Alcor's Chilling Scandal

Larry Johnson, author of "Frozen," spoke to Harry Smith about working in the world of cryonics, a science involving freezing human remains, and the alleged scandal at the leading cryonics company Alcor.

[@GeneralZombie]

Who is here from Vsauce?

[@reckless20]

General Zombie whats the video name

[@creativemakes1788]

Me, it's 'Should I die'

[@christianfriley]

In connection with the end of litigation, Larry Johnson has issued this public statement: “... For example my account of the Ted Williams cryopreservation, which was not based upon my first-hand observation as noted in my book, is contradicted by information furnished by ALCOR. I am not now certain that Ted Williams’ body was treated disrespectfully, or that any procedures were performed without authorization or conducted poorly. ..." (see settlement)

[@Crazylegs1234567]

The interviewer asked him did he go to the "head" of Alcor after Larry just told a gruesome story about a decapitated head

[@seanmcswiggan4615]

I love morbid puns

[@stormridergreyeagle]

if he is lying, why have there been death threats against him and his wife?

[@jordan_black1]

Sounds like a disgruntled former employee to me!

[@DucatiQueen]

YOU.......Sound like a paid shills To discredit him to me ‼️

[@cloudthief8918]

@@DucatiQueen I'm a bit late to say this but why would anyone pay someone to comment something? And also he's right

[@DucatiQueen]

Cloud Thief what are you...12 years old !?

[@Tyler-789]

D90Girl It seems you are the one who is 12 years old and can’t distinguish real life from conspiracy theory’s but have a nice day

[@kebekdisk]

My wife & I were 8 years with Alcor and we switched for the Cryonics Institute, the Cryonics Organization with largest number of members on all 5 continents for many serious reasons.

[@tome4846]

Yeah good luck with that. How much money have you already paid (lost) for that false promise.

[@kebekdisk]

Hi Tom ! I will pay my cryopreservation by my life insurance. Honestly, the price will be practically the same as the conventional funeral for me ... but I take a chance ! Cryonics Institute members & patients are fully aware there is no absolute guarantee or conclusive proof that this grand experiment will work - yet.

[@tim57243]

Hmm. I could shift to CI too. Tell me your serious reasons. Did you pay extra for standby with Suspended Animation Inc.? Have you looked at CI's financial statements to figure out if their stability depends on receiving donations? I have not. Alcor claims to have got their business in order to avoid structural deficit. I don't recall CI mentioning the issue either way, and I don't know whether that's because they never considered it or because they solved it long ago.

[@zamzamadan7453]

what is advantage

[@mansonnanson8294]

​@@kebekdisk still with us, Stephan? I am currently with tomorrow biostasis, as I live in Scotland. But they are small and juat starting out. I mostly go on trust. What do your guys offer?

[@SPEEDBOATMANIAC410]

I get brain freezes from eating popciles too fast and it takes me 30 minutes to feel better !!! I wonder what 30 years @ -300 F would do !?! I dont think I would bounce back. GOD Bless.

[@Superhoou]

God help me!

[@Daedalus675]

Well good thing it's spelled popsicles then.

[@egidijuskuprusevicius4225]

he is lying because if you hit the frozen head you get it shattered

[@cloudthief8918]

That's true. Especially at the low temperatures.

[@DucatiQueen]

I love trees..

[@kebekdisk]

Part 3 / The July 2009 judgment arose out of various violations of a 2004 settlement agreement with Alcor in which Johnson agreed to make no further public statements about Alcor after being sued for distributing and misrepresenting confidential materials taken from Alcor in 2003.

[@thehitchrules]

I believe him.

[@DharmaDogs40]

the book Frozen was really entertaining! Very interesting. I can understand why he is fearful after I read it. It still remains a favorite book of mine getting a rare glimpse into this science as well. I could not stop reading and I have a short attention span. It was like a sci-fi/horror/ crazy story. But it is real life!

[@FerdBrowne]

Cassandra Caza i read the book...absolute rubbish..the title of the book should read..'i hate alcor'

[@cloudthief8918]

@@DharmaDogs40 What is the book about?

[@cloudthief8918]

@@FerdBrowne Why so?

[@Samuel-gc2rm]

This is such bullshit. If that guy was my EMT I would scream for someone qualified. I wouldn't let that doofus check my blood pressure

[@fargolargopants1694]

Non profit? Really?!

[@thedude6405]

Definitely not, the top guys got paid 130k per year before 2008. It increased 5% every year.(From their pr news in 2008)

[@DK0526]

@panocha7777 first learn how to spell. Then do some research. You will find that larry worked for Alcor and was fired for trying to comprimise the files and photos of patients entrusted to his care. Criminal as the courts will show and unethical to say the least. Even if you dont believe that cryonics will work...then at least respect the wishes of the deceased. These people chose this service and paid to have it done...so Larry betrayed them.

[@kebekdisk]

DK0526 : You right !! Here in Quebec, we speak positively about Cryonics. Happy Holidays !!

[@DeathByConformity44]

@DK0526 Regardless of what the court of law says and regardless of how those companies continue to run, I still believe Larry Johnson's story. One man taking down an organisation isn't an easy feat anyway. He can't be expected to overthrow Alcor with one little book.

[@alwayson09]

It is better to go into stasis before disease renders the body useless for reanimation at a later date, I would also wish to terminate current existence and go into stasis given the option.

[@DharmaDogs40]

um, I am sick in this life but am 34 I will probably die in about ten years or sooner. I would want my whole body frozen...what is the theory of getting rid of disease after they dethaw me? I am broke so...is this still possible?

[@pootlebeardooperdil4356]

Do you wanna build a snowman?

[@jordsalexis]

I sincerely hope this isn't true. How could people do this to Ted Williams, greatest Red Sox legend ever? How could they do this to anyone? This people are awful and deserve to rot in hell if they did this.

[@PaulvonOberstein]

Some of Alcor's people are fanatical cultists and others are con-artists who only care about money.

[@kebekdisk]

Part 5 / Alcor retained counsel in Las Vegas, Nevada to enforce the Arizona judgment against Mr. Johnson, and a hearing is currently scheduled for June 22, 2010 to ask that the Nevada court remand Mr. Johnson into custody and have him extradited to Arizona.

[@a.l.e.x.a.7.7.7.]

Stephan BEAUREGARD Apparently, you are ignorant to the fact that judges, lawyers, and the entire U.S. court system are corrupt. Judges are often paid "under the table". Your lengthy rambling proves nothing.

[@a.l.e.x.a.7.7.7.]

Stephan BEAUREGARD Hey, your last name is all in caps, Stevie. Get my drift? 😉

[@DK0526]

> Cryonics is not about what Larry Johnson says it is about but about giving people who are dieing hope and a second chance as dignified a way as possible. Cryonics is just as important and difficult as Emergency Medicine but more so then palliative care. Since both E-medicine and cryonics attempt to save lives while pallitive care trys to dignify the art of giving up, it can never be as important. That doesnt mean I have to argue it as you persist to do so. I just don't see a reason for it here

[@YellowMisanthropist]

why so many dislikes?

[@DK0526]

>>> The epitome of arrogance is someone who spouts off thier horn about something in which they have no knowledge or credentials and when faced with facts or evidence they just retort "that they don't care about counter opinions or experience. People who act out like that are rarely taken serious and are considered ignorant and rude. Larry Johnson is the worst type of slime. He is someone who takes advantage of tragedy. He appeals to those who care little for facts to make thier judgements.

[@styrofoamandgasoline]

You can’t cut a frozen body at that low a temp... it would shatter on the first hit. No chance that if ‘flies’.

[@kyle18934]

could it snap off? I agree, it would need something big like a sledge hammer blow to smap off a chunk of ice that thick ( havnt dealt with a frozen person, and hopefully never will)

[@unknownchannel3141]

Wasn't this employee proven to be a liar in a smear campaign? However, we should examine the evidence we have.

[@johanShmohan]

Okay. a professional company wouldn't use a tuna can 🤔 he sounds like a sore looser

[@cloudthief8918]

Why would they even have a tuna can is such a place? It doesn't seem to add up. I think that this is all some kind of religion propaganda -trying to repel gullible people from Cryonics. Edit: lol I was not ok when I wrote this

[@PaulvonOberstein]

@@cloudthief8918 Cryonics IS a religion. There is no science involved. It is all faith-based nonsense fleecing dumb people out of hundreds of thousands of dollars. You may as well become a Scientologist -- at least you get to ride on the CoS's party boat of you pay them enough.

[@kebekdisk]

My wife & I were 8 years with Alcor & we switched to the Cryonics Institute, the Cryonics Organization with the largest number of whole body preserved for many serious reasons.

[@diannh2894]

What were the reasons

[@YellowMisanthropist]

@@diannh2894 cheaper. only reason i can think of

[@knerduno5942]

@@YellowMisanthropist CI also uses inferior cryoprotectant, is my understanding. As well, do no research, and has no storage for a few personal affect like Alcor does. That's why CI is a lot cheaper

[@patrickbateman1540]

​@@knerduno5942 CI is a complete scam operation compared to alcor tbh

[@knerduno5942]

@@patrickbateman1540 Possible. I read they recently interned a 14 year old girl who died of cancer. Probably because of the price charged as she had no insurance, and her grandmother paid for it.

[@problems9739]

If you have to die to participate , wtf are you doing ?? You’d be soulless

[@BinkieMcFartnuggets]

I've been doing my own home cryonics, take one jumbo cooler, fill with dry ice, and insert dead grandparent.

[@redditman3314]

First reply in 10 years.

[@umijs495]

Damn I remember seeing this guy post comments everywhere back in the day

[@mistakenvirgo1286]

You still alive bro??

[@nebulasmaximus]

the answer to a longer life is cloning..make new tissue and replace your old damaged cells...your body loses the ability to regenerate cells over time or your illness prevents the cells from reproducing normally...the solution is the create these cells externally and replace them..or replace entire organs...it has been done organs have been grown in labs before...but cloning has been outlawed while cryogenics has been allowed to continue even though the procedure has yet to accomplish anything.

[@gengarvenom]

This guy should just let it go.

[@dakotaatv1238]

If they hit the head it would just shatter lmao

[@cloudthief8918]

I feel as thought this is was all planned. He worked at Alcor only to later lie(or twist the truth) about both them and Cryonics. I have no proof but it seems like he doesn't actually know what Cryonics is[For] and he's just doing this as some sort of ( maybe religious) Propaganda or for money.. Edit: spelling mistake

[@PaulvonOberstein]

Alcor is a faith-based cult. Sorry.

[@honkerdoodles2764]

Sounds like Kazuhira Miller got a new job as a narrator

[@DeathByConformity44]

@DK0526 I don't care for your opinion or experience on this topic. I've simply stated my stance on this case, I don't need you egotistically thrusting your own opinion in my face simply because I disagree. As a palliative care worker, I dislike cyronics which may or may not colour my opinion as to Larry Johnson's story, however what goes on in a court of law in regards to this case is none of my concern, only the outcome of the future for cyronics is.

[@DK0526]

@DeathByConformity44 also you cant just disregard the courts of law especially in multiple states. Why would you trust someone selling a book with a profit motive over a court of law with morality as a motive. Sure the courts aren't always right but 9 times out of 10 they are. Book writers almost always say or do what they have to in order to sell thier book weither the have to tell the truth or lie. The penalty for lieing in a book is nill unless you slander. In court your word matters.

[@DeathByConformity44]

I certainly don't envy the facillity you work at, for you clearly are no credit to them or the health industry if you have no like for palliatve care. Palliative care is not about giving up. It is about helping those who have no life left. It is about caring for those with dementia and incurable illnesses that will lead to a painful death. It is about giving daily hygiene care to those who are physically and mentally unable. Cryonics is not and will never be as important as Emergency medicine.

[@DeathByConformity44]

I believe Larry Johnson, but it will be interesting to see how this plays out in court.

[@DK0526]

@DeathByConformity44 I don't care about your opinions or experience on the topic of palative care. Iv'e simply stated my stance on the case, I don't need you egotistically thrustimg your own opinion in my face simply because I disagree. As a Emergency Care provider, I dislike Palative care which may or may not colour my opinion as to your KZbin comments. Further I am not obligated to explain my opinions or beliefs to you. I simply voiced an opinion about you being misinformed, >>>

[@DeathByConformity44]

@DK0526 I am not obligated to explain my opinions or beliefs to youl. I simply voiced an opinion, that doesn't mean I have to argue it as you persist to do so. I am not offended by debate, I just don't see a reason for it here. You are misinformed, palliative care is not about helping people achieve death, but about making their certain deaths as comfortable, painless and as dignified as possible. Palliative care is just as important and difficult as holistic care.

[@SDKLarrabee]

wow equal dislike and like as of september 9 2019

[@SK-yo5nl]

I didn't rate it just to maintain symmetry

[@Year-ug4tb]

very lame

[@DK0526]

@ryanmaffia Jesus helps those who help themselves...so if this is the case then maybe jesus gave us the brains to figure out cryonics...I am not saying this is the case only that it is a possibility. Some christians believe in praying and others pray and go to the doctor also. The first group may be testing God and I believe that the bible warns against testing god! So Cryonics is for christians just as much as it is for aethiests or agnostics or any other religion.

[@codyjarvis3426]

Guys I would really like to here what you think according to the bible ? What do you think God thinks about this , comment quick thoughts please?? Any scriptures , I try to follow what the bible says. Ashes to ashes dust to dust .... love to here thoughts ???

[@Samuel-gc2rm]

Flying spaghetti monster...

[@DK0526]

@DeathByConformity44 perhaps the world doesn't care for your egotistical thrusting of your own opinion on the face of youtube either. If you want to spout off you opinions be prepared to defend them if they make no sense. I do not work in palliative care rather I work in emergency medicine so the fact that I am trying to save lives and rather then help people out of this world does I admit color my opinion. I dislike those who attempt to post drive by opinions but take offense to rational debate

[@xombieops]

Basically I think that the aliens "sit" in the minds of the humans and watch as idiots chop off the heads and vat freeze them, thinking that someday "they" would know what to do someday in order to revive them. A DeadHead connected to a computer? What happens in the event of a power-outage?

[@lilnate2191]

KARMACHOSIS It is not powered by power -.- it is simply a frozen body inside a container. It's not ice, it's liquid nitrogen I believe

[@cloudthief8918]

They have a generator and backup power. It would be pretty stupid if they didn't..

[@hihopes2004]

@ChrisWu....i know what you mean. I left a comment on a KZbin video they have. All i said was that i would not be able to do it because i would not be able to live without the people i have loved like family and friends and they wrote back to me saying i am a naysayer and its people like me who make history repeat itself. I felt it was almost an attack all because i said i would be sad to live without people i love. No joke they left me that comment.

[@jimmoss1744]

Tiffany Nicole I think your lying ... why would a company worrie about you or you comment .

[@nebulasmaximus]

i believe it ....the name alcor just sounds like they are a bunch of crooks...they dont want to bring humans back to life...even though it may be possible

[@RatgenerationX]

Im in a pod right now and Im doing just fine... well at least I think I am other than Im having a bad awaking... TECH SUPPORT!!!!!!!

[@MizzMetallikat76]

let it go! lmao

[@rehpotsirhc21]

More people need to speak out against Alcor, they have many questionable practices, even if you just browse their website. I also find it funny how no matter where you go online and see a discussion of cryonics or Alcor, the staff members are there and ready to attack anyone who disagrees.. If they truly had nothing to hide, they would just let it go.. I do not believe everything Larry says, and not everything Alcor says, the truth is somewhere in-between..

[@cloudthief8918]

What kind of questionable practices?

[@knghtcmdr]

@@cloudthief8918 The whole thing.

[@PaulvonOberstein]

@@cloudthief8918 Conning people out of hundreds of thousands of dollars for starters.

[@cloudthief8918]

@@PaulvonOberstein yep you're right.

[@Zeekiel]

This sounds too unprofessional for Alcor to do such thing...

[@patrickbateman1540]

That was back in the 2000s they weren't as professional back then as they are now

[@eperez9294]

Tonight we'll fly much higher... in the vanilla sky.

[@Superhoou]

You're trying to preserve a body in hope of recovering it with future medical technology. The funny question is, do you know how well you need to preserve it to be recoverable, with the current medical technology that you think "low technology". It's a shame you people give such bogus hope to people.

[@RatgenerationX]

Good thing you wont inherit the future!

[@Samuel-gc2rm]

Alcor is fully transparent about the need for future technology. This argument is irrelevant

[@Superhoou]

@@Samuel-gc2rm Being transparent about a need of a technology without basing on actual facts of a possibility is called science fiction. It's as bogus as saying someday we will have technology to be eternal if we could stop aging. Someone ancient said "Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world."

[@saintburnsy2468]

@@Superhoou You should read Alcor's website

[@eperez9294]

It's shocking to know that we have iPods the size of credit cards... But we can't figure out how to transplant a brain from a useless body, to a synthetic one.

[@tome4846]

What a stupid comment. FYI there are no synthetic bodies and most likely there never will be.

[@nothingiseverything827]

Humans will never be able to fly. Humans will never be able to travel outside of the earth. Or maybe humans could eventually surprise you, if you survive long enough to witness such things.

[@cloudthief8918]

There are already lots of people trying to create better and improved synthetic bodies for all people - not just the rich. The main obstacle now is the ignorant and stubborn people who argue against it. If you come across people like this, please try to explain your opinion to them.

[@kebekdisk]

Part 2 / in addition to amounts owing from a July 2009 judgment against him and his wife. These new sanctions were the result of Johnson violating the July 2009 Arizona Judgment to stop disparaging Alcor, stop distribution of private patient records taken from Alcor, return all materials pertaining to Alcor, and otherwise stop communicating with third parties about Alcor.

[@wissemaljazairi]

Crazy people 😝

[@kebekdisk]

Part 1 / Larry Johnson Found in Contempt of Court; Warrant Issued for His Arrest On May 28, 2010, the Superior Court of the State of Arizona found former Alcor paramedic Larry Johnson in contempt of court and issued a warrant for his arrest. The associated judgment also ordered Johnson to pay Alcor $34,107.57

[@geocina7]

A former employee full of shit and wrote a book to make money! Lol

[@cloudthief8918]

Exactly! It's a book written fools for fools. Nobody with half brain can believe it.

[@almercool5]

Alcor is my favorite company especially after researching, this video and this incident was so many years ago about 10 years. I don't know what happened then but what I know now is it's a very great company and the best in the industry

[@morgulstower5839]

Of course hes trying 2 make money but that doesn't change the fact this shit is true. A lot of ppl don't realize what goes on behind the scenes not just with this but with every company. I do which is why i never let other cook my food, i'm not interested in eating spit and god knows what else.

[@DK0526]

@DeathByConformity44 I was hoping you would see through my arguing method.....I actually dont believe that palliative care is useless. I was simply trying to illustrate through reductio adsurdum your method of argument. another words I just retyped your own argument against cryonics and substituted the word pallitive care. I was trying to show the folly of your argument and the offensiveness of what you had to say about cryonics. I fully support pallitive care in the same way I support cryonics.

[@knoxvilleguy2]

They actually had an episode of " L.A. Law " back in the 80's ( IIRC ) that dealt with a woman who wanted to be frozen before she died. I forget w / illness the character had, but it was terminal. I guess both in the world of " L.A. Law " & the real world, turning oneself over to be frozen w / be akin to assisted suicide.

[@Sabeza]

How fitting is the title of this video? Ironic lol

[@DK0526]

You didnt get that I had typed your exact word for word argument and switched out cryonics for pallitive care??? I did it so you might take a step back and empatize. It probly kind of ticked you off that I would hold such a position to pallitive care? You hold pallitive care as a valuable industry this is understandable it is valuable. I hope you can begin to appreciate how I feel when someone comments the same way about cryonics which I view as a valuable industry. Please understand my point!

[@PaulvonOberstein]

Cryonics is a scam, not an industry.

[@denniskowalski8442]

@@PaulvonOberstein a scam by definition involves someone profiting off of another person under false promises. First cryonics clearly makes no guarantees and more importantly it is an open records non profit industry. So who is profiting for it to be a scam? And what is the false promise that you can prove? Just saying something is a scam doesn't make it so.

[@hollyslaughter570]

Well if he has voice recordings then there's no denying that

[@Samuel-gc2rm]

He wired himself to make erroneous claims... that checks out I suppose

[@kingsleyoppong-wereko7239]

Williams will wake up and read the book on his decapitation 🤣🤣

[@BritMemes]

Fake news

[@cloudthief8918]

Obviously. But there are still people in the comment section supporting him and claiming that his book is enlightening (it's not).