a time when religious instruction was a normal part of school life. It bored me to tears but there was no getting out of it. However, I've come to be grateful for that early introduction because I later learned that you should never argue against something you know nothing about. I grew up in a household that was very fact orientated and loved science, technology and medicine (there was also an abundance of warmth and love). I was lucky. My dad was well-versed in the bible and taught me the value of solid arguments and debate. My real life hero is Bart Ehrman and I have several of his books. I truly believe that religion, of all kinds, is a curse that only massive amounts of education in critical thinking can eradicate. Thank you for your channel and the wonderful efforts you make toward true enlightenment. I applaude you!

@sidstovell2177 11 ай бұрын

Perfect!!

@KayleLang Жыл бұрын

While content of people being snarky is fun for someone already converted, it's extremely damaging to convince people who are on the outside. I was certainly on my way down the red pill rabbit hole due to condescending tones of self proclaim feminists. Catchphrases like "check your privilege" or "die cis scum" made me very adversarial to progressive movements. I got out of that hole when I notice the hypocrisy and the harassment tactics.

@neoqwerty Жыл бұрын

If assholes within a progressive movement were less palatable than the other assholes in the other extreme, you might want to do a LOT of introspection and check a few closets for some dissonance or self-hatred. Every group has the insufferable assholes and when you only notice the ones on one side and it pushes you to another, that's... That kinda tells me you don't really have a lot of personal ethics and you decide a lot of things based on how it makes you feel.

@rainpooper7088 Жыл бұрын

True. They weren't even actually catchphrases, I doubt that most feminists or trans rights activists would take them literally, yet alone subscribe to them. However, if you're already down the redpill rabbit hole, the creators you're watching will definitely paint them as such and have you believe it too. That's why we need creators like Drew.

@WolfA4 Жыл бұрын

Is it? Both of the people in this video who said they were turned off by the overt Atheist debating believers both later became atheist regardless of their feelings. For some, people like Apostate Aladdin are palatable flavors of atheists but those who stand there ground and do not allow theists to assert something without evidence are necessary. IMO both @Genetically Modified Skeptic and Apostate Aladdin mischaracterize Atheist debaters as simply trying to "score points" and "win" rather than refusing to allow baseless assertions.

@daralic2255 Жыл бұрын

@@WolfA4I see the atheist debate sphere as the necessary agitator.

@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana 3 ай бұрын

I much prefer if people openly hate me with statements like "check your privilege" or "die cis scum" than having to endure the combo of de facto hatred from religious groups for every minor deviation from their morals and toxic ☣ positivity. I see it as them saving me an hour of talking in circles. And I am grateful for it.

@TisButAScratch666 Жыл бұрын

I've always really appreciated Drew's measured, thoughtful and caring approach to discussing and even debunking. Thank you!

@Joey-kd8lj Жыл бұрын

As an ex-Christian whose home country is majority Muslim, I was aware of the ways that questioners can become shunned from their own families and communities. For me, I grew up in a Pentecostal church (that has ties to Focus on the Family) and I started questioning and feeling out of place in my early teens. Part of it may have simply been that I'd gone to international school, so didn't have many things in common with my same age peers, but also I had always been drawn to science. However, a big impetus for me leaving was that my grandmother suffered a stroke, and the helpers were off on Sundays, so it wasn't worth the effort. It took me a long time to tell my mum that I'm a non-believer (I think she's still Christian). In my experience, it wasn't necessarily frowned upon to ask questions, but I didn't really have anyone to ask, and during uni when I asked questions like "how can you reconcile the theory of evolution with the book of Genesis?", I didn't get satisfying answers. Also, I have to say that I'm on the same page as you when it comes to the existence and nature of God, so I identify more as an agnostic than an atheist.

@lazerbeam134 Жыл бұрын

I was raised around Christianity but I don't identify as an ex-Christian because from a young age I rejected the doctrines they were trying to teach me tbh. I wasn't baptized and my parents didn't pressure me to attend church services. I remember going to Sunday school and VBS in accordance to my dad's wishes (I think he was trying to appease his mother) but that didn't last too long. They basically kicked me out for asking too many questions they couldn't answer. I learned early if your worldview can't withstand the scrutiny of a child's logic it was probably not worth much lol

@wonderkid-wr7mh 4 ай бұрын

As a middle aged Hindu, this is not what I usually watch, but man, am I glad I did! Both of you young men are examples of good human beings. You are critical thinkers, but also genuine and humane. And courageous. You are a rare breed in world's today. My best wishes to you both. I hope more boys see you as role models.

@SanabiturAnimaMea Жыл бұрын

What a beautiful, respectful conversation. I have so much admiration for both of you.

@bobbucker5891 Жыл бұрын

In regards to the 4 Horsemen, I think they were necessary. They were the wildfires that have to burn down the old growth forest so that new plants can grow. We don't like wildfires, but they DO serve a purpose.

@secondopinion89 Жыл бұрын

This conversation about the current hostile tone of atheists online... Thank you!! I felt like I was the only one feeling this way... being turned off by the bully ridiculing almost vengeful atheist tone and their 'community' 🙏 Once again Thank you for letting me know I'm not alone and that there's a small group of us who have deconstructed their faith yet want to be kind and empathetic to those trapped by their believes. PS: If being an atheist is 'tough' in the US imagine how much more in a religiously drenched culture like India's. Sigh! Well that's another story :) keep up the great content!

@nostalgian4113 11 ай бұрын

Ex-muslim here since 21 yo as something i started identifying myself with (2013-2014), i never left my muslim religious country, and still. It’s really hard pretending to be something I’m not everyday and i lose many friends or peoples respect when i am out as atheist rather than just a sinner, but i learned to look at it as culture, and i clearly don’t care for slip ups if suddenly my hair isn’t covered or that i don’t pray or whatever, as the country opened up a little and as i and my family grew apart i care leas and less. But it was never easy and I still struggle to this day, I almost ended my life in 2018 for not being able to handle it anymore, I couldn’t see a future where i could be myself, nothing saved me I just couldn’t do it, and as time passed and the country isn’t strictly religious anymore it got better, as i started making my own money it got better, but I still have to abide by their rules. I agree a lot with Aladdin points and thoughts, we share a lot of them. Finally, I wanna say, thank you for making this video with an ex muslim view, it does make me feel less alone even though we are hundreds and thousands miles apart, I appreciate it very much. I wish you and Aladdin the best, stay safe.

@DGT_-mv5ju 11 ай бұрын

Hey, truly sorry to hear about that. Just interested in what country ur from and why you decided to become atheist?

@ilovecookies2532 11 ай бұрын

Atheists have a p-ersecution fe-tish lol, I have never heard of an atheist getting arrested here

@bigbowlowrong4694 2 ай бұрын

The only time I’ve ever seen actual hate in someone’s eyes personally is when I once told a Muslim I was an atheist.

@progenjoyer Жыл бұрын

you are genuinely one of the most empathetic and logical youtubers talking about these kinds of topics, and i think a lot of people can appreciate that.

@mjjoe76 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing a broader view on your channel. I don’t fault an ex-Christian for focusing on their own experience, but it’s helpful to share the perspective of those who arrived at atheism from another religion.

@SaraSila08 Жыл бұрын

Not any other religion, it's a fatal cult. As an arab atheist we're living in it.

@EC-cm8sf Жыл бұрын

I was smacked out of religion by Hitchslaps, so don’t knock the shock and awe method. Is calm philosophy based conversions necessary? Absolutely! But don’t underestimate how many people were saved by Hitchens.

@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic Жыл бұрын

Very interesting! I’ve heard this a couple of times before, which is why I see the issue as rather gray. Thanks for the input!

@EC-cm8sf Жыл бұрын

@@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic I think it’s primarily because I was so comfortable in religion, so confident that I was right. I never had the need to delve into the slow paced long philosophical videos. What Hitchens did was made me stop and think, “hey! wait a minute, he’s got a good point”

@Haikuhiaku Жыл бұрын

As someone born into a fundamentalist religion and just couldn't believe in gods, i never really thought to look for community in the lack of belief. Even with years of watching Atheist debates and lectures, it never felt like a real community that embraces me exactly. I think part of what i reach for by watching and absorbing atheistic material is processing the religious trauma that is trying to make me bitter. We are beat over the head all day, every day with gods. It is exhausting to try to find a reprieve from theists and theism.

@robertmunciework Жыл бұрын

I love how Al Jazeera a state owned media company owned BY THE GOVERNMENT OF QATAR is talking about the cultural preference towards Christianity in the US as being problematic (which is totally fair) when the government bank-rolling this news station is run by a deeply problematic country with a state religion and laws against homosexuality.

@the0nlytrueprophet942 Жыл бұрын

Al Jazeera are so weird as they do good reporting, but are clearly super biased

@michaelmullenfiddler Жыл бұрын

I think that the aggressive--take no prisoners--approach of people like Dillahunty and Hitchens is necessary, but not sufficient, in the greater conversation.

@VuNguyen-mh4oo Жыл бұрын

Both You and Alex O'Connor rock! Among the young superstars of modern skepticism. Subscribed and a Patreon member myself.

@jenna2431 Жыл бұрын

I don't even care if they give up their "god" as long as they back off the whole "...and you will worship our god, too, whether you want to or not." If they need a fairy tale, it's whatever. There are a lot of reasons why Christians hang on to the emotional life raft that is Christianity. I'd actually predict that the generational Christianity CREATES emotionally neglected and damaged people who then perpetuate that illness.

@SammyLammy1D Жыл бұрын

One of my best friends is an ex Muslim. I was born and raised an atheist. We talk about it a lot, but she is also scared to talk openly about it. She stills lives with her mom and pretends in front of her and other relatives. I am trying to help her and she is trying to move out, but she said that even after she moves out, she won't talk about Islam for a few years.

@gugion 3 ай бұрын

Speak out against being a former Christian, lose your friends. Speak out against being a former Muslim, lose your life.

@mudkip_btw Жыл бұрын

As an ex-evangelical christian, I love al-jazeera's coverage of your channel. They're much more open than what I would expect from some christians. Hope it does something positive in the long run

@davidsenra2495 11 ай бұрын

Al Jazeera is one of the best media networks ever. I find deeply ironic that a network from Qatar is so much more rational than the right-wing religious garbage we get from the western world.

@a.I.y. Жыл бұрын

I just watched the Al Jazeera video last night. Their focus on only ex-christian atheists was hanging in the back of my mind. Your commentary here is one of the reasons why I love this channel. It's so very important for you to cover every base. Excellent work man.

@SaraSila08 Жыл бұрын

They focused on atheists with a Christian background whom left Christianity NOT Islam & that's the key point. An Exmuslim atheist story wouldn't help AJ in their islamically biased agenda and shitty ideology, that's why they only chose atheists from Christian backgrounds💁🏻‍♀️ speaking as an arab atheist girl living within a muslim majority country in North Africa.

@christinacody8653 Жыл бұрын

They visually showed Hemant Mehta (a former Jain, but had experience visiting Christian churches via, "I sold my soul on eBay," where he placed an ad on eBay that was won by a Christian who sends individuals to churches to let those churches get feedback on their approach. That relationship has faded away in the years since. They did make the bias toward deconstructed ex Christians, though.

@Mar-dk3mp Жыл бұрын

@orirose9100 Жыл бұрын

i really appreciate your content and the work you're doing to promote other apostates/people who have left religions other than christianity. i grew up in christian cults (christian science, the church universal and triumphant), which weren't evangelical but were definitely fringe extremists (one was a doomsday cult lol). atheism and skepticism are deeply important to me because they helped me escape my abusive home. hearing your voice and seeing you uplift other voices in the atheist/skeptical community means a lot to me, because i always think of other abused kids in high-control religious homes who may find some safety and hope in them.

@chadbrown4758 Жыл бұрын

The kind of conversation that goes,"Atheist need to stop mocking religion.." just rings so tone deaf to me because so many conversations with theist is about things that have nothing to do with atheism but they imagine that it does so you're just unpacking all these bizarre conspiratorial concepts they've associated to atheism.. you don't even have to bring up atheism.. just the act of say.. talking about evolution is interpreted as being both an argument for atheism and an 'insult' to them.

@stubbyhawk1 Жыл бұрын

My journey out of Christianity started with me looking for answers in the Bible, finding it lacking, and then moving into Street epistemology to try and understand why I believed what I believed. From that point I eventually found Drew (et al) on KZbin and have been following them ever since. I still struggle with some things (ie - never seeing lost loved ones again), but am moving forward every day. Thank you for all the help you have given me along my journey.

@mizotter Жыл бұрын

Thank you for a lovely, informative, and honorable conversation. BIG LOVE to you both! May both channels prosper! Thank you for your service!

@NIL0S Жыл бұрын

The four horsemen were a necessity. They were the spearhead, and a formidable one, at that. They helped shake me awake, and I'm sure this is true for many others. When it comes to the Islamic world, I put great hope into reform, I think that's a necessary step before apostates can be safe.

@monkeytime9851 Жыл бұрын

I strongly disagree with much of this. Hitchens, Harris and Dawkins had the right approach initially, speaking up against theocratic voices and those pushing religion on everyone around them. They never attacked grandma in the nursing home declaring her an idiot, etc. You can continue the fight agaisnt theism without being an ass, and they did. Any criticism of religion will be interpreted as some as an attack against them, and that's not something we should be stopped by.

@raquellopes4547 Жыл бұрын

I agree with you. In some parts of this video, it sounds like we have to be apologetic atheists, trying to prove something about our integrity using the other side term's. I agree that we need both approaches, but some of us just want to speak our minds just like the other side does.

@zuglymonster Жыл бұрын

They're talking about people like The Amazing Atheist and Matt Delihunty (sp) they are straight up nasty. And Matt isn't really very nice to people IN the atheist community itself. He just likes to attack people. It's one thing to attack those who are shoving religion on you. I agree with that 100%, it's another to openly mock people who call in who are deconstructing and trying to come to answers, struggling with for example heaven not existing, him treating someone struggling with that is what made me very strongly dislike him. I was in my own search to try to convince myself there WAS a heaven because my fiance had just died. I watched him mock how desperate this person was and hang up on him. It was obvious he was just desperately trying to find a way to convince himself it was real. And there was zero compassion. Zero understanding. It made me think if I as an atheist called in and expressed "I know deep down heaven isn't real, but I want so much to believe because I want to see Adam again" how much hed have mocked me. Would he say I was lying because no atheist would feel like that? Then I heard about his reputation in the community. I don't watch videos with him in them anymore

@monkeytime9851 Жыл бұрын

@@zuglymonster I can agree about Matt, but that's more about demeanor than it is about what is being said. I do agree atheist people should not act as Matt does with contempt for people. But atheists SHOULD act as Harris, Hitchens, Dawkins, etc did, with contempt for theocracy and for the nasty parts of religion. You can respect the believer without respecting the belief and we should not confuse the two.

@kevc5532 Жыл бұрын

@monkeytime9851 Harris and Dawkins in particular have jumped onto the right wing bandwagon. Dawkins has used his position to link being anti-religious to justify being anti-trans people. Both Dawkins and Harris have gone down the path of being islamaphobic using rhetoric that dehumanises and dismisses rather than seperates the people from the flawed beliefs. They similarly refuse to condem extreme Christianity in the same vein. There is an old clip with the two of them clashing with Hitchens over it, with Hitchens bringing up his time in Northern Ireland, and the problems he saw with Christian sectarian violence, and both Harris and Dawkins were trying to excuse that so that they could focus exclusively on targeting Islam. Drew has the much better approach IMO. He rejects the arguments from religion, but in a way that doesn't dehumanise. He is will to address issues, and like in this video when they acknowledge that ex-Muslims do have more to fear than ex-christians he is willing to call a spade a spade. But he is also trying to be genuine, open amd kind in a way that gives people an opportunity to safely doubt their faith.

@BroJo676 11 ай бұрын

Criticizing Islam is rewarded with death scripturally while the exact same thing can't be said about Christianity. The New Testament doesn't require that people should be killed because they reject or criticize Jesus as Jesus was the one killed for criticizing the Pharisees

@ilovecookies2532 11 ай бұрын

Funny when it comes to stuff like personal hygiene you always use the old tastement

@SineN0mine3 7 ай бұрын

@@ilovecookies2532 was that supposed to be a joke?

@ilovecookies2532 7 ай бұрын

@@SineN0mine3 The old testament has an ap-ostaty law

@rasol-007 Ай бұрын

@@ilovecookies2532 Hey habibi, are you trying to justify apostacy klls?

@ilovecookies2532 Ай бұрын

@@rasol-007 I don't ask China and their Uyghur gen-ocide

@alexaustin6961 2 ай бұрын

I grew up in a very Christian household, and many of my close friends were and still are Christian. In high school, I started questioning my faith as when I was doing my Bible readings I was finding myself gaining doubt in the faith, and started questioning a lot of the assumptions I had held for a while. I went to my friends who were very Christian to discuss a lot of ideas about free will, problem of evil, and other things I was thinking about, and I was just not able to get them to converse with me at all. They would not engage with me and quietly shut down the conversation. Online was amazing because there were plenty of people, both Christian and atheist and more who were more than willing to engage and share ideas. Channels like this one are amazing because they get many people of all ideologies to question and understand their faith more, and hopefully have more discussions around it as well.

@BSpinoza210 Жыл бұрын

When you challenge a persons fundamental beliefs, you challenge how they fundamentally look at right and wrong, good and evil. To accept what you're saying is to acknowledge that they've been wrong, or evil. People hate being told that, and will actively and passionately reject that idea, as we all tend to view ourselves as the protagonist in our own stories.

@boboak9168 Жыл бұрын

Apostate Aladdin has some really good content and delivers it in an excellent way.

@expeditionadventure318 Жыл бұрын

I miss the old militant atheism in the style of Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris, etc. It was fun but I'll admit that this more mild and sympathetic approach is probably much more productive. Lovely video as always, Drew! 💪🏻

@zuglymonster Жыл бұрын

I don't miss it. At least not the extreme rudeness like Matt. He's so nasty to everyone, no matter if it's a Christian being rude or someone deconstructing and talking about their fears and doubts. A person who is seeing their religion isn't real but is struggling knowing heaven isn't real, they won't be reunited with loved ones. And he mocks them "well you're not going to so deal with it" *click*

@NovaSaber Жыл бұрын

Never liked Harris to begin with, and Dawkins went off the rails long before he started to lose popularity. But yes, we do need firebrands willing to call a spade a spade. And there is no justification for pretending that angels are in a different category than cryptids, that creationism is in a different category than conspiracy theories, or that the Catholic Church is in a different category than crime rings.

@therealjetlag Жыл бұрын

@@zuglymonsterI’ve only ever seen him be rude to the belligerent word salad types. I’ve never seen him behave that way toward someone expressing their fear about leaving Christianity. There was a woman who rang in 3 or 4 times and just asked questions and he answered them with empathy and grace. I do agree, however, that his manner is often pretty hard to take. He reacts the way I would, which is why I don’t do his job.

@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana 3 ай бұрын

What is the point of being openly Atheist if you are just going to be under religion's thumb and go along with its propaganda like the de facto deification of humans? 🤔 You are not actually free of it. It still maintains a tight stranglehold on you.

@ks20234 4 ай бұрын

A Hindu isnt forced to go to temples or worship a particular God or worship in a particular manner only or subscribe only to a particular metaphysics or set of beliefs - in each of the above parameters a Hindu is free to choose his own and yet he will face social ostracisation or any other persecution from anyone. A Hindu goes to temple only due to his personal beliefs or perhaps due to his respect for his family traditions, but never out of fear from society. Religion is way to God-realization - to love God - can love and fear ever co-exist.

@MultiCappie Жыл бұрын

Christopher Hitchens spoke for me, as a lifelong atheist. He emphatically staked the territory of the enlightenment philosophies, on which the constitutions and other institutions of the stable democracies were built. He wasn't "trying to deconvert" people, but remind the religious that actually, we've always been here too, and what "made America great" in the first place was science, industry, democracy and human rights - not religion.

@travcollier Жыл бұрын

On more "aggressive" online atheists... I don't think it is usually anger. Frustration seems a better description of why they are often dismissive and ridiculing. This is even more true of folks arguing against creationists.

@Charlotte-hv6ll Жыл бұрын

Great video and thanks for introducing me to Apostate Aladdin. An amazing new voice who can teach me a lot

@RePlayQ Жыл бұрын

I’ve been an atheist since I was a little kid. I find it hard to even be acquaintances with religious people. I feel like I have so little in common with someone whose able to take such big jumps in belief. I remember in second grade talking to a kid who thought the devil caused disease and going “I’m pretty sure it’s germs” and at that point realizing these people are crazy. I can work with you, but don’t expect me to ever have a conversation with you.

@mrmensiont6907 2 ай бұрын

You should have alladin on more , his points are very interesting but he doesnt get enough recognition

@Decanta Жыл бұрын

This video is a really good look at the overall dynamics of these issues in our different cultures. Your cool, calm, and empathetic demeanors are really refreshing. Thank you both for the hard work you do 🙏❤️

@DrownedInExile Жыл бұрын

13:00 I get where Apostate Aladdin is coming from. But I would argue Matt Dillahunty gets mad and mocks believers, because of the intellectually dishonest arguments they keep regurgitating on his show. I don't think he's a bully.

@Leszek.Rzepecki Жыл бұрын

I've listened to Matt, and yes, he is a bully. I mean I sympathise, he's dealing with religious nitwits. But that approach isn't going to satisfy those who get comfort from religion. That needs a bit more diplomacy. I hadn't realised this would turn into a debate about Matt. I agree with him on some things, but not everything.

@DrownedInExile Жыл бұрын

@@Leszek.Rzepecki Matt isn't running for public office, so he doesn't have to pretend to respect intellectually dishonest people. People like Matt, Dawkins, Aronra, the late Christopher Hitchens got fan-mail from some of the most fundamentalist religious regressive places on this planet. From closeted atheists living every day in fear. You want to talk about comfort, think about them.

@Leszek.Rzepecki Жыл бұрын

@@DrownedInExile Well, sure, Matt isn't required to respect anyone, he's a free agent. And I certainly appreciate famous atheists willing to speak out and support those still living in closets. I'm gay, I know how constricting living in a closet is. I just don't think trashing theists to their face is a good way to go. I was lucky, there were no repercussions from my apostacy. Other's aren't.

@BobHutton Жыл бұрын

I am in two minds about not being aggressive to religious types. As a general rule, if they are being polite, so will I. Also, as a strategy for Drew and others like him to get others to re-examine their faith, then, if it works, all the best to them. However, a lot of religions are saying really aggressive and really nasty things about me. Things like I deserve to be tortured for all eternity for not accepting the ridiculous notion that God sacrificed Himself to Himself in order to stop Himself from torturing all of humanity for eternity. If religious types are going to hold to such nasty and aggressive positions about me, they are in no position to preach to me about being polite to them.

@johnbrzykcy3076 Жыл бұрын

I'm a Christian believer and I actually appreciate your views. I'm usually non-confrontational so I try to respect people. I disagree with your observations about " the ridiculous notion.." because that's not my perception of the foundational aspects of Christianity. My faith is based on a loving God. I'm not familiar with this channel but it's conversational discussion makes it interesting for me. Respectfully...

@BobHutton Жыл бұрын

I will concede that the traditional view of the Christian God presented from pulpits is of a loving God. I will further concede there are passages from the Bible that do support that view. The Beatitudes, for example (although I really have no idea what to be "poor in spirit" means). However the fundamental message of Christianity, often exemplified with John 3v16, is quite sinister, I would argue. How is sacrificing your son an act of love? Why did God need to do it anyway? Couldn't He just forgive people without such a gory ritual? Why should I "perish" if I don't "believeth in Him"? This "love" comes across as highly conditional. It's fine that you disagree with me, but, I would argue that the Bible is (largely) on my side.

@johnbrzykcy3076 Жыл бұрын

@@BobHutton Actually I struggle with the same questions that you mentioned regarding John 3: 16 ( but it's still one of my favorite scriptures ). God's love for us through Jesus' incarnation and crucifixion does seem to be "conditional" as you mentioned. For one thing, is God's love for me dependent on the condition of how I believe in Him? And specifically on how I believe in Jesus Christ? So although I said previously that I disagree with some of your comments, I do honestly become frustrated with my lack of understanding some scriptures, specifically the verses which imply that Jesus had to die for our sins. So I appreciate your honesty. I do believe God loves all of us because He created us. And although I don't understand why Jesus had to be crucified for us, I don't want to reject God's love. I don't think another finite human being would willfully die for a sinner like me. So the story of Jesus' death must go deeper. No problem with your questions. Each of us need guidance from God and I hope we find it. Respectfully from Florida USA

@BobHutton Жыл бұрын

@@johnbrzykcy3076I appreciate your honesty too mate. All the best to you from Melbourne, Australia.

@Anakin.Skywalker44 5 ай бұрын

My parents are half religious and i grew up with a few christian picture books with noahs ark and stuff but i always took it as just stories, i was actually a bit confused when i found out that people took those stories as factual happenings

@emiranup 4 ай бұрын

Imagine a religion so peaceful, you are killed for leaving it.

@balsarmy 5 ай бұрын

I consider myself as agnostic. But to be honest I haven't understood atheists in their kinda radical view. but now I understand. All religions MUST be critisized and discissed, but most importantly for political engagement and human rights violation. Most of big religious groups are creating agressive rhetorics and do not make world a better place. However I am sure people get some light from religions, we shouldn't become crusaders against religions as a whole. But at least reaching some reformation would be good

@skatopolisii624 4 ай бұрын

THE HITCH SLAP!! You cant deny the fierce wit and satisfaction of delivery in some of those debates loll I was turned atheist by going to church with my parents and lyrics/experiences from the punk-rock/metal scenes and genres of music solidified it in me. I was an atheist before The Four Horsemen aka "New Atheists", but their take-no-shit stern attitudes were amazing to me because they did it without calling for violence and argued for the increase of the well-being of humanity constantly. To me and my punk-rock/metalhead friends those videos were fun af and also good for hearing the arguments from the varying theistic sides. I remember some friends coming away after those videos questioning their faith I dont like those militant atheist meme pages that literally bully ppl for likes, but those four horsemen videos were never bullying like atheist comment sections do/did. I dont ridicule ideas for "points" and i dont make fun of the person, just their ideas/theories. And only if/when they start saying im going to hell and be tortured for eternity and/or they start calling me a "faggot" and "retard" for saying harmless blasphemy like all Abrahamic religions are inconsistent with reality and historical analysis/evidence or detailing the numerous diff. gods and religions in competition with theirs. All religious concepts that condemn unbelievers to hell, or any suffering while living, deserves mockery, sometimes harsh mockery, imo. The construction/manual labor working class ppl that i live around, and who swear every other word, religious or not, dont care if content is harsh tbh For example.. the opening of the TV show Preacher, and the show itself, was absolutely amazing and has actually made my lifelong Christian parents question their faith in ways i never thought they would do. That all being said, being considerate is the safe and nice bet. But, their religion isnt nice and safe. Some powerful ppl quite literally pray in a god that will deliver the end of days and would welcome a nuclear apocalypse as judgment day. I'm reminded of that AC Graylings quote: "Religious apologists complain bitterly that atheists and secularists are aggressive and hostile in their criticism of them. I always say: look, when you guys were in charge, you didn’t argue with us, you just burnt us at the stake. Now what we’re doing is, we’re presenting you with some arguments and some challenging questions, and you complain." Their crucifix torture devices everywhere and constant threat of worldwide genocide and eternal afterlife suffering is harsh and rude imo..

@yoavba5706 7 ай бұрын

2:58 may I remind you that Al Jazzera is a Qatari "news" network, only playing the interest of Qatar (which is obviously, not democratic) which is a Muslim emirate, why would the Muslim network have a problem with showing the wrong sides of Christianity in the U.S.?

@OTCAtheist Жыл бұрын

Satire and Mockery most definitely contribute to battling religion. A friend was a huge influence and contributor to my deconstruction journey via numerous conversations over a few years, and his making fun of my beliefs and religions in general. To begin with the mockery pissed me off, but then started questioning what I believed, why I believed it, what evidence did I have to support my beliefs. After 4ish-5ish years of researching and studying religions and their histories, I finally fully shed the chains and shackles of religious lies and bondage.