Alfa Romeo Giulia QV (GTAm build) vs Maserati MC20 vs Ferrari 812GTS

[@carhoney]

We’re looking for a MC20 Owner in CA who’s interested in participating in an upcoming video! Also includes a private track day. If you or anyone you know might be interested, send us a DM to our IG @carhoneymedia!

[@cbruno12180]

You should watch autofanatic he’s a master with qv!! He had the same year as yours made many mods to his you would be very impressed!! Check his KZbin channel out he recently got rid of it but has a ton of videos on the qv!!

[@carhoney]

@@cbruno12180 he was my go to before starting my channel! Sad he sold his. I also have a channel for mods on this car @squadrafoglio

[@cbruno12180]

@@carhoney yup unfortunately he had bad dealer experiences in nyc they were awful to him!! But as you know u had that qv dialed in perfectly!! Made his xpipe too for it wheel spacers and titanium lugs.. now he has an m3 which I feel is just another cookie cutter vehicle I’d rather the new m2 for 63k

[@DrSlideit]

Nice work fellas!

[@carhoney]

Thanks Mate!

[@Food_n_Driver365]

Nice mods! Nice review as well 💯

[@carhoney]

Thank you!

[@nessuno5403]

Praises for experimenting with mods on this Giulia, but a lot of your comments are too subjective if not wrong. *NEWSFLASH* - Alfa Romeo makes the engine and engineered the car, not Ferrari, but some key people involved in making the 458 were assembled by FCA to make the Giulia.

[@carhoney]

Correct. Ferrari engineers* built the engine and helped design the car. Not Ferrari per se. But bringing on Ferrari engineers and putting an Alfa Romeo title on their desks then having them go back to Ferrari after… might just be the same thing. Up to you. Look up Philippe Krief and Gianluca Pivetti. Hope you enjoy your Giulia as well friend, it’s still an Alfa Romeo.

[@nessuno5403]

@@carhoney I am aware of the people involved and at least, unlike other reviews, you didn't say this 690T engine is an F154 :) Anyway, happy motoring and ongoing modifications.

[@carhoney]

@@nessuno5403 you as well 👍

[@theLEGOguy22]

The engine IS made by Ferrari, it’s a variant of the F154 engine. That’s a fact and it’s no secret. It’s then modified by Alfa. So I guess you are both right 😊

[@nessuno5403]

@@theLEGOguy22 you must believe in fairies then :) It is manufactured by Alfa Romeo at its Termoli plant, not by Ferrari in Maranello.

[@WayApp]

This is the ultimate showdown of Italian supercars!

[@stevefromseb]

Great job!

[@carhoney]

Thanks Steve!

[@HEMSJim]

Ugh, Griffin! I’ve gone a whole year with the silver Scudetto on my black quad. Now, thanks to you, I’m forced to buy the carbon Scudetto! It looks so good!! I had the carbon one on my previous red quad, but kinda liked the silver on the black. Anyway, great video and looking forward to seeing more! I also have the Alfissimo spoiler and agree about the GTA being too large!

[@carhoney]

That's awesome. Such a good looking spoiler! And per the Scudetto, carbon all the way! haha. But I might go bright Tecnicos for the future ;)

[@HEMSJim]

@@carhoney that’ll look sharp! I have dark technicos too, with the red calipers. They’re so hard to keep clean and I’m going to try a different set of pads to try and eliminate some of the dust.

[@jalloor]

Great review from a modified Quadrifoglio.

[@mikesreviews3334]

Very nice Quadrifoglio! I have a red Quadrifoglio if you are ever on the Central Coast and are up for a drive.

[@carhoney]

Thanks Mike that would be great! We usually bounce between north and south but sometimes make it to Laguna Seca if you’re near there.

[@mikesreviews3334]

@@carhoney only a very short drive away from Laguna Seca

[@johncreedon7847]

Have one. Love it, mine is a 2019 totally stock vesuvio grey. From the in car acceleration part of the video, it's certainly looks faster than stock..and that's saying something as the stock car is very fast. Love the ride height of your car.

[@carhoney]

Thank you. That’s awesome. Enjoy it stock if you love it. Only mod if you’re going to do it just right 👌

[@johncreedon7847]

@Car Honey yea here in Ireland tracks are almost non exist so its a road car only. I drive it in race with dampers on mid and its nuts on the road. In the wet I flick to dynamic. I run 5 mm spacers and mich pilots 4s tires. Amazing car. Had 3× m3s(46 , 2 x92s) in a row before the quad.

[@KPSX1]

This is definitely the best and most powerful mid-size sedan in the world! 🔥🐍

[@malcolmburke]

Beautiful car and great video! I have a Rav4 so I can really relate to needing some good mods to get the best out of my car

[@carhoney]

Just LS swap the rear then bolt a Tesla battery to the front. 10x the power but still hybrid.

[@malcolmburke]

😮

[@evo18]

Another great video, guys! BTW, how did you guys not get pulled over at 16:06?😅

[@carhoney]

Thanks! We’ve been wondering the same thing…he must have been a Super Trooper

[@dwaynebolan2583]

Great video! Please do a F80 and G80 review.

[@carhoney]

That’s in the queue 👌🏻

[@Andy-Andeee]

Tecknico Wheels , belissimo ! ❤🤌

[@AdrianoCisternino]

Nice video! I have just ordered the GiroDisc upgrade that I will run with Endless ME20 Pads. Cannot wait to feel the difference on track. Have you tried a QV with the KW DDC Coilovers? How do those feel vs the route you have taken, of Stiffer Springs and GTAm software? Has Jason given you any feedback on this? Finally what kind of values are you running with the GMS kit? Thank you in advance and keep up the great work! Looking forward to the followup videos.

[@carhoney]

That’s awesome! I will be doing the Girodisc next as well. And I’m curious how those endless pads work out! These springs and dampers are supposedly better than the KW set up. Stiffer and more compliant. But all I can say is stiffer for sure since I’ve never felt the KW personally. And since they are very tamed by the damper tune, and about $2k less… I see zero reason to go KW. Especially if you track your car. Our camber for the front is set to -2.5. I will go higher with future adjustments and mods.

[@carhoney]

And the whole reason Jason did this “coilover” set up is because the KWs just weren’t cutting it. So I’ll take his word for it.

[@AdrianoCisternino]

@@carhoney I have spoken with GiroDisc in the USA and they have said that they have many clients in the USA using the Endless ME20 and they are a great match. The only negative is that if you use the car as a daily, then the ME20 wear down the rotors quite quickly when they are run at lower temperatures. In my case they are perfect, as I only use the car for spirited drives on b roads and monthly suspersprint track days. I can provide some personal feedback in a few weeks, once I get the rotors and pads fitted and get to experience the car with this new setup.

[@AdrianoCisternino]

@@carhoney that is certainly an interesting comment! What spring are you currently running with this setup and how much lower is the car? I find that my car is already very low as it is and I am unable to drive it on my steep driveway. I would not like to get her any lower, as it is already so easy to hit the front spoiler as it is!

[@drivewithanam]

You get cars man!

[@carhoney]

Thank you man! 🙏

[@darryllongley4025]

In the UK i have had the celtic tuning remap Not only has it increased the bhp to 604 the lower end is better and has a vast in improvement through all settings and all the gears In race mode its an absolute hooligan

[@carhoney]

I bet! I did a ~600bhp tune as well. Regardless of the nature of my preferences for the track… it was a great time! Too easy to lose the back end (in a good way though)

[@QuadrifoglioLife]

What springs did you go with? I know you said alfissimo but which ones? Your car looks lower in the front than what they have listed on the website.

[@HingleMacCringleberry]

A great alternative to the MC20 is the Aston Martin DBS 770 Ultimate that being released late 2023

[@carhoney]

We would love to review that as well, know anyone who's getting one?

[@HingleMacCringleberry]

@@carhoney if i win the lotto and break in the car I'll meet up with you

[@carhoney]

Hahah deal

[@muchomalo100]

Love this car!❤

[@carhoney]

Thanks Joe!

[@Gaunai]

Coming from a Cayman GTS & Zamaro Zl1LE, I personally find this car much more playful and fun on track. My wife had the base Giulia for years before I got my Q, so I was already used to the brake inputs. Disagree with your assertion that it is terrible on track stock, sounds more like it just didn't suit YOUR preferences.

[@theLEGOguy22]

I think the QV is way better suited to smashing b roads than track work. Took mine on track once and it’s just way too heavy.

[@carhoney]

Totally agree. But the suspension mods really do solve 75% of that. Not sure this chassis will ever be truly up to the task though. Especially after experiencing what the M3CS can do at 3900lbs…

[@rellohz2755]

More Alfa content 🙏🏿

[@carhoney]

Hell yeah! We will do out best :)

[@rellohz2755]

@@carhoney many of us probably would appreciate seeing more on your Alfa . It’s beautiful 😩 I want the QV but I might have to consider the 2.0

[@HEMSJim]

Also, I thought you went from and x pipe to straight pipe? I just ordered the double h pipe from Jason, can’t wait to hear the sound. I had the Centerline x pipe on my last quad but the fitment wasn’t great and it dripped black carbon deposits on my garage floor.

[@carhoney]

I went back to custom x-pipe because the straight pipe was a little obnoxious. And I did it before the H pipe was released 🫠 I went and filmed the H pipe with Jason and it is SO good. You'll love it.

[@HEMSJim]

@@carhoney That’s great! That video was one of the contributing factors to getting the exhaust and I was wondering if that was your quad next to Jason’s. 👍

[@bruv5184]

Where did you get the GTAM front bumper?

[@moocw11]

What size tires are you running front and rear with that fitment. I have a 2018 qv but upsized 255 and 295. Think i can lower it ?

[@carhoney]

Same tire sizes as you! Yes you can lower it.

[@rlsedition]

I understand why one might want to upgrade a QV when track days are your target, but most of us won't be going to the track. And you need to total the cost of all your mods, which add a lot to an already expensive car. Many would say just buy a BMW M3 CS if you're willing to spend money/time like you have.

[@carhoney]

Totally get where you're coming from and you're right about most people not tracking this car (most people won't track any car, even track built specials lol). But I spent $54k on this car with 3k miles on it, put $6k into track mods and it is absolutely faster than an older M3CS for around the exact same price. Plus it's an alfa and is more fun to drive (IMO). The only limitation is aftermarket availability, which we are pioneering which is way more fun too. On another note... we will be comparing this car to a brand new 2023 M3CS to see how it holds up. Coming soon...

[@rlsedition]

@@carhoney When I considered an Alfa Giulia purchase I looked into both a used Ti Sport and QV. I checked all the dealers within 500 miles of me and the Internet used car sites and the least expensive QV I found after several weeks looking was $46k with over 60k miles (this was in Sept., 2021). How did you find such a low mileage QV at that price? The 2020 Ti Sport I ended up buying was $40k with 5k miles. I'm happy with my choice, as I'm only doing street driving and I have the Ducati in the garage if I feel "the need for speed". I do understand track days, as I've done plenty, but all on sport motorcycles, where the mods to get ready are easier (and much less expensive, I think) than cars - tires, brake pads, suspension settings, safety wiring and the requisite helmet, leather suit, gloves and boots. These days our group of older bikers travel down to either SE Ohio or western N. Carolina for twisty mountain type roads over extended weekends. Not as fast as a race track, but still fun.

[@carhoney]

@@rlsedition well 2021 was the highest point of the overinflated car market in history! Lol. Mine was in 2020. It was listed for 58k and I got it down. Go look at prices now. Not horrible.

[@rlsedition]

@@carhoney I know used car prices have come down, but you still got one hell of a deal!

[@MeijaJanis]

Alfa Romeo Giulia vs g80 m3, which would you take and why?

[@nonsonoenrico]

the giulia for sure, fastest 4 door sedan on the nurburing, imo way better looking than the g80 m3, way better of a driver’s car

[@justinli9484]

What size exhaust tips did you get/ where did you get them from? (If ya don't mind me asking :) )

[@carhoney]

They were generic for the most part from a custom shop. It’s mostly the style and size you want to choose. These were 4in outer diameter, double wall tips. I think 4in is perfect. Fits the diffuser space without looking too big (like say, centerline stradale exhaust with 4.5in, no for me!). Also I think they were 2.5in inner diameter or whatever the oem exhaust exits as. And 9in tips or whatever length welded to be flush at the exit.

[@carhoney]

Here’s an example of a cheap version just for measurement and to get an idea. But just have a quality shop do it. (And matte black is my preference of course) lcgppro.com/products/2-5-inlet-4-outlet-9-long-exhaust-tip-weld-on-silver-ss-double-wall?variant=39573488074832&currency=USD&gclid=EAIaIQobChMInLux2OT9_wIVLgetBh3wPwBpEAQYBCABEgISdvD_BwE

[@alexflorida9544]

Curious what tunes you tried before Squadra?

[@carhoney]

JB4 and EC. JB4 was very meh as it is not a tune. EC was better and hit pretty hard but not good for track. Plus if you're going to run your car at the track constantly, max power is not always ideal for performance or engine health.

[@alexflorida9544]

@@carhoney ya I had madness maxpower pro and did not like it. I chose ideal race and love it though I’ve never been on a track. I did get Jason’s springs as well - the suspension ecu makes that big of a difference? I need to get that than. Mine is also an 18

[@carhoney]

@@alexflorida9544 you need it I promise you. Refines the whole system dramatically. Makes the suspension feel factory quality.

[@merlo81]

Where did you get those exhaust tips?

[@carhoney]

The muffler shop who did my custom x pipe. They are 2.5” inlet to 4” outlet dual wall tips. Black. eBay has them I’m sure. Nothing special at all.

[@merlo81]

@@carhoney can you please send me a link? I think they look really fine compared to the stock ones. I think I’ll go with the x-pipe too to increase the sound a little more.

[@FredroStarr12]

Nice review and good production, just got my QV cant wait to take it for a drive 🍀

[@kasimirdenhertog3516]

Standard suspension on this car is not very sharp. I guess this ‘looseness’ makes it feel more comfortable and the tricked out differential and active aero are supposed to pick up the slack. Since I prefer a sharper, more communicative setup, I went for the KW V3 coilovers - this is the only aftermarket set that will connect to the car’s suspension control (DNA selector). It makes a big difference and I can recommend it to everyone owning a Q. I also lowered the car slightly and put spacers on the front and bigger tires all around (295/255 vs 285/245 I believe), makes the car feel even more planted.

[@muchomalo100]

The 67 Giulia with a Dutch licence plate 😎❤