All About Logging ECP 29

[@vermexican]

A feller buncher has a saw and only cuts and drops the logs, a processor is the one that cuts, limbs and bucks. Great to hear the history of a logging town. This is what makes you-tube great!

[@elijahmccormick3360]

Really enjoyed this podcast on logging. Do another if you have enough content!

[@terrysullivan1992]

I found it very interesting. One of my college professors was raised in the north of California and worked as a choker during the summers to pay his college tuition. He eventually earned a PhD from Cal Tech in Geology. He had a bum ankle, from a logging accident, but at 40 could still out hike/backpack most young bucks in their twenties. Many great road trips and backpacks.

[@mikes1345]

I remember visiting my grandparents in Wilemina OR. A Texas kid from post oak country seeing the canyons filled with tall conifers several feet in diameter and logging trucks racing downhill with a man on the tail end of those logs steering the end of the load. It was crazy awesome. My grandpa took me on some of the old skid trails showing me the wildlife. I have visited most of the western states and alaska and still in awe of the different beauties of the changing geography. The people in these small communities are the constant. Their stories are exceptional.

[@corywillbanks6348]

Hello from the oil/gas field of Farmington! Thanks for the shout out and thanks for going into detail on the timber industry I’ve always been curious as to how everything works. My grandpa drove logging truck in southern Colorado way back when and we have some pictures of him with a three log load. You don’t see trees like that anymore

[@bhami]

I lived in Farmington NM for a couple of junior high years in 1967-68. It was not long after an oil/gas bust, so 25% of the houses in my neighborhood were empty, VA/FHA repos. The D&RGW still ran a weekly coal/steam-powered narrow-gauge freight train, Alamosa-Durango-Farmington, which finally shut down at that time.

[@stephensloan6441]

Great video! I love both the main channel and EC2. One suggestion that would be helpful for viewers like myself would be to put still pictures on screen when describing things. Scott did a great job of describing things like high lead logging, skidders, yarders, etc, but it would be nice to show a still image or two for folks who aren't as well versed on the topic. Appreciate the content!

[@zekezeke3484]

Check out the Goodson's All Terrain logging channel for a view of modern logging machines for logging on flat ground.

[@jeremymullen6149]

The EC2 channel is gold! Glad to have found it. Thank you

[@pnwester2697]

Douglas county's snowpocalypse downed millions of board feet. Similarly when Mt St Helen's blew, billions of board feet were on the ground. Our local logging industry geared up to get as much of that wood as they could. Logging downed trees in (sometimes) feet of ash changed the industry for quite a while.

[@danfrosaker6692]

You mentioned the forests across the Pacific... The south island of New Zealand has tons of Douglas Fir farms. They call them "Oregon Pines." It was fun driving around through primeval forests and going around a corner to see a familiar sight of a large stand of Douglas Fir behind a fence with a nice sign on it.

[@nickgardella5169]

The words: “im not qualified” and “full disclosure” when discussing a certain thing let you know that when this man speaks about a topic you know your getting good info. Theres not enough of that these days. Thank you for the content!

[@dannywilsher4165]

I was born and raised on a drilling rig. My Dad started out roughnecking and worked his way up to a big shot for Chevron. I started roughnecking when I was 17 and 9 months later was a driller. Toolpusher was the next step up the ladder but I saw lots more money in a welding career so I bought me a welding machine, taught myself to weld and jumped in the big money. Eventually had 4 welders working for me and soaking up the big money. Boom times always end and I had to find other ways to survive. Restaurant, then a full service gas station, wrecking yard and towing service. Went back to college and got an Electrical engineering degree and spent the rest of my career in the chemical plants and manufacturing industry here in Houston...

[@ShotGunner5609]

I think people who end up learning serveral trades are always interesting to meet and talk to. At 17 i started working as a framer/grunt in construction. Did that for 2 and a half years, joined the marine corps as an infantrymen/infantry dog handler for 5 years. Worked as a security guard for 10 months after i got out and tried going to school for emt. Persued low voltage electrician work for a year. Switched to truck driving, am a postal contractor with almost 4 years experience now. I've had alot of fun doing different things, and plan to continue learning different skills and hopefully one day earn that "jack of all trades" title.

[@dannywilsher4165]

@@ShotGunner5609 I agree sir, someday I will figure out what I want to do when I grow up.

[@Rishnai]

That opening roll with the crack about Pine Sol is still GOLD

[@Matthew_D]

@ec2 this was really interesting! I'm a public land Forester and really liked hearing Scott's take on logging. It would be really interesting to have a timber cruiser talk about their perspective and profession. Another cool talk would be a log purchaser who works for a mill or log outfit.

[@DOTK1112]

Listened on Google Podcast, but came to comment just to say YES, I appreciated the episode. Please keep making great content. Thank you!

[@charliesimpson2974]

I recall reading about 30 years ago that Weyerhauser, owned fully 10% of the land in my state (south and SW Arkansas). I recall being stunned by this. Then I had occasion to drive through there following a log truck up a hill at 20 mph and hoping one of those chains around the logs didn't break. A drive through South Arkansas will show that trees are in fact essentially a row crop, much like cotton is in NE AR, just a much longer time between sowing and harvest.

[@martinhogg5337]

Enjoyed that chat. Learnt something new. Very interesting and gives me a different perspective on timber production.

[@billqqq]

Being a native of the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, we had our Ford timber barrons clear-cut the virgin timber from the whole U.P. in the 1800's. There are two stands left, in the tip of the Keweenaw Peninsula (the Estevant pines) and a stand in the Porcupine Mountains state forest. There is also a large stand of second growth hardwoods at the McCormick Wilderness. I had several uncles that grew up in the lumber camps of the late 1800's. Interesting how many industries have similar well-established processes and terminology. As a lad, I worked in an open pit iron ore mine. I do believe I could do a very similar talk on that world. Very interesting and enjoyable discussion!

[@mafletsb]

Great content and discussion. I appreciate the down to earth perspective from someone that experienced it first hand!

[@joshburton2815]

Hi guys, this was probably my favourite episode of EC2 yet. Thank you both very much for producing these episodes! All the very best to you and your families from Perthshire, Scotland! Josh.

[@GregsWorkshopOregon]

I grew up in Reedsport, went to middle school in Gardiner across from the big sawmill and the paper mill. Douglas County was a great place back then.

[@isaaclawrence1113]

I want more of these

[@psidvicious]

When we were in our 20s, my brother and I took a month off of life, to travel all around the western US. Being from the eastern side, we were constantly amazed at the contrast from east to west. As kids in the US we all grew up with ‘Smokey the Bear’ and “Only you can prevent forest fires”, he always used to say. Being from the east, we never really understood what all the fuss was about. Things get a little wetter when you get to Oregon and northwards but most of the trees in the western states are like billions of giant matchsticks. After that trip, we had a whole new appreciation for what was being taught to us by Smokey.

[@CavinSr069]

Another great subject. Very interesting.

[@Ryan-xq2ot]

Really enjoyed this. Living in South East Ohio logging is a good sized industry here. I've never done any of it but am in and out of mills alot driving a truck hauling lumber

[@rgbrown90]

I wish Warren from Western truck and tractor was a guest on this episode! It would be cool to see you guys all share knowledge and experience with logging and equipment

[@scruffy6151]

Good idea but, when would Warren ever have time lol.

[@rgbrown90]

Ha! he would most likely not

[@skid7519]

Well I'll just say, and I know I'm not the minority.... I just cant get enough of what you guys are doing here. Both channels are great. I also think you would like to hear that the more I watch and listen the more I feel I'm in tune with the things I feel I need to do. Case in point, I love playing video games and can let it kind of take over more than it should but hearing or watching or even seeing an EC thumbnail it gets my mind where it should be. Idk if that makes any sense to anyone other than me, and I cant explain it very well but I'll just say I appreciate you for a reason you may not have ever thought about. Be proud of that. Thanks. I'll keep up the good work.

[@pmchamlee]

Fascinating! I have an AG degree and studied forestry and dendrology, but I never got so deep into the industry that I understood much of what you guys covered.🤠

[@kiwdwks]

Enjoyed the conversation...so interesting! Thanks.

[@rayschwalb]

This was fantastic. I could listen to Scott talk about timber all day.

[@michaeldougfir9807]

Good episode!! Good forestry talk. When you come back to this how about talk about steam donkeys? And logging camps? And I agree with the suggedtion for a few pictures. And maybe a clip about the Shay logging locomotive?

[@antonmcgready9285]

Excellent conversation gents. So telling of our value system when at 29:12 when Scott says "I've known a few loggers and the only people I have ever known that made any real money ended up in a position where they were buying and selling the commodity, rather than doing the work."

[@knotbumper]

As a kid, I started out at age 14 (1966) with an 1-1/4 x 60' kinky choker. The whole thing weighed just south of 100 pounds. By the time I left the woods and started in the trade as an electrician, we had moved down to 1/2 x 12' chokers. All in the span of 12 years.

[@JMnyJohns]

very interesting and well told. The only tree I've ever cut down was a Christmas tree. It's just fascinating to hear about this world. Thanks.

[@thesawdustfactory]

Great job. Thanks for the brief view inside the logging world.

[@ralphburks6863]

Nice overview of the timber industry with a little historic perspective. I enjoyed it.

[@deveryminor1824]

Thanks for the lecture. I once was a logger. Now a cat skinner on fires. It's been a while since I thought of a camp run price.

[@stuartlockwood9645]

Hi Nate and Scott, this has been a very interesting video, giving us an insight into the world of logging, real man's work,for a special kind of person, glad to here that replanting of trees is ongoing, for the good of the planet, and to keep the industry going. Listening to your experiences scott,is fascinating, and olso a privaledge, Best wishes, stay safe all of ya,Stuart.uk.

[@scruffy6151]

Logging video nice. I miss playing in the woods. I was paid by the cord i was a piece cutter. I cut the trees down and cut to length. A feller buncher cuts the tree and piles them for the skidder to take to the landing. Processor cuts the tree down and cuts to length without letting go of the tree. Forwarder hauls wood out of the woods that is cut by a piece cutter or processor.

[@allenb8066]

Great job and keep up the great work. Thank you

[@lucaslasiter5948]

Real glad I found this pod cast

[@titus142]

I just want to keep hearing stories! Keep it coming!

[@michaeldalton8374]

Enjoyed this. As an aside- some of these comments are as interesting as the video. I can’t recall another channel where that’s so. One of several things I enjoy about EC.

[@highwatercircutrider]

My great grandfather William Heideman owned the Michigan log brand H&H with his partner a mr. Hunt. He logged a vast tract of northern Michigan surrounding Higgins and Houghton lake a hundred forty years ago during Michigan’s timber era.

[@johnrosier1686]

Interesting topic. There is always a lot more to it than one would think.

[@DonkeyDongDoug]

yes, this was interesting. I would enjoy some more logging talk

[@mwhelan53]

The term ‘mule skinner’ was a reference to the use of the whip, when driving a team, if done with too much enthusiasm would take skin off the miles back. I guess the modern equivalent would be an operator pushing the machine so hard as to damage it.

[@jimharris4013]

Very good, thanks guys.

[@aaaaaaaaaa697]

Fantastic talk guys. Really enjoyed the information

[@barryduckworth5224]

Intreresting discussion. I have a buddy in the logging business. Around here, not much of the timber goes to a lumber product. Mostly all pine and mostly goes to pulp wood, for the paper mills.â We all tend to call it government pines, because that's where the seedlings come from. Generally they are about the size of your hand when they get put out. Get harvested in stages, a little at time, thinning this year , allowing next year's crop to be a little bigger. I do have a friend that runs his own saw mill. He doesn't have a huge inventory, but if I need something, I can usually get it in a week or so. I recently needed a 6 X9 beam out of oak and I got it in a week. Sawmill finish, not planned, but was good for me. Not sure what it's like for you up there, but down here the lumber people are some of the most down to earth and some of the best.

[@bjarkih1977]

There's a door/window factory/workshop in Akureyri, Iceland that prefers Oregon pine :)

[@jimjones4345]

Cool talk guys! Nice to change it up every now and then.

[@danielrobles10]

Side note your title design is great and synonymous with essential craftman... That and the anvil

[@WayneSmith-yf3fg]

Love to hear about the harvesting of the lumber. Maybe you could touch on the drying & grading of the lumber. Sometimes we here on the east coast get such "crap" for building.

[@wilchami]

This was an education. Thank you!

[@MattyH907]

Absolutely love it! Keep up the good work!

[@realisticcritic]

I wish there was documentation of the stories like these about how a trade is done but instead of it being told by a 60 year old man 20 years out in the year 2020, a 60 year old man retired talking about the work in his career in the 1950s or even earlier. I had a great uncle that spent a lot of time earning his living digging pipeline, by hand. Interesting, incredible work. Another guy worked oil field in the depression and talked about the little towns that developed and their politics and what the work was like Then again hear stories about minors back 80 years ago. How great would it be to have this type documention from those accounts?

[@swampwhiteoak1]

In my adult lifetime, I have cut down the same wild cherry tree for firewood 3 times. The second 2 times the tree grew as a stump sprout from the stump of the original tree. A stump sprout grows from the large root system of the original tree so it can grow faster.

[@kyleallen1835]

Great show, there’s a lot to logging

[@denaboersma6983]

Awesome awesome episode. Great content

[@MrDerekmoney]

My dad logged when he was a young man and used to tell me about how the new guy would get fooled into running back up the hill for a choker straightner.

[@Big_Red_Dork]

I'm sure they were sent for sky hooks too 😂

[@philiprogers8620]

Interesting perspective for a kid from Ohio! I’ve always found it difficult to reconcile how much I love big trees and old forests with my love for working with wood. I’m currently remodeling a little ranch house built in 1957. Pulled off the awful looking original siding to find that it’s genuine redwood, logged and produced by the Arcata Redwood Company of Arcata, CA according to a print on the board. Underneath 60 years of peeling paint, it’s just a beautiful beautiful material. I can easily see why it must have been so desirable for construction, straight and strong and rot resistant, but I can’t understand how they preferred the enormous pile of siding to a 2000 year old 15 foot wide tree. Those endless redwood forests must have been breathtakingly beautiful. It’s a tough thing for a society to get right, the laws of economics are at war with our more romantic nature. We have to strike a compromise between our exploitation of natural resources and their preservation. Use it, but don’t destroy it.

[@SBpayo]

Philip Rogers well said

[@patrickwoite7188]

Nice podcast. A few remarks, though. Here in Germany, we try to get away from monocultures, because it seems, mixed woods are better to withstand the challenges of a changing climate. They are also less prone to calamities like bug infestatiins whiping out thousends of trees in one summer. It also helps with fire prevention, if you mixed coniferous and decidious trees. Concerning the harvest of 2nd, 3rd growth: what do the stumps look like? Are the diameters the same as the first growth? What about growth rings, how close are they? Yes, nature does take care of itself. But, in my opinion, we shouldn't go mindless about the use/ abuse of it.

[@rmc8152]

More about Oregon history please. Thank you.

[@DeliveryMcGee]

I just love Scott and Nate's repertoire. I'm Nate's age but my father is somewhat older than Scott.

[@wileyseifert5769]

The closing of the mills hurt alot of small communities in Oregon. I still log today just small private jobs and salvage jobs.

[@J-MJordan]

How do you find out what the fair market price per board foot is?

[@dennylangmack7452]

Jordan Bickmore is Washington the website is, Washington log prices and usually price is by the 1000/bdft

[@J-MJordan]

@@dennylangmack7452 does this include for woodworking quantities or just for the logging industry? I'm getting into handtool woodworking furniture and I find wood prices are anywhere from 6-9 dollars a board foot or higher. Is that to high?

[@joshosborn4832]

Check local sawmill if you have one

[@dennylangmack7452]

Jordan Bickmore I would check your local lumber mill this podcast is talking about log prices more the lumber mill most likely would just refer you to the lumberyard to buy from and shop around maybe call the yard a county over and see what prices are there, I’m not really sure about furniture plus prices will be different unless we live in the same county

[@kengamble8595]

Thanks for sharing and take care. 👍

[@Rivers-edge-farms]

Need another on logging!

[@markb.1259]

Very very interesting... Thanks!!!

[@N8-T]

The area im in, when my dad was a kid in the 70s, there were 12 mills between these two small towns (then, small towns) today there is one "mill" they are a veneer plant and only use the mill to make cants. They produced lumber up until about 10 years ago. They will not be there much longer, the reason this town was originally here will soon be gone, But, that's unfortunately kinda how progress works! I do miss the old mills

[@RayHikes]

I'd love to hear more about logging

[@tonydistefano2537]

I would really like to see an interview with Brian Reynolds or Andrew Camarara. I work for RFP in Riddle really enjoy your podcasts at work. I am interested in getting started in excavation

[@matthewgleason2122]

really cool guy enjoying the podcast

[@bob_frazier]

I can still hear the talkie tooter on the mountain behind my house here in 2022. I wonder who is willing to work that hard these days.

[@pmahnke3]

2nd generation gypo co-owner here out of Longview Washington. If you ever need an update on 2020 logging I would give my two cents.

[@gustjerry9139]

Very interesting.

[@larryjones2237]

Fascinating story. Check out West Kern Oil Museum. They could provide deep background on the oil business in California.

[@jimsbagels1991]

As usual great content, but is the audio out of sync with the video?

[@iandouglas4992]

Please more!

[@markbell9742]

Hi: In your vlog: 'In A Carpenters Life Book Review ECP 20', the Doerner Fir Tree was mentioned and I research it and thanks for that. But, I could not get a clear understanding of the meaning of 'Doerner'; is it a type of fir or a name of a person, place or thing? Cheers, Mark

[@bob_frazier]

Mark, It was originally called the Brummitt fir because it is in the Brummitt Creek drainage. It is growing on BLM land, and was renamed after Ray Doerner who was a BLM employee and county commissioner. We use to hunt elk in there.

[@markbell9742]

@@bob_frazier Wow, you combed through the EC2 archives to find this. I just Google 'Ray Doerner' and found the Wikipedia entry but must have missed it last year. Thanks, Bob

[@pete546]

the Tasmanian Huon pine timber cutters pre chainsaws/dozers etc would block winch them over a incline and sled them down the mountain to the river ...and the float them many miles to a mill....there is history of one man rowing his workmate about 14 plus hours ( it may have been 17...a bit hazy)to Strahan ...then ....operated on his leg on the pub bar , to save him...whether he or the doc did this ...not sure...( this is in country where there was no one for 100's of miles)....machines make it so much easier....

[@bobsmith-ru7xp]

Here in the south the best lumber available is yellow pine. How does doug fir compare to yellow pine?

[@9mmkahr]

I can tell you as a carpenter from Michigan, SYP is used sporadically, mainly in truss production on bearing points etc. It is heavy, dense and oily, for a "soft wood" and is mighty strong. It's downfall is that driving nails through it tends to split it. So much so that if we had a, lets say, 2x8 SYP bottom cord of a truss that needed to accept a big LVL or girder hanger (66, 3" nails, hand driven), we would need to drill pilot holes.

[@9mmkahr]

I might add that here in Michigan our typical building lumber is SPF , which includes a few species of Spruce or Pine or Fir but does not include douglas fir, which is not a true fir.

[@derekrosecrans1361]

Southern Oregon used to have the best schools in the nation, then the spotted owl happened. I can remember watching them all close down. Sad days.

[@MistaSweeeft7214]

I am from Farmington New Mexico. And I’m a logger. It’s a small and weird world.

[@williambrouwers5664]

Awesome!

[@markrice1549]

Extremely interesting!! How do you grow knotless pine?

[@neild7971]

Knots are the branches obviously, branches die off when there is low light, so a young tree growing in forest constantly reaching upwards with only a small canopy growing. Planting initially tight competitive growth and later thinning could bring the same results I imagine, but perhaps someone more qualified will comment.

[@markrice1549]

Neil D thanks I wondered if you kept the branches trimmed if that would do it so that makes sense! Plant thicker and keep the branches trimmed would get you clear lumber! Cool thanks!!

[@denniswilhelm1316]

Good job

[@alanhutchins4233]

Very interesting

[@watchthe1369]

"Tree Farmer" if you are a proper person making your living off the land, you are aware of your responsibility to preserve things for the next generation, of people and crops. You are aware of that in far better detail to some eco-greenie from the city. Smoky Owls are a concern, but living things adapt, we did not live in caves forever and Snowy Owls have moved into market signs.

[@BokorRider]

very interesting thanks

[@ronleon1124]

Once this pandemic ends you should try to get wranglerstar on the podcast

[@carollshelby500]

Canada has some great soft wood

[@gumboot65]

Oh Boy. As a former timber beast from Southeast Alaska. Started out in The riggin, went to the water as a boom man . Then to where I always wanted to be, falling timber. Bushlin! 100% old growth. Trampin from camp to camp. With the fast taper that timber in Alaska has. Figuring out how to hide the shorter fatty's 😀. Thank God I stayed alive and able to walk upright and work. However, over mechanization just put guys out of work.

[@ryanfields5181]

Cool!

[@thomasvale2523]

I think Scott would really enjoy having a chat with this guy: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gYCQd2ysh6pgbMU - Aussie sawmiller who has made his own sawmill and truck to move the logs. At 88 years old.

[@hoppinjohn3496]

Bangor, Maine is the original lumber capital of the world. js

[@Tazzspaz]

I have a huge amount of respect for you and certainly enjoyed the video. However, there is no way that the US can have more trees than it did some 400 years ago. There is no way for the rate of growth to equal the rate of consumption in the most basic terms. Even if the number has begun to rebound through many initiatives (not just replanting), the volume, density, and diversity of forest habitat has certainly decreased. For example we will never see some forests return to their previous extent with trees such as the Sequoia or at all for myself living in Georgia. "The U.S. has been been steadily adding back forests since the 1940s. According to the The North American Forest Commission, we have two-thirds of the trees that we had in the year 1600. "

[@alanmeyers3957]

There have been skylines over a mile long.

[@firemanj35]

Ha hi guys

[@williamdegnan4718]

It doesn't matter what you talk about.