GotWay MSX Pro Electric Unicycle | The pursuit of speed, oops I mean torque

[@AlienRides]

We're back to our roots with a few EUC videos coming up. Lots of content soon with EUCs, Esk8, Scooters and more. Subscribe and let's ride!

[@JakeMitchell018]

Nice euc review and at 1:09 a great squeaky trailer lol

[@RSMethodology]

No more scooter videos, please! :)

[@AlienRides]

TAWORS Digital Magazine TV can’t promise that 😅

[@ElectricUnicycles]

That's kind of disturbing that the wrong one was sent. Many people wouldn't know the difference. Hopefully Gotway has labeling on the box that indicates it's the high-speed version. When he gets the new wheel, let me (us) know if the box labeling says anything. A high-torque wheel requires a different motor configuration (magnets) that get in the way of high-speed. You can't have it all :-) Those are Nikola pedals, not ACM pedals. And if you buy the wheel from any company other than EWheels, it ships with the standard MSuper pedal (with the rubber inserts). EWheels has Gotway put the Nikola pedals on the wheels that Jason sells. So Gotway would never change the shell just to accommodate EWheels.

[@AlienRides]

Yeah, tricky to know which model you really got I think, which is one of the reasons I think GotWay should make less modesl, but more polished ones. Good to know about the pedals. I guess the pedal magnet thing will just be feedback for Jason then :) Nice seeing you Marty.

[@mpulido102]

Look on rim motor code "C38" = 2500W "C30" =2000w. Per Ewheels. Hope that helps.

[@CameronMassie]

Nice! So excited for my torque edition MSP! Here in Portland I think the torque model is more useful. I did lose sleep over which version to get though.

[@AlienRides]

Yeah to be fair 37mph on an EUC is still really great. My first EUC only went 9mph 😅Enjoy it!

[@taziologlisi6751]

When'd you order your MSP?

[@freshlycharged]

I completely agree: Gotway needs to streamline their menu. Having a huge selection is great but it can get too confusing and overwhelming for simple minded people like me.

[@AlienRides]

Hah, we're all simple minded people, no smart person would do what we do on EVs 😁 But yeah, hoping they have less wheels, that are more polished in the future.

[@themystx2]

How to "deliver torque and speed in a single package" increase the voltage. They're not there yet. Also regarding your pedals not properly fitting on the shell; that's an eWheels custom addition, the actual factory units come with the original Msuper pedals.

[@AlienRides]

Gotcha, I wasn't sure about the ewheels custom addition there, but hopefully that's good feedback for them. My hunch is that they order them that way customized from GotWay, instead of doing the swaps themselves? Definitely would love to see increased voltage and watts to the motors for torque and speed.

[@themystx2]

Alien Rides Issue is the motors can be wound for high kv (higher top speed less torque) or low kv (lower top speed, more torque) both with their own set of pros and cons. At the 100V level there isn’t much more you can do on either side so it’ll come down to higher voltage to deliver both at speeds above 50 mph. Pedals not being a little loose folded up isn’t much of a problem but the foot space and full grip tape is more secure while riding, so it’s a fair trade off.

[@AlienRides]

themystx2 yeah that makes sense. I also think about how a Rion runs around 96 volts but can reach 100mph. The motors are smaller, and I think they draw a lot more amps out of the battery.

[@themystx2]

Alien Rides scooters have amp limits on the controller side, gotways dont; they simply cutout when they can’t deliver the current requested. Notice some of the compromises on the Rion; there are holes in the motor cover for airflow to prevent those things from instantly burning. They basically use a Lacroix controller to deliver those 400A.

[@jamesbaynes6580]

Great video. I just got my torque edition back from eWheels after it caught fire in my garage. Flames aside, once I got used to the angle of the pedals (other wheels are 18XL and V10) I’ve found the Gotway to be the easiest to turn on a dime.

[@AlienRides]

Whoa, crazy that your wheel caught fire, and I'm glad you were able to get it replaced. Gotways feel great for sure... when they're not burning! 😬

[@donitaforrest9064]

That sleek uni gizmo should be promoted (with freebies & this video ) to hockey leagues training in summer, for that Wayne Gretzky finesse on the ice.

[@AlienRides]

That’s actually a pretty good idea, I think it is very similar to ice/snow spots. It feels very similar to skiing for me actually as far as leg stance and carving goes.

[@eBoard3R]

👏🏼thank you👏🏼 and as always, great shots!

[@AlienRides]

Thanks for stopping by! 👽🖖

[@WHITELIONNYC]

I'm never buying or riding a unicycle but here I am enjoying another AR video. 😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎

[@AlienRides]

Thanks for stopping by, they are different types of rides for sure. We'll cover everything in the future.

[@WHITELIONNYC]

@@AlienRides speaking of FUTURE...I just realized you're a GENIUS if you did it for this reason or you just got lucky: your channel name and covering everything in the future...soon there will be space travel...who better to review the vehicles than ALIEN rides!!! (future, space, aliens, electric vehicles, space rides) 👽👽👽👽👽👽👽👽👽👽👽👽

[@WHITELIONNYC]

@@AlienRides FYI I suggest trademark your logo and channel name with USPTO because I can see some company come up with that name in the future. It will probably be in a different industry, but it will protect you for the KZbin and related internet stuff. If you need help with that just let me know. I'll show you my applications and official registration certificates, and let you know what to put step-by-step so you don't waste a ton of money paying an attorney and use it on protective gear instead.

[@AlienRides]

WHITE LION thanks for the advice, good idea about the trademark I’ll look into that!

[@SuperSynthguy]

Kevin is a model EUC fanatic, STAY WHEELING MY GUYS!

[@AlienRides]

Going to wheel for as long as I can! 👽🖖

[@curiouspeople6441]

Battery density improvement will increase range & power , imagine a 29lbs EUC that have 60 mile range . Will be possible in 3-5 years

[@AlienRides]

Yeah for sure, I can't wait for the technology to get there, going to make some crazy things possible. Hoping that solid state lithium is here soon.

[@TedPeterson]

@@AlienRides Technology is here, just not mass-produceable yet. I read the article months ago about the battery breakthru.

[@heyojayo8642]

Thanks for the video 👍 Beautifully shot and straight talk about the EUC warts and all. Appreciate the honest feedback and overall review. Hmmm the way gotway reused that chassis with swapped pedals scream cost cutting/cutting corners. Also the programming isn't all there. Like you said why can't they deliver a high torque high speed in one package? All it takes is an intelligent sensor to detect torque. If you on a hill it kicks into high torque. Flat ground it kicks into high speed. Thanks again and take care, stay safe 👍

[@AlienRides]

Thanks for stopping by. I love EUCs and want to see increased and polish for them, well for all PEVs 😁 I’m not sure if different torque vs speed modes would work, but that would be cool. Almost like gearing.

[@heyojayo8642]

@@AlienRides Tbh I always loved the look of EUC's. They look futuristic and unique, like if you saw someone riding by on a bicycle at 30mph+ you wouldn't do a dbl take but if someone sped by at 30mph+ on a EUC you definitely do a dbl take. As someone who tries to be green and does their daily/weekly shop with a bigass courier backpack by bike/scooter I'd like to ask how stable is it to ride an EUC with a backpack around 10-15kg? Sometimes even 20kg+?

[@AlienRides]

Heyo Jayo it’s not the easiest, but it’s doable. There’s some door dashers in the Bay Area and they carry the big orange box on their backs for food deliveries. Do you have one? You should definitely try one some day if not, they’re great.

[@heyojayo8642]

@@AlienRides Aight thanks 👍 I'll see if I can find a shop over here that will let me test one out. Peace!

[@d4ve587]

😎 Cool. Goes faster and further than my scooter definitely need a bash hat riding a wheel💪

[@AlienRides]

They’re fun for sure, it’s nice having different kinds of PEVs and definitely a good idea to gear up! 👽🖖

[@mr_wrongway]

Oooooooh nice !!!

[@AlienRides]

Not as fast as yours, but still fun 😁

[@camilogarciacastillo4451]

Hombre cada vez que veo los videos tuyos me haces sentir muy antojado de tus juguetes que bacano un abrazo desde colombia!

[@AlienRides]

PEVs are very fun to play with for sure! 👋🇨🇴

[@fazer12779]

Can you overpower either wheel on hard acceleration?

[@AlienRides]

We didn't test that, but I would think it's quite hard, possibly easier on the speed version. Got some EUC videos coming soon, so maybe we'll try testing that.

[@TedPeterson]

So I should get the speed version? Not the torque? I'll be coming from the Kingsong 18XL...

[@AlienRides]

Yeah, I would say get the speed version if you like speed, and who doesn’t like speed! 👽🖖

[@dan.t.hillary]

I'd be interested to see tests between the Nikola's acceleration and the high torque MSP's. I agree with your assessment that they feel very similar in acceleration, but have to disagree about them feeling different in braking. It's an electric motor after all, it can't be better at one and worse at the other. xD

[@AlienRides]

Hah, that is true about the the performance being similar for braking and acceleration. We should try to test these heads-up in the future.

[@TechnologyGeek862]

What's the difference between MSP and MSX Pro? Are they completely different wheels or are they just same wheel with different name? Looking at the specs of both they look identical to me. The high speed I get because it has different motor and bigger battery and maybe Nikola pedals.

[@AlienRides]

The MSP is the MSX pro I believe? The speed edition just uses a motor that has more speed and less torque.

[@chuyskywlk]

"Let's go cut out at 48pmh" lol

[@AlienRides]

Lol, luckily that did not happen, but it would've made for an interesting video though 😅

[@vincentkim2721]

Very good ^^*

[@AlienRides]

Thank you!

[@whileistillcan9338]

What's your thoughts on the 21700 cells rumoured to be scavenged from Tesla car batteries and not brand new?

[@AlienRides]

Whoa I actually haven't heard about that but I'm interesting in finding out more about it. It's a relatively new cell chemistry, so maybe I'd be fine with it as long as it's going to last me 5-7 years.

[@Sarajevomusic1]

Is the pedal issue not just because they have the magnet in the wrong place? Mine are fine

[@AlienRides]

Hmm not sure, that's how it came. Do you have the typical slanted MSX pedals, or the wider ACM pedals?

[@Sarajevomusic1]

I’ve got the Monster / Nikola pedals. But ordered them with the magnet relocated to work with MSX (as they come on the monster I believe).

[@jayeshpatel838]

Not really my thing but do like your vids so as always, will like and comment none-the-less - be safe yeah...

[@AlienRides]

Thanks for stopping by. We’ve got a few EUC videos coming up, but huge scooter videos later this year for sure. Ride safe 👊

[@timrodriguez1]

Finally, something that's not a scooter...lol

[@AlienRides]

Lol, wassup Tim. Prob going to try to do a fair amount of EUC content this year, so many cool models coming out. 👽🖖

[@PeeedaPan]

is talking about torque roughly the same as saying acceleration?

[@AlienRides]

Yes, essentially, how much power the motors have to turn at the lower end/while accelerating from zero. I'm sure there's a better way to explain it though. 👽🖖

[@yohvh]

Does riding an EUC require constant concentration or can you zone out like on an electric scooter

[@AlienRides]

You can definitely zone out once you become comfortable with it. I can’t really recommend it though, because that’s when accidents happen. And you’re most likely to get into an accident when zoned out I think. Ride safe 👊

[@addictedtowatts8756]

Surprised to see the MSP pedals being held up with magnets. I Haven't taken apart my HS MSP yet to see if I have magnets in the shell, but currently my pedals are just held up by friction, which is slightly annoying lol. Also, how is the dihedral angle on the pedals? Mine shipped at 20° which was too much for me. Shaved them down to 17° Nice video

[@WilliamRozear]

I think every gotway wheel for the last little bit now have used magnets to hold up the pedals. They're pretty strong though so they may feel like friction close pedals.

[@addictedtowatts8756]

@@WilliamRozear I know gotway has used them for a bit, but mine are legit held up by friction lol. However, it Might have been done at ewheels when they install the nikola pedals, since the magnet clearly doesn't do great with them.

[@WilliamRozear]

@@addictedtowatts8756 lmao that could be then if it's done by ewheels. Should still have the magnets in the shell in that case then.

[@AlienRides]

I don't have the exact angle of the pedals, but it is steep for sure. It kind of takes some getting used to and locks your leg in position. Nice that you shaved them to your liking.

[@addictedtowatts8756]

@@AlienRides yea, I had too! Was getting ankle pain big time. Used a phone app to compare to my monster which is at 12° and decided to shave it down a pinch. It also helped me get rid of some speed wobbles too. Thanks for the response!

[@VictorGonzalezDDS]

Great vid. I just got my MSP "speed" edition. And this is actually my very first euc wheel. I have no clue if its the speed or torque version. Does anyone know how to find this out without opening up the case? Also why do some MSPs only have the "rainbow" style light option and not the solid white in front and red in back. I've cycled through all the modes, and I have the rainbow edition. Meh

[@mpulido102]

Look at the rim next serial number .....motor code "C38" = 2500W torque variant. "C30" = 2000w Speed variant. This is how we found out we got the torque version. Info is from Ewheels email. Hope that helps. 🤙

[@AVC93]

Nice man.

[@AlienRides]

Wassup 👽🖖

[@AVC93]

@@AlienRides Wits up buddy. Let me know if you ever want to do a night ride soon in the Sunset and Richmond Districts

[@awheel7812]

Very interesting

[@AlienRides]

It’s a fun wheel for sure. 👽🖖

[@kenokrend4600]

so is it just the MSX motor in the MSP?

[@AlienRides]

I think that’s basically what it is for the speed edition, but I’m not entirely sure.

[@addictedtowatts8756]

"a supply of the MSPs with the earlier MSX 2000W motor; this has the same, or higher, max cruising speed as the 100V MSXs, approximately ~45MPH, which is about 10MPH faster than the standard high torque 2500W version." - qouted from an email from ewheels

[@kairyu7825]

So this is the MSX pro not Msuper pro right?

[@AlienRides]

It's the same thing, but people just call it different names. MSP, Msuper Pro, MSX Pro, MsuperX Pro, confusing but they're all the same.

[@buder5116]

i finaly have my motor i can start reassembly my scooter now :D

[@AlienRides]

Sweet, that first ride with it is going to feel so awesome. Good luck!

[@buder5116]

@@AlienRides :D

[@buder5116]

@@AlienRides ITS ALIVE

[@AlienRides]

buder5 send me some pics, maybe on IG if you use that?

[@buder5116]

@@AlienRides i use imgur mainly for album creating because i dont understand IG in a day or 2 i will update it and send you a link

[@alanhold2468]

Nice👍

[@AlienRides]

Thanks for stopping by. 👽🖖

[@alanhold2468]

Alien Rides Thanks for making such cool videos👊

[@budgillett]

link to the music used?

[@AlienRides]

I used several tracks by an artist called "Catiso". I use a service called epidemicsound for royalty free music for my videos, so I'm not sure if it's easy to find outside of that. www.epidemicsound.com/referral/s3a1bs/

[@RCDevotee]

Thanks for the video! I was on Duf's livestream last night and they were talking about the fires and crashes on this EUC. Gotway QC really has me concerned. I am still working on picking up an EUC sometime over the summer but still debating on what to do. I am a complete beginner so I am not sure it makes sense to pick-up one of the suspension EUCs before spending more time on a less powerful EUC. I was thinking getting an MTen3 to continue practicing and riding on and then getting a more powerful EUC. The unique size and performance of the MTen3 would make it something I would want to keep even after I transitioned to a more powerful EUC. I also love the fact you can just throw it in a backpack if needed for those ultra portable days. I used to work in Foster City on the Gilead Sciences campus. Gilead bought that area including the building from us in 2012. You can't miss the building as it was nicknamed the "Sandcrawler" because of how it looked and that distinctive angled side. That area was like a second home for 15 years before we moved to Fremont. I used to go that sand area you rode on (i.e. "Shells") with my off-road remote control buggies, truggies and monster trucks. I would hit those jumps and get some serious air. I can see it is still a popular location for the mountain bikers. I also did a speed run on the same street you guys were using to test my Traxxas XO-1 100MPH capability. I got it to 92MPH on that street. Oh...that modified Boosted Rev you showed on Facebook was awesome. It is crazy that smoked the Panther like that. It looks like only a Rion would have any chance of beating that thing off the line.

[@AlienRides]

Yeah, the fires are of a concern to me, but GotWay will figure it out I'm sure. Personally I love GotWay wheels, but this new Vetern wheel looks amazing as well. So many wheel choices in 2020, it's a good problem to have. The Mten3 is also a super fun wheel, I'm working on a video of that one right now. Cool that you used to go to shells, love seeing people out there having fun with RCs, bikes, drones, etc. Ride safe!

[@dmitryvorob6851]

Hm, msx 100v shows 95km/h when lifted, and the new "high speed" model only 77. Even Nikola+ 100V shows 85km/h. WTF?

[@AlienRides]

Oh sorry, in the next 10 seconds after that speed test we go on to say that we later realized that we were sent the wrong version 😆 Your numbers are about right.

[@dmitryvorob6851]

@@AlienRides Thank for the comment, I'm waiting for the wheel to be delivered within 2 weeks and I was really scared I'd get the slow version

[@AlienRides]

Dmitry Vorob do the lift test you will be able to tell right away. Enjoy it!!!

[@weeb121]

How much do they cost? 😄

[@AlienRides]

About $2k, definitely not cheap, but tons of fun.

[@weeb121]

@@AlienRides yeah where can you get them there pretty much all sold out huh?

[@AlienRides]

William R. Yeah, ewheels, my recommended seller is currently sold out, still though, pre-ordering is your best bet if you definitely want one.

[@weeb121]

@@AlienRides ok cool sounds good thank you

[@RSMethodology]

This is the AlienRides that I know... EUC all day. Throw those scooter videos away. Lol

[@AlienRides]

Hah, good seeing you Ray. Going to try to cover everything, but I'm sure there will be lots of EUC videos this year. So many awesome models coming out.

[@donitaforrest9064]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooo.......................!!!!!!!

[@AlienRides]

Donita Forrest we will do it all, don’t worry! 😅

[@mpulido102]

Bahahaha Ray.

[@RSMethodology]

Michael Pulido hahahaaha. I’m serious

[@mandycowey7635]

My 18xl kingsong is fast enough for me thanks

[@AlienRides]

King Song makes great wheels, I’m looking forward to trying their S18 soon.

[@ngoachoi]

Wow so the latest MSP has less torque and less top speed than the Nikola plus, and the trolley handle sucks! I guess it's a no brainer. Back to the Nikola plus 😅

[@AlienRides]

I think the speed edition will definitely have more speed over the nikola plus, but yeah - I'm not sure I really care for the torque version myself. Nikola plus is definitely a great wheel.

[@coolhawk2003]

No more options is always and good thing don't be saying other wise. More app options more pedal options and highs or option to have it urself like the new v12

[@AlienRides]

I am looking forward to testing out the v12 soon, should be a great wheel. 👽🖖

[@coolhawk2003]

@@AlienRides screw that something breaks you have to wait a year for a replacement. Them bears to forget it. It's wet where I live. Love the customization you can do in the app and the hard plastic. Rim is to crazy to, magnets on the in side. Sounds expensive.

[@mandycowey7635]

Talk about a pit stop lol

[@masterblasterofdisaster]

So many compromises with the msp. Pedal shape, pedal angle, stuck pedals, blinding headlamps, build quality, exposed speakers... i’ll wait for the next revision.

[@AlienRides]

That’s fair. I think a lot of these may be taste though, like the pedal angle. I would like to see more polish for sure though.