All 4 New Level 10 Guns Tested! - 120 Round Hellriegel Defensive | Battlefield 1

[@bigoz1734]

300 Hellriegel kills, 25 mine kills "easily doable within a day" What in tarnation

[@lazytanks4035]

Harrison Well, if you no-life the hell out of the weapon and and place your mines carefully, you could do it within a day

[@lazytanks4035]

HearThemPray true

[@looooooooot432]

Harrison i mean there's 24 hours in a day...........:P

[@paulsonSTEALTH]

harrison you dont have a to be a no-life to get 300 kills in a day and 25 mine kills. Its easy if you are a good player.

[@xjamesss2129]

Harrison 3 hours

[@invictusangelica]

The Huot: have a foregrip, still hold the gun by its magazine

[@evanbinder6284]

Lâm Cao Vũ Was it just me or was the bipod removed for that optical huot version? If so, wow that gun is gonna suck hard ass.

[@bankhanger2]

Evan Binder optical variants don't have bipods

[@krblack4009]

Yeah I noticed it too...so annoying

[@evanbinder6284]

Belgae I figured lol then why give an smg, an optical site, bipod and double ammo? Seems to go against their own logic regarding optical machine guns, Im just so confused at this variant seems miles better than the other ones they are adding.

[@bankhanger2]

Evan Binder Well because it's an smg it won't be as accurate undersustained fire like lmg's, having an optic doesn't mean much tho. The supppressive variants of the lmg's have scopes but no accuracy bonus. It's probably a bigger change in variant over the others but in no way as OP as the automatico currently is :p

[@seanmoreau1471]

DICE - we want to encourage the use of the support class - let's give assault an lmg and call it a day.

[@seanmoreau1471]

cracktober MG32? I think u mean the mg.15. Those were all good guns, but when an assault or even a medic who knew what they were doing, could easily rush supports and dominate them up close.

[@ichigo9919]

*MG15 ;)

[@seanmoreau1471]

Spash 1098 Not anymore.

[@seanmoreau1471]

Spash 1098 Of I'm not stupid, when the game first released a lot of the lmgs didn't do as much damage as they did now. I don't want to keep going back and forth about this anymore.

[@Unreelme]

The damages have mainly not changes, just the accuracy. The Autoloading 8 will out dps the bar at close range.

[@ThijsVanDalen]

yeah a more OP version of the hellriegel, we need it ofcourse

[@ThijsVanDalen]

hahaha kid? what an argument you have there. sounds more like it's your fav gun to be honest

[@awt1989]

hence why we call it OP; anyone can use it and its easy.. its best gun in game by far for close to mids

[@Amsterdammerboi]

Do you understand what OP means Dave?

[@Kyle-xn9qb]

+DAVEBAWZ That's what OP means, the gun being too powerful so it is too easy to use.

[@xtremea3165]

Thijs Van Dalen everything in battlefield is op every Gun you use you can play better with

[@richitang1.2gaga58]

great DICE give the hellriegel 120 rounds to make the lmgs useless with their 20 rounds

[@FinnishUncleSam]

Richi Tang 1.2 There is a MG15 supressive though...

[@Daemeon93]

It's messed up when the Hellriegel has more bullets than any of the other LMGs besides the MG15 Suppressive

[@richitang1.2gaga58]

Daemeon 93 that's my point

[@richitang1.2gaga58]

Detective John Kimble but 120 rounds for an submachine gun that's just stupid

[@richitang1.2gaga58]

Åland Mapping/Gaming but not balanced free shit

[@VictorL141]

Meanwhile, at DICE HQ "Ok dev team, how can we make the game even more annoying for players" "..." "Lets make an LMG version of the Hellriegel!" "GIVE THAT MAN A RAISE."

[@bill5197]

Tango Lima AT rockets

[@Damianskii]

vik_psn xD

[@VictorL141]

While they're at it, make an automatic version of the Tank Hunter rifle too.

[@andrewcarpinella1217]

Tango Lima yep, it's gonna make the ribeyrolles useless

[@VictorL141]

I swear DICE is trolling us. I have some ideas for future updates from DICE: -10 round mag Tank Hunter Rifle that can fire on full auto like the 1907 Sweeper -Heavy Tank that has a main gun on all sides of the tank, not just the front -Semi Auto AT rocket gun like the grenade launcher from BF4 with the 6 grenades -Model 10A Hunter that can fire on full auto like the AA12 shotgun -10 Anti-Tank grenades per Assault with auto-replenish -Dual Wield Automaticos The options really are endless. I dont even know if i should buy the season pass if im just gonna get wasted by idiots with 160 round drum mag hellriegels (I refuse to use the hellriegel, i only play bolt actions or the LMG's)

[@GGMatt]

So it's just a Hellriegel, but with twice the ammo capacity, an optic sight and a bipod... Sorry, am I missing something..? Why the fuck would I ever want to use the Factory version over this?

[@edizcabbar3260]

Factory version is better at close range. Defesive version has more recoil and less accurate and hip fire accuracy is also worse.

[@harryashby3170]

Matt I WBA the factory version does more damage

[@sinterklaasenzwartepiet4267]

yeah, only the 240 bullets in total compaired to 120 is worth it....

[@P1ksi]

well you need to use the factory first to unlock the new variant 🙄

[@bumboclat]

No the damage will be the same. Same gun and bullet? Dice keeps attention to this (at least a little). The original Hellriegel prototype had I think 160 rounds in the mag. So it makes sense to use it like intended by its inventor.

[@MrGovenator1]

So let me get this straight..... Dice throws a optic, bi-pod and a 120 round mag on the Hellriegel, but then decides the other 3 are just fine with 1 small change? Thanks Bungie.....................

[@user-pt3rj6dx3k]

MrGovenator1 wtf u on about the people that made this game are part of activision!

[@MrGovenator1]

Wait..... I thought they were BioWare?

[@user-pt3rj6dx3k]

MrGovenator1 woops i meant mojang studios

[@CrewofBigW]

Goddamn it all. It's Rovio

[@10rio]

MrGovenator1 no it's valve duh

[@sinterklaasenzwartepiet4267]

so the huot gets an optic, but the helrigel gets an optic, double ammo and a twice as big magazine?? LOL nice balance

[@bumboclat]

until the overheat it's worse than the factory hellriegel.

[@kennethlacroix889]

bumboclat but the huot has less ammo then the hell Riegels overheat

[@noahkarmann3994]

Sinterklaas En Zwarte Piet Yea bumping more ammo to the huot would've been a nice touch especially since there were only like 6 of them ever made so it's not like it's trouncing on historical data

[@Unreelme]

Yea all the support guns are pretty bad except for the BAR and Chauchat. They just havent been able to balance that class. It is the mortar class with one good gun.

[@kennethlacroix889]

the support class weapons have a very specific range and the good guns for that class are really just shorter range guns. the other guns like the mg15, Lewis gun etc have a lot more ammo and their thing is that with a bipod you can shoot long range and most people forget that while using that gun their enemies bullets get knocked off with suppression effects and therefore you can win fights at enemies at almost any range. it's the lack of a good cqc machine gun that can fire fast, high damage, terrible recoil and a big clip. that would make it ideal for most people's liking. the way I see it, why not have the defensive variant for support?

[@RoyTheRanger]

A player with a heavy SMG that holds 120 rounds. Equipped with 1 frag, 3 anti tank grenades and a rocket gun. Yay...

[@TheZombieReporter]

Roy Spotts You have to be accurate with the at gun, splash isn't enough to kill a full health player. P sure at grenades explode slower than normal grenades.

[@samfury7616]

"120 shot hellriegel" translation: 60GB more free space on my hard drive.

[@captainbeefheart6744]

Auto Grenade resupply was my final straw.

[@EmmaTheShark]

If that's enough to make you leave, go ahead. You can't have been a good player anyway, you certainly wasn't wanted. The gun has obvious downsides.

[@samfury7616]

Joel Andersson > good player > anybody who genuinely enjoys BF1 pick one

[@captainbeefheart6744]

Haha you're not a good player statement always comes up when someone says anything bad about a game always. How do people think this?

[@samfury7616]

In all fairness though I'm only decent at the game. K/D is only a 2.65 overall and SPM is 1,232. Rank 89.

[@EliminatorPerformance]

Next they'll be giving us a BAR with a 50 round drum mag 😂😂😂

[@lerroyjenkins4953]

Eliminator Performance would love it so much

[@imhulki463]

Myin Branick omg me too

[@maxwell8727]

Eliminator Performance I fucking hate the Bar

[@megu2272]

because the hellriegle wasn't cancerous enough

[@VdeoGamer456]

It really isn't. I dont see it a lot during games.

[@Cthulhu151]

Monstrology I've been killed by it in every match I've played...

[@kaisercollins3097]

Every time I die its to that fucking Hellriegel! EVERY FUCKING TIME!

[@megu2272]

+Monstrology I play on console and I swear that 80% of the player base is a hellriegle tryhard who has 56 service stars with it

[@kaisercollins3097]

Pc it's just as overused

[@freakkiller89]

I like how they give assault a better lmg than anything support has

[@Stonemask5]

Not really, no. It's an smg on par with the other ones just with a big mag. If you use the lmgs at the intended range they could beat the hellreigel, hands down.

[@Abandonsoyciety]

Nice! lmgs at intended range so high caliber fast shooting guns have an intended range lol he lewis gun fired at 500-600 rpm and shot bullets that sniper rifles of ww1 used so to clarify the 480 rpm in game is unrealistic especially for a common gun and the damage profile is unrealistic also at its range in game is gets outgunned by most medic guns and sidearms ergo it has no range its good at and this goes for every mg but the bar and chauchat

[@_Maroi]

You thought 64 rounds and pretty good controls weren't good enough? Well now you can have double the mag capacity, better zoom, and none existent recoil if you're laying down of just happen to be holding the rifle over something. Have fun!

[@_Maroi]

"We know exactly what the majority of the fans want!" - E.A.

[@ichigo9919]

"Sorry for giving free shit" - DICE

[@_Maroi]

"Sorry this is the only free thing we're giving you."* corrected that for ya. ;)

[@ichigo9919]

Do you not remember Giant's Shadow?

[@julmdama4848]

projectcalamity oh sorry what already payed 80 dollars for the game pfffft give us more

[@MetalMeLike]

'I'll start with my favorite' *the smg super-awesome prototype bullet hose Da fuq are they smoking at EA , its WW- fuckin 1 !

[@tyshaffer8253]

MetalMeLike this thing want even a prototype. there was only one hellreigal known to exist

[@Tarzan118]

MetalMeLike Ye, and this prototype was made in WW-fuckin-1

[@TacticoolPenguin]

Åland Mapping/Gaming except we all bought the game... 4 new weapons...Ooooooo. They are not even trying to balance the game anymore and fixing what ain't broken.

[@TheZombieReporter]

It existed and was a prototype, WW1 was the war that introduced modern war and the tech used in it. Their were not many weapons they could use that were common so they had to use prototypes and such

[@ElZilchoYo]

SPRINGFIELD 1903 INFANTRY NEEDED CARCANO RIFLE NEEDED

[@rowanbetts5584]

*Facepalm* the M1903 is a Springfield you knob

[@ElZilchoYo]

Whats your point?

[@rowanbetts5584]

The M1903 is already in the game, but you were saying that it was needed

[@ElZilchoYo]

The infantry version isn't available outside of SIR mode.

[@PotatoEternal]

Maybe even the Turkish Mauser

[@jordansunderman5348]

the 1906 iron sights are good

[@TheComedyButchers]

Oh! You think the hellriegel is OP? Just wait till they add the Fedorov Avtomat. This real gun weighed as much as an SMLE, fired a full sized rifle cartridge at 400RPM, with more ammo than the BAR.

[@danielantony1882]

A True Slav wasn't it 500 rpm?

[@GremlinSciences]

If it fired a full sized rifle cartridge then it's technically a LMG, and is going to receive LMG treatment (lower damage than the round might suggest [ie 23-16], recoil like you might expect from the round [when fired by an untrained user] ridiculous spread pattern, and only 1 or 2 mags in reserve. Basically it's going to be to the MG15 what the ribeyrolles is to the MP18.

[@clintonwalker2443]

catboy357 Eh, full-sized rifle cartridge BUT said rifle cartridge is the Arisaka 6.5mmx50, a notably underpowered Japanese round in comparison to the 8mm rounds used by the MG15 n.A., Chauchat, Benet-Mercie, and basically every other LMG. In practical terms, the round the Fedorov Avtomat fires is more comparable to an intermediate cartridge in power than the rounds used by other LMGs, even if the Avtomat was employed in a role similar to that of squad LMG during field testing.

[@GremlinSciences]

Even so, it fires a rifle cartridge, is of full rifle length, and was introduced into service as a "handheld light-machine-gun; it is an LMG. I doubt we'll ever get to see it though, it looks about as similar to the Selbstlader 1917 as the Carcano does to the M.95 (the Carcano being left out of the game because of this similarity)

[@clintonwalker2443]

catboy357 On the other hand, the Ribeyrolle already in-game was also intended to be used in a manner akin to squad LMG despite sharing many characteristics with modern day assault rifles. Given the similarities between the Fedorov Avtomat and the Ribeyrolles, I expect it to go to the assault class. And functionally speaking, the 6.5mm Arisaka is an intermediate round, sitting between modern 5x56 and 7.62 ammunition in power, even if it is a full-sized rifle round by design. It being introduced in the LMG role in real life is no real knock against it going to assault as we've already seen and because the concept of assault rifle didn't really exist in any meaningful sense at the time and other predecessors to the assault rifle were doctrinally treated like LMGs. Even the AS-44 of WW2, an immediate predecessor to the AK-47, was treated and used as a squad support weapon complete with a standard-issue bipod.

[@yas4702]

I bet that in the new season of bff, neebs is gonna try to spam mg15 but get pissed when it overheats

[@bft_neelix3862]

*insert machine gun firing sound effect they make when they shoot their guns* I don't even know what letters to use to type it out, you know what I'm talking about though.

[@masonjanik7314]

BFT_Neelix datdatdatdatdatdatfatdatblopblopblopblopblop idk lmao

[@seanmoreau1471]

BFT_Neelix gratatatatatatatatatata

[@LumosX]

dakka dakka dakka

[@therebel1375]

Yasin Ghani I know i do!

[@lordprettyflackoskillz3575]

Oh yeah, lets make the hellriegel more op

[@xtremea3165]

Lord Pretty Flacko Skillz there is alot of Guns which are op to Lool this game is a unbalanced WW1 piece if shit game... That's Why i Enjoy the game its shit and good at the same time

[@ryanheinrick4955]

Lord Pretty Flacko Skillz hardcore is the way to play any battlefield. one shot kill with all bolt rifles balances this game more. most people play scout aggressively and it feels more authentic.

[@DeosPraetorian]

Lord Pretty Flacko Skillz fucj hardcore

[@puffoley24]

Dice, please, forget this grenade thing, go back where it was and bring us charactere customisation to help us deal with grenades... Bringing guns that we already have with an optic is not enough

[@fredmichaud8226]

i guess not enough noobs were using the no skill is needed hellriegel....they fucking doubled the mag capacity.....you gotta be fucking kidding me right now!

[@evanbinder6284]

Fred Michaud and a bloody bipod!!!! Like there isnt enough players laying down in buildings and near the objective. Plus nice one on level saying it brings the mag capacity up to lmg status yet only 1 lmg in the game has a bigger mag, thought he was better than that.

[@ZerrZach]

that one mg is really good in fact I think its better then the rank 10 support gun(the mg supreesive version)

[@evanbinder6284]

zachary scadura I agree that the mg 15 suppressive is a good gun, too stationery for my playstyle but all im saying is doubling the ammo capacity of an smg that already has the third highest capacity in the game is dumb, plus they add a bipod and a scope while the others get one benefit? Even thats debatable since optical lmgs are complete trash imo. I hope this gets sorted out because as I see it there is no incentive to go through the effort of unlocking these guns outside of the new HR.

[@zephirussalinas8769]

Fred Michaud coulda been worse, the automatico could've gotten a 50 round mag xD

[@Stonemask5]

What good is all that ammo if your time to kill is outclassed? That's why the selbstlader 1916 is trash.

[@ggwwggwwggwwggww]

martini sniper is something no one really asked for. what would be nice to see is a carbine version of the martini henry or a marksman verion.

[@fireguy308]

Oh great the next "god" gun, while other guns got nerfed, that needed buffed (1903 Experimental fire rate comes to mind). A Hellriegel with 120 rds, bi-pod, optical sights, and 650 rpm. As the Hellriegel is already OP, that out damages every LMG via a faster fire rate, and its 9x23mm Steyr round (slightly more powerful than the 9x19mm handgun round) "magically" does equal damage (23) to the BAR's .30-06 round (7.62x63mm), while having BETTER recoil stats. Thanks DICE!!!

[@fireguy308]

Also why the hell would DICE do a Sniper higher magnification variant of the Martini Henry rather than a Marksman lower magnification variant? The Martini Henry is a single shot, blackpowder cartridge, breech-loading, rifle, firing a big bore, heavy bullet, at relatively slower velocities (410-440 m/s) than its smokeless powder cartridge rivals.

[@zacharyjones438]

Dana L The damage is lower

[@fireguy308]

See, this is the kind of stuff that I despise that DICE does, they lower and raise damage models without regard to the caliber the weapons are actually firing. If BOTH Hellriegel's fire the same round, have the same barrel length, and etc, each round should do the same damage. Still DICE should up the damage of the LMG's since they all fired powerful rifle rounds, instead of them doing the same damage as 9mm SMG's, and they need to put the fire-rate of the 1903 Exp back to at least 450 again, with the new 26.5 damage model that is slightly greater than 9mm SMG's (which is realistic). Someone with the 1903 Exp can finally have a fighting chance again with the spam fire, given that even then ALL other weapons out damage it at practically every range via higher full auto fire rate, range, or damage model. DICE freaking nerfed the 1903 Exp down to the fire rate of the Chauchat, while it does ever so slightly greater damage than 9mm SMG's that fire 550-650-900 rpm within 14m.

[@NotSoMelancholy]

I love how the Huot gets a foregrip yet your character still holds it by the drum

[@BloodRedOtter]

Support class has gone down hill since the BETA and if dice keep going the class is going to be useless. WW1 saw the wide scale use of the LMG to lock down and defend an area and yet they are crap at range, because they need 5 shots to kill and EVERY OTHER CLASS HAS DECENT RANGED OPTIONS, and up close (excepting the bar(tiny mag still gets destroyed by smgs) and the chauchat(small mag, low rof, stupidly high recoil)). I get that if the lmgs were realistic they'd be stupidly OP but the support class has gotten the short end of the stick every patch...

[@sidkapoor9085]

ChaiFox and yet I see support every fuckin where wrecking my ass

[@facundopasini]

The Huot Automatic Optical was already a weapon in the campaign. On the first War Story, where you play as Edwards, the driver.

[@KenpachiBeast]

If you play on PS4 --- go to Options --> Accessibility --> Button layouts --> switch the R2-L2 button to R1-L1 buttons = congrats you can now shoot faster with the proper top L1-R1 buttons in Battlefield 1 :) Have fun.

[@ghostscott4677]

Holy shit... thank you. M1903 experimental is now my favorite.

[@soul2squeezy439]

KenpachiBeast thanks

[@KenpachiBeast]

Welcome... also fast shooting pistols become op when you do this... try the frommer stop pistol when you do this... and other pistols with fast rate of fire '450'

[@KenpachiBeast]

How was it a worst aspect? The upper buttons are the proper buttons and are easier for your hands... its been like that for all shooter games previously. I don't mind using the bottom buttons, but their position for shooting kills your hand muscles :( My father plays too and he has arthritis in his hands... he was so glad that i found how to switch the controls ... not to mention you can shoot faster and properly with your main finger of your hand.

[@isuckatgaming7225]

thanks man, it's a bit hard to get use to it.. but it's help me a lot, i die a bit less

[@Unreelme]

Viable weapons. In terms of TTK at certain ranges Assault: Automatico-shotguns-close hellriegel-close to mid Ribey-mid to long but loses to hellriegel at lot of the time. Medic: Mondragon-long (5 shot SLR's prove ineffective at playing on the objective. downtime/reloading etc.) RSC-mid Autoloading 8 ext-close to mid (headshots at further ranges) Support: BAR-mid Chauchat-close to mid. slow TTK at long esp compared to BAR Snipers: They all have good balance between each other. I think the LEBEL needs a marksmen (4X) scope to be viable.

[@overthinker4553]

They should make Martini-Henry Carbine , its not a long range sniper

[@MrSquigglies]

martini carbine would have been better

[@ichigo9919]

But it only holds 1 bullet. making it useless as a carbine

[@MrSquigglies]

Owen Keidel how so? it doesn't change anything except the optics and hipfire. martini sniper variant is supremely useless as stated in the video neither it's muzzle velocity nor it's damage model supports long range play. it clearly is intended for close-mid ranges, ideal for a carbine variant.

[@ichigo9919]

I always thought they increased RoF by a little bit, my mistake. I much prefer the sniper variant tbh

[@MrSquigglies]

Owen Keidel is there gone the way they did with the Russian 1867 and made a trench variant that would be interesting but I could only imagine the janky animation that would play after every shot

[@MrSquigglies]

Owen Keidel also if anything a marksman variant would have been more practical you don't get the scope Glen and you have better standing accuracy

[@jamiek5131]

As if the hellreigel wasn't op enough.....let's just add 120 round mag.........

[@FinnishUncleSam]

Random guy Hellriegel was never OP. Every weapon has their ups and downs. I liked the hellriegel at first but then I realized that automatico is 10 times better once you learn to control it.

[@freakkiller89]

Thats the thing about the Hellriegel though. Any scrublord with 15 hours in the game can pick it up and do reasonably well with it. It takes no skill. Sure other guns might be better than it in some situations, but they take skill to use, or have major downsides. The Hellriegel is just so easy to use and has no major downsides.

[@FinnishUncleSam]

megusta505 But does it mean that it's op though? Since so many are saying that it is

[@ToRcKHD]

The other weapons are total trash compared to hellriegel, automatico is good close range but hellriegel is good even up to long range, hell i can outperform some lmgs with it at long range, its op and easy to use, with no other capable weapons because lets face it there are 5 weapons in each class. The m16 was op but there were other 20 capable great weapons that could beat it if played right, you never beating anyone mid range with a automatico, and the hellriegel sure as hell beats the mp18.

[@sbow2892]

ToRcKHD Hellriegel is trash if we are comparing it to other assault SMG's. For example MP18 is far superior option: MP18 has amazing hipfire, less side to side recoil and superior accuracy over Hellriegel. Only upsides Hellriegel has are little bit faster TTK in super CQ, less vertical recoil which can be countered by the user and a big mag which is kinda useless since the gun overheats. Hellriegel is just easy to use gun for noobs.

[@matapros69]

huot automatic "hey i got a vertical grip, but i prefer hold the magazine"

[@danconti5984]

Felesmiki ESP real men don't use vertical grips they hold the mags for extra tacticalification

[@edenghxst3705]

Daniel Conti how to be "tacticool"

[@IANC4EVER]

I honestly think that DICE employees are sabotaging/actively destroying, the BF franchise as a protest against EA involvement, by doing sh*t like this. A 120 clip full auto WW1 gun??? Just one insanely OP weapon after the other, BF has become more and more dis-attached from what BF1 and BF2 were all about and made them GREAT.

[@BlackGenesis762]

OliverTittyTwist I agree. This is why I can't do anything but laugh at multiplayer games nowadays lol.

[@clintonwalker2443]

OliverTittyTwist Best part? 120-rounds is the historical capacity of the Hellriegel's drum magazine, based off the photos of it showing a loaded magazine with one side removed. It was, after all, likely intended as a weapon for aerial gunners early in the war in the same vein as the Villar-Perosa.

[@derektran9404]

Well the thing is DICE is already crapping on WW1 by having more prototypes than any CoD game, and having a mag that's stupid and just as rare really shows how this isn't really a WW1 game at all.

[@patrickazzarella6729]

Levelcap's catchphrase: Remove grenades because I won't be happy till they're useless haahhaahahhag also yum I love ammo 2.0 and auto ressupply

[@goingindieEN]

Have you seen how bad the grenade spam is in this game? I can't remember the last game that wasn't filled with green queef gas for miles. This was never a problem in past battlefield games, so I don't know how DICE fucked up with bf1.

[@RJrockstars]

Patrick Azzarella The reason grenade spam is an issue is because of how fast you throw it. It's almost instantaneous. Change the animation to Bf4's slower, more realistic throwing, and grenade spam would be far less visible.

[@Tarzan118]

That's a long catchphrase

[@taylorgalloway2579]

Who else stops that microwave at one second before that stupid annoying noise goes off

[@thefalsh]

me

[@rowanbetts5584]

Taylor Galloway Especially at night

[@jacobsander436]

Taylor Galloway when I make a hot pocket at 3 am

[@mammoth4349]

Taylor Galloway as Draymond says "NOPE!"

[@MindLostForeverXx]

not me... EVERYONE MUST KNOW I AM COOKING SOMETHING AT 3AM! Mwahahahah- *chokes on laugh halfway through*

[@michaelbowers8125]

Level cap I've been watching u since your airsoft in days and I've always loved u and ur vids keep up the good work bro👍👍👍👍

[@TheRageLivesOn]

As if the Hellrigel didn't kill me enough

[@notjoe7580]

TheRageLivesOn I

[@georgetrujillo1999]

JewishNaziKamikaze those are rookie numbers

[@Caparco71]

I love how super powerful guns like the Martini and the mars trade off their power for some terrible recoil and many other trade offs, makes for dicey interesting Gameplay receiving and giving, excited to get myself back in the game soon

[@robertmcallen9250]

whelp, I could kinda handle the normal hellriegel despite how frequently people use it, but I dont think I can handle this, double the capacity!!? Optics?!??A bipod?!?!

[@SniperWalrus]

The Heil mod is just a better version of the base. So GJ Dice. The Martini mod now gives Scout a Heil of their own. Pretty much no reason for most average snipers to use a different wep. The Huot mod makes that weapon more useable. Still just another of the lmg assault rifles. The Selb makes that weapon usable, finally. You can now engage at ranges where your lack of ammo isn't a death sentence.

[@73THUNDERDOME73]

The didn't even give a larger magazine for the Huot.. fuck my ass. Fuck this game lol. Glad y'all love it.. fat girls need hugs too.

[@really2cool600]

Ryan James ?

[@chizthebomb]

I'm just happy that the Martini Henry is getting an optical variant. Those 300 kills are gonna be brutal tho.

[@dillonc7955]

25 kills with mines and 300 Hellreigel kills easily doable in a day? Maybe if you're addicted to this game and you have no social life whatsoever.

[@IgorUsePro1347]

Rather doable, if dont ever ever *ever* switch class in a day that you have to grind.

[@dillonc7955]

IgorUsePro卐 Especially in this game, switching classes happens a lot for me. I can't use the same class with the same gun grinding 300 kills, even if it took all of spring break, I would still get bored.

[@dillonc7955]

PousiniTM Gaming My shit bucket is already filled to the top. I'm rank 128 in Battlefield 4 and rank 150 in Hardline. xD

[@dillonc7955]

*****​ 300 kills with one weapon isn't something the average person can do within a weekend, sometimes even a month too. I just gave up on the assignments because I'm one of those people who cannot stand using the same gun over 5 games in a row; even if that gun is the Sebstlader M1916 (my favorite gun)

[@MrKingarce23]

0:40 💀 yes we're all thinking that 60 rounds aren't enough for an OP smg, we definitely needed twice the ammo and accuracy

[@Ori_fr]

Everytime you talk about the Selbstlader I don't get it at First, lmao. It's not Substilada it's More like Salbstlawder or Selbstlawder

[@bumboclat]

The best ever misspell I read was "Sebastier". Sounds like a old french name. Selbst-la-der... foreign speakers tend to do the syllables wrong

[@LocoForChoco123]

I just call it the Stepladder lmao

[@Humbleboy131]

Ori I just say 'Sablaster'

[@G204U2NV]

LevelCapGaming Great video, nice to see all the info/camo's for each variation. Keep it up sir!🤙

[@bubaloow123]

By "easily doable in a day" do you mean a normal day for someone that has a job/school and other responsibilities after them so they play the game in their spare time. Or within 24 hours of playing because they have no life and/or making BF video's is their job.

[@spartan11payne]

bubaloow123 maybe you just suck

[@bubaloow123]

Please post a video of you doing all of that in the space of 2-4 hours, roughly the amount of time anybody with an actual life has to play games. Then you can speak shit.

[@ianz5704]

for the console players; The huot optical can be found in the campaign, the one when you lead black bess through the forest. its in one of the crates.

[@Tallmedicbro]

Congrats dice sweden. Putting in work with the same damn guns, ADD NEW GUNS NOT THE SAME REHASHED GUNS

[@ottovonbismarck7094]

give the hellriegel 120 mag, I'm fine with...... Give it a optical sight and a no-more-recoil bipod and then you have problems

[@MegaRaja54321]

why did I buy this game. should have just bought the rainbow six siege season pass. Not that I need it cause the DLC is FREE but rather at least I would be supporting devs that actually give a fuck about their game.

[@IgorUsePro1347]

Id no kidding better by csgo... for fucks sake, DICE

[@really2cool600]

RajatheBeast i have both 😅

[@chiragmathias771]

RajatheBeast yeah I feel u I need that year 2 pass

[@jayrambo1855]

I'll continue to snipe to piss people off. Awesome work Dice, I truly see how hard u worked at this.

[@matteopesci4058]

The Hellreigel needs to be nerfed not a new variant, wtf dice

[@TheLastOfUsFan]

Matteo Pesci it was nerfed into the ground recently. It's a short range weapon with a 650 fire rate so it's going to lose against the smg with the 900 firerate in cqc it can't really hit medium ranges anymore because of all the nerfs and the mp-18 experimental or the new assault rifle with a bipod will beat it at all mid ranges so honestly the only thing it's good at now is if you flank your enemies. So the hell regiel needs a fucking buff IMO

[@really2cool600]

Matteo Pesci I know

[@reigeljames5776]

*in Dice headquarters* Hey guys, you know that automatic weapon that everyone uses and is way too overpowered, has too much ammo, is too accurate, people camp with, and takes no skill to use? Let's make it even more powerful, even more accurate, give it more ammo, and a bipod. "Well what are the drawbacks to make it balanced?" There are none! "Steve, you're a genius."

[@RaccoonLex]

i hate the optical sights.. i want iron sights on every weapon

[@hinds90]

Kari Närhi I like it on the scout weapons mainly smle carbine

[@RaccoonLex]

? if i want to use iron sights it is so fucking simple that i use the fucking IRON SIGHTS.. why i would use weapon without them, if i want to use them? your comment is not making any sense.

[@annmarie6198]

Levelcap is what my some define him as a, "game nerd." But to us, he is a god.

[@lavarbaii881]

Lol what if they add a automatico with a drummag

[@swag31556]

my favorite part of this kind of gameplay is the people fighting weather or weather not its the real levelcapgamming lol

[@SingularityVenus]

Dice. That is enough. Fucking stop with the heilregel. Its the most aids gun.

[@xboxhomie4]

I love how the HUOT Optical has a foregrip but he still holds it by the drum mag.

[@KOEKIELC]

Normal Hellriegel needs an extra mag :/

[@dummyaccount5033]

CCKooKie that would actually be a great way to balance out the two hellriegels

[@joshyposhy727]

CCKooKie It got one

[@KOEKIELC]

Yeah new patch is pretty good!

[@billycringe3550]

All level 10 guns (other than the hellriegel) need a small or big buff. The level 10 medic gun could easily be fixed with a 10 round mag

[@xraptor277]

Yea DICE we need more Bipods to fuck this already fucked up game .

[@AustinCooper.]

What are the Orange numbers in the middle of the screen it looks kinda anoying will it be fixed in the next patch?

[@GhostCT-ih7ck]

We thought the Hellriegel was op so DICE gave us an even more op variant of it. They even broke the balance with the Martini Henry: the whole balance of the rifle were the 1 shot magazine and the lack of a scope. Now it's all gone.

[@dsmandras]

If you look at Levelcap's footage for the Huot Optical, notice how the guy doesn't use the grip on the gun

[@mvpjordan7584]

Wait so what if you already got for example 300 hellriegel kills and 25 AT mine kills?Does it stay?

[@DontRightlyCare]

Hella excited for the Hellriegal varient. Running an LMG (ish) assault will be sweet-as.

[@paulfinlinson4436]

Hey LevelCap, love your videos man 👍

[@levigriffin4314]

Is this going to be free for non premium players or do we need premium for the variants

[@levigriffin4314]

Never mind I didn't watch the whole vid when I commented, I'm glad it's free.

[@UVAmatsuo]

What is Ammo 2.0 and do your opinions of the weapons still stand now that they have dropped to the public?

[@FrankOcean--]

Reasons to buff the 1906: Now that there is the rsc that kills you in 2-3 shots, why would someone use it? If they buff it and make it a 2 shot kill, you could have one that has 5 bullets but shoots faster, and one that has 6 bullets but shoots slower and with more recoil. That's all I wanted to say

[@aaronwalker2604]

Good Support gameplay at the first 3 minutes of the video, glad to see DICE is buffing the class.

[@ThePackman627]

Well people asked for a scoped Martini and they got it. The Huot Optical looks nice, the 1906 still needs either an ammo increase or a damage increase and the Hielriegal is now just awesome and I don't need to use the Ribeyrolles because now the Hielriegal has a bipod.

[@Gorgando829]

Will the new weapons be available for those who don't have the they shall not pass dlc?

[@jrk1666]

instead of new weapons for no more variants of level 10 weapons? For example the martini could win an optical version with requirements: 600 kills with the russian 1895 trench 50 blind flare guns kills To huot a telescopic version with 600 kills with lewis gun opitica 50 kills with the limpet charge The Selbstlader m1906 with a mag of 10 ronds and an optical sight 600 kills with factory autoloading 8.35 50 kills with auto revolver and Hellriegel one telescopic sights but rof 525 (rate of fire) with 75 ronds WITHOUT SUPER HEAT 600 KILLS WITH EXPERIMENTAL MP18 50 kills with dynamite

[@spethmanjones2997]

So the Hellriegel is practically the pre-nerf AWS from BF4 now, just with one less drum on the mag. How wonderful.

[@winklemeterfriends9734]

For people complaining about how op it seems to be, it's not. The factory is way better for the assault class. Defensive version has crazy recoil and should be used as if you were playing as a support

[@bananiaman3162]

How is the new Hellriegel not OP? It's basically twice as good as the normal one, if not better. Is there any reason to still use the old one?

[@davejustoproductions]

They should make a new class and tool that allows you to take parts from other guns. Similar to the repair tool, where it uses a slot in your kit, and you can spend a repair time length to mod your gun in game like how they would build their own clubs in the trenches.

[@brettboaz9051]

love how dice says they don't want one class to dominate, but then they give arguably the best gun in the game 120 rounds

[@mariafung9506]

Would you still have to do the challenges even if you unlocked the level 10 weapons through the shortcut kits?

[@AKNativ]

1:19 "you probably ron't won't run into the overheating issue" LOL

[@KGBzelov]

I think the 120 round smg may be my new fav assault class weapon just cuz you have so much more ammo so you won't run out as fast.

[@sublime929]

@ 2:42 imaveragesniper doing work lol, then @ 5:26 taking a Martini round to the back while running away.

[@JustAwesome360]

Great, hellriegel gets a buff, when it needed a nerf. What is this overwatch? Is the hellriegel bf1's bastion?

[@dubravkomisic869]

the Selbslader 1906 is soo good.. I just fell in love with it. It really needs some skill to use it. And i think that DICE needs to "promote" Medic class a bit. I dont know how but someway... It needs a buff.

[@logans.5585]

Dubravko Misic So far the medic class is the most overpowered class in the game. Yeah the hellriegel is the one OP gun in the assault, every gun in the medic class is OP. The snipers need some love because they only get a certain range to one shot when it should be one shot until a certain distance.

[@derekzigzag4mlg840]

Are these guns just in CTE right now?

[@tainebambrough6029]

For those who are worried about getting the AT mine kills, best thing to do is place down ATmines at chock points and just shoot it directly when you see a enemy. Been practising well we wait for the patch.

[@xxdatboixx3558]

taine bambrough it gets you the kills with the gun you shoot it and not with the mine

[@tainebambrough6029]

Are you sure about that? My AT mine kills have been going up in my stats

[@xxdatboixx3558]

Maybe it's with me because I've tried doing it and it gives me kills with the gun I shot it with and not the actual mine

[@MaxiemumKarnage]

Fanbase: "The Hellriegel is overpowered" Dice: "So you're saying it needs a bigger magazine and a bipod?"

[@MaxiemumKarnage]

Oh wait you need 25 AT mine kills to unlock it. So in otherwords it is unavailable to all but the most autistic.

[@infinitetsukuyomi_999]

As soon as you started talking about the martini I got a Martini ad.

[@Youknowme982]

Levelcap I've been subbed to you for a long bit but I guess not long enough what does "the vanilla version" mean ? "Vanilla" what do you mean by that?

[@Youknowme982]

Cujo Reitzel so what do you call it when the dlc is added

[@Youknowme982]

Cujo Reitzel thx bro

[@wzards3529]

Seems like the hellriegel variant is really the only one truly worth going for if you aren't interested in grinding for the others.

[@unger4132]

The Huot needs a suppression variant to be useful. For it being the level 10 unlock and now need to complete these challenges to get this variant, it just seems like a pointless gun without that extra ammo. It doesn't do much damage, and yeah sure its accurate, but you come across a couple guys and choose a target, you use most of that ammo killing him.

[@Christoff1996]

To balance the hellriegel, why not make the current version the "defensive" one (60 round mag, bipod and optical sights) but the new version having the normal sights but using the 25 round mag the real life prototype used? This would mean it's still a powerful gun but using a reduced mag size, and giving the mp18 the advantage of the biggest mag (32). Or is this abit weird? It's okay to call this a bad idea but it's just a thought :)

[@SpikeVike27]

Hold a sec - is those tacticool beuties will be availble for everyone, or for DLC only?

[@erik5645]

Cade Whaley when will they be available?

[@Jaeger_89]

There's two things I think they still need to do regarding weaponry: 1- Increase the damage of the 1906. Something like the french medic weapon. 2- Increase the long range damage of the revolvers. God damn do I miss my magnum...

[@danielantony1882]

Der_Jaeger Why would you use other SLRs then?

[@Jaeger_89]

5 bullets in the mag is still a big argument. Besides, it's not a CQB weapon. It will never replace the Autoloading extended or the M1907. Guns like Mondragón and the Selb 1916 are balanced enough because of their larger mags. A gun that could use some tuning is the Cei-Rigotti though. The 5 round Autoloading is a bit on the lower side too but I don't think it would die out. It's still a great weapon overall. Don't get me wrong, the 1906 is not borderline useless. But you can definitely feel like you need to be much more on your toes while using it unlike some other medic guns.

[@emilelerate6454]

Huot: has foregrip, character model: nah Im gonna hold the mag