I Analysed EVERY Incident From 2 Player Career - Who's Dirtier?

Once again we take a trip down memory lane as we look back at every incident between myself and Tiametmarduk across 2 Player Career! Become a channel member to get early access to videos!
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[@harrygates3129]

Idk what all the hate is about, it’s a cool video idea 😭 and they like each other

[@JuicedOnKids]

they don't race like it tho lol

[@CeCefka]

@@JuicedOnKids have to make content somehow

[@JayS1622]

Clicks and views. Everyone loves controversy and rivalries

[@ExoticGamerXD]

@@JuicedOnKidsits the adrenaline tbf

[@bruswayn7043]

Competition is fun and the boys are doing just that while they play

[@stefanosgeorgiou621]

I agree that both are dirty, but some of bens points were just retaliation. Love the 2 player mode. Always fun

[@elaldo2382]

Fair play Alex for looking back at these and owning up to a lot of your own mistakes. It's nice to see the incidents are pretty balanced and no-one is much dirtier than the other.

[@ImReverseGiraffe]

4:43 "I don't know if there was any contact there" 2 seconds later... Warning-collision

[@Kiryienka97]

17:30 generally the rules I've always seen sim racing operate under is that if you're not alongside at the *start* of the corner, you're not necessarily entitled to space and that is a divebomb. The defending driver could *choose* to give you the space, but they don't have to. You got alongside at the apex by moving your braking zone entirely inside of the corner, and nobody could reasonably react to that if they were the defending car, especially on that corner on that track where you have to choose your line and commit or possibly bin it completely.

[@Henrix1998]

Also "left car width" does not mean you can turn into the other car if there is more room on the other side

[@maxmustermann6706]

I can't wait for another coop season on f1 2024. Still funny alex calls ben dirtier than elrey but the lesson we learned today is, that alex actually was more dirty in coop. Anyway no hate from my side, I love the combination and rivalry with all the insults and everybody who follows them for a while know that there is no serious hate between them and they are friends

[@JuicedOnKids]

"15 seconds of penalties" "racing incident" bruv.

[@Pro4TLZZ]

Ben: "I'll see you in court" 😂😂 19:45

[@mrjwarren101]

17:39 crazy you think your entitled to space. If someones already turned into the corner they cant be expected to completely turn out of it because you suddenly appear... I think its this mentality that alongside at any point equals space and all that matters is a cars width... there was moving under braking a few times and such late sends that the cars width is irrelevant

[@user-tv9xd1uo6l]

Fr

[@IceTemple13]

I'd also add that it barely looks like Alex is even gonna make the corner if the contact didn't happen

[@Cesp43]

Actually they ARE expected to let off on throttle and go less aggressive on steering. If a car is alongside no matter the situation they are and will always be entitled to space, and he was making the corner as well. What could Ben have done? Letting off the steering a little bit completely turning out is also stupid, but leaning of the steering would both prevent the accident and have allowed him a good chance to keep the lead into the next corner as he then had the inside.

[@mrjwarren101]

@Cesp43 that is fundamentally not how it works

[@Cesp43]

@@mrjwarren101 it is quite literally how it works,. If one does not have the reaction time to react to being overtaken, they shouldn't be playing the game. Literally Ben had all the tools necessary to see Alex going into the inside way before going into the apex.

[@noskill6128]

25:20: Engineer calls out Caution, Yellow flag visible on the right side of the track, passes a clearly faulty Hamilton off track on the right, Yellow flag visible on the top left of the hud. Ignores all this and sends it up the inside during double waved yellow flags. Even during the analysis you seem to fail to realize this. You got to play by the rules, it can be a slippery slope.

[@Henrix1998]

Tbh absolutely no one in games respects yellow flags

[@mrbungle3310]

​@@Henrix1998untill you get an illegal overtake...but to be fair the incident was not close so meh

[@RobertDoornbosF1]

You call out Alex for sending it up the inside under Yellows and not noticing yellows. Yet, at your 25:20 timestamp where Alex is still ahead, you can already see the yellow flags. Ben ignores this and just overtakes Alex. Ben should never have been ahead there in the first place.

[@merlin77cz93]

​@@RobertDoornbosF1 the thing is ben overtook alex before entering the yellow flag marked by the lights on the right or on the leaderboard so ben did nothing wrong there and it is 100% on alex for sending it under yellows

[@RobertDoornbosF1]

@@merlin77cz93 IRL, drivers have been penalised for not slowing down and/or overtaking when a yellow flag is shown ahead. The game is shit, and allows you to overtake under yellows. For me, that doesn't take away the fault though. Pudely under the circumstances in the game, yes Alex was wrong.

[@AbdulAhad-oq6lz]

I think we can safely agree , In ligth of all the incidents +15,000 seconds time penalty to ocon

[@cormacmacaongusa]

So original and funny.

[@jumboflea2999]

I honestly can’t believe I’ve watched these guys this long now

[@iwanevans607]

Absolutely ace idea to look back at all the incidents from Co-Op. Great content.

[@NathanHo08080]

It's great to look back on the incidents happens. I think you only deserve room when it was side by side and not one wheel next to their back wheel. When the car going for the overtake for a gap that's gonna close, the car behind is responsible for overtake safely

[@Poliusgaming3691]

i wouldve thought you'd record this with ben to get more views and context but still was very fair judgement

[@iatemycrayonF1]

Lol on the last incident alex said "my fault but no regrets id do that again" had me in stitches.

[@CadJuice]

I only just got to the FIRST INCIDENT, and I'm crying. "I just finished my lap, what's the problem?" 😂

[@chipperlagrone]

Little do we know this video demonstrates peak rivalry. Ready for 2024 better keep it counting.

[@devinfleet1834]

This video is great. The audience always forget that these 2 are best friends irl. So they are going to get a lot more mad and pissed with each other than if they were just strangers.

[@ItMeansSun]

Hahaha how did Alex's chat end up voting against him! Fair play on them for being unbiased. Great video, love to see some of the highlights again

[@jonnybb]

Great idea, always good for learning/ self-reflection.

[@FastEddeh]

*Alex absolutely dive bombs it* Alex mid corner - "It looks like he's backing out" *votes get influenced*

[@bxc229]

you should clip that audio of ben at 11:02 and play it everytime when he pushed you off or doesnt leave the track

[@fastcar_edits44]

Respect alex for owning up to your mistakes. Great video idea once again. Keep it up!!!👌

[@LunnarisLP]

I think you should have made the voting different and made it a penalty point system where you can get 1-3 penalty points for an incident you caused. Because incidents caused by you are often enough not that bad, while Ben sometimes just drives super super dirty and its not really reflected in the stats :D That being said I think you guys do deserve one another lol. Looking forward to see you do more content.

[@jrichardslifts]

17:45 this incident, Overtaking car must pass safely, I think Ben is already turning and committed. The contact is from a very tight angle by Alex where he's sent it and then it has lead to contact. I just think the move was desperate and if it were IRL it would be a 10s penalty.

[@leventekis7664]

I think the problem with your incidents is that you basically demand space on your sends based on "being alongside". If you send it from another postcode, and you only get alongside (or to the rear wheel) at the apex you can't demand space

[@UzzyT.]

I laughed numerous times during this, great video.

[@jensensantiago4897]

Lowkey this video would’ve been better if both of you guys reacted to the clips together and have the chat vote on it still 😮

[@justinm.1]

Next compilation: Reacting to all the "GOOD" moments from 2 & 4-player career, and creator series? 😜

[@PurpleLiam1]

Maybe there will be someone creative enough to make a video of them all, bonus points if they can put the GOODS to a song

[@omeshsingh8091]

This is an excellent piece of content: honest, analytical self-reflection.

[@danielgoldsmith1391]

I cannot believe my eyes! Alex the dirtier driver !? Looking forward to more Alex and Ben action on f1 24 2 player carrier for the never ending bromance 😂

[@MALOK003]

many friendships have been put to the test with that restart method

[@jonnybb]

Alex has the most blame of the two...but Ben's incidents seem quite a bit worse more of the time.

[@iamleebarry]

3 of bens were retaliation too which I think are justified 😂 2 player career was goated

[@ratty797]

It was a great series hope you do it again you by far are the dirtier driver but was great to watch

[@Henrix1998]

10:35 Alex and Ben were side by side, the collision could have been even bigger of Ben didn't back out. Definitely not Ben's fault. The retaliation vote in Monaco was moot, at that point there was so much damage neither of you were serious.

[@joelgidda9077]

u should’ve done this with ben and his chat aswell. of course your chat is gonna favour you on the controversial ones

[@HSVKing]

Good to see you can let things go, Alex... 🤣

[@justinburley8659]

34:20 Just set the white balance on your camera, so it won’t adjust itself based on the background

[@jakelynch7389]

I think this vid demonstrates that the heat of the moment comments Alex makes are a tough hypocritical

[@damiankirstein3311]

Alex if you're not side by side at the start of standard braking point, you can't demand a free space on the apex.

[@thesunnynationg]

31:08 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Last corner both DNF

[@mrc0a124]

20:33 should be your new scream 😂

[@thepeacekpr]

@17:45 The front axle should be equal before both the cars turn into a corner.

[@mrbungle3310]

30:53 i agree with every conclusion,but this one i still think its alex not ben at fault...its just the context of the corner and ben was sure on the outside but still ahead

[@vhp4641]

17:30 you were only along side because of the divebomb, you ran into him

[@KhaosRising17]

17:30 - you say its ben's but 1stly at Zandvoort a wide line is normally taken, you shallowly attack the apex at an angle he can't see you make or get a radar notice until he is at the apex, its a silly lunge IMO

[@AbdulAhad-oq6lz]

more of that please

[@OnlyElbo]

The video is basically "I agree" but in 2K

[@fremenGaming]

2022 score 10 alex vs 6 ben. Alex: "Slightly" more on me. Haha. 62.5% of incidents it "slightly" more than slightly :D

[@eriq8904]

I think Alex complains about the space Ben leaves way more than Ben actually doesn’t leave space, because watching Alex you could argue he doesn’t leave space just as often or more than Ben

[@Pro4TLZZ]

Shocking results

[@SuperCoolFunHappyGuy]

Confirmed Alex is the more dirtier driver. Get in the bin Alex LMAO.

[@wheelysteve]

Would love to see you 2 rekindle this full time in f124 provided you were both into it and not just doing it for the sake of it.

[@kyleedmondson6534]

30:47 Ben is Ahead lol

[@chrismclag2258]

It's all fun and games until someone/something gets Hurt 😂 and it's usually yours or Ben's feelings or ego

[@SkylineBNR34]

You 2 race each other hard. Ben definitely pushes people wide.

[@Tarik-Zimic]

yeah there is car width but there are cerbs that are too high and too close to avoid

[@robertmartin221]

I came on here to bash @alex gillon gameplay but as I watched further and further into the video. I see that he actually does own up to some of his own mistakes after the fact and admits that sometimes in the moment, he rushes to judgement (as a driver of a dirt modified in the real world I fully understand the passion in the moment). But at 9:30 in the video is when I changed my mind about what I was going to comment here. Seeing Alex own up and change his opinion about some of the incidents and accepting fault in some of them. I am glad to see that once he cools down and rewatches some of these. He can accept blame. He will need to include his massacre of Ben Daily at their F1 2024 creators series race at Monaco when he absolutely shoves Ben off the track and into the spin, ruining his race. And Alex showing no remorse in the moment was piss poor sportsmanship. I hope he rewatches that and cools down and sees that he was fully in the wrong there.

[@GINGERSTIG114]

Surprisingly short video

[@Crusher29]

GILLON IN THE MUD

[@ryanvd7587]

Both do dirty stuff in this series and it's fine. Alex races way dirtier in creator series though

[@clarkycfc1]

Have to say. Going into this i thought alex would have been quite arrogant about this, Well thats what i thought he was like before watching this. Now i realise hes just competitive and in the moment he can come across as quite a d**k but fair play for this vid. changed my opinion on alex. :D

[@Nathanielflor]

Hot diggity the rivalry grows. I used to think you guys stoked the friendly rivalry, but more and more I think you two hate each other lol

[@diegopuijk9803]

It’s a game, they are adults and great friends

[@Nathanielflor]

@@diegopuijk9803 Yeah, duh

[@user-wq3dx5fb1b]

Bring back challenge chuesday for f1 24

[@mmanuel.of03u]

some of y’all take this too seriously, it’s just 2 mates playing games

[@Nando_Lorris_04]

Some of the double standards and general lack of knowledge on the rules quoted here is astounding Like the Netherlands one, yes you are usually entitled to room if you’re alongside at the apex, but not from that far behind in the brake zone when they’ve already committed to the corner Also leaving space on the outside, it doesn’t matter if they have enough room to stay legally on track, you have to leave a car’s width

[@sethsmithkauffman497]

fr

[@iwanevans607]

It’s a game, it’s content, it’s banter. Get a grip

[@karu1585]

Seems like none of you can drive tbh, ironic given that this is your life

[@elliothopkins4400]

ah shit..... here we go again....

[@justinburley8659]

All we’ve learned is that you’re both terrible 😂

[@rejguon2378]

Ben

[@braydonromer591]

Hi alex, don’t think anything Ben did was dirty it’s all in the rule book and they way youre looking at most these videos is just as a victim’s. Many videos Ben did the same thing as you and you were like nope Ben’s fault. 😂😂 ps your driving also hasn’t changed leaves zero room for error at high speed by two drivers then wonder why it went wrong 😂😂😂

[@SteveHJones95]

I hope 2 (not 4) player career mode appears again, but please reduce the cringy dirty tactics and "rivalry" and play the game

[@lb-km4pw]

It's called having fun wiv ye mates on the game

[@JL-if5bm]

Nah its definitely Alex's fault. Forgot all the dodgy moves on the AI.

[@RobertDoornbosF1]

At least half of the racing incidents/alex's fault are Bens Fault

[@Dygear]

Yeah, this isn't going to throw some salt into an "almost?" healed wound. Also releasing this while FP2 is going on is an interesting choice. Probably should have released this an hour and a half after to capture some of that F1 audience.

[@user-rz4zs9ib2l]

dont think many people watch fp2 tbh

[@aloelover6012]

​@@user-rz4zs9ib2l No one does lmao, people only watch Qualifying and obviously, the race on Sunday.

[@JayS1622]

I watch practice sometimes but most of the times it’s not even available on tv and I’m not paying a yearly subscriptions to watch practice 😂

[@DorOSRS]

Just hard racing stop saying dirty.. Dirty is like driving left front to right rear and let someone spin, or hold people off, thats dirty racing for me

[@beodi]

Is Alex ok?? Like seriously? He looks ill and Grey. Like quite puffy eyes and all.

[@Sethhawken302]

You’re as bad as each other

[@robertverwijs2879]

Dont worry your both bad and very dirty drivers. Proof is in the last creator league race. With ben pushing his rival off the track twice in the last lap and still got a win because they dont follow the race rules

[@blue_scorpio_88]

This is just blatantly wrong.

[@M0RTARZ]

Ben just isn't very good.