ALL JUMPSCARES - Five Nights at Freddy's VR: Help Wanted (FNAF VR)

Welcome to Five Nights at Freddy's VR Help Wanted, a video with all jumpscares and ending! FNAF!
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Five Nights at Freddy’s VR: Help Wanted is a virtual reality experience for the HTC Vive and Oculus Rift. FNaF VR: HW is a collection of classic and original mini-games set in the Five Nights universe. Survive terrifying encounters with your favorite killer animatronics in a collection of new and classic FIVE NIGHTS AT FREDDY’S™ experiences. “Where fantasy and fun come to life!”
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[@IULITM]

It's finally here! LETS HIT 10,000 LIKES FOR FNAF VR HELP WANTED! *WARNING* *JUMPSCARES*

[@eastereggscuphead9347]

Best youtuber ever

[@w.dgaster2471]

Wow this must have taken a long time

[@ethanthesalamander]

IULITM you telling me there is no good ending? HOW THE HELL DO YOU GET THE GOOD ENDING?! (If it exists)

[@kirbylover6290]

I agree

[@colourfulmartin4329]

All fnaf games on iOS cost money now :(

[@elijahray5340]

I love how Bonnie turns to the player's view like: "A dead end, well, might as well look somewhere els-- oh..." 0:34

[@teedeegremlin]

"Why hello there, fellow animatronic!"

[@AmaticXLII]

Bonny: can i give you a hug Guard: no Bonny: DIE

[@NRosyN]

0:32

[@donkeykong6426]

its like he heard you say a mom joke and was like >:( }:( 😡 say that again

[@darksonicyt5430]

Elijah Ray Chica does the same here 2:12

[@carcassgames1537]

16:12 that "Oh no" was so perfectly timed XD

[@rodrickgoldberg2324]

... oh no. RAWWR!

[@Stock_Junction]

True

[@joshuastuart4314]

so it was

[@r1cew4ves73]

"hehe im in danger"

[@SWITCHY7]

Carcass Games ik lol

[@unknownfigure]

26:57 Chica looks so pissed looking at you like, "Did you eat all the pizza?" Then kills you over it

[@ionutcosmin4139]

Me when someone eats all the pizza rolls

[@svp5thechad408]

Chica: Are you telling about if I AM FAT?

[@donkeykong6426]

*whimperly* no

[@BardockSkywalker]

Chica: *PIZZA!!!*

[@patrick9969]

Lol

[@realhound20777]

16:00 lol i love how u dont even care to do your job properly and just toss a battery at foxy lol

[@FinnKid1]

fuck it battery

[@razor8304]

Oh no

[@richardwingo3031]

16:12 *Foxy starts running* Voice-over: Oh no

[@mablepaynemp]

*_O H N O_*

[@mustachmangames7573]

OH NO

[@soarandy2370]

*Oh no*

[@Shawn667Dz]

*O H N O*

[@r3nrii.b0nes]

o h n o- aeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhah

[@purple_baconhair8438]

21:13 This has to be the best jumpscare out of all. The way it's so unexpected, because you think Ennard is melted in the boiler room distracts you, until he launches at you out of nowhere and just stays there getting in every second. Definitely made me jump off my seat!

[@Deaderthanadoorknob2]

Does it kill you?

[@bobgeorge5367]

GD Killers no, it ends like that

[@Deaderthanadoorknob2]

@@bobgeorge5367 does it only happen in hard mode?

[@bobgeorge5367]

GD Killers yes only on hard mode, on the normal Ennard just burns

[@Deaderthanadoorknob2]

Does spring trap's only come on hard mode in the 2nd circuit breaker in vent repair

[@zendpixie]

A big part of FNAF that always seemed like it was missing to me is actually seeing the robots _move_ Here we are epically provided with that, and I'm so glad I waited. Seeing them crawl around and actually run to you is cool as shit

[@humdidgeridoo8653]

Yea especially mangle

[@tooru5244]

ealry note: this all is my OPINION and my perspective as non FNAF fans not only that, the there's other few thing that FNAF missing 1. seeing animatronics mooving just like you said 2. kill/dead animation, i know jumpscare is the core of FNAF but for me it's getting stupid, i want to see the animatronics straight up kill the player 3. survival, like i want to see the player able moving, at least leave the room for hiding instead of waiting for their demise FNAF already did a great job for building up the horror vibes, good enough to give me a goosebumps but not good enough to make scared, the only thing that scared me here is the jumpscare and i can't even call it scared, just shocked.

[@danielhogue6332]

We didn't see them move because it was probably to much budget cost for scott note he had a small budget at the time and probably couldn't afford animation outside of jumpscares

[@tooru5244]

@@danielhogue6332 i can understand why he was doing that, i read that fnaf is 1 man (Scott) project, for a 1 man project it was really awsome, the fnaf 1 was really succesful. But what happened after that? He already successful, a budget shouldn't be the excuse. The reason why he stick with the original concept (jumpscare instead of showing full murder and player that stand still eaiting for his demise) is because it's become the charms of fnaf.

[@Emotive49]

@@tooru5244 it wasn't budget obviously its the nostalgia in the game for you not to move around

[@rainfallthemousefox5709]

4:39 ok that was really cool looking, I freaking love Mangle.

[@yakko7418]

Rain Fall the mouse fox (Spider-Man theme plays in the background)

[@curlyhairjess]

Same Mangle is my favorite FNAF 2 character

[@kristenburkel7584]

Ik the animation is great

[@AbletonRinzler]

Who doesn't love Mangle?

[@RaymondCampesino]

Ikr

[@epixfox7916]

IULITM: [dies] Handy Unit: Eat it :D (15:11)

[@wyllgalaxy1009]

😂😂😂

[@voidyvoid11]

XD

[@a_lien]

😂😂😂

[@ShadMatt1385]

Though I see a problem with that, wasn’t the pizza all gone when he went to grab a slice? Or did he just eat it early?

[@ThePlantBasedGum]

XD

[@bryced.1583]

10:19 **Turns on flashlight** Nightmare BB: **Naruto runs away**

[@lejosh611]

xD

[@ethanrobinson7691]

I saw that too

[@Spiderbiterz]

XD

[@Deaderthanadoorknob2]

Thats how we gonna run at area 51

[@RUBIO7019]

Leaf village is mine,fools!! N.bb_2019

[@alexlovelady8249]

23:58 mom says it’s my turn on the Xbox

[@Kilam1972]

Lmao

[@cezzy_1496]

"Move bitch its my turn now!"

[@thepuppet4321]

15:57: Oh lawd. He comin’.

[@DaSheepKiller]

5:20 also works for this

[@WooperGamerYT]

@@DaSheepKiller or 23:58

[@CloudMouth27]

16:12 Foxy: *RUNNING IN THE 90's* Handyunit: O no.

[@DoctorKittu]

Walker James TWD XD

[@aeki4923]

There are so many kids here

[@cyanidesoup]

26:56 Chica:did you just eat my pizza?

[@PhoenixPrime]

8:34 "NO! WAIT! HANG ON, STOP! Listen: You don't wanna do this! I've been a good boy! I've been a good boy, please! I'VE BEEN SUCH A GOOD BOY! Don't do it! NOOOOOOOO!! Hi." - Markiplier

[@riverratbelmont7800]

Anyone else actually saw that

[@RiftComix]

Video link?

[@Bipolardreamz]

27:00 Chica: YOU ATE MY PIZZA DIDN'T YOU NOW YOU ARE THE PIZZA

[@vortexingu1428]

No, you become the pepperoni.

[@ludvikkovac8573]

lol

[@gipsydanger5802]

Thats me in doom 2016

[@amazingmrpig6369]

4:40 mangle looks a little bit to happy to see you

[@curlyhairjess]

Mangle: Oh another victim to jumpscare

[@Wavy279]

He Looks so cute to

[@gipsydanger5802]

If shes happy to see me im not surprised Cause i got cybernetic enhancements

[@virtualboy89]

I just love how realistic and terrifying the animation is, the way the animatronics walk slowly towards you in the corridor in FNAF 2. You can even hear the squeaky metal when chica walks down the hall to the door. The level of detail here is astounding

[@lejosh611]

When you want to eat some leftovers but ur sibling already ate it 26:58

[@Christopher-lh2ff]

*Foxy tearing down the hallway to murder you* Instructor: oh no

[@pie-rxmancer1142]

*knuckles voice* oh no

[@brotherextreme]

@@pie-rxmancer1142 oh fuck

[@Redtherandom]

It’s at 69. Let’s keep it that way.

[@PoloRossi]

16:12

[@diamondmemer9754]

You can't call hand unit InStRuCtOr

[@slitheriss]

16:12 "Oh no" Haha thanks for that, robot voice...

[@celestialdragonlord5004]

Baymax??

[@ticktackcaboose4967]

Handunit*

[@guy_1698]

16:12 *foxy runs toward you* Instructor: Oh NoOoOo

[@Jayco-mu2ty]

😂😂😂🤣

[@deeceewinxie1798]

(16:00) Handy Unit: Foxy has been out of commission for-! Player: *Throws power thingy at Foxy* ... *Power goes out* Foxy: *Runs at the player* Handy Unit: Oh no-! *JUMPSCARE* This ENTIRE thing was just GOLDEN XD

[@donkeykong6426]

knuckles: oh no!!!!!!!!!!!

[@mablepaynemp]

@@donkeykong6426 *_O H N O_*

[@SaltyTea414]

DeeCee Winxie KNUCKLES MEMES INTENSIFIES

[@pixalotz]

Oh no

[@sonja193qlwsajaw3]

Poppi2011s Sfms can u

[@movedaccount4605]

Its so cool how fast youtubers can finish a game that just released

[@thelifeofsem]

*early acces*

[@helsinguez]

@@thelifeofsem Y.E.S

[@max-UH-million]

Speed run strat

[@andrew_jfjfjfjf]

i am speed

[@zajemc2604]

They had a week to play before it goes to everyone

[@vichiro]

23:14 IULITM: a coin! Baby: I SMELL PENNIES I never had so many likes on a comment before

[@tooblurri]

Best comment

[@theelderscout0314]

Bardock: I’ve made a terrible mistake

[@ShadMatt1385]

Sr Shibe IULITM: **proceeds to be jumpscared afterwards as Baby charges at the closet to consume me and the coin I found**

[@Bipolardreamz]

Omg i commented that and didn't see this lol

[@prattmaster7269]

So I think scrap baby is actually mr. Krabs is female Mr crabs because she likes pain he's just like he does

[@gdpoint7889]

15:17 hand unit: eat it IULITM: I'M DEAD ARE YOU HAPPY NOW

[@n64samurai36]

5:09 Person playing: oh crap I forgot to wind the music bo- what the heck is the puppet doin? Puppet: I'm a worm

[@jinx1987]

5:20 me trying to sneak past my parents to the cookie jar

[@jellyfish8276]

Yea, and the jumpscare was them catching you

[@NateTheTailor]

@@jellyfish8276 nah you are the cookie jar and when puppet jumpscare happened it was like finally getting the jar

[@dragonf1recdn]

POV: You're the cookie jar i need to sneak past my parents to get

[@TonyMendezP]

CRINGE

[@BonBon-od9zm]

@@TonyMendezP No

[@StarGiraffinum]

21:16 "WA-ZOO!!! Ninja skills!"

[@ttracs]

GD Killers yes, that is the joke.

[@Kurotitan7125]

My favorite jumpscare.

[@balloonlagoon6187]

@@Deaderthanadoorknob2 no, really?

[@irennapaucar3821]

the best jumpscare lol

[@sir.zermaroon3894]

Trigger Warning: _ThIs ViDeO cOnTaInS jUmPsCaReS_

[@lorddoggo7197]

Never would of guessed

[@vishankamalawana4374]

Dark DeathFire obviously

[@El_Noob_Universal]

and lots of fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun,

[@amenwossen6240]

You don't say

[@ismarymedina9899]

Don’t spoil it!

[@projectblade82]

Bonnie: walks Player: Turns on light Bonnie: Hello Player: is where at this moment that he knew, he f**cked up.

[@AlizaBunn]

no

[@brodyplaysrobloxhhguyu1370]

Bonnie and freddy

[@robinbroadbent]

Thr timing when the Instructionis said (Ohno) XD 16:12

[@SpringyGirl69]

Jaime Java OH MY GOD 😂😂😭😭

[@amazingmrpig6369]

Amazing

[@brotherextreme]

Nice

[@jinx1987]

Jaime Java Knuckles: Oh no!

[@ethanrobinson7691]

Lol I saw that too, I was about to comment on it XD

[@alastor-2033]

26:57 I like how Chica realize that there’s no more pizza 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@mr.mateo7164]

She was like NANI

[@andrew_jfjfjfjf]

Poor chica

[@caleb0keefe14]

26:56 you ate my pizza. REEEEE!!!!!

[@alexandnachoyt3001]

PIZZAPIZZAPIZZAPI.... Pi...pizza? Piiizaaa (:'( Pizza? :o Piii... |:'[ *_PIIIIIZAAAAAAAAAAAA_*

[@MIGHTY_JellyVR]

16:12 O H N O

[@jsafont7mini360]

K I D O F M A M A

[@claylilac]

16:11 *hears Foxy running* "Oh no."

[@kalkal_]

"Eat it" ~narrator man, FNAF Help Wanted, 2019

[@EmeraldHandle]

27:01 IULITM : hey ! my pizza ! Chica : HAVE A PROBLEM ?!

[@LizardGames_25]

23:15 Player: (collects coin) Baby: (sees him collect it) Also baby: GIMMIE THAT COIN!!!!!

[@Jayco-mu2ty]

Lol🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@DrasticFox2004]

She pissed 😂

[@sussy3778]

I love how Bonnie and Chica slowly turn their head to look at you, is like if they are thinking:"Wait... what the hec"

[@alexandnachoyt3001]

More like: *_WAIT A MINUTE... Who are YOU? _*

[@sussy3778]

@@alexandnachoyt3001 Yes

[@brodyplaysrobloxhhguyu1370]

You

[@luciaortiz3933]

I like how creepy that looks like

[@lucychan3889]

14:41 chica:don't touch my pizza >:v

[@Cryptic_Diamond]

26:57 Chica:clearly you didn’t understand me the last time

[@mr.spacegodzilla8692]

Proceeds to drop it on the floor Chica: AAAAAaaaaaaAaaaaah

[@Mith_and_Syn]

23:32 baby: oh hi Mark:* closes door * Baby: HERES BABY!! Mark:* confused screaming*

[@thehypoutahboi2314]

Did u mean markpliyer whatever how u say it

[@the1kid2731]

That did not sound like a fnaf sound effect

[@redstripezoom8856]

0:29 Bonnie: _walking_ IULITM: _flashes light over and over again_ Bonnie: Am I A Joke To You?

[@something3382]

0:30 Wait a minute Who are you?

[@lasnachasdelflippy2340]

Lmaooo

[@born_definition9805]

*Foxy kills you* Voice instructor: *OH NO*

[@metalben005]

*Eat it* No, no I don't think I will

[@curlyhairjess]

I think I remember Mark saying that

[@ryanodyssey4957]

9:58 THAT FREAKING JUMPSCARED ME RIGHT AFTER I BEAT ENNARD FIRST TRY!! It was night and when I knew it was safe, I opened it, AND LET OUT THE BIGGEST SCREAM AND FELL RIGHT ON THE GROUND, and somehow the people sleeping over in the room behind me didn’t wake up, deep sleepers

[@microwave736]

It's a glitch

[@microwave736]

SUPRISE

[@the1kid2731]

I got a jumpscare like this, then it sent me to the game over screen

[@yakko7418]

4:37 Spider mangle scaring the guard instead of being in endgame

[@sam-cg2zu]

*5:20* *mom, i'm not drunk...* *(walks like it's about to die)*

[@theiceygamer4742]

Me walking into the club 5:19

[@second-handshows1353]

OMG 😂😂😂😂😂

[@iiduwu9296]

Ahahah xd

[@rodrickgoldberg2324]

Huh. This whole time I thought the puppet was flying. But it’s actually walking.

[@lackofbadtaste]

With me And the boys

[@virtualboy89]

He kinda looks silly, I honestly think having him float would have been a better choice

[@AustinSanders1980]

16:12 "Oh no" *dead*

[@gdpoint7889]

XD

[@RUBIO7019]

Poop a sonic fan i will be yr pal dude

[@EtorChristie]

The fact that you actually see them moving makes the experience so much better to play and watch.

[@luckyinky7849]

14:35 this is how you disrespect Chica

[@Wavy279]

Lucky Inky LOL

[@zacharycabanie3030]

By throwing the cupcake through Chica's head? Make sense

[@0vercooked]

@@zacharycabanie3030 no by dropping the pizza on the floor

[@YaBoiYack2717]

26:55 i love how chica is dissapointed that there’s no more pizza

[@ArpeggioPegasusMusic]

Just so you realize : someone, on this Earth, deliberately endured every jumpscare in the game, through random means, to make this video. He's the real MVP here.

[@lopstersharks9385]

Bro was definitely shaking at parts

[@pretzperson]

15:56 *FLINT LOCKWOOOOD*

[@RGBovine]

The way that some of these guys position themselves before killing you is horrifying! Imagine Mangle slowly crawling into your office, looming above you, never breaking eye contact, observing you, and then killing you. The animations for these are smooth as well, they move so realisticly! Sometimes I have to take my headset off and tell myself "it's just a game, they aren't real."

[@Moon_Jam08]

5:28 what is that? Acid mode?

[@ttracs]

Aldrich Luna Hard mode.

[@S0m3asian]

Yes

[@scoutpandapal]

Blacklight mode

[@RUBIO7019]

Nightmare mode

[@kirborbie]

Sicko Mode

[@gabriellara5717]

I love how some of the jumpscares are somewhat true to their original version, and I love that you can see them actually moving

[@warmachine3454]

Baby’s jumpscare at 23:36 kind of sounds like Godzilla’s 2014 roar 🤔

[@Kurotitan7125]

How is that possible?!

[@godzillac2002]

23:33

[@CarbonTetrafluoridesp3]

to me it was like demons were escaping or something

[@theamazingomega8067]

Godzilla C200 no he was talking about the plushy ones

[@baconstripsorisitjustbacon4747]

to me it sounds like shes moaning

[@dylan.bissendmylife]

16:13 *foxy sprinting toward player* Handunit: oh no

[@Sinister_Z.]

28:22 *_When you finally old enough to walk into the club_*

[@FinnKid1]

New FNaF game: hey Iulitm: *take me*

[@duckonthecall65]

1:03 My dog whenever I come home

[@DrasticFox2004]

Sadly relatable

[@drsladic101]

Sees nightmare Fredbear Me: it’s ok I didn’t feel like sleeping tonight anyway

[@Mythical_Paws]

Same with me but with freaking Nightmarionne and his creepy AF fingers.

[@DeidaArt]

Same here with Springtrap

[@mr.spacegodzilla8692]

@@Mythical_Paws He also has tentacles

[@mwrozek24]

14:40 *Chica:* don’t take my pizza..no..no...RAWWWR

[@faobricio8292]

I like the way springtrap crawls 8:35 9:32 20:22

[@DrasticFox2004]

He’s a literal robot zombie

[@bellalalala3327]

Foxy at 1:02: *I'M FASTER THAN THE SPEED OF LIIIIIIIII-* _oh hey buddy :D_

[@Dewaansh]

oh so thats the all in one plushie...wow i was stuck on their level for 3 hourse but never got that jumpscare xD dammit

[@IULITM]

You need to play Hard mode and flash the Plushies then wait...

[@Dewaansh]

@@IULITM oohh thanks bro :)

[@Chucky_lover1988]

Witch plushie?

[@theabominator2152]

@@Chucky_lover1988 baby

[@doggo9947]

31 minutes of IULITM dying from a heart attack and then coming back from hospital

[@lncoming]

Fnaf 1 Foxy legit startled me 4:32

[@philsharpe4315]

I like that there is a split second in the corner of the screen where you can see yure fecked

[@brainstorm006]

21:15 When I was watching that part, that instant jumpscare really scared me that time. Now I will say this in Dawko's voice; _Scott you troll!_

[@polterpup4440]

0:40 It's so funny and terrifying when Chica makes those sounds

[@Meriqw_]

At the beggining Me:come on give me the jumpscare!!! *Jumpscares* Me: nevermind

[@domikku8816]

14:26 Withered Bonnie jumpscare :D

[@oscarsithelo7083]

Correction that's normal bonnie and other correction it's spelled withered bonnie

[@domikku8816]

@@oscarsithelo7083 i know, it was a joke man

[@domikku8816]

@Largy Lotts i know, it's just an joke

[@CarNacho17]

Hand Unit: Foxy has been out of commotion *power off* Me:I think you meant out of power or this whole place is 😂 OH NO

[@EmeraldHandle]

14:50 - 15:13 The voice : EAT IT ! IULITM : ... The voice : EAT IT ! IULITM : ....How ? The voice : EAT IT ! IULITM : I'm not hungry anywa.... Chica : EAT THE F***** PIZZA !!!!

[@localmenace3043]

27:00 Chica looks so offended xD (Also warning: jumpscare)

[@yusnargis]

It’s literally in the title of the video no need to give a warning

[@cadethecrustycreature]

16:12 Foxy: *runs at you with no head* Also foxy: *JUMPSCARES YOU WITH A HEAD*

[@Wavy279]

I Just Noticed That?

[@foxtatertot]

I'm saving 4:39 for myself because that animation for Mangle entering the office is SO COOL.

[@tinkywinky9087]

Oh boy, I can't wait to play this game!

[@stormie1776]

I played it and it was a nightmare...

[@stormie1776]

@@LooNey2357 ye and foxy just ran and killed me.... i almost died of an heart attack 😂😂

[@cartwheeler]

I would die if I ever play it... Cause I'm a *scaredy cat*

[@Wispler]

@@cartwheeler I will say it’s really creepy having the animatronics right at your face

[@EmeraldHandle]

23:16 IULITM : *grab the coin* Baby : MONEEEEY !!!!!

[@Weldedhodag]

I love the way Bonnie and Chica turn to you like 'Is there a fucking problem?"

[@thundergreen1133]

Marionette down the hallway: *GOT TO KEEP IT SMOOTH!* ... *GREASY SWEET!*

[@elravice]

gotta keep it smooth, chacha~

[@breek7884]

4:03 me n my friend walking up to our parents to ask if he can sleepover

[@zenmode3125]

22:11 I don't think my brain would be able to understand what the heck was going on, as soon as i saw the tentacles, i almost screamed, HOLY MOLY that's probably the best character in help wanted

[@silverthenascarfan9378]

16:12 that "Oh no" should've been Knuckles.

[@dcook435]

0:00 ...SHOWTIME???

[@r1cew4ves73]

this game has the most smoothest animation of all VR games in my opinion

[@milothebestbatman]

Let’s just acknowledge the pain this man went through. You deserve a like king

[@Aun1x]

6:53 Good Night... *JUMPSCARE*

[@SrHiroo]

14:40 Actually the perfect reason to get jumpscared by chica she loves pizza

[@l1xs4ndr0.]

Wow U have more subs then GamingBeaver And I made more bc I subbed

[@ZpugKing]

Just bought this game, it's my first fnaf game, and im just warming myself up for what's to come.

[@brainstorm006]

Freddy's music from 1:26 to 1:36, IULITM was moving right and left, which the sounds in my headphones did the same. It was amazing though.

[@funnyblue2020]

26:51 Chica:where is my pizza The guy: I eat it Chica: ☹️☹️☹️☹️

[@aslightlystablefootsoldier9838]

I like the part with jumpscares

[@thechickennuggetlord4870]

Bruh same

[@purpletexture5074]

When’s that?

[@AFoolWhoPlaysItCool]

Me too but the part with the Jumpscare is way better.

[@AFoolWhoPlaysItCool]

@Beckham Likes Dough R/wHoOoOoOoOoOsH

[@zarzul697]

@BeckPlayz Games r/woooooosh

[@Cadonious]

Can I get a round of applause for this man going through the game and getting jumpscared like 90000 times???

[@Cadonious]

👏👏👏

[@Cadonious]

👏👏👏

[@Cadonious]

👏👏👏

[@markrichards3805]

👏👏👏

[@r3ddr01d7]

ILUTM: Ah crap,ere we go again