7 minutes of Noish propaganda. Does anyone else think it's weird that Noish's shield is brown?
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@lancestriker01112 жыл бұрын
In your arguments about rings being given to Noish, there's one unit you forgot about: Lief. Lief is by far the best user of the pursuit ring in gen 2 due to his broken a.f. promotion, and the best way for him to use it is to inherit it from his mom as well as the money to buy the paragon ring at the begining of the chapter. While this is a lot of investment, a Leif promoted early in gen 2 is easily one off the best units in either generation. Of course Lief gets his items from Ethlyn, and Ethlyn leaves at the end of chapter 3. So when you look at it as a competition between Lief and Noish, Noish actually has a considerable amount of competition for that pursuit ring. Otherwise great video.
@dorcasmutton63352 жыл бұрын
Lief gets pursuit when he promotes though, he only needs the ring for as long as he's unpromoted. I'll agree that until then he uses it the best, but afterwards you have to give it to someone else
@lancestriker01112 жыл бұрын
@@dorcasmutton6335 My point is that Noish can't have the pursuit ring for most of gen 1 if Leif gets it, and there is a very good case for Lief getting the pursuit ring
@dorcasmutton63352 жыл бұрын
@@lancestriker0111 Fair enough
@noishfanboy11412 жыл бұрын
about leif with the pursuit ring its actually not that hard to get him the pursuit ring if you set it up right.The most important thing leif needs is the bargain ring since that allows him to get it for half price which he can get if you give him some cash with your theif.Now actually getting the bargain ring is pretty hard but not impossible and if everything works out you can get the bargain ring and have enough to buy for leif almost automatically.sure you have to baby leif pretty hard but its worth considering you pretty much just need him,seliph and maybe forseti arthur to clear the entire game
@ness60992 жыл бұрын
If you are worried about getting the pursuit ring on Leif, the bargain ring already does most of the work. If you don’t want to delay getting it and want to get pursuit at the same time, give Patty’s dad (Noish is indeed a good candidate for this role) the pursuit ring at the end of gen 1 and she can sell it after the arena then give her money to Leif. Usually I do Forseti Arthur getting pursuit ring, just so crazy. I don’t think Leif needs it as much as Paragon though, 2 arenas and a good amount of action on the map and he’s good to promote.
@noishfanboy11412 жыл бұрын
yeah this is one of my favorite parts of fe4 is that the game does an amazing job at differentiating units from one another.In most games the christmas cavs have very minor differences and usually the one you train depends on which one has better stats.But alec and noish are about as different as 2 units of the same class lines can be.Alec is a fairly normal combat unit who starts out really bad and who needs a lot of help to be good.Noish on the other hand is actually quite self sufficient but struggles due to lack of pursuit.Once he gets pursuit however he beats alec in pretty much every way possible.The contrast between these two is one of my favorite things in fe4 and the decision between which one you use is also one of my favorites.although my username probably tells you which one i pick
@fluffyninja34672 жыл бұрын
Damn straight my man. Compare our heros Alec and Noish to Cain and Abel from Fe 1, 3, or shadow dragon and you'll see just how unique these cavs are
@AstraProc Жыл бұрын
I agree. Its also cool how FE5 expands on that unique unit identity aspect with FCMs, movement stars and a higher presence of leadership stars. Not only that, but some units of the same class have access to completely different weapon types, similar to how holy blood in FE4 affects weapon ranks.
@TheNuts12252 жыл бұрын
I prefer the Christmas in July cavalier, Treck.
@FarhanH12 жыл бұрын
A new FE KZbinr? Yes. Give me MOREEEE. This is a really cool analysis and really showcases the cool design choices of FE4. Similar units on the surface level, but totally different in their unit feel.
@DavidKyokushin2 жыл бұрын
Just found your channel and binged all the FE videos. Underrated gem in terms of insight!
@lspuria84402 жыл бұрын
Honestly, Same.
@Garvant_ Жыл бұрын
Same
@5Points2 жыл бұрын
Cool video, I love close looks on niche fire emblem units in extremely specific situations
@Jadanbr2 жыл бұрын
Noish does require a good amount of investment, but it's rewarding, i think he is pretty good for the bargain ring in order to help getting the Pursuit ring and in the Paragon ring pass around (in one playthrough i did that) I do like the planning and execution that sometimes go in FE4
@tellierbop2 жыл бұрын
I don't really have alot to say on the christmas cavs. I think they serve as an amazing tutorial though. Alec teaches you about pursuit and has stats that lean towards that skill (skill and speed) while noish has critical and stats that lean towards tanking and one shotting enemies (lots of str and crit) it's up to the player to chose which skill they preffer and invest from there. I believe they were designed sort of like a choice. You can either choose the strong one or the one that attacks twice.
@ness60992 жыл бұрын
The fact that you can make a video about how different the Christmas cavs are in this game shows how awesome FE4 is. Usually if doubling is a problem the fast cav is better. If it’s not, the strong cav. The level of nuance behind this game combined with your analysis and interpretation of how things play out make for an excellent combination. Keep up the great work!
@ChillstoneBlakeBlast2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I freaking Love these two. At first, It seems like a No Brainer for Alec with Pursuit, but Noish has that off chance to kill the enemy with Critical/Accost procs. As Your weapons get Critical, Alec Becomes way better but if Noish wields Arden's Pursuit Ring, He Usually Outpreforms Alec. And Even as Fathers, they are either the "Safe but boring one"" or the "Risky but rewarding" one as well. Overall, These two are probably the best Example of a Christmas Cav in the series.
@bestboi43182 жыл бұрын
These types of videos are actually pretty cool, not much people compare or go in this much depth when comparing two characters, i would love to see more characters like this cus man this is going to big brain territory, (also background colours are nice :D )
@jonathanplooij36662 ай бұрын
i was so confused when i first played this and saw that noish did not double, despite having more speed.
@fluffyninja34672 жыл бұрын
This was a really cool video to watch, I love the dive on the numbers an calculations. Regardless, I always loved using both, so thank you
@DownToTruck2 жыл бұрын
Neat video. I am surprised you didn't distinguish their differences as potential fathers for gen 2. I guess their performance in gen 1 doesn't really translate to how good a father they are, but I usually put more effort into units I pair for gen 2, since I gotta put them adjacent to someone I am likely deploying anyway. I always wanted to try Noishe-Ayra out but I suppose that limits Noishe's movement.
@SweaterPuppys2 жыл бұрын
Subscribed for being one of the few people that make in-depth videos on FE4
@kaeoburgess74832 жыл бұрын
I have found the corner of the internet where Noish is appreciated. I love it.
@noishfanboy11412 жыл бұрын
yes
@vopop302 жыл бұрын
...I used Finn instead of either of these two.
@DownToTruck2 жыл бұрын
fe4 ain't a zero sum game with deployment. I usually use everyone until they naturally fall off in gen 1.
@spongbobsquarepants39222 жыл бұрын
I used Sigurd over either of the three, just kidding. You can and should use all the mounted units.
@thewindysage15382 жыл бұрын
I like giving Finn the prologue speed ring as it's not really contested in terms of who needs it to double Maybe it could be given to Adelle but he is on foot most of the time so whenever he attacks it's a much more controlled situation
@d.altounian2442 жыл бұрын
this is some great content please keep posting stuff like this it's great!
@ng8552 жыл бұрын
If only kain and Alba are this interesting
@CaveHunter477 ай бұрын
My last FE4 playthrough i invested into Noish specifically Man killed it
@Quaelandys2 жыл бұрын
you should keep up with this fire vids about fe meta and design, tho I enjoy the other stuff you've done too, hope you get a lot more subs soon man
@noishfanboy11412 жыл бұрын
something else about these guys is the magic sowrd build potential they have.Mekkah discussed this in an old vid of his but basically since male paladins have plus 5 magic on promotion since they have the same promo bonus as female paladins for some reason.with the magic ring this means that they get 10 magic at base combined with the magic swords might of 14.this leaves them with 24 attack at base which combined with the ability to double and the patheitc res of most enemies means that they can actually one round a lot of tougher enemies.this benefits alec much more than it benefits noish in my opinion since alec has damage issues that this build surpasses while noish doesnt.You see the thing with noish is that crits in this game actually cut right through your def but have a lower multiplier than standard fe crits.This means that hillariously bosses like langbard who has absurd defense with his wepaon and throne boost can actually get one shot fairly easily if you get a crit on them.the only benefit noish gets from this is 1-2 range which is actually pretty huge but overall i would reccomend giving the magic swords to someone like erin or maybe even like oifey in gen 2
@bimoprasetyo68622 жыл бұрын
KEEP IT UP DUDE !!! You're Very Insightful 👍🏻
@Mushroomfields Жыл бұрын
I always go with Noish, I just get him the skill ring and let him be. But his true importance comes from inheriting crits for the swordmaster kids and some necessary bulk to be in the front lines. I love this insights from the mechanics of the game
@MugenCannon97 Жыл бұрын
"Choose the one whose colour you like better" Theyre the same colour
@imnotnarcian2 жыл бұрын
Use both. why do you have to choose?
@Xertaron.2 жыл бұрын
It's tricky. Alec has the best and the worst skill, while Noish has 2 good skills. Thing is pursuit is available through an item and you can get the money for it with Thief Sword (and Dew should be fully stacked with gold after last chapter). Inheritance wise Noish is much better because he has a niche as a parent (good stats, crit and accost), while Alec gets overshadowed by both Beowulf and Finn. Nihil is completely useless in this game as enemies with crits are more rare than good map design in Gaiden. I can't even tell by their character, because they don't say anything after start of prologue. Alec gets like one conversation with Sylvia and Noish not even that. Ugh. And even with that in mind they're still leagues better than Alan and Lance from FE6 who might as well be clones. So i guess Alec is better if you're playing fast or doing substitutes run and Noish is better if you play a little slower (to the point that Arden gets combat exp).
@fybso30572 жыл бұрын
Noish was so weak, me and my brother called him the macdonalds cavalier because he critted like twice throughout the entire game
@domicraft63412 жыл бұрын
Personally I prefer Noish. Because I like his overall bigger strength. Alec get's more over the course of the game but grows too slow imo and Noish already has much strentgh. However they do feel like a duo that's meant to work together which is estabhlished in the very first turn of the game. Which is cool.
@MyrmidonRadd Жыл бұрын
To be honest, FE4 giving you the ability to use your entire army at once, as well as having maps so large and full of enemies, you really should be using both even if one were objectively worse than the other. Even Arden, sluggish as he is, is quite useful simply because having that extra manpower can make all the difference, and with Alec and Naoise being Cavaliers, they can throw their weight around all over the map, so they both retain a non-negligible degree of versatility in spite of their statistic specializations.
@AzumarillConGafasBv7 ай бұрын
i find Alec to be stupid with that towel on his head, Noish is cool because he has Critical and Nice video btw, love me some FE4 content
@lorenzomartinelli76652 жыл бұрын
A fantastic video! I have always liked Noish better than Alec but, before watching this video, I have never been able to pinpoint why
@printility9602 Жыл бұрын
Okay but hear me out. Alec has the cool hat.
@charsage10362 жыл бұрын
Honestly I think Noish is better yes it's expensive to make him better than Alec but he only needs the pursuit ring a item without much competition in who gets it and exp to become a very strong unit in gen 1 also do to the skill synergy it gives noish with pursuit ring is amazing meanwhile Alec can never really get that skill synergy and the skill that matters on Alec pursuit can be obtained by Noish and is arguably the best user of it meanwhile of the pursuit ring and Alec needs stat rings and those are definitely more contented yes Alec takes good use out of it but so does most of the cast and it can be argued it's more expensive to make Alec good he needs a couple ring and more expensive weapons meanwhile noish just needs the pursuit ring that's it no other rings and can work well with iron weapons. so in short when it comes to investment Noish gets more out of it than Alec but without investment they are almost the same on how good they are and that's mediocre still use them because cav in fe4 though.
@mysmallnoman Жыл бұрын
Few things to note here :- 1) crit rates are extremely unreliable so noish being able to crit doesn't give him an advantage, espacially since his crit chance is extremely low 2) noish is much worse in the arena since he doesn't double, and you showing your personal experience to show alec losing and him winning doesn't prove anything, Actually use data to back up your argument 3) the best user of the pursuit ring is Ethlyn -> Leif Actually, Ethlyn needs it to double with light brand to build kills for it since it's best 1-2 range weapon in gen 2 for Seliph that Literally lets him OHKO enemies reliably, NOT TO MENTION Ethlyn can easily get money via Her husband while Noish will compete for village money and he's not that good in the arena 4) the stat advantages between Alec and noish don't matter because they're small and Alec being able to double makes him extremely better, you mentioned that Noish has slightly better str so he uses the brave lance better however 1) alec can quadruple with it, making his dmg output better 2) the str advantage Noish has is small while Alec being able to quadruple is big deal 3) neither is the best user of it, Finn is, he gets the brave lance for free and he needs it to promote faster and be a great help in ch7 5) Alec taking an extra encounter in ch0+1 doesn't matter because Ethlyn exists, and the bulk differences between him and Noish are small and literally DON'T change anything :- Brigands in ch0+1 have 19 atk Alec has 7 def and 32 hp, so he gets 3HKOed Noish has 8 def and 33 hp, so he ALSO gets 3HKOed It's also the same for their combat : Alec = 9 base str + 10 MT steel sword = 19 dmg x 2 Noish = 11 bass str + 10 MT steel sword = 21 dmg Brigands in ch0+1 have 36 HP 5 def, that means Alec deals a total of 28 dmg per round and he 2RKOes while Noish deals 16 dmg and he 3RKOes Alec at base has objectively better combat
@WasherPlum Жыл бұрын
Absolutely Banger of a video.
@Marz776 Жыл бұрын
The fact that none of them is clearly better makes me like both, still Noish will always be my fav red cav
@mysmallnoman Жыл бұрын
Nah, Alec is Read my comment above
@Marz776 Жыл бұрын
@@mysmallnoman I dunno, Noish has given me better results almost always
@mysmallnoman Жыл бұрын
@@Marz776 read my comment in the comments section.........
@sakanagakyoko Жыл бұрын
Im used to gba FE but this one looks awesome
@greenpoolball51362 жыл бұрын
This video is cool.
@avinadadmendez40199 ай бұрын
Noish can be eventually good. Alec is forever bad.
@4sety Жыл бұрын
Alec fell off for me because I didn't get him the steel sword. I'm doing my first run of the game rn so I ended up giving the Steel Sword to... Sigurd. I didn't know Arvis would come in and gift Sigurd the silver sword at the time (which is funny because I already knew about a lot of other things like optimal pairings, Lachesis and Leif promoting to Master Knight, and, well, the actual story) and even then, I didn't really use it until well into Chapter 1. I still have no idea why I didn't sell Alec the steel sword afterward, but I still think I hardly needed to because I made a point of distributing the EXP and only throwing Sigurd in during emergencies and against bosses that others struggled to hit. Right now, Noish (with the Pursuit ring), Azelle (promoted and with a Magic and Speed ring), Ayra (with a Knight ring and Leg ring), Erinys, Lachesis (wielding all 4 physical weapons + Fortify), and Brigid are doing perfectly fine without Sigurd. I use him just to get kills on the silver sword for Seliph at this point.
@thereallifesaiyan2 жыл бұрын
I personally give the pursuit ring to Lex, combining it with his brave axe means that he is an absolute fucking beast in combat
@mysmallnoman Жыл бұрын
Not really because Lex has 11 base spd and Brave axe has 12 wt, so he literally has -1 AS at base with it, he would only Quadruple brigands and knights with it
@thereallifesaiyan Жыл бұрын
@@mysmallnoman Yeah and in this game most enemies are armour knights or cavaliers, he's one of the best knight killers in Gen 1
@kentknightofcaelin4537 Жыл бұрын
Finally someone says it!
@zedekiahobus9868 Жыл бұрын
Please help me how do I download an English version of this
@InvocationOfSebastian Жыл бұрын
Interesting insight, I never personally bothered to invest anything into these two because every unit is better and their growths and inheritance in general leaves much to be desired especially compared to the rest of the cast. In my playthroughs these guys are just never reproducing.
@joelcolegrove Жыл бұрын
In my experience Alec can't hurt enemies.
@kaidenmelon2 жыл бұрын
you ever consider opening a discord?
@Prince_Leif Жыл бұрын
ok I'm going to get backlash but Noish better than Alec. the only reason is probably personal thing but, what's the point of pursuit if you don't do damage
@mysmallnoman Жыл бұрын
Noish only has +2 str at base and he doesn't do more dmg Because he doesn't double Let's use math now : Alec = 9 base str + 10 MT steel sword = 19 dmg x 2 Noish = 11 bass str + 10 MT steel sword = 21 dmg Brigands in ch0+1 have 36 HP 5 def, that means Alec deals a total of 28 dmg per round and he 2RKOes while Noish deals 16 dmg and he 3RKOes Alec at base has objectively better combat
@joelcolegrove Жыл бұрын
I don't like either of them. I like Noish's name and artwork, but the other units just work out better.