FIRST TIME WATCHING *STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS VII*

[@TheNoidBag]

"If they ever killed Han..." Harrison Ford 35 years ago begging George Lucas to please let him die.

[@Haimgard]

not how it happened

[@xwave5688]

begged disney because he wants to retire

[@antbox1992]

@@Haimgard Harrison Ford wanted Han to die in Return of the Jedi

[@Haimgard]

@@antbox1992 No. George was going to kill Han because Harrison was Indina Jones at that point so he assumed he would not want to return but then someone at Lucasfilm called Harrison to ask him if he would comeback and he said yes so George wrote him back in.

[@TWISTEDSPARTANXIII]

George about to let him just before toys become popular

[@coopinatormusic6214]

They were only clones in the prequels, and they were "Clone Troopers." "Stormtroopers" in the original trilogy were regular conscripted soldiers and in the sequels they were still normal people but taken from their homes as children. Chewie

[@markerikson7423]

The transition was also a pretty big plot point in The Bad Batch

[@KeroHiro-Lil]

@@markerikson7423 Beat me to the punch on child soldiers with the stormtroopers

[@Riconort]

Yeah, but i dont blame anyone for thinking that theyre the same because the way its done, the prequels HEAVILY imply that stormtroopers are clones. Im pretty sure they were originally meant to be the same but it was retconned later, because looking at the movies themselves (ep 1-6), I cant find ANYTHING that would suggest clones and stormtroopers are different.

[@slightlycynical4308]

Storm trooper are made up of former clone troopers carried over as well as regular military conscription and recruitment from other humans in the galaxy that aren't clones

[@Regal99]

In old lore, most stormtroopers were conscripts, with units of a new generation of clones, from multiple sources.

[@KeroHiro-Lil]

40:17 I love the pink R2-D2. The droid was for a girl named Katie. She loved Star Wars and loved the color pink. In 2004 Katie was diagnosed with terminal brain cancer. The makers of R2 D2 heard her story and created R2-KT for her. Katie kept the droid by her bedside through her final days. Even after she is gone R2 KT will embody her forever

[@NoobNoobNews]

Story makes me cry a little. Also, as far as creative liberties are concerned, a pink r2 unit just makes sense in universe. Someone somewhere must have built, bought, or customized one to be pink.

[@KeroHiro-Lil]

@ true

[@StarstormVGN]

I'm reminded that they wanted to push Captain Phasma as the next Boba Fett for fans to latch onto, but nobody gave a flying Chewie about her. Instead everybody fell in love with that stormtrooper that yells "Traitor!" and comes at Finn with some CQC.

[@Сайтамен]

Because she has nothing about her. At least Boba Fett caught Han.

[@hotfart]

One of the best memes to come out of this trilogy next to booblo ren and babu frik

[@benjamintanderson5735]

They werent trying to push her as anything, it was the hyper-theorizing fans who expected her to be the new Boba and then they got upset when she wasn't.

[@StarstormVGN]

@@benjamintanderson5735 Undeniably a factor. But she was still prominent in a lot of the promotional material leading up to release. Not surprising that people assumed she would be more important than she was.

[@SwordBotMk3]

TR8R/FN-2199, my GOAT. I still remember seeing TR8R being the first meme I saw blow up in real time. I actually wanted a Z6 Baton toy as a holiday gift because of him. Fly high, FN-2199…

[@nomadthetrucker6489]

4:00 stopping the laser bolt mid-air is literally the best thing the sequel trilogy did. You can literally stop right here, and nobody would blame you

[@Aoitetsugakusha]

If only he’d stopped the laser bolt and not the momentum of the whole trilogy

[@flintslip8621]

I don't know, I always thought the moment we learned that ray is the heir of Slytherin when it was revealed that she knew parseltongue was pretty hype as well😂

[@saltyk9869]

@@flintslip8621 Yeah, but the threesome between Rey, Kylo and Snoke was a bit distasteful.

[@Mrinsecure]

If you want to understand what happened with this film, and the next two films, you need to understand JJ Abrams and his "Mystery Box" philosophy. Put simply, JJ Abrams (the director for The Force Awakens and Rise of the Skywalker) has this notion that you can bring people into a story by simply setting up a bunch of interesting questions/mysteries, even if you don't personally know the answers to those questions. This causes people to become engaged and want to discuss/theorize, making people excited and drawing out fan interest for potentially years at a time. (Why yes, he was one of the chief creative leads behind Lost, why do you ask?) The problem with this philosophy is that, if you don't actually know the answers to the questions you set up, your story could end up being nonsensical, especially if (as with the sequel trilogy) it winds up falling into the hands of other creators who have their own ideas of what they want to do, and who aren't necessarily interested in solving your mysteries. Moreover, the fans get pissed if the questions *do* get answered in a way that doesn't comport with how they think it should have been. Suffice it to say, this trilogy gets a lot of hate from fans, and some of it is even justified. But a lot of those problems start from Abrams and his Mystery Box, and you can see it pretty plainly here. Chewie

[@cardescomedioses3674]

You see it the most on ep VII, you feel it the worst on ep IX

[@yeshevishman]

The mystery box theory works for SOME stories very well, but NOT for good vs. evil story archetypes. That's why it failed so badly here.

[@chaost4544]

That storytelling method can only really work in a TV show format. I found Lost and Fringe enjoyable in part because of the Mystery Box but they have 15-20+ episodes per season to flesh out those themes in that form of storytelling. It's hard to use it in a story that requires the writers to tell it in two hours. Very few films have pulled it off well.

[@D3viant517]

It boggles the mind that they thought they could go into making a new trilogy for one of the biggest IPs ever WITHOUT A PLAN and somehow end up having it work out.

[@Mrinsecure]

@@yeshevishman It works fine for serialized formats (i.e. TV shows or comics) because you can iterate on mysteries over the course of dozens of episodes/chapters/issues. But for a single movie that needs to be completed in 1.5 to 2.5 hours, or even a trilogy that takes six to nine hours, yes, you absolutely need an answer to your big questions from the outset. You don't have time to iterate or improvise or create retroactive justifications, you nee the answer *now.* Otherwise it'll all fall apart when it comes time for a narrative payoff.

[@TheRealBitterbub]

Also Alicia, small clarification for you, MOST of the stormtroopers in this era are not clones. They were mostly phased out at this point, they mostly were stopped being used due to being deemed too expensive, but also had too short of lifespans.

[@RyderDunei]

i mean, in *this* era? i doubt there are any living clones left, except maybe Omega, they were already mostly phased out back in Ep. 4 except for maybe a few specialists and commandos, Bad Batch seems to suggest that they never really put clones in stormtrooper armour, they just slowly replaced one with the other.

[@OneThingRealQuick]

Yes, that’s what they went with. But this idea she just came up with, that they are clones, maybe the first order restarted the clone program but their version is flawed, is a better idea than what we got. Also, doing something meaningful with Chewie is a better idea too.

[@JudgeMad]

pretty sure all the clones except the ones without accelerated aging cant be alive anymore at this point in time

[@johannesbowers7467]

1. All of the clone wars era Kamino clones are already dead and gone. (Except Boba and Omega) 2. The Empire DID use a different Type of clones to help keep the Stormtroopers in line. Spaarti Cylinders grow full adults quickly, with no lingering fast aging and are flash imprinted with memories and skills. These are superloyal programmed Political Officers inserted randomly into the Stormtrooper Corps, and will instantly gun down anyone acting "treasonous". With the Empire requiring everyone to be a "number not a name" you couls never tell who you were serving alongside. 3. This program was used as a "reward" for high performers and exceptional soldiers or officers. They would have their genetic material archived for use in the Empire forever as a legacy. 4. The New Order uses neither the Clones Nor the Galaxy-wide volunteers and conscripts, but rather kidnaps children for indoctrination as Child soldiers from birth.

[@CloneCommanderCrater1102]

​@@johannesbowers7467Don't forget Kix! He was still around by this point also since he had been captured and put in cryo by the Seppies.

[@wendigo9114]

Last I remember, the Stormtrooper lore is that they are literally kidnapped children that have been "re-educated."

[@42billybob]

Prequels are clones. OT is standard recruitment & incentivizing volunteers with better living conditions. Sequels is kidnapping children.

[@TheKyrix82]

Yes. That was Hux's dad's idea, as I recall. It's REALLY fucked up what Hux and Phasma did to him

[@666FallenShadow]

for the first order ones, but the OG stormtroopers were conscripts and just imperial civilians who signed up

[@cguy20076]

Kinda like a corrupted version of what the jedi used to do with younglings

[@TheKyrix82]

@@cguy20076 Yes

[@UnchainedSora]

I think the two biggest issues of the sequel trilogy are that it essentially erases everything the heroes accomplished in the original trilogy, and that they didn't have an overarching story planned out when they started, they just would let each new director come up with whatever story they wanted. Plus, JJ Abrams and his mystery box approach of just creating questions he doesn't have answers to so someone else can figure it out later.

[@Maioly]

Yeah, be it in this or the novels, they had a really bad habit of undoing everything the heroes did The thrawn trilogy alone ends up portraying the rebels as a bunch of bickering incompetent idiots, introduced an anti-human bothan as one of the rebel trillogy (and hell, just portrayed every single alien character outside of thrawn, new or old, as being incompetent, evil or savage); Regressed luke into being an insecure mess (unless he was showing off to future wife mara jade, then he suddenly became calm and confident again) and just had the heroes be disrespected and disregarded over and over again.

[@BNuts]

@@Maioly Wow, what a vast misreading of one of Timothy Zahn's masterpiece trilogies, which helped to keep _Star Wars_ alive in the '80s and '90s, well before Disney bought the franchise. Zahn set up so much for the franchise, and they were used so well by other authors too, only for Disney to throw it all out, and then cherry pick elements that they wanted to use in their own weird way. Thrawn in _Rebels_ is nothing like Thrawn in these books. And let's keep Mara Jade away from Disney, if possible. She is my favourite character in the entire franchise. I do not want to see her Disniefied.

[@Maioly]

@@BNuts or maybe I am no looking at the novels with nostalgia I only got to read them a few years ago, and while I did enjoy the first one, by the third I was absolutely tired of the same points I brought up happening again and again, specially when criticism of the disney stuff came to mind (and mind you, outside of clone wars I've hated 99% of the disney canon stuff, even shit people love like andor and the mandalorian... season 1). What nostalgia and memories I do have of the extended universe (and I went DEEP on it long before reading the thrawn trilogy) is also filled with bitterness at seeing writers retcon or sabotage each other's plots, characters and progression. I do still think its better than how the disney canon turned out so far, which has elements of that on top of corporate fuckery getting in the way and making it a lot shittier and poorly thought out overall. I am not saying the thrawn books were not influential, just that they have major issues that tend to get completely downplayed or overlooked by people when comparing it to disney stuff.

[@BNuts]

@@Maioly How could I possibly compare it to anything that was decades from being made? No, _Heir to the Empire_ , _Dark Force Rising_ , and _The Last Command_ are great reads. As are _Spectres of the Past_ , _Visions of the Future_ , and _Outbound Flight_ . Timothy Zahn got picked to expand the universe of _Star Wars_ because he was already an accomplished sci-fi writer, and understood what was needed. He did nothing less than write would should have been the next trilogy after the OT. Unfortunately, that was never what George Lucas wanted. Well, apart from fan-made adaptations, no EU book will ever be known to movie-only fans, and that's the final fact. Doesn't matter if they're good or bad.

[@brianbayot8347]

Chewie: They didn't make the best movie, especially not for the Star Wars franchise, but they had enough potential to make something still great. Finn getting a whole redemption arc, Rey getting proper training and learning wisdom, it could have been better. And then Disney happened.

[@dannyred9094]

I still blame Disney for choosing someone else to take over the second film. J.J. Abrams set SO MUCH in place that could’ve made for a damn good trilogy, but Rian Johnson ruined it with his own spin in the second film, leaving J.J. to pick up the pieces and work with what was left for the third. The Force Awakens is my favorite movie from the sequels - mainly because it’s the beginning of a trilogy we never got.

[@fatebreaker413]

@@dannyred9094 Pretty much with you, Imo The Force Awakens by itself is decent and sets up some potentially interesting storylines even if it does take a lot of story beats from a new hope... Then the sequels got slammed with the disney sledgehammer and no one could put together the pieces into anything coherent or likable. Just a vague mess taped together loosely by memable lines of dialogue.

[@cyberneticbutterfly8506]

@@dannyred9094 Still has the problems with pacing and stuff. JJ does the Lost thing with 'the human story' interpersonal melodrama stuff with a sci fi skin while the actual good sci fi that he picks up was based in the emotion of 'love of adventure'. They also present the empire as more of a caricature of itself rather than the sort of cool empire before. It's feels like everything is just a mocking of taking star wars seriously. If the makers don't know how to suspend disbelief they just get lots of good individual scenes that are disjointed and with incoherent dialogue.

[@chaircheck2424]

@@dannyred9094 You're completely and utterly wrong. The entire fault lies with ABRAMS to begin with, because he was given the start of the trilogy and DIDN'T MAKE ANY PLANS FOR THE OTHER TWO MOVIES. He didn't put anything in place! That was the entire problem! He just set up a bunch of mystery boxes and said, "Well, we'll figure out what's in these boxes later."

[@soul6733]

I mean, Force Awaken is litterally just New Hope Remade with a different cast.

[@Thaylien]

My favourite thing about this movie is knowing that the Storm Trooper that Rei mind controlled is James Bond (Daniel Craig) who turned up on set between filming his movie and they thought it would be cool to give him a bit-part. So he's the Storm Trooper that sets Rei free ^^

[@BlackEpyon]

Wasn't his number JB-007?

[@VVraeth]

How to launder money to your friends. Page 1 of the Hollywood handbook.

[@sebastianemond5313]

There was a deleted scene in The Last Jedi, where Tom Hardy plays a Stormtrooper who recognizes Finn while he's wearing a First Order Officer's uniform, thinking he got a promotion.

[@XionDarkblood13]

Koba was cooking with “they got the framework but not the blueprint.” More than he realizes. Petition them to watch The Old Republic cinematics to see how you can develop characters in less than 5 minutes. How good Star Wars can really be. Also, petition for them to watch the Jar Jar Binks fan theory.

[@Maioly]

And Petition to get them to play dark forces and jedi outcast ... not so much dark forces 2, maybe watch a summary video of it or just its live action cutscenes.

[@ryanwight9116]

It’s basically a remake of “A New Hope” in my opinion

[@danedavid6925]

It staright up is. A bad remake however

[@summoner0005]

No, ep IV doesn't need to bring anything down to establish its characters.

[@ryanwight9116]

@@danedavid6925 I didn’t think about adding “and a bad remake as well” till after I posted the comment.

[@josh_miester_x511]

Desert planet, check. Astromech with secret intel, check. Sith with voice changer helmet, check. Chosen one who lives on desert planet, check. Death Star, check. Millennium Falcon escaping desert planet, check. Getting the original trio together again, NOPE.

[@nicktechnubyte1184]

​@@danedavid6925Exactly, and what they did in the sequel is unforgivable! I never saw the third movie and I never will, not even clips of it!

[@ajn_rules_5074]

My reaction to Alicia reacting to the sequels... "I have a bad feeling about this..."

[@KazeAizen]

@@TheLightbane Our childhood was not destroyed. It was not suffering. I'm so tired of blights like you acting like this.

[@KazeAizen]

@@TheLightbane Yeah blight. What got destroyed? Nothing. Nothing got destroyed.

[@Nabekukka]

​@@KazeAizen I can't see the comments you're replying to, what was the discussion about?

[@KazeAizen]

@@Nabekukka I can't see them anymore either. Them being overdramatic saying the sequels somehow destroyed their childhood and watching them is suffering. And I got very annoyed hence the name calling.

[@rocky-my5ck]

If anything we have to say about this trilogy Is that John Boyega is great Chewie

[@Sealice_the_Silver]

Some of the new stuff makes sense, but god do I become sad when I think about what could have been: In the books, Leia became a powerful Jedi, Luke married a force sensitive assassin who was sent to kill him, the Jedi order is eventually restored, and Luke uses the good side we saw in Episode VI to resolve many conflicts before they start. Also now we can't have Luke's drug addict grandson unless they suddenly reveal he had illegitimate kids.

[@hunterackerman1697]

The only good thing Disney did with it's sequels is get rid of Mara Jade.

[@Sealice_the_Silver]

@@hunterackerman1697 I disagree, especially since they butchered the entire original cast just to do so. Han does jack shit and dies immediately. Leia learns to use the force but it's only used in one scene making it worse than the route where she actually became a jedi. Luke somehow goes from giving mercy to a brutal murderer because he knows it's the right path, to trying to kill is nephew in his sleep, which is absolutely wild

[@hunterackerman1697]

@@Sealice_the_Silver I know and I hate a lot of that, however I hate Mara Jade more.

[@Unknown-hb3id]

@@hunterackerman1697 Why

[@hunterackerman1697]

@@Unknown-hb3id I've read the Thrawn Trilogy and she is rather uninteresting and isn't much of a character.

[@retrospectiverants2304]

Poor John Boyega. He almost had a good character in this. Chewie.

[@leorojas6390]

Yeah, until The Last Jedi just ruined his character.

[@retrospectiverants2304]

@ yep.

[@spicethief4826]

I feel so bad for the guy. He clearly cared yet couldn't save the movies let alone his own role.

[@ironheadgaming6270]

no the loser ruined Star wars and Pacific Rim

[@NinjaTyler]

​@@ironheadgaming6270how? He didn't write the god awful scripts for the movies blame the writers and directors not the actors.

[@DelphanGruss]

"But all the sith we've seen are like, calm, right? They control their anger." Darth Vader, literally 5 minutes into the first Star Wars Movie - at the Top of his Lungs, furiously, after having just choked a man to death with his bare hands: "COMMANDER TEAR THIS SHIP APART UNTIL YOU'VE FOUND THOSE PLANS, AND BRING ME THE PASSENGERS, I WANT THEM ALIVE!"

[@cardescomedioses3674]

Well it makes sense in context, to start, it was no small deal, it was the key to stop the death star, a MASSIVE investment in resources for power, and also it was an anger more like "godaammiit!! It was right in front of me, yet it escaped between my fingers!" So I'd say it was justified, besides, one thing is screaming over incompetence and the other is breaking importan equipment in front of your soldiers,

[@DelphanGruss]

Oh I totally agree - the difference between Vader and Kylo is night and day - and Vader is right to be curious. But he's definitely not calm there haha

[@nomadthetrucker6489]

23:14 "don't tell me she's a mutha fuckin twin tho" honestly wouldn't surprise me if that was their original plan

[@johannesbowers7467]

Considering that Rey is Dollar Store Jania Solo and Kylo Ren/Ben is Great Value Jacen Solo, yeah.... they actively pissed on the lore waiting to be adapted for "Disney Canon"

[@EvilOdysseus]

Just keep in mind that John Boyega has said that Disney used him for his race and threw his character arc out the window.

[@samwallaceart288]

In this case he's not wrong

[@Nabekukka]

And damn did it take a while for him to actually come around to that conclusion, somehow somebody with a good enough ability to articulate and express their issues finally got through to him that most people who hate the trilogy aren't doing so out of racism, unlike what he had most likely been led to believe. And I recall him stating that he was surprised that this exact thing was what a lot of people felt like. Before that, he was very much hating and mocking the fans.

[@adventuroushermit2590]

When BB-8 was introduced every prop maker went nuts trying to figure out how to build a real moving robot complete with moving head and omnidirectional rolling

[@Diceroller98]

I like how during the end of the video where they talk about the film, Alicia basically reaches a similar if not the exact same conclusion that Darth Bane did in regards to the problem with too many Sith at once. Chewie

[@gamerbear84]

Man, the Po and Finn story could've been something...

[@unversedhero6028]

Please don't peddle rumours.

[@gamerbear84]

@@unversedhero6028 What rumors? The characters just showed way more potential than the films lived up to.

[@joby-wankenobinolan3428]

The rule of why there were only two Sith hasn't always existed. That rule only goes back a thousand years prior when Jedi believed the Sith were destroyed. Further back than that, there were thousands of Sith that warred with the Jedi constantly for millenia. The reason Palpatine was so powerful was because of the rule of two, which was established to eventually make the sith more powerful than the Jedi by focusing the darkside into two beings at a time. The apprentice could only become the master by defeating the current master, ensuring the strength of the Sith increases every generation. The reason Anakin was so strong was because he was the chosen one. Another reason for the rule of two was to stop infighting among the Sith. In ancient times, many weaker Sith would gang up together to defeat more powerful Sith for more power and control.

[@pulverize3]

The dark side power isn't finite. The thought of distillation of power just doesn't make sense, revan, sion, Ulic Qel-Droma, marka ragnos, Freedon Nadd, Exar Kun, Nihilus Naga sadow, and Vitiate are all extremely powerful regardless of how many sith exist. Many on the list would out right destroy vader and sidous. 2 on the list are functionally immoral, more so than sideous. Bane was crutching on his light saber proof armor and thought it was him that was strong and not the invincible armor and extremely light, light saber. Bane was delusional when he created the rule of 2.

[@krzysztofdabrowski9399]

Fun fact - it was memed a lot, but in all seriousness - there was so little directional oversight over acting that Poe and Finn actors both just... Decided to go full on gay crush on each other half as a joke and half as a way of putting SOME energy into their acting. And the director didn't pick up on that. So it stayed.

[@robertoorrego4374]

There is no sequel trilogy in ba sing se

[@KazeAizen]

yes there is.

[@imaquackaholic]

"Blew up Starkiller Base? What are they gonna do for the next one?" I think you know what's going to happen, LOL.

[@BlackEpyon]

Giant space boomerang!

[@wonderpossum3295]

Everyone got done dirty by the sequels, John Boyega in particular. If I had to sum up the trilogy in two words, it'd be "wasted potential"

[@Jackson-ub1uv]

"A good question for another time" aka the entire sequel trilogy

[@megamuffin1940]

Ah god damnit, we’ve reached the Era where Star Wars films take a sharp and unpleasant nose dive into hell where they never climb out again.

[@KazeAizen]

No they didn't.

[@AHorrorFanatic]

​@@KazeAizenThey really did.

[@KazeAizen]

@@AHorrorFanatic If you think that's hell you've never seen a bad movie in your life. I can't even follow the logic of what these movies supposedly did that was so terrible.

[@AHorrorFanatic]

@KazeAizen 1.) They absolutely assasenated Luke's entire character. 2.) Rey is an insurable lead character. 3.) A certain og trilogie character sould'nt have come back(Vague for spoiler reasons.) 4.) None of the villains are scary, besides the one that carry the menice of past movies on their backs. 5.) It completely ingnores how the force is suposed to work 6.) They compleatly ignored how ships work. 7.) Half the plot is built on a contrivance. There are definitely worse movies, but the fact that there are worse movies doesn't make these good.

[@megamuffin1940]

Mary Sue MC(she barely trains at all and suddenly she knows how to use force powers and lightsaber moves that took others years to master, as well as other skills, plus she’s just super underdeveloped), the supporting cast is HELLA mid and only gets worse as time goes on in this trilogy, ruined the original team, more asspulls than any of the other movies, we aren’t even going to TALK about the 3rd sequel movies main villain, boring fight choreography, the introduction to the Stabbed with a lightsaber but don’t die meme, the force can just do whatever the hell now, and a D-List plot, and that’s just scratching the surface!

[@jacobhogan3208]

Some trivia: Poe was supposed to die in the Tie Fighter crash, but they liked Oscar Issaic (the actor) enough to keep him alive. Oscar Issac actively shipped Poe and Finn After the films releass, Mark Hamil would occasionally comment how it wad sad he, Harrison, and Carrie didn’t have a scene together. Chewbaca’s actor (for just this film) is the same actor as the original trilogy, Peter Mahew, who would die. One of the co-writers of Empire Strikes Back (Lawrence Kasdan) co-wrote this script, what people don’t know is a lot of the elements of ESB were actually written by Leigh Brackett who died before the second draft of the film was written. Harrison Ford was only contractually obligated to do A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back, so the carbonite stuff was done in case they couldn’t get him back for Return of the Jedi, he cane back but requested to be killed off, George talked him down, for The Force Awakens he made the same request and they agreed. Harrison in 2004 said that Han had no future or story responsibilities after ESB. In Legends, (Star Wars books/games/shows before disney bought the franchise, Han and Leia had thrrr kids - Jacen Solo, Jaina Solo, and Anakin Solo. Luke had a wife named Mara Jade and a son named Ben. Many compare Kylo to Jacen directly. The sequels stunt cast a lot of minor stormtrooper parts, imdb the the films and you’ll see. A lot of people were annoyed (Including Finn&’s actor John Boyega) because in TFA’s trailers and posters, Finn was being teased as a Stormtrooper turned Jedi only for Rey to be the surprise Jedi character. John Boyega has reposted fanart of finn as a Jedi and likes the idea of him having a Silver lightsaber. John is also a mega fan of Star Wars who had watched the shows and knows a bit of the lore. Daisy Ridley (Rey) is getting her own spinoff film, and despite rewrites, drama, some medical issues, and the sequel trilogy reception, a lot of fans really support her and want to give her something more to do. The pilot who Alicia called out for bad acting was actually 23 year old Jessica Henwick who was originally one of the people trying out for Rey. She is the same age as Daisy Ridley (also 23) Billie Lourd (Carrie Fisher’s daughter) also auditioned for Rey, but ended up getting a recurring minor role in the trilogy instead. Maisie Richardson-Sellers also auditioned for Rey, and was one of the New Republic officers who blew up. This does mean Rey was actually fairly race-blind casting as Maisie is black and Jessica Henwick is half english half Singaporean. Mark Hamil and Carrie Fisher both lost a LOT of weight for this movie. Rey is largely based (both in design and concept) on an early draft of ANH where Luke was a girl. During ESB, George included Yoda’s line of “There is another” to refer to Luke’s sister, who was someone other than Leia. George quickly changed his mind but it’s a continuation of the same concept of their being a young woman Jedi. Originally, Kylo Ren’s master / the supreme leader wasn’t meant to look like that, he was originally a “beautiful statuesque woman” but that was changed.

[@TheCsel]

They also wanted Wedge Antilles to reprise his role but the actor didnt really want to. (I fear he might have been the one killed at the beginning if he had been)

[@gaminganimators7000]

Some of those are really cool ideas

[@PotatoAces]

13:30 they nailed the fan reaction to Rey.

[@zacharyking3374]

Snoke was voiced and mocapped by Andy Serkis, the actor that plays Smeagol/Gollum in LOTR.

[@justusnixx]

"what are we doing" is a slogan of a sequel trilogy, unfortunatly. Chewie

[@lisboah]

The only good thing the Sequels accomplished was making us realize that the Prequels were actually pretty good.

[@Alte.Kameraden]

I wouldn't say that. Without the expanded universe the prequels kind of starve still, and I don't care about expanded universe lore and rate the films on their own two feet. Disney Star Wars does not matter in this context. I swear the quote you made is a coping method for fans of the prequels directed towards people who didn't like the prequels. Well, it doesn't work not on me anyways. I still dislike the sequels, Phantom Menace being the only one of them I liked. Is Disney Star Wars bad? WIthout a doubt. But it doesn't magically make the Prequels any better, no... because the prequels never changed.

[@mysteryman8468]

we shouldn't say bad things about the sequels, or else they are going to make an even worse trilogy

[@ErgoProxy12345]

i would add that some scenes looked better in 7 than prequels solely due to sets being mostly practical instead of green screens.

[@JacobKasza]

Not quite good, but maybe ‘better than we initially thought’

[@mysteriouslunar9779]

@@Alte.Kameraden Clone Wars and other supplementary material did the Prequels so many favors in peoples minds. I STILL remember all the shrieking about Jar Jar and Anakin being a whiny emo, how can this guy end up as Darth Vader etc etc. Its just that the internet wasnt as huge back then so it couldnt build up the same momentum online, though there was plenty of mockery on TV and such. But I guarantee the screaming wouldnt be far off from any Disney attempt if they came out today.

[@eriksmith3089]

This is gonna be an interesting trilogy, one way or the other

[@fightkostka]

You could say, from a certain point of view

[@konstantinosmoschos1050]

54:55 there is no gray area and there is no light side. There is the benevolence of the force and then there is the corrupting dark side. Because of that corruption you can't exist in the middle, cause before long, without even realising it youll find yourself drenched in darkness.

[@Gfreak250]

One thing I'll always remember from this movie is when they dropped the first trailer. And of course all the old characters like Han and Chewie returning.

[@takota6316]

Old Republic lore / rule of 2 - Long ago the Jedi and Sith have fought countless wars, the Sith became so powerful that they formed their own empire, The Old Sith Empire. The Jedi then joined The Galactic Republic and fought the Sith Empire. Tired of the repeated generational stalemates, Sith Lord Darth Bane realized that the Sith are weak because there are too many of them. Darth Bane then created and implemented the Rule of Two; a Master and a Apprentice to kill the master and take on an apprentice, to ensure that the Sith grew more powerful and cunning with each generation. He then gathered the Sith and killed them. "Two there should be; no more, no less. One to embody power, the other to crave it."

[@megaboy767]

I was honestly expecting you to watch the shows before this. It's fine. Everyone has a reason to like and dislike the sequel trilogy. If my unwarranted opinion can be useful, I dislike it mostly because it's actually bad with their foreshadowing, and character butchering. But my main problem is that 1. the First Order realistically makes no sense to exist. And 2. They just copied A New Hope with the first movie, which is why The Force Awakens is somehow the best movie in the trilogy. Also, Chewie.

[@megaboy767]

Like, the First Order, a new organization, somehow managed to go unnoticed and build an entire planet-sized Star System-buster weapon, when they should have no funds for this. THE EMPIRE, the RULING SYSTEM of the galaxy, was barely able to build a Single-planet-busting weapon.

[@sapientbirb7350]

Definitely agree with you there, though I'm one of those people who prefer The Force Awakens over The Last Jedi. The tone becomes noticeably more goofy. The antagonists randomly get an upper hand despite losing what's basically a planet destroying shotgun. The Will They Won't They between Rey and Ben feels like it was recommended by a stereotypical shipper. And the attempts in making a theme feel about as forced as the themes I put in some of my personal stories that I rushed out for my Highschool Writing class.

[@megaboy767]

@@sapientbirb7350 I agree, TFA is much better than the rest of the trilogy

[@matheusfili]

You guys NEED to watch the SNL skit with Adam Driver playing Kylo Ren.

[@stephensmithvids]

I'm gonna go ahead and say it, I personally liked this movie compared to the ones she's gonna see later on

[@DiffuseStatue]

Ya, it wasn't great, but it wasn't all bad. There was room to turn something interesting out of the next two. Then Disney did its thing and killed it.

[@theghostoftheuchiha1999]

Thats fair, but the fact that Rey had a chance against Kylo and managed to learn how to use the force like how she did is disgusting, disrespectful, and disappointing.

[@stephensmithvids]

​@@DiffuseStatue Facts, they fumbled so hard after this

[@stephensmithvids]

​@@theghostoftheuchiha1999 ngl Ren to this day is my favorite character outta the sequel cast and to see him get washed so easily like that at the end was pretty bad I agree

[@Vantainium]

Yeah. Episode seven was just mid, while the others were straight up bantha poodoo

[@joby-wankenobinolan3428]

If Rey was Kylo's twin, don't you think Han would've reacted to her being his daughter.

[@XionDarkblood13]

If you guys want to see that stuff you were talking about, lots of Sith, Jedi as a full blown army, a jedi that uses the light and dark. The Old Republic era is a treat. Knights of the Old Republic II, has arguably the most interesting character in Star Wars. This lady rose to the highest peak of the Jedi and fell, then rose to highest peak of the Sith and fell. Her perspective on the force is one of the coldest takes and best takes on the force I have ever seen. To get her full story naturally in the game, you would have to play it, iirc, SIXTEEN times doing specific choices at specific times to get her whole story. The depth of her character was crazy and I loved it. I highly recommend “the philosophy of Kreia” video on KZbin for anyone who is interested in the true nature of the force. At least one very very good one. And in my humble opinion, the correct one.

[@paolocalapatia6401]

I definitely prefer This Movie out of This New Trilogy. It wasn’t perfect like The Other 2 BUT I at least be ok with watching This again

[@crowxcrazyhead2917]

19:09 best meme ever "I didn't know there was this much green in the whole galaxy..." Cuts to a green screen

[@leonverreuil6365]

So... fun fact. In the original expanded universe setting, Han and Leia had 3 kids. A set of twins (B/G) and a younger son later. The boy twin eventually fell to the darkside, but we had so many years of storyline building up to it. When Disney bought the series, they ditched decades of lore to make this new, watered-down version of their own agenda driven storyline and with the exception of Clone Wars, Rebels, Rogue One, and the Mandolorian, their new timeline is very dull and disjointed due to creative differences and lack of understanding of the source material. There was so much they could have drawn from, but they didn't.

[@dvader518]

There was no lack of understanding.

[@Avenger85438]

Lucas never considered any of that canon. It was always a separate continuity.

[@CarbonMage]

Tbf, Darth Caedus was bullshit, at least Kylo shows up already evil lol Don't get me wrong, some of the old expanded universe is fantastic, but Jacen's fall is... not

[@yobud6637]

11:43 "The droid... stole a freighter?" This guy's clearly never met Chopper from Star Wars Rebels if he's that surprised by something like that 😂

[@shippouma121]

Disney saw the original trilogy and was like. ‘I can do that too.’

[@sebastianemond5313]

"But even worse!"

[@reuz5462]

You mentioned the twins thing. In the Legends universe of Star Wars, Han and Lei had three children, the twins Jaina and Jacen, and when those two were teens they had another son they named Ben.

[@InspectorWhoReacts]

Sorry but I gotta correct ya, Han and Leia 3rd kid was named Anakin. It was Luke and his wife who named their Son Ben.

[@SwordBotMk3]

I still remember seeing TR8R being the first meme I saw blow up in real time. I actually wanted a Z6 Baton toy as a holiday gift because of him. Fly high, FN-2199…

[@In-The-Zone]

I honestly like how Kylo really throws his all into everything he can in order to get into the dark side. Even going as far as to slam his own stomach wound in the final fight to keep himself going through the injury.

[@Jackex]

and then lost to some random woman who said, oh what this glow stick

[@In-The-Zone]

@@Jackex Except Ray has been surviving on her own for a decade and has a strong connection to the force. The same as a kid Anakin had the force to aid him in pod racing without any training. Its like of Luke getting a shot on Vader in cloud city despite the fact he had no proper sparring prior to facing Vader. Kylo wants Ray alive, Snoke or whatever wants her alive, Kylo is injured and was still overpowering her until the end where she got 1 minor shot on him which was basically her version of Luke hitting the port in the Death Star.

[@that1dood860]

The cope is real. Lol. ​@@In-The-Zone

[@dragonheart967]

​​@@In-The-Zoneall that is cool and all, but this is a direct fight with a Sith, a trained Sith with experience, the force isn't gonna tip the balance as significantly like it did with Anakin destroying that droid ship. Following that, Luke got a lucky hit, Rey outright dominated the fight against Ren, to the point that the world had to split apart to save him. All this with no training whatsoever with a sword style weapon, something entirely different to a spear, all of this with no experience fighting someone with his fighting style. If you're going to make comparisons to previous events, then be sure that the context matches, otherwise you're comparing apples to oranges

[@In-The-Zone]

​@@dragonheart967 More like you just want want to pick and choose. Luke never flew a star fighter before yet makes a 1 in a million shot with only a vague concept of the force. Oh but he road a speeder and shot at rats so it carries over. Totally different and in no way equivalent, apples to oranges. Fuck off

[@speedhuntr]

Chewy's a hundreds-of-years warrior/veteran/smuggler with a weapon we've seen LEVEL dudes in this movie. He's a VERY good shot. I'm convinced his missed the killshot on Kylo on purpose. That's Nephew man :(

[@Alte.Kameraden]

I heard Rogue One, so I'm excited. It and the Solo film are the only Star Wars films made by Disney I've liked. lol

[@shadowdragon7347]

Rogue one was one of the 3 good things disney ever did with star wars. With andor and the mandalorian seasons 1-2

[@tartoflan]

Rogue One is great, I won't stand for any slander on it

[@BlackEpyon]

They got rid of Kyle Katarn, but Rouge One was just so fucking good that I forgive them for it.

[@RandomPerson4402-tp7in]

Rogue One was definitely Disney's only decent SW movie and while alot of people just remember it for the hallway scene, i mostly just liked it for the entire Batlle of Scarif and it's new shoretrooper armor.

[@dark_disciple]

Actually the last good star wars movie

[@strikewolfy]

This is the first Star Wars film I saw in the Cinema. It was awesome. It makes sense to think the Clone Troopers and Storm Troopers are the same thing as they're fairly similar, but the clones get phased out after the clone wars and before the fourth film, most of them die during the Empires rule and the clone facilities on Kamino were destroyed. Storm Trooper is a career path for the Empire during its day. I found the Han solo death fine for him, but I also grew up with the knowledge that Harrison Ford wanted to kill Han Solo for years, and the books where Han moved more to the background and the kids take more of the stage. The Rule of Two comes from one Darklord who put it in place after a Sith civil war, and it's broken all the time outside of the movie. Chewie

[@scalyvaporeon2232]

In my head cannon ,THIS Universe IS NOT cannon, but what COULD have been. Bascially an Alternate Universe :D Also BEN SOLO (KYLO) isn't cannon. Han and Leah's actual kids are Jacen, Jana, and Anakin Solo :D

[@samwallaceart288]

What would've been a GREAT ending is 1. Rey and Kylo have their fight FIRST 2. Rey does surprisingly well just simply because she's calm while Kylo is tweaking and making dumb mistakes; Kylo then gains the upper hand by cheating. Han intervenes before he can finish her off. 3. Just when you think Han is about to sacrifice himself so she can escape, Han flips the script and KNOCKS KYLO TF OUT with a stun blast point-blank mid-monologue like "Oh you think you can bamboozle ME? I TAUGHT YOU THAT SHIT. You're coming with me. _I'm not asking."_ 4. Han kidnaps his son back and locks him in a specially-designed Sith containment cell with his favorite bedding, plenty of light, and a window to try talking to him. 5. Whole next movie is Snoke using Kylo as a beacon to figure out where their secret base is, Kylo keeps trying to escape, and Han Leia and Luke each having their own opinions on how to draw out this Snoke guy and redeem their boy.

[@DKdusk]

I actually like the force awakens but its just down hill from here

[@takota6316]

Fun fact; Chewie giving Harrison Ford his jacket was not in the script, and you can see it in his reaction. 33:15

[@jakenator7427]

Ugh, I haaaatttteeeee this trilogy. However, I am interested in seeing Alicia’s reaction to it 😊

[@Alte.Kameraden]

agreed, definitely with the other's fresh in her mind.

[@Desgaroth]

i don't actually. I find no joy in people going through this trilogy. For me it might as well not exist.

[@HaganeNoGijutsushi]

Honestly the one I'm most looking forward to is Rogue One. That one is pretty much the only other worthy Star Wars movie at this point.

[@kevthepoet]

I'm so curious.

[@KazeAizen]

@@Desgaroth Why?

[@theandroidartist5897]

Codeword: Chewie A few fun facts I think you'd like: 1. Kylo Ren's lightsabre isn't as stable as most others because the crystal inside is damaged, which is why it has that ripple effect, the cross guard on the hilt disperses the excess energy. 2. To correct one bit of lore. The GAR(the Republic army from the prequels), were the only faction that strictly used Clones Troopers. The Empire phased them out in favour of enlisted/conscripted civilians, and the First Order's Stormtroopers are, essentially Spartan II's from Halo, but without the super soldier stuff. 3. Captain Phasma's armour is made from the same material as the Naboo starships from the prequels. 4. There is a comic in canon that explains why C-3PO has a red arm in TFA.

[@willfanofmanyii3751]

Reminder that this is somehow supposed to be a sequel to Return of the Jedi...

[@Tyarrk]

where after 30 years Luke is still the last Jedi ... the bs is palpable.

[@ramoncunningham71]

That lightsaber that she had was Luke's original from Empire Strikes Back.

[@petrhamera9399]

it hurts me that alicia still thinks stormtroopers are clones

[@dragonbretheren]

To be fair, nothing in the movies up to this point explains the transition from Clone Troopers to Storm Troopers. She's going purely on the limited info she currently has.

[@ImpeccableZentertainment]

i mean were you expecting more from her?

[@TwinkyZero]

​@@ImpeccableZentertainmentFR

[@TheRealBitterbub]

​@@ImpeccableZentertainmentHonestly, yes. She has her "moments", but unironically think she's pretty smart and observant.

[@commandergs]

she is on track to watching animated clone wars, hopefully, she will get that lore.

[@MrJdronin]

I dont think they ever explained this, but in this trilogy and the OG trilogy, the troopers are no longer clones.

[@АндрейТишков-з9ф]

Does anyone know what happened to the reactions to Adventure Time?

[@samwallaceart288]

I dunno; I guess she just watched the first 2 seasons and stopped there for a break

[@D3viant517]

Apparently the show was taken down from whichever streaming service she was using or something along those lines. Should be back eventually

[@samwallaceart288]

@@D3viant517 ah, fair

[@GhostWatcher2024]

In the Legends stories, in the Yuzhon Vong, Chewie sacrifices himself to save Han's young son. Han SPIRALS... but runs into a heck of a character that is such a good counter for Han... it was Riggs and Murtough with the energy of Deadpool and Wolverine...

[@proteamdirector]

Looking back I still maintain the first third/quarter of this movie is good, I dare even say a good way to start off the new star wars trilogy. It’s when Han explains why Luke left and by extension the foundational setting of the new trilogy that it all takes a steep nose dive and never recovers.

[@Romapolitan]

Eh, I kinda agree but the Finn murder spree was pretty bad, the only thing I really liked is the opening and the visuals of the Starkiller shooting.

[@Unknown-hb3id]

On top of what Romapolitan said, there's also the bad worldbuilding from the start. The dynamic of the First Order and New Republic / Resistance is just horrible. The small authoritarian group ravaging systems for soldiers and billions worth of resources is able to build Starkiller Base and their armies unnoticed and/or untouched by the reigning government, despite New Republic (and one would think Luke's Jedi earlier on). The New Republic is incompetent and does nothing and gets "destroyed" when just 5 planets out of the entire galaxy go down and do literally nothing after that. The Resistance is this nothing-faction with 0 real identity besides "Rebels 2" bc they wanted to copy the OT. It's bad from the start...

[@jbomber4416]

btw storm troopers arent clones. the empire's storm troopers were people who signed up and were trained by the empire and the first order's storm troopers r people who r taken as a little kid and raised to be storm troopers iirc

[@mogwiawolf4354]

Also loved Finn in this movie but after that they just put him off to side when he was supposed to be a main lead character

[@VladyO]

I wanted to think the duel between Rey and Kylo Ren was simply the start of a gritty version of future lightsaber fights, where you eventually reach the grand set-pieces and high-octane choreography of the prequels by starting off with a very grounded and simple Original Trilogy-style duel where the emotional stakes and visual storytelling are the main focus (it's only an even fight because Ben was badly wounded by Chewbacca's BFG bowcaster and Rey is only just learning how to use the Force). While I didn't hate the later fights in conceptually (in fact I think they'd be executed quite well as they are in, well, better films), I grew to be disappointed we never really followed that direction (because there wasn't any).

[@RyderDunei]

I cant wait for the day Alicia meets Chopper ;p Also, as a full on star wars nerd, you know what else annoys me? you know what planet starkiller base was? It was Ilum, they couldn't just make it some new planet? It had to be ilum?

[@Crocogator]

speaking of Chewie, I like the idea that since he lives so much longer than everyone else, humans are like dogs to wookies. So losing Han is like him losing a dog, and then having to adopt Rey as his new pet.

[@ShantaeMMD]

Hey Alicia, have you ever seen Deadpool? If not, then it's a must-watch for any Canadian, especially one like you! XD

[@TalkingHeadProductions]

... she didn't watch the clone wars animated movie _she didn't watch the animated movie_ *_SHE DIDN'T WATCH THE ANIMATED MOVIE?!?!?_*

[@briandurio6479]

Ok to be fair, if she watched the movie she would also have to pretty much binge the entire series and it would take her forever to get to the sequel trilogy. I'm sure once she's done with all the movies proper she'll go back and hit all of the TV shows both animated and live action.

[@unversedhero6028]

​@@briandurio6479And that's a problem... why again? I would prefer she watched peak Star Wars now and leave the downfall for later.

[@briandurio6479]

@@unversedhero6028 I'm not saying it's a problem, just that from a content creation standpoint I can see why she would want to knock all of the movies out first. Especially if you're doing some sort of marathon on them, it's a lot easier to watch 6 hours worth of movies in a weekend then thousands of hours of multiple TV shows across month's. There are a lot of people who probably want to see her take on the sequel movies. (Personally I want to watch her rip them apart) So having her get them out of the way and then circle back to the actual good content that is the Clone Wars would be a good palate cleanser

[@justastudent8099]

Some lore on Starkillee base the one they blew up, it’s where Jedi went to find their kyber Krystal’s for lightsabers so the empire mined and destroyed it. The First order then used the planet and mining strips to make the base, evil perverting a symbol of the Jedi into a weapon.

[@Xionaga]

If you think Chewie being cold on the starkiller base is weird, remember he is from a jungle planet.

[@Ciffer-1998]

forget that, he didnt wear clothes on Hoth where its only ice and snow

[@theotherjared9824]

Back when this new trilogy had an ounce of potential.

[@DB6195]

It’s so awesome of Alicia to support the low grade “fan” works that came out a few years ago from that small company.

[@urchinblues7928]

Epic comment

[@dvader518]

High grade.

[@Unknown-hb3id]

@@dvader518 High grade flaming dungheap

[@mjbull5156]

"If they ever kill Han, I'm done..." Well, Star Wars Sundays have been fun everyone. Alicia, I would be interested to know what you think Rey's backstory is.

[@ibbopaul]

An Alicia reaction on my birthday I’m excited to watch any reactions from you and Chewy if I spelt it right 😊

[@samwallaceart288]

When this movie came out people who criticized it were dismissed as "bigoted fanboys who had too much nostalgia blinding and they couldn't handle a girl and a black guy replacing their headcanon" And here Alicia is, context-fresh, having ALL THE SAME basic criticisms about the writing being empty calories.

[@FandomChronicle]

There is no episode 7 There is no episode 8 and There is no episode 9

[@ripleyjlawman.3162]

You’re lame.

[@rocky-my5ck]

There is no sequel trilogy There is only the force

[@AdamEspersona]

Chewie. So... sad fact about "Starkiller Base". It used to be the ice world of Ilum, where Jedi younglings would journey to in search of kyber crystals, which would be the prime component for the creation of lightsabers. Following the Great Jedi Purge, Ilum was thoroughly mined out, the crystals utilized in the creation of the Death Stars. And the trench that resulted was later transformed into the base.

[@__TK___]

Harrison Ford got finally the ending he wanted for Han Solo in the original trilogy Edit: the speech Hux gave on the Starkillerbase hits very different if you watch the German synchronization of this film 💀 Chewie

[@eawhite782]

It's funny you mentioned twins, because in the old Legends books (before Disney bought Lucasfilm), Leia and Han did have twins (actually three kids, Jaina & Jacen and then Anakin), and Jacen eventually fell to the Dark Side and became a new Sith Lord. Also, Han dying is extra sad when you realize that Chewie shot his nephew in his anger over his best friend dying. You just know he has some wonderful memories of little Ben.

[@lonesavior]

The greatest failure of this trilogy was not having a love triangle between Poe, Finn, and Rey, with Finn in the middle.

[@sonicstormer]

Unfortunately Han dying was an inevitability. Harrison Ford was so sick to goddamn death of being Han Solo. He probably only agreed to be in the film on the condition that they killed him off.

[@Awsomeman328]

23:25 ** Sarcasm ** Oh man, the Stormtroopers, who are based in part on the irl Stormtroopers (WW2), are doing the Stormtrooper thing? Who woulda guessed? Ok, but for real though, pretty WILD for a Disney movie! Also, fun fan theory: A part of the reason why Finn broke out of his Stormtrooper brainwashing was because he actually hits his shots unlike other Stormtroopers who couldn't hit the broadside of a Space-Barn. And others in these comments have said this already, but Stormtroopers are not clones. They were eventually "phased out" (the best way I can describe it) from the Empire, probably b/c they were TOO capable and the Emperor didn't want to chance someone else making use of the secret Orders (like Order 66) to have the clones betray him exactly like he did to the Jedi. 34:55 So, uh, thing about this scene is, (from I've been told) Harrison Ford REALLY did not want to come back to reprise his role for Han Solo. He said that the role was too "immature" for him or something to that effect. However, when he did eventually agree to take up the role again he specifically requested that his character be killed in Episode 7 so that Han Solo couldn't appear in any of the future films to come. So, yeah, blame the actor partially for this one (if this is true and I remembered this all correctly enough). If I'm not mistaken as well, Poe was originally supposed to die and NOT come back, but I forgot what it was exactly that made them change it and bring him back. 40:30 Yes, Exactly. That is precisely why the Vikings and the Nords named them that, to make one island seem more appealing than the other when it is actually the other way around so that people would think about invading the wrong island instead of the one they liked more.

[@Unknown-hb3id]

Stupid fan theory imo considering it's the same exact scene where those troopers hit shots on Poe's ship and the entire villager population pretty accurately.

[@kevthepoet]

So when Alicia watched the OT I could not wait to watch it with her and I couldn't take my eyes off it. When she watched the prequels I couldnt stop watching. I watched 2 hours of streamers playing Lethal Company since this started. Alicia makes it worth watching tho.

[@yamahakid450f]

A girl who knows nothing of the force, wasn't trained a day in her life with the force and couldn't name a single lightsaber form, yet, she just so happens to overcome and even reverse Kylo's force abilities, and land blows in a lightsaber duel... He's the grandson of the the chosen one 'space jesus', and was trained by his Uncle Luke, the most powerful jedi in history, meaning he has a similar potential to Luke and Anakin.. Then after reading Kylos mind, she uses the force ability to influence others.. without knowing about the ability and ever seeing it used.. I don't care if you're Anakin, Luke, or whoever, if you don't train and learn force abilities, you'll never get close to doing much of anything. Talent and potential mean nothing if you dont learn and work hard. They may be able to move stuff with the force, or use it like anakin did as a kid without even realizing he was force sensitive, but that's about it... and she never even used an ounce of her potential throughout all these years, until in one single day when she learned of the existence of the force, then started using all these abilities on whim...Not even Luke could use the force at all before training. it makes no sense, it's cheap writing and makes the purpose of training and having a Master absolutely pointless... beyond all that, this is like a rehash of the original trilogy... it's literally all the same, just with different characters. By the end it negates everything Anakin and Luke did and sacrificed in 1-6... The people who love these, they've never seen a single Star Wars movie and started off with the sequels so they don't know the story, the old characters, or how the universe works... or they just don't understand Star Wars or it's characters even after starting with 1-6, and they're just into the battles, cinematography, and the more advanced CGI... Rest of the sequel aside, what they did to Luke's character should piss every single Star Wars fan off. With that said, if you've never seen a single star wars movie prior to 7, or if you're solely into the fights and visual effects while not caring about the actual story or it's character development, then they'd be pretty good from that perspective. And the ones who wrote these movies and Kathleen who's got creative control, they don't understand Star wars or it's fans. Kathleen's goal was two things... 1. Push an agenda. 2. Ruin the Skywalker Saga and start over because of her fued with George Lucas and Mark Hamill. Just go watch videos of Mark Hamill hating on the sequels, he feels the same way as we all do and for good reason... he was shitting on them in live QnA's sitting next to the ones in charge, before they even finished filming the sequels, he was pissed and didn't give a fuuckkk what they thought about it. And George wrote multiple scripts for the sequels, they could of just used those... and they had a never ending supply of Legends Lore, they could of just used that and adapted it to the big screen. We would love that, there's so much in legends I wish we'd get to see. From expanding the Sky Walker Saga, a Vader film(s) or series using the Vader comics, movies on ancient Sith, a trilogy of Reven's life... which starts as Jedi, then a Sith, back to a Jedi. He was so powerful, he brought himself back to life... or even a well done Ahsoka movie/series. There's so much in legends, if they used that and didn't force their agenda, it'd be great.. they'd make a lot of money while making it very easy for their writers...cause everything we want is already there, just adapt the stories and lore into a script. Anyway... go watch the clone wars animated series (you get a lot of Maul too), Rogue One, Andor, season 1-2 of The Mandolorian, and the Kenobi series has some good episodes. Rebels after you're finished with Clone Wars is also really good... and it's needed if you watch the Ahsoka series, which I didn't like. It didn't feel like Ahsoka at all, and she's one of my favorite characters in the franchise. She's in the Clone Wars series.b

[@AndrewInmanartist]

This trilogy is strange, but hope you enjoy it. I heard each movie was suppose to be a collab with 3 different writer/directors. After this one, Rian Johnson takes over the next one, but then they bring back JJ Abrams to wrap it up because of how the events of the next one was recieved. As far as Rey, I agree that they focused on her connection to the force more than character personality. When it explains how her connection is so strong, you may or may not be okay with it, looking forward to seeing your takes on it. I think they originally didn't want to give a reason, but people started talking about her being a Mary Sue. Since the prequels revealed Mitochlorians and how it determines their strength, they decided to give an explanation.

[@adrianvulpes9509]

‘7 “fixes what was wrong with the prequels.” ‘8 “fixes what was wrong with ‘7.” ‘9 “fixes what was wrong with ‘8.” As a video-essayist once said, this is the Star Wars Anti-Trilogy, and not just because they weren’t written at the same time by one person.

[@Haimgard]

lol no

[@adrianvulpes9509]

@ what do you mean by that?

[@Haimgard]

@@adrianvulpes9509 nothing is fixed by those movies

[@Jmasterturbo2]

@@Haimgard thats why there are air quotes around the "fixes"

[@Haimgard]

@@Jmasterturbo2 ok, why are there quotes around the "wrong" then? I get the prequel one but not the other 2.

[@ViewerOnline101]

Harrison Ford actually insisted that Han be killed off. It was a condition for him returning.

[@danielramsey6141]

I kinda wish this Film had Luke Shown up to see/feel him.

[@adinhansen3768]

The sequels are not remembered fondly. This first movie one was nostalgia bate and the second and third destroy everything that came before.

[@Rthe47]

Rey grew up in a world where Leia, Han, and Luke were all legendary figures, bigger than life. So for her, seeing Han die is like seeing one of her heroes die. Her daydreams are of being like them, she wants to be a hero, or at the very least see the heroes win. She wants the world to be about more than survival. Finn on the other hand has grown up in the middle of the conflict, he just wants out, along the way he started finding things to care about more than survival. His misfortune is that all of the people he comes to care about all care deeply about the conflict he wants nothing to do with.

[@csakponou]

It's only going downhill from that point. This movie, in my opinion, is the best of the Sequel Trilogy.

[@MaskedHopper]

As someone commented earlier, the Sith a thousand years before this time were very self-destructive and sceming. They did conquer most of the galaxy several times, but would usually kill each other off or weaker Sith would gang up on the stronger ones, hence weaker Sith would move on.

[@ahariyo8558]

This entire sequel trilogy felt so unnecessary despite of the potential it had…but I gotta say, I absolutely loved the chemistry between Finn and Poe. My favorite characters from this trilogy

[@Tyarrk]

heh, funny how the best thing that came out of the "the force is female"-trilogy is a bromance.

[@roanwanek2673]

I don’t know if anyone mentioned it but Starkiller had been under construction since the early days of the empire. It was constructed in the planet Ilum, where the Jedi would get their kyber crystals for pretty much all their lightsabers

[@Tyarrk]

i imagine that is an EU idea? Anyway the concept is stupid imo. Unless they found a way to have a planet travel like a space ship and/or make laser beams travel through hyperspace, that thing should be literally useless.

[@roanwanek2673]

@@Tyarrk nope, the extended universe was decanonized before the sequels came out. It’s actually shown in Jedi: Fallen Order

[@Tyarrk]

@@roanwanek2673 i see, thank you for the clarification.