I got laid off last week because I was coding too slow. Had I been using Zed, I could have closed more tickets 10-15ms faster. Dammit
@AZisk10 ай бұрын
😆
@amjedbelgacem821810 ай бұрын
top notch humour hahahhahaha
@DK-ox7ze10 ай бұрын
10ms per frame * millions of frames = hundreds of thousands of dollars lost in productivity 😅
@AZisk10 ай бұрын
@@amjedbelgacem8218Humor is appreciated here
@saitaro10 ай бұрын
@@AZisk Typical German.
@KAZVorpal2 ай бұрын
"One thing about Zed, is it is focused on stability." Next Scene: Zed crashes.
@kovalidis29 күн бұрын
It does not crash, it panics!
@mickeynissan988726 күн бұрын
@@kovalidis Hopefully by next version "Zed is focused on staying calm and composed".
@winfredj982010 күн бұрын
🤣🤣
@KAZVorpal9 күн бұрын
Maybe this whole video is a troll.
@hollyizza3672Ай бұрын
90% of the time i just stare at my code. Soo..
@ric8ard9 ай бұрын
Zed's response times wil be fantastic for use in films where everyone 'programming a computer' seems like they're on speed.
@fiberrs15 ай бұрын
no it feels they are on cr@ck
@StupidusMaximusTheFirstАй бұрын
ok yeah true, people don't really open move code windows or write code like this, still it's nice if it's more responsive using the GPU. Not a feature enough to sway you away from the editor you're used to though. I think since GPUs are mainstream, this should really be the job of the desktop renderer, to probe for GPU capability and use it. Hear this Wayland?
@codedusting10 ай бұрын
Lmao. That 97ms to 58ms marketing is just marketing 101.
@alfiegordon901310 ай бұрын
The thing that gets me is thats still a HUGE delay. Assuming your screen is 60Hz thats nearly FOUR WHOLE FRAMES between keypress and it being rendered on screen. I dread to think how slow it looks on a 144hz monitor
@TomasRamoska10 ай бұрын
@@squishy-tomato They will have more time to enjoy slow MacOS UI animations 😅
@Dygear10 ай бұрын
This is a far more interesting metric on a Raspberry Pi that is more resource limited. With VSCode living in that world, having Zed (Or COSMIC-Edit) running faster than the incumbent editor would make a palpable difference in programming experience on these small devices.
@stephenb_dev10 ай бұрын
Try zed vs vscode on a 4 year old Intel Mac and you will see this huge difference.
@shrek95372q10 ай бұрын
zed is written is rust 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
@KalosLikesComputers9 ай бұрын
I think the problem here is that nobody is complaining that VSCode is slow - we use it for its convenience and its extensions. if you want a fast no-frills code editor like this, you're gonna use nano or neovim or Sublime, etc. Nobody asked for "VSCode but stripped down to the essentials and also slightly faster," so while Zed is getting a lot of coverage and that is good for competition, there is absolutely no reason to use it over VSCode.
@DynamicalisBlue8 ай бұрын
I am complaining about VS Code’s speed. It used to be fast when it came out but it has slowed down overtime. Sometimes it takes me seconds to open a file, which is annoying considering I use VS Code as a quick editor and not my main IDE. (I use Jetbrain’s tools for my main IDEs)
@openshores42888 ай бұрын
@@DynamicalisBlueyeah. Whats the point of ide if it freezes when opening/editing projects(based on my experience). As for me, neovim is the one, it also fixed my wrist.
@radiantveggies93487 ай бұрын
I complain about that. I use vs code as a lightweight editor with some useful programming related features. For real development work I use intellij
@charlesm.26046 ай бұрын
@@DynamicalisBlue If you're using Jetbrains IDE primarily and only need a lightweight text editor why not use their new Fleet editor ?
@vittoriocalicchio91002 ай бұрын
@@DynamicalisBlue I think that installing a lot of thing on vs code also make it slower, I have only the language exstation and the code runner and it goes smoothly with no problem
@fuzzy-0210 ай бұрын
No windows support yet. Like it or hate it, it still is the big fish in the pond. Zed should get to level 6 first to get their ult and then try killing vscode
@TheOllom110 ай бұрын
+rep for the analogy
@FlameSoulis10 ай бұрын
And no build for Linux? You know... the thing most people are connecting to and working on? So, just Mac users.... who are... not always doing dev work... Um... okay, Zed! You just pretend to be the cool kid.
@shrek95372q10 ай бұрын
i trust microsoft more than some small team from zed, the benchmarks are fake, when you install extensions it even worse than vscode, vscode is nice, its smooth, and windows design is good, also widely used and recognized editor, what the he is even zed?😂 theay hopefully fixed scroll whcih was buggy, but they didn't fixed other issues , i checked the source code they use strange variable names and also dont follow guidelines from mister bob clean code architecture that's why their codesucks j! and willsuck ! they will never replace google code editor and vscode !❤
@Shimadacat10 ай бұрын
I mean they could poke them down slowly by spamming Q (getting more extensions)... Zed is an artillery mage after all.
@armentorosyan82689 ай бұрын
Didn't expect a dota 2 reference here
@jon186710 ай бұрын
My opinion on zed is..... ( waits 2 years )
@Kookorukoo6 ай бұрын
I hope you'll write the answer someday
@jamesmuking6 ай бұрын
Still waiting
@kitamashi4 ай бұрын
1 year and 7 months to go
@Kokurorokuko2 ай бұрын
@@jon1867 I agree with this guy's future opinion
@computerscience11012 ай бұрын
I'll come back when two years will be over to remind you
@jorge186910 ай бұрын
Taking the crown from VScode is very difficult, there is a lot of work behind it, it takes years to offer the developed benefits that it offers.
@loldoctor10 ай бұрын
The developers of Zed contributed a lot of that work, particularly with respect to Electron.
@perghosh813510 ай бұрын
Have you used VS or working with larger projects then Sublime Text is a lot faster VSCode is slow if projects are big
@mii7s9 ай бұрын
@@perghosh8135I mean when I work on a large codebase, I move to neovim. Vscode cant handle large projects and I don’t think thats a negative, because vscode could not add all the features it has plus be super easy to use with no learning curve if they also wanted to make it handle large projects better. Personally, I work on large projects maybe twice a year or even less than that, so vscode fits my requirements. And I think most developers and engineers fall in the same category. Plus I don’t think your point makes sense because no one who works on a large codebase uses vscode. Vscode never said that its large codebase friendly. Everyone knows its electron and can’t handle large projects.
@kirillvoloshin20659 ай бұрын
if they fix about 5 things, I would never go back to vscode
@shock961610 ай бұрын
I'm in a similar position: I'm not using Zed as my main editor for now, but I am keeping it installed and periodically checking things out as it gets updated. It has a lot of promise for me and I'm really looking forward to seeing where it goes in the future
@ghfsd786fa10 ай бұрын
The bad thing about Zed (for now) is that VSCode has a ton of extensions; yes Zed automatically integrates using LSP but that's pretty much it. But it's VERY promising.
@comradepeter8710 ай бұрын
What makes it promising? It's for Mac, and as far as I can see, VSCode just runs like butter on Mac and prolly doesn't hog a big %age of RAM too.
@JohnMaverick-w7c10 ай бұрын
@@comradepeter87 Drains a lot of my battery tho, I still need to try Zed and see if there is some improvements
@FlanPoirot9 ай бұрын
@@comradepeter87doesn't what? VSCode bundles a whole browser, an OS compatibility layer (electron) and a language runtime just to run a text editor. that's as wasteful as it can be
@MindBlowerWTF9 ай бұрын
All of my extensions in VS Code that I use at work are to provide functionality that LSP and treesitter provide. Im fine with it just having LSP now.
@comradepeter879 ай бұрын
@@FlanPoirot That's more of a thing which I hate on principle. However, realistically, it doesn't take that much storage for something that's such a key component of your development cycle.
@ThoughtfullySo9 ай бұрын
I realize how valuable extensions are for VS Code. They're the only ones keeping me from moving to Zed.
@Daniel_WR_Hart5 ай бұрын
VS Code is the Skyrim of text editors. It has its flaws, but it will outlive all of us with its extension/mod support
@VL-om5nrАй бұрын
@@Daniel_WR_Hart Kind of Like C/C++ .
@Sestaak10 ай бұрын
Performance matters a lot more when low on resources. I've driven a baseline MacBook Air to its limits and beyond for years, most of the time VSC had little to no noticeable delays but whenever running out of memory or having the CPU catch up, it was BAD. Particularly the vim mode plugin (ergonomics, yo) would swallow inputs and become generally unreliable. That aside, VSC also uses much more memory than it needs to, as any Electron based app does. 300-600mb may be nothing for my current computer, but when you're running 8GB with your base system already using 2 of those, you've got some containers (another 1-2GB), browser tabs and other dev tools open, you'll appreciate every bit of extra memory you can save.
@mumble35359 ай бұрын
When working on large monorepos my extensions alone would consistently use 4GB of ram. Thankfully that doesn't really affect my workstation, but it's still not okay.
@himanshutripathi74419 ай бұрын
I have 8 gb linux laptop I feel firefox eats too much ram even web uses too much ram in general 8gb feels 2Gb these days
@markmywords38179 ай бұрын
Which is why I just use vs code sparingly when pairing with another person or computer, but personally I use vim and neovim. Also when I need to go to a cafe and want the peace of mind of being able to do quick coding sessions, I could also replace the laptop for a tablet and use vim / code-server via ssh.
@jj-big-slay-yo9 ай бұрын
Yup, having a browser as the display surface for all electron apps (chromium) and running everything in it essentially adds a non-significant amount of tax to any app. For vs code its's fine (it does a lot of things well), but you can also take a look at intellij based apps (while more advanced) having a java swing based app is also quite heavy. One thing I will never understand is the people who create / use something like hyper (the electron based terminal....) that is just insanity, even if your computer makes no sweat about it.
@justADeni9 ай бұрын
Exactly. Everyone who says that bloated Electron apps are as fast as something native like Zed are just spoiled with high-end pc's
@sivuyilemagutywa528610 ай бұрын
What code editor did they use to create Zed?
@Lewdiculous10 ай бұрын
Of course it was notepad.exe.
@shock961610 ай бұрын
They probably used vi
@whobitmyneck10 ай бұрын
Zed was built with Zed when Zed was stable enough
@DefaultYoutubeUserAccount10 ай бұрын
@@whobitmyneckAnd before that?
@sivuyilemagutywa52869 ай бұрын
@@whobitmyneck hahaha it was a joke
@TomasRamoska10 ай бұрын
VSCode works on Windows, Mac, Linux, and Web browsers. With so many extensions like WSL, SSH, Docker, etc. With SSH extension I can view pictures and videos over SSH on my server and browse files like I'm working with Files Explorer or Finder on the local machine. Zed is not a VSCode killer 😂 I don't think they going to kill anyone anytime soon.
@esparda079 ай бұрын
When something becomes a "killer" of something, it's usually all hype.
@xcrap7 ай бұрын
I'm using Zed for 2/3 months now and it became my main editor as VSCode is the backup because of the extensions. Zed still has a long way to go but it's quiet impressive what they have done so far and I'm loving it.
@ekkkkkknoes9 ай бұрын
It's nowhere near a vscode killer, being MacOS exclusive still.
@GoblinArmyInYourWalls6 ай бұрын
Is programming on a Mac even really programming?
@szymonn48005 ай бұрын
@@GoblinArmyInYourWalls why wouldnt it be?
@GoblinArmyInYourWalls5 ай бұрын
@@szymonn4800 it's sarcasm you dunce
@leonstone34435 ай бұрын
@@GoblinArmyInYourWallswhat kinda dumb question is that
@GoblinArmyInYourWalls5 ай бұрын
@@leonstone3443 it's a joke, dunce
@RedBearAK9 ай бұрын
There’s an extension for VSCode to enable zooming font size in the editor separately from the rest of the UI. I think it’s called “Responsive Font Weights”.
@sacredgeometry8 ай бұрын
Thats so useful, thank you.
@Unknown-ki8yk2 ай бұрын
VS code in Windows does it without an extension
@ir82939 ай бұрын
Sublime is the GOAT. 🐐 It’s as fast as Zed (look at dev build performance), native and has a great plugin ecosystem. It runs on Windows, Mac and Linux. UI is hardware accelerated too.
@tumescent9 ай бұрын
My favorite too. It's perfect for scripting and projects that are too small to justify using a full-fledged IDE. With LSP plugins it's completely replaced VSCode for me.
@Bankoru10 ай бұрын
I dunno if I'm the only one that doesn't care about an extra 50ms or whatever input delay, but just having good features, like what you get with Jetbrains
@DanielHarrisCodes10 ай бұрын
I held off trying Rider for .NET dev and regret waiting so long. It’s superb on Mac IMO. Not as much of a fan of it on Windows but I have Visual Studio on there. JetBrains Rider has tons of .NET focused tools that VS4Mac didn’t have. I know this is an IDE but JetBrains also have a beta of an application that can switch between text editor (like VS Code) and Full IDE as required. Which I think is an interesting idea
@MindBlowerWTF9 ай бұрын
yeah, if we are talking slow vs slow editors, then at least JetBrains stuff provide great experience.
@Kerojey9 ай бұрын
VS code opens for me like in 10 seconds with all extensions, and OS loads in like 12 seconds
@charlesm.26046 ай бұрын
@@KerojeyBut how often do you close and re-open the editor or reboot your computer when you work ? Surely only once. If you gain a few seconds but then have to deal with a worse developer experience, less tooling support, constant crashes in collaboration, etc. (we didn't even see any git support in this video) then what's the point of saving those initial few seconds?
@ml_serenity3 ай бұрын
In a span of last 8ish years I saw VSCode to turn from an editor into a full-fledged IDE with features missing in mammoths of industry like Visual Studio.
@dudaoutloud10 ай бұрын
VSCode does slow down with large projecțs (like multi-project mono repos). I switched over to JetBrains WebStorm and the usability with these large projects was terrific! Yes, you have to pay to use WebStorm, but it’s worth it for my projects (plus JetBrains’ AI Assistant is just as good if not better than copilot).
@aidansgarlato934710 ай бұрын
Yea I’ve worked on projects where if I have like more then 3 tabs open with tens of thousands of lines I can get an input lag of more then 500ms and witch really sucks
@DakotaCarter2278912 күн бұрын
If you buy a year of jetbrains you can keep those premium versions of the editors perpetually.
@_ilearn10 ай бұрын
- no extensions - no copilot chat - no extensions - no theme store - no extensions - no windows app - no extensions But yeah, rust, it opens quickly, it scrolls quickly, and uses gpus. As if that is what I needed from my code editor that I run on an M2 chip.
@derciojds10 ай бұрын
and no extensions.
@adithya80673 ай бұрын
And no extentions
@fenilli10 ай бұрын
No support for linux nor windows, no dark mode in their website .... long ways to be even close to vscode killer.
@AZisk10 ай бұрын
your first point is valid. Your second point I have questions.
@fenilli10 ай бұрын
its mostly about their target audience is wrong, they are not supporting developers as a whole but a niche group, most developers like dark mode on everything, so if your product is for developers so should you target that audience, same goes for the windows 90% usage vs mac...@@AZisk
@fenilli10 ай бұрын
so to iterate a tldr, I doubt their product because they don't know what their target audience is, so features that most likely would be good will tend to not be priority.@@AZisk
@FirephoenixX0210 ай бұрын
Both Windows and Linux support is in the works tho
@fenilli10 ай бұрын
in the works, is not priority, basically saying " we prefer to work in a 5% usage base instead of the biggest one "@@FirephoenixX02
@abdullahzafar44012 ай бұрын
I've been using zed for a month now as main and I think you should make another video, ALOT is improved
@dampfwatze10 ай бұрын
I doubt that it will get comparable extensiblity as VS Code. But without it, I don't think it will be easy to switch. If they instead build everything they can into the base editor, it will become a full blown IDE like Visual Studio, which is not at all lightweight...
@AntonioBrandao6 ай бұрын
I've been using Zed and it really is snappy. I was able to customize the colors a bit and I'm really happy with the interface. I was never a big fan of the VSCode icons on the left.
@PerfectArmonic10 ай бұрын
Is not how fast is vs code, but is how many resources consumes when is running. Sometimes it crushes the entire system… at least on my Mac.
@not_ever10 ай бұрын
It's not just on the Mac. Electron based browsers are also resource hungry.
@MarkStatkus10 ай бұрын
I also find many corp environments they got us installing Symantec or some other file scan tank responding to git and VSCode. My Intel max sits at 100C most of the day. Any attempts at asking for an exclusion list are lost.
@dailytipsFR9 ай бұрын
Try to run webstorm 😅
@andrefig8229 ай бұрын
Zed is way faster than VSCode w/ minimal extensions here for my mid-sized projects.
@BigOrangeMan9 ай бұрын
One thing I realised is if you want to create a Monopoly, building extension ecosystem is big part of that. Scenarios like this shows it very well. Developers put years of effort into building these awesome extensions and now its harder to competition to break in. Thats why even Google's new cloud ide, project idx is based on code - oss and they can use well established vs code extensions.
@SQLinForm9 ай бұрын
Thanks for your great videos. I even sometimes watch them twice because there is soooo much useful information in your videos. Greetings from Belgium & Germany
@sploders10198 ай бұрын
I’m excited to see a new player in the space. I’ve been happily using Helix for a while now (I think Kakoune’s way of doing things makes a lot more sense than vim), but I originally switched from VSCode because I got tired of all the popups, notifications, and random obtrusive features getting added without warning, forcing me to read for hours through release notes and settings descriptions trying to figure out how to turn it off. I want my editor, and I don’t want it to change unless I ask it to. Hopefully Zed turns out this way
@wanarchives10 ай бұрын
Yeah, killer only for mac user
@Strawmelonjuice7 ай бұрын
I mean you could try to build it for other OS's, but for now you might run into trouble
@hnasheralneam6 ай бұрын
Linux when???
@Gruak76 ай бұрын
It is literally available in the arch linux repos today. No need to compile anuthing, just use arch BTW.
@szymonn48005 ай бұрын
@@hnasheralneam they are still working on linux and windows builds, you can check on their website
@salatwurzel-43884 ай бұрын
@@hnasheralneam now
@jamesmoynihan9489 ай бұрын
Biggest benefit: battery consumption is much lower on Zed. Gotta love that Rust performance! But I agree with Alex. Zed's not quite there yet, but they're making quick progress. Gonna keep checking back to how they crack VSC's "moat": the extensions.
@jaroslavhuss781310 ай бұрын
Alex - why are you not wearing Apple vision pro? Scared of seing Zed being 10ms faster on your own eyes? :D
@AZisk10 ай бұрын
😆
@tommysmith54796 ай бұрын
The "speed issue" is a non-issue. What matters is workflow. I have no idea what Zed's workflow is like since I've never used it. But I do use VS Code and the workflow is great.
@Japanology10 ай бұрын
How did you do the voice dubbing that perfectly sounds like Bruce Willis? Which tool?
@Ati2710 ай бұрын
Could be Eleven AI
@milahu9 ай бұрын
just a good microphone to capture the bass
@DakotaCarter2278912 күн бұрын
When you were launching zed and vscode. Vscode was closed out completely while zed was not. Zed was still on the dock with a dot under it while vscode was nowhere on the dock. That dot under the application on the macOS dock shows that that application is loaded in ram, even though no visual window is loaded. All you did was measure loading from ram and loading from disk.
@brandonbraner9 ай бұрын
I’m sorry but if the speed of opening files is what’s killing your productivity then congrats. Maybe remove some plugin bloat?
@usr38019 ай бұрын
Even without any extensions VSCode is starting slower than zed simply because VSCode is built on Electron
@mrzouz10 ай бұрын
for typing difference, you need to type more than 14 keys per second or 840 letters/ per minute to feel any delay. and that assuming the scale is linear (you need to try consequent letters to check if the delay is linear or it slows / diminish on several keys types). on the other hand for Zed you need to type 18keys/sec or 1080 letters/min to feel the delay. assuming words in programming are short (not compound names) maybe6 letters average. that is 180 words/minute for zed and 140 words/sec for vscode. a quick search shows average typing speed is 38-40 words or about 200 letters/min. professional typists type a lot faster, averaging between 65 and 75 WPM. so yeah 400 letters/min much less than the 840 letters in VsCode. but hey that is just math.
@DeanRie10 ай бұрын
But what if we compare zed with sublime text? 😊
@cristophermoreno22909 ай бұрын
I've been using Zed for 1 week now. No regrets moving to zed. (the only missing feature is the capacity to work over ssh on a remote server)
@misternegative27599 ай бұрын
my sudo nano opens faster than zed
@vslow479510 ай бұрын
Will definitely give Zed a good try. I like the idea of modern performance-focused editor. As I am not a full-time programmer, it is hard to keep my vim/neovim configuration stable. In contrast Zed seems to be almost feature-complete without any plugins.
@MindBlowerWTF9 ай бұрын
try helix then
@vslow47959 ай бұрын
@@MindBlowerWTF Does it have support for CoPilot?
@yannick-was-taken10 ай бұрын
"stability" lol saw this thing crashing a suspicious amount of times :P
@kirillvoloshin20659 ай бұрын
using it for a week, crashed maybe 1 time (M1 Macbook Pro)
@trainsurf9 ай бұрын
To me it seemed to mostly crash with the coop coding which makes sense as it's in such early development
@esco53199 ай бұрын
Zed is not 1.0 (stable) yet, it's in BETA.
@therealclart4 ай бұрын
I am VERY exited for the future of this editor. I think it has a very promising future!
@AlexanderBorshak10 ай бұрын
Zed is good, but UI/UX in VS Code is much more convenient. And VS Code is fast enough.
@gurentandinga51706 ай бұрын
What makes VSCode so strong for me is the extensions. If they catch up, especially when it comes to remote development, I'm super fine with going over.
@JSiuDev10 ай бұрын
It is very good to have alternative. However, I don't think being fast is a good angle for promoting an IDE. VScode success is its huge number of plugins.
@AZisk10 ай бұрын
have you every used Visual Studio though?
@JSiuDev10 ай бұрын
@@AZiskYes, but long time ago. I mainly use vscode and a little bit of eclipse now.
@JSiuDev10 ай бұрын
@anthelegendI thought zed don't have much plugin yet? How you get 40??
@JSiuDev9 ай бұрын
@baconmanthelegendOh, AZisk was asking about Studio, not code, so I thought you are referring back to his video and zed. My bad 🤦♂️
@karmatraining9 ай бұрын
I've tried Zed and if you run it on a 120Hz screen (e.g., directly on your MBP) it feels glorious. Once we have all the usual plugins that everybody uses, it's going to be a serious VSCode competitor. VSCode is great but it's hamstrung by electron, I like the bare-metal feeling that Zed gives. Also the AI autocompletion in Zed is god-tier, I use it to write documents and it's incredible! Definitely a must try if you can afford OpenAPI API keys.
@nurronyitc10 ай бұрын
Do you have all extensions disabled? I recently switched to NeoVim because VSCode becomes too slow and memory hogging for large project. Frequently got VM OutOfMemory issue. Moreover the extension can eat up loads of space as well
@matthewboyer42128 ай бұрын
Tbh I won't be switching from JetBrains for 3 main reasons: 1: I open my IDE once or twice a day and can tolerate it taking 30s to open and index, 2: the refactoring in IJ is so much better, and 3: so is the code completion. However, Zed has one thing: its UI is so nice and is so much better than the new IJ UIs.
@adonespitogonaif10 ай бұрын
As a vim user, vscode is noticably slow.
@adithya80673 ай бұрын
No shit sherlock. Ofc it's slower than vim.
@thooper9895 ай бұрын
Zed is available on Linux now. I have it installed on Debian 12
@QuintonDolan10 ай бұрын
I’m still going to use IntelliJ IDEA to do my actual work because it does so much for me, and can handle working on massive projects well. The only time I run VSCode is when I need a dumb text editor, as long as it has a cli tool to open a file it does what I need.
@charlesm.26046 ай бұрын
Honestly bro as much as I like vscode, for this kind of usecase I'd pick Fleet. It starts similar to Zed and you only get the IntelliJ platform features (indexing, LSP support, code refactoring, -basic- debugging and profiling, etc.) *after* you click on a button so for simple text editing with git support, terminal, folder workspace and whatnot Fleet is better than vscode in my opinion.
@benfrainuk7 ай бұрын
Not hating VSCode, it is what I would recommend to most people, BUT, the latency thing isn't just the start up, it's the perceptible progressive rendering of syntax highlighting when you switch files. On Sublime or Zed it is instant, on VSCode there is a you can see it rendering.
@5cG00110 ай бұрын
the sigh at 2:01 lol
@vishaldinesh10 ай бұрын
I think they should've created zed for windows and Linux first because that is where vscode lags a lot, even the cheapest macbook is way more perfomant than a cheap windows laptop. I literally switched from vscode to neovim because vscode was too slow and starts heating up a lot.
@alesgabor760610 ай бұрын
Laughs in Neovim
@GoodVolition7 ай бұрын
I hope they have good luck. Looks like they're working hard. I can't use Zed because I exclusively use either Linux or Windows and Neovim and VSCode are 1st and 2nd choices. (Sublime at a solid 3rd). I love to see innovation though.
@Miluum7 ай бұрын
By the way, it is now "available" for Windows and Linux too; but you have to build it yourself. It's essentially just running 3 commands in the terminal. Note that it is really unstable, crashes often, Copilot won't work and lot's of stuff is just not working yet.
@jasper594510 ай бұрын
not surprise since VS Code using electron.. so you're technically writing code in a browser xD
@t0dd0006 ай бұрын
As much as I gripe about electron, I am always shocked at how versatile it is.
@furkanbuyukkaya46295 ай бұрын
I don't think anything will replace vs code for me. With all the extensions I have, the snippets, the shortcuts, I am so invested in it that I can't really think of using any other ide(not that vscode is one)
@thomasluk431910 ай бұрын
I am a linux user, it cant kill me
@AZisk10 ай бұрын
😂
@oldominion86697 ай бұрын
I have switched to Zed only this whole week at work and I really love it. Think I will stay on it in the future.
@IStMl7 ай бұрын
Zed is like Arc. Reinventing the wheel for the sake of it.
@harshwardhan78586 ай бұрын
I currently use MacBook Air M1, and yes Zed is noticeably faster than VS code (seriously).
@qvipin7 ай бұрын
For the test where you opened Zed in the CLI and VSCode in the CLI, Zed was running in the background (clearly notated by the dot at the bottom) and VScode took significantly longer because it needed to be reopened. Borked test and this whole video is most likely invalid. Before publishing, check for flaws in your please.
@AndreasToth9 ай бұрын
The response time differences may have a lot to do with the simplified extensions that Zed supports compared to the more complex extension interface of VS Code.
@xbeast758510 ай бұрын
Good but nothing can kill vscode
@federicoagustinsawadyoconn27167 ай бұрын
Give it a couple of years
@alikia2x7 ай бұрын
it is fast but it's also missing features at the moment just as a tweet says "For TypeScript there is no full-project analisis, refactoring actions like in InteliJ - instead we have useless AI and fancy colors."
@maganaluis928 ай бұрын
The thing I don't like about VSCode, is that is not really OSS, you can create your own plugins but guess who is going to benefit from it? not you, not me, the only one that benefits is Microsoft. So please stop making plugins for VSCode :)
@outrowed6 ай бұрын
VSCodium and Code OSS exist. Plus with Open VSX Registry as an alternative to Microsoft Extension Gallery.
@heian174 ай бұрын
Maybe you also say "please stop uploading apps to Google Play, App Store"?
@ahmednoor10752 ай бұрын
spoiler alert, "Zed isnt Vs code killer", its just 20-30 ms faster, it doent matter at all because you just spent around 10000 ms reading this comment
@chaudharysahab15172 ай бұрын
@@ahmednoor1075 bro I want to learn coding vs code is not available in MacBook then which apk is used for it
@ZedZarate2 ай бұрын
So i killed vscode?
@bullettime2808Ай бұрын
Actually gave it a go by working on a real project and I'm quite impressed, it's been 2 days since I used VS Code for my React projects, had to use VS Code when working on Angular since Zed is missing the Angular extension but for React I have fully switched to Zed + Vim Mode + lazygit
@bluesbasscoversАй бұрын
this is the most entertaining review i've ever seen - with enormous substance. speaks to me from the heart 👍👍👍
@ml_serenity3 ай бұрын
Used VSCode for YEARS and never had to reload window for "stability issues". Only did it when reinstalling addons.
@ppcamps3 ай бұрын
Unfortunately, it still doesn’t have a “source control page”, like vscode and jetbrains ides. It also doesn’t support debugging. And it’s multi cursors are still bugging some times. As soon as they fix this, it’ll get ok to use
@Luke_P9 ай бұрын
Tried it out myself too, it's honestly a great experience. It really needs ssh support like vscode has and maybe a better ecosystem, but as soon as the ssh support is there I'll be ready to jump ship from vscode on to it.
@capitalinventor48237 ай бұрын
With respect to the increased speed found with Zed loading files, starting approximately at 1:35, the testing did not take into account two important things. The first is the time to start or switch to the app. The second is that after the first test the file or directory is held in cache memory by the operating system. To properly test how fast each opens a directory or file a new directory or file must be selected for each test. For each pair of tests the two directories or files should be as close to the same size as possible. I was part of a team that was responsible for changing a process which ran once a night into one that could be started from a website. The process involved a large number of small programs that each performed a tiny bit of the process and used temporary files to communicate between the different stages. The process originated on a six bit mainframe and there had never been enough money or time to integrate them into them all. Programming wasn’t the issue. Verifying the outcomes stayed the same was the highest priority as the application was used during the process of business incorporation. Any differences and lawsuits could occur. The data was still stored using six bits and every small program read data, converted it from six bits, ran, converted the output to six bits, wrote the data to a file, and exited. A script was used to control the flow of the small programs and that had to be modified to prevent them from overwriting one another temporary data. Time and extreme caution limited our choices. Instead of making each of the small programs able to run instances at once it was easier and safer to lock each one to a single instance. When it came time to testing we ran a request through the nightly version and it took somewhere around 45 seconds. We then switched over to our project and ran it in a two or three seconds. We were all thrilled but it seemed way too much of an improvement for me as we could not implement the chances we identified as having the biggest performance improvements. I asked the person running the test to retry the old method again and it ran in three to four seconds. We eventually determined that the gigabytes of data the application uses was cached in during the first running. Because we were running on a server with lots of memory and set up to cache as much as possible we had to fill the cache with approximately 96GB of junk between tests if we wanted to compare times. This was 25 years ago on a Silicon Graphics server. Ever since then I’ve remembered to take caching in account.
@larsondavis81553 ай бұрын
I was assuming they were talking about render times, not necessarily perceived delay.
@mel-1828 ай бұрын
I don't want my editor to eat GPU when I'm gaming. I tend to keep my editor on all the time.
@Mr.N0b0dy1sm36 ай бұрын
I code in vim, BTW. thanks for your suggest.
@parnashwind6 ай бұрын
Now now, no need to downgrade. Upgrade to neovim instead.
@alextrebek523710 ай бұрын
LSP server? Plugins/extensions? No telemetry? Seamless integration with current vscode extensions?
@malborboss10 ай бұрын
I dont think that it will ever have integration with vs code extensions. Its not based on electron
@everyhandletaken10 ай бұрын
Not sure about the zooming of whole window vs the editing component, but it would be nice on both if you could do this independent- like add a 'shift' key to the mix- so you zoom it all, or just your code. I'm just glad that VSC recently added the ability to have zoom per window, rather than zooming all open windows at the same time. I'm glad we have a competitor in Zed, but as a lot of people are saying, we need more extensions before it is a VSC killer.
@Netz09 ай бұрын
All IDE's are fast when they are new, but as they keep adding features they will naturally turn slower. The more features you have like auto-complete, syntax highlighting, error checking, etc., the slower it will be as it has to do many things on the fly. It's just how software works. If you only care about speed and not features, you would use Notepad++ and call it a day.
@GhostSheep967 ай бұрын
I've been using VSCode since 2 years after switching from Atom. VScode might be slow, but I never noticed it and I can deal with it perfectly well^^
@arthurwiebusch92925 ай бұрын
good luck getting zed to work in legacy projects. Hope they fix it soon, looks awesome and pretty fast
@pewolo6 ай бұрын
Zed is actually available for every operating systems. All you need is build it from source. I have zed on my Windows and Linux and FreeBSD 14
@milutzuk9 ай бұрын
They improved upon the Notepad code base and called it Zed. As you can see both include e and end with d.
@Blu3Mj0ln1r9 ай бұрын
I like plug-and-play IDEs, so I can focus on my work. I don't want completely stripped off IDEs that need a ton of plugins to even run some code. I like Visual Studio a lot. There's a reason Microsoft gatekeeps it for Windows PCs only, but doesn't do so with VSCode.
@ruslanvs9 ай бұрын
Zed's notion of resource efficiency sounds quite promising. Try running 16 windows of VSCode at the same time for a while. It gets very demanding for CPU and RAM. In my experience, my machine (MBP) is consistently getting noisy or is chocking up. I even had to close VSCode while not working on code. I'm not yet jumping from VSCode to Zed as it does not even have syntax highlighting for my preferred language, but I'll surely keep it in mind and look forward to having a good replacement for VSCode.
@ApicatUsАй бұрын
I hope it really grows to be a competitive alternative to vscode, we need options !
@LukeBarousse10 ай бұрын
Glad to see that Scharzenager got broken out for the true test 👍
@PaulSebastianM5 ай бұрын
Zed uses more GPU sporadically while you scroll because it's FPS is not capped on mac. It actually uses variable refresh rate capability of latest macs. That makes it seem butter smooth without consuming needless battery by ALWAYS rendering at max FPS. It actually goes down to 0-1 FPS when not scrolling. I mean, if there's nothing updating in the UI, while redraw the same picture 120 times a second?
@jotch_76274 ай бұрын
Variable refresh rate has little to do with variable rendering rate. Most programs only request a redraw when changes are expected, that's nothing new.
@ricardosmith20607 ай бұрын
The only time i notice significant differences in speed is when I'm opening large log files. but I'd argue that there are better tools for handling stuff like that. For regular coding the differences are not big enough for me to care so i just focus more on features.
@christianknuchel9 ай бұрын
Heads up: Contributors are required to agree to a CLA which enables the company behind Zed to sublicense those contributions (read: The entire project) in (mostly) whatever way they wish in the future. Just something to be aware of.
@ernestoditerribile10 ай бұрын
I’m mainly a VSCodium guy(VSCode without the Microsoft spyware) but I’m run the same 16” MacBook Pro M2 Max. So I will give Zed a try.
@quintennn10 ай бұрын
I love the idea of Zed, tired it, it works well but their main selling point (speed) is totally not an issue for me in VSCode. Also being used to VSCode for some many years makes it hard to commit fully. I miss features like: Git support (basis file diff, staging unstaging files), git blame or similar and theming. The whole UI is super minimal which I like but it's a bit too minimal for me. It needs to be practical as well. I really like icon themes in VSCode, at first as a way to decorate my editor but now it's really an important tool to quickly figure out what kind of file I'm working with. I saw on x (twitter) that they are planning to add JS based extension (like VSCode) so that will open up a lot of possibilities.