Dear Sir, You said a lot in a short time. Every word was useful, made sense, and led someone who writes music away from the path of alienating an audience. Thank you for this brilliant essay. It means a great deal.
@franciscoaragao96723 жыл бұрын
Steve Hinnenkamp Yes, Steve. Yes.
@xentryst7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this upload. Many do not understand that just because modern music is not always tonal does not mean there is no reasoning behind the motion.
@danielarco85665 жыл бұрын
"A composer needs to be able to build transitions btw kinds of harmony".Thanks for your uploads,Mr.Belkin.It's so interesting and inspiring every time.
@snugglethorn7 жыл бұрын
The Persichetti book is utterly phenomenal. Written to be USED, which can't be said for a LOT of books on 20th century harmony that are either WAY too steeped in 'mathematical proofs, or are just a string of examples the most basic types... reminds me I ened to reread the Persichetti in case there was something that I missed earlier
@kiliankemmer24463 жыл бұрын
The best thing i found on KZbin ... in any category...
@segmentsAndCurves3 жыл бұрын
Meme category?
@stevehinnenkamp56257 жыл бұрын
Thank you, sir, for an invigorating, concise lesson. You open doors to a territory to be discovered and shaped by the individual. Bravo!
@balbino4 Жыл бұрын
Very good! I love yours classes! Thank you very much, Mr. Alan Belkin!
@carlbergquist40728 жыл бұрын
The piece at 3:11 is fantastic. It inspired me for my composition assignment.
@robstorm68676 жыл бұрын
anybody know if there is a full piece for it?
@ameliagryffon70976 жыл бұрын
Rob Storm it sounds like something out of Muramasa the Demon Blade.
@bronktug24465 жыл бұрын
Is there something wrong with your ears?
@alejandrom.46805 жыл бұрын
@@bronktug2446 the piece is beautiful, you're the one that may be deaf here.
@rosiefay72834 жыл бұрын
@@alejandrom.4680 I find the sound and texture beautiful. The oboe tune is nicely in a smallish range, with not too many wide leaps. Extending this fragment to a composition of substantial length, though? I remain to be convinced. The composer would have to create tension and release (otherwise the composition would be boring), and find some way of making resolutions convincingly *sound* like resolutions. Tonal harmony provides the means to do this. Atonal music lacks this. It's not enough to just stick in the occasional chord that lasts longer than the ones before.
@simonsmatthew4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mr Belkin for your uploads. They are absolutely gold.
@georgemc75204 жыл бұрын
I have been following this channel for years. Having never had any formal training in music theory, one must seek out resources that crystallize or otherwise extend an understanding of the mathematical logic inherent in good composition. Your videos are excellent in so many ways. I don’t understand why this channel isn’t wildly more popular. Also enjoy hearing your compositions. Thank you for all the lessons. Each one is a special gift for the uneducated folks like me.
@chrismotion5798Ай бұрын
..this is great by your explanation, very inspiring and musical by the way, for the listener...
@roryquirkmusic7 жыл бұрын
High quality video with insightful discourse on the topic. Wish there were about 500 or so more videos on the same topic, going into more and more detail, as the production quality makes these easy to watch.
@alanbelkin92727 жыл бұрын
10 more are on the way, see: www.patreon.com/AlanBelkin
@timothytikker38342 жыл бұрын
The mode that you use in your example the the chapter "Harmonic Zones" is also Messiaen's sixth mode of limited transposition, first transposition, minus its seventh tone (i.e. B natural)!
@jannmikoingelrabagogamingc60122 жыл бұрын
Hey! As an aspiring music composer, I wanna thank you for providing us this video and your website for free! I am about to learn as much as I can on Persichetti's 20th Century Harmony - and hopefully do as much of his exercises - and this video is a great supplementary (or rather, complementary) material for me to learn alongside the book, really!
@asandl7 жыл бұрын
You are a great teacher Alan. Thank you for sharing your knowledge!
@andyokus49305 жыл бұрын
I learned so much from this video! Totally enlightening! I've been brainwashed by jazz pianists with their giant two-handed clusters for example. As in all of life simplicity is best! Thank you very much for clearing away My musical fog. Maybe I'll get to be a real composer one day after all. Gee whiz, I'm only 62.
@BlackHermit Жыл бұрын
Excellent lesson. Well explained, and the examples are so useful!
@johnpcomposer2 жыл бұрын
These are wonderful short courses and they are so clear I can keep them in mind and apply them as I compose. Thanks, Alan.
@RikrdoLudwig5 жыл бұрын
Greetings from Perú!, and thanks for sharing this.
@RodrigoRaez4 ай бұрын
Great information. Thank you.
@akita505 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely phenomenal. Thank you for your time and effort!
@poli.f.0nia3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! I'm not a big fan of atonal music but your examples were so awesomely crafted and interesting, so I shall study more of this so I can incorporate it to my composition :)
@VIRGILSEGALMUSIC7 жыл бұрын
This is simply. Truly. Awesome. Merci
@davidfreel14517 ай бұрын
Great and adult. Looking forward to more on this channel. Thanks :)
@zoltanns6 жыл бұрын
Outstanding video, very educational, clear, and inspirational. Thank you for the upload.
@juancarlosdavila65916 жыл бұрын
Thank you. You are a great teacher. I'm a composer who studied and studies composition but I didn't major in it. So your valuable help is greatly appreciated.
@Kosmo9995 жыл бұрын
oh my lord, 6:36 is SOOOO coool and beautiful. Thanks man
@ZERMELOmusic6 жыл бұрын
Wonderful video! Definitely some interesting things here to experiment. I also enjoyed the higher-level look at the concepts shared by both tonal and non-tonal systems.
@BertolozziMusic Жыл бұрын
You sir, are brilliant. Thank you
@smileswrappedingauze5 жыл бұрын
wow, you are a genius... so under-rated. (only 1:43 into the video thus far)
@gilevansinsideout2 жыл бұрын
Great concepts presented here. awesome work
@codawithteeth Жыл бұрын
thank you
@homeofcreation7 жыл бұрын
This was very enlightening. Thank you. Looking forward to the course.
@pumpkin19823 жыл бұрын
Great stuff Alan. How is it that this video has no likes.
@gabrielheiser4 жыл бұрын
Since tonal music is based on physics and math (e.g., the overtone series), I wonder if atonal music, such as that demonstrated in the examples here, will ever be acceptable to the ordinary person. After all, look at the most wide-spread music all over the world, pop music, which is still grounded in I-IV-V, for god's sake. So much for expanding the "ears" of the general populace with the passage of the centuries. If I am correct, then it paints a gloomy future for composers of concert music, who will attract an ever-dwindling audience. I note that harmonically adventurous "free jazz," popular for a short time in the 1960s, never really caught on, but "smooth jazz" is bigger than ever.
@OM-md6ki4 жыл бұрын
Idk generations change
@AttitudeCastle6 жыл бұрын
Alan, do you have any recommendations for reading/learning materials for Wagnerian/Late romantic chromaticism? I'd quite like to pad out my knowledge in the field to accompany my 20th Century, and modern harmony exploration! Any recommendation welcome :)
@michaelkennedy51264 жыл бұрын
thanks for the Persechetti book listing
@OEMFlores5 жыл бұрын
Bravo Maestro! thank you for posting this! super informative and educational.
@tomvanmoorst13177 жыл бұрын
Amazing! Very useful video.
@musicalintentions2 жыл бұрын
wonderful video, thank you
@svpagliuca7 жыл бұрын
Great lesson, Best from Maracaibo.
@jaygbardo87817 жыл бұрын
Excellent. Simply, excellent
@tivermusic7 жыл бұрын
Very educational video! Thank you for uploading it!
@paxwallacejazz7 жыл бұрын
7ths and 2nds so nice jazz pianists choice.
@alexandergadjiev37336 жыл бұрын
Thank You!!! Mesmerezing.
@nakedmambo7 жыл бұрын
A really great video.
@sarahdubois23867 жыл бұрын
extremely helpful - thank you.
@dixigmbh7 жыл бұрын
fantastic! Can't wait for more!
@omarkiam58087 жыл бұрын
great video thank you!
@ibizwhiz6 жыл бұрын
Mr. Alan, The music at 6:37, is That in any musical composition? if not it should be, so Lovely. Thank You.
@rexdxiv7 жыл бұрын
excellent! thank you
@AlexanderOrion2 жыл бұрын
That atonal line made me feel like I was gonna smash the keyboard before the resolution comes in at 11:33, wich sounds like smashing a keyboard
@1anya7d6 жыл бұрын
Very useful!
@zaferteomete52845 жыл бұрын
FANTASTİC LESSON
@emanuel_soundtrack5 жыл бұрын
vacuum and emptiness are nothing if without a good chord
@darklaboratory16974 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video. You mention "harmonic systems that don't make audible sense". Could you please name some, or link to some examples?
@ShaharHarshuv3 жыл бұрын
A lot of what you said make sense, but I couldn't connect to any of the musical example... They just seemed like... bad music. I guess it kinds of connects to what you said about "logical theories doesn't always have something to do with how people hear music".
@KK-gu2cf3 жыл бұрын
Hi, everyone. I'm a harmony learning beginner. I know intervals, but in 3:11, I don't know how to count on 2nd and 7th harmony in this score. To look at bass part or high part or both?
@lkh01207 жыл бұрын
9:30 hindemith harmony
@samangolahmadi27104 жыл бұрын
tnx
@patrickkyle46014 жыл бұрын
Lost me at 1:32 when he said the first and third chords are identical as are the second and fourth. A,F,G (ascending) are identical to D,E, F#? or G, Eb, D to C, Db, F. It may be that they are stepwise notes in a scale but they are different inversions which asks questions about the overtone series.
@Eliazer4 жыл бұрын
They are different transpositions of the same chord: 1 and 3 were both three notes separated by whole notes. It’s like saying 1/3 were major chords with different tonics, while 2/4 were diminished chords with different root notes. You understand?
@tomasschiappacassi24013 жыл бұрын
Did you mean Gabriel Fauré??
@dordiwesterlund25282 жыл бұрын
For the last 100 years, composers have written music, some of it absolutely wonderful, without adhering to any of these 'general principles.' There are no 'general principles'. This language of conciliation and moderation is just regressive and ideological because it stands in the way of people finding their own way - the only hallmark of quality and talent.
@dordiwesterlund25282 жыл бұрын
Recommending a book from 1961 on 20th Century (needless to say tonal) harmony, for heaven's sake.
@garrysmodsketches Жыл бұрын
Can you provide some examples of "wonderful" music from the 20th century that doesn't adhere to general principles?
@dordiwesterlund2528 Жыл бұрын
@@garrysmodsketches To keep it simple, start with Ravel and then everyone who came after.
@piccolomaniac Жыл бұрын
ah yes, Ravel notably didn’t use voice leading or accents 🧐
@zarkozivkovic79545 жыл бұрын
wow
@tarzan28574 жыл бұрын
woooooooooow
@lkh01204 жыл бұрын
no ...just hindemith harmony
@ImaginaryMdA3 жыл бұрын
"no ideological slant" that's impossible. You can't take your personal ideology out of anything related to art. I think what this really means is that you find the ideological slant to be agreeable, which is fine. Very interesting video, though.
@iranmehrmoment55196 жыл бұрын
نژادعسگر
@superhussein3 жыл бұрын
this video insults islam because its not muslim music
@garrysmodsketches Жыл бұрын
Cry about it
@asev19696 жыл бұрын
A lot of cacophony.
@bronktug24465 жыл бұрын
Atonal is yuck! 🤢
@tomofield Жыл бұрын
Brilliant 👏
@Nidomy7 жыл бұрын
I don't understand why all three parts arrive at their final notes by step. I see A going to D, B going to C and C going to Bb. Or is it something like: There are C, B and A And after that there's Bb, Eb, C and D So A has a note one step near itself which is Bb B has a note one step near itself which is C C has a note step near itself which is also Bb And it would not be in terms of voice or pitch, but more pitch classes. ?
@authenticmusic48153 жыл бұрын
What the hell are you talking about?
@Nidomy3 жыл бұрын
@@authenticmusic4815 4:00 : "and all three parts arrive at their final notes by step". I wondered what Alan Belkin at this time of the video. If we take the last notes of the penultimate measure, we get C, Bb and Ab. Now let's connect them to the nearest note coming after them. C is going to Bb. Bb is going to C. Ab is going to D. So Ab is not moving by step. So that's not what he means. So let's try another way. We have C, Bb and Ab as starting note and Bb, Eb, C and D as ending notes. I can connect C to Bb or D. I can connect Bb to C. I can connect Ab to Bb. Let's give D to C so that each note has a different ending note. Now everything is connected by step, but it's more about pitch classes than precise pitches.
@Elintasokas7 жыл бұрын
That was interesting. Great video.
@CharlieDraper6 жыл бұрын
A fascinating video, thank you for sharing it.
@funicon3689 Жыл бұрын
what a great resource
@jackdeago36392 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much
@whippleLopez7 жыл бұрын
great stuff but i don't see the link to the free book. Wonderful videos and course - thanks