ALL NERFS REVEALED! Sonya REWORKED! The Demon Seed wasn't reworked!? Darkglare is DEAD!

Today we go over the patch notes for the latest balance patch in Hearthstone that sees changes in both Standard and Wild as well as an arena adjusment. The patch goes live today!
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[@Kleshumara]

They’ll never admit the entire Stormwind quest design was a mistake.

[@pachekaoo]

the idea of questlines as :"A progressive multiple step quest" isnt that all a problem as a desing, the problem remained much more on the rewards and even some intermediate steps (DH questline in particular), the whole "I do this and get a win condition on its own" was the biggest offender imo

[@menialbee]

questlines are fine, "for the rest of the game" isn't

[@davidlovesyeshua]

@@pachekaoo Except that also wasn't the problem, e.g. the Priest questline was totally ok despite being a self-contained win-con. It's the card draw and mana cheat that went w/ some of the quests which made them unusually toxic to play against. Or to put it another way: it all depends on how many turns it usually takes for something to happen whether it's bad or not. If you OTK on turn 7, that's bad for the game. If you OTK on turn 12, you better have a solid defensive shell to even hope for viability. Same (w/ different turn thresholds) for scam vs. tempo, toxic hyper aggro/face dmg vs acceptable aggro/burn decks, etc.

[@lutokiba1098]

Ah yes, the paladin quest was oppressive.

[@tsundude4320]

They'll never admit the whole china thing either or that we are just beta testers

[@vakularloki0553]

Eventually demon seed will be 30 dmg per questline

[@robertlupa8273]

And will still be played.

[@vaderwalks]

'Fortunately, our handsomest execs came up with a cheap, last minute way to combat the Demon Seed. Ever since 2021, we simply up the damage per questline now and again. Of course, because the self-harm cards are still powercreeping, it takes more and more damage each time, thus solving the problem once and for all!'

[@sng9x]

They should have buffed Talgath to cost 1 mana 2/2 to go along with the nerfed Sonya, which can push Rogue for more board control using Backstab.

[@Frank_144]

They should've redesigned Talgath

[@Squid-King]

I'll be honest here. I don't think the Demon Seed change itself does anything to the deck, with Dark Glare having more of an impact if anything. It might be still run, but hey. The deck CANNOT go infinite with it anymore. So thats a huge plus. Honestly though. The card is limiting way too much design space. It should honestly just go at this point.

[@DiabloTommaso]

Bro darkglare was insane expecialy if you pair it with the 0 mana heal. now is unolayable and thank god for that.

[@Sylarko100]

Thank god, combo rouge deck came out now anyway or other aggro...

[@BradHS]

If I was the person who got to change darkglare, i would have the refresh 3 mana, but I’d make it a 2/2/3 instead of a 3/3/4 so the card isn’t just completely dead. And for the quest line, I’d keep it at 10-10-10 but I’d make tamsin’s battlecry: Battlecry: For the rest of the game, the first time your opponent takes damage each turn, double it.

[@DiabloTommaso]

@BradHS darkglare pourpose what to play it with giants and you can still do it

[@Sylarko100]

@@DiabloTommaso giantlock could be played again without quest. Renathal or normal. And i think demonseed can be still good with renathal vs aggro or normal vs slower decks

[@ZKEUS]

The bigger issue is that the meta is just unfun. Most decks are scam decks or otk you or rely on some Solitaire-esque mechanic that completely removes any agency. Handbuff Paladin, asteroid shaman, otk pally, dungar druid, wheel lock, Sonya rogue, etc. I am a control player and it doesn't seem to matter what I do. Imo the meta is at a really bad place right now 😢

[@PhukYu2]

Agreed. I don't want to play aggro/otkstone and I never will. And it's nothing but both decks stomping on control and losing to each other which is really stupid and broken. Handbuff paladin is especially problematic because it's basically rogue but with buffs that goes infinite.

[@Maverick7613]

As someone who plays Asteroid Shaman... it honestly really is a control deck. It has (or really begs for) that OTK potential... but it has to maintain board control the entire time getting there or it gets overrun. I spend every single turn running the balance act in my head of "what do I have to kill/deal with versus what can I put off so I can put more rocks in my deck/buff those rocks"? It's not really a viable deck in the current format... we either can't make enough rocks/eruptions, or we can't draw enough rocks/eruptions, or we can't buff up enough rocks/eruptions, or we can't keep the board clear enough/ourselves alive long enough for our rocks to hit face (eruption always does).

[@eduardoripoll7717]

@@Maverick7613 Man that is not true... i am currently Diamond 3 and half of my oponentes are running asteroid shaman... Why? Because it is a an easy way to get legend and people see videos and try to replicate it. A lot of times it draws infinite asteroids as early as turn 9 or 10, so my control decks have no chance against it.

[@samurai_8917]

​@@eduardoripoll7717 If you dirty rat bolide/incindius/magatha/shudderblock the deck just dies. So if they manage to set up enough burn to get through your hp pool then tough shit, you dont get to just win every game cause youre a control player! Control decks need weaknesses!

[@remliqa]

I think a good nerf for Demon Seed is making the reward not protecting you from self inflicted fatigue.

[@PhukYu2]

Make it ONLY protect you instead. So you can go infinite - but that's ALL you can do. You don't damage your opponent with it. Problem solved. (And still fun tbh)

[@remliqa]

@@PhukYu2That would just kill the quest . Why would you waste slot for a card that require you to do 30 (36 now) damage to yourself for nothing .

[@allhailderpfestor4839]

Make it only work for first time you take dmg each turn so you can still grind down slower deck but you can't just flip from aggro board dump into burn/otk combo deck with single questline.

[@Shukulo]

​@@allhailderpfestor4839 That's dumb

[@LarsOfLegends]

I really wish they would have killed the demon seed, but atleast for now wild should be a bit more playable. This Talgath buff is probably meaningless.

[@impkiller5932]

Nah, it would became the most strongest card for whole year just like Crabatoa.

[@legalizetren]

They didn't even touch hydration station, Dungar, sleep under the stars, or any of druids other problematic cards. Every game in 2000+ legend against druid is an on rails spectator sport where you are watching the druid play the game and hoping they don't pull a turn 6 Exodia board. Apparently, Blizzard is okay with that.

[@N3mdraz]

sleep under the stars was already nefed last patch. Hydration station/ dungar i agree

[@PhukYu2]

I'm tired of this dumb shit too. Like for real.

[@Maverick7613]

@@N3mdraz - SUTS wasn't nerfed enough - not withstanding the absolute joke of how it's broken in Aviana/Ysiel Wild. It's weird... they acknowledge that "ramp" is a core Druid concept... yet they refuse to acknowledge that unless that ability is VERY limited/controlled, it makes Druid far too insanely powerful for most any other class to overcome. That Druids can reliably play a game-breaking 9-mana neutral on Turn 6 where any deck that isn't Pirate Shaman (which just got hit) is still developing hand/board position (and Pirate Shaman doesn't have the on-board power to break the giant taunts Dungar summons - and even if it did, once, Hydration Station means you've got to do it 2 more times - 4 more for UnKilliax - who still didn't get nerfed where it mattered - all the while it's healing the Druid to full for anything you already did to them) makes this a ridiculous situation and I can't for the life of me understand how/why @Blizzard can't see it (or refuses to acknowledge they see it, at least).

[@FireHeartF]

I defeater so many druids, depends on what u play

[@ionnomane]

Check stats and see that the druid isn't all that fly bro. You are either unskilled or salty

[@VenomousMoses]

I like that they at least explained why they hit cluster instead of dungar himself. Like it’s nice to know that they at least had a reason to nerf around him.

[@KaiteWDrey]

Im gonna be honest.... the mini-set will have to pull a LOT of work to make me come back... this meta still sucks, there's no deck that feels even remotely fun to face, every single deck you see on ladder has a card that say "I win fuck you" that being incendius in rogue or shaman, bio-pod in rogue and hunter, wheel of death in warlock, Climactic Necrotic Explosion in DK, cheese + timewarp drago in priesr, Dungar in Druid and many other cards I just cant be bother remembering considering HOW MANY THERE ARE!!!! Every deck feels like a scam deck... if you wanna play any slower and more value oriented strategies you just die because every single class can now just otk out of nowhere for no goddamn reason and if your deck cannot otk with 2 or 3 cards that your deck is not competitive viable.... this meta, this rotation broke me.... I haven't spent a single cent on the game in MONTHS! Ive playing the least I had in YEARS! And I'm basically quitting here and now even if I have an 11 start bonus and haven't reached legend yet cause my fucking good not a SINGLE game feels enjoyable..... playing hearthstone has been nothing but miserably lately and this patch doesn't seem to care about the underlying issue simply because most of those card won't be in standard anymore in a couple months.... there is literally no deck with a 50% winrate or higher that doesn't scams you in any way... NOT! A SINGLE! ONE! this needs to change....

[@FOWST]

Yeah I also enjoy it less and less. I've been working on an amalgam rogue deck though which is rather promising and to me it's fun. Might publish it soon. Basically Amalgam + braingill + lab constructor + shoplifter

[@bakad5458]

im struggling to even finish the battle pass its just so unfun

[@KaiteWDrey]

​@@bakad5458I barely manage to get my weeklies done... and we have still like... 2 months before rotation... I wish they just released the mini-set and say "fuck it the game will die if we leave legends+titans+badlands in standard any longer than this" I love primus but FUCK EVERY SINGLE CARD FROM LAST YEAR

[@zhmyh6599]

i don't think anything will change, not in a way that matters. hearthstone is just an entirely diffirent game now, you either take it or leave it

[@calebhartz]

Meta is pretty bad. So much shit you cant play around. Fukk that otk biopod.

[@tarille1043]

Sonya is dead. "Oh, but you can still copy minions!" means nothing when the only minions you actually cared about copying were ones that gave you 1 cost spells to copy - I.e. Tidepool Pupil, Mixologist and Griftah.

[@olmollmk6681]

Well heartstone reach a point where you can't make a card balance. Is either too strong or completely useless but people who are like "uhhh the balance thus the balznce that" know absolutely nothing about balance... ans they think they know better than the developers..

[@ultimatewinfestation7194]

@olmollmk6681exactly. Power creep has gotten to the point where cards have to be broken in order to see play. I don’t even play standard anymore because playing broken cards over and over again is boring. I mostly stick to Arena despite its flaws as a game mode.

[@davidlovesyeshua]

There's still Scoundrel + Incindius, or just generally Shadowstep/Scoundrel + any 3/4/6 cost minion. E.g. Shadowstepped Valerok, the Scoundrel mini into Arconite Defense Crystal (both getting the dupe)

[@Rcsledge]

The fact that they have to nerf a card so many times just shows they pay very little attention to balance when they design these cards. It's purely about the flash when the cards are released to get you to spend money. Money over just making the cards right in the first place.

[@olmollmk6681]

Of course they are released to spend money like that's the whole point.

[@TheSilverwolf97]

Now you can't Sonya into 1 mana Malgath :/ even when buffing you nerf the card lmao. The card is just badly designed imo, just a worse version of Tar Slick.

[@emtomb]

They should completely rework the Demon Seed to say "Damage taken and health restored also effects the enemy hero"

[@B9Knight]

that is so useless lmfao they'll just heal during progress and kill you when the reward is played unless you meant that healing counts as negative progress then honestly based i want that card killed anyway

[@Bladius_]

They just need to make it copy damage you take, not "instead". Would force it to be a slower control deck, not a turbo combo.

[@Shukulo]

Thank god you're not in charge of developing this game...

[@Desturel]

They are nerfing DK in Arena, but leaving Priest and Paladin without any adjustments? The Priest and Paladin arena pools are absolute garbage. Priest more so than Paladin. I understand the nerf, but they need to adjust the horrible choices on the bad classes as well.

[@StripesZB]

Dammit, my DH Big Colifero deck is now not as good now that Sigil of skydiving has been hit. What do you mean it wasn't competitive in the first place?

[@Desturel]

DH getting the "any class with that shares a card with druid" treatment where your card gets nerfed because of how the other class uses it. See Seabreeze Chalice and Shattered Reflections as examples. 🤣

[@PhukYu2]

@@Desturel Druid and Mage sharing cards is already blasphemy incarnate, mostly because BOTH are capable of profound broken abuse.

[@KnownAsKenji]

Elemental Shaman here, I know the feeling, take a hit whenever Elemental Mage does.

[@PhukYu2]

@@KnownAsKenji I would love that and freeze shaman to actually get to be a thing. (Why would unnerfing snowfall even hurt except jerkfaces who build up giant wide boards mid-late game anyway?)

[@Maverick7613]

So... I just got done playing 10 ranked matches (against 10 completely different decks, which was nice) with my new 40 card TDS deck. Went 7-3. 5 clear, easy wins. 2 really odd concedes from one deck that is strong against Seed (Secret Mage) and one Paladin who had health and board position and just... quit. All 3 losses were 1 turn away from wins. A lucky pirate charge topdeck from DH. Fucking UnKilliax from a Big Druid. And I conceded to Barnabas Druid facing what SHOULD have been lethal... but he ran himself out of mana and didn't trigger his 8/8 spellbursts for the attack power and I didn't see it until I'd already clicked the suicide button. It would have been an interesting next turn, he would have been at 15, but most of my remaining deck was Mass Productions... so, I'd really just need to get one in two tries (draw and tap) to have won. ... I don't think the nerf has done much. No more Darkglare... but that just means running Renathal and more solutions/health gain options. Playing from 40 means I've got 10 more health to start, and the nerf has only cost me 6 (2x3)... so, still net gain.

[@nipkomania]

I don’t even think Sonya was a problem just a bunch of cry babies that hate anything rogue complaining about it too much.

[@dailybestbetswithteemoney3432]

Duh lol

[@lastbestplace8112]

worst comment

[@loudwhispre9406]

Actually the most braindead take I've ever seen anywhere. You'd come across as less stupid if you said you thought Hitler had good policies involving concentration camps.

[@IRDeady]

5:57 I came back to the game after a several year break, everything in this game is insane now. Just so much value and consistency, at least in wild. I don't want to get involved in standard again.

[@QuriouslyCurious]

A minute of silence for Sonya 😢

[@albrown122]

They need to do something about the librams. Having to deal with a 7/7 Silver Hand recruit every turn got annoying. They would just pump up their minions enough to kill both our minions. Zero cost libram of wisdom returns to their hand. Do it again. Give them +3/3 twice. Get it back.

[@filipvadas7602]

1. The fact that they even joke about how Zilliax is the most nerfed card in Hearthstone history 💀 Points for honesty, I guess... 2. Darkglare is the big change for Demon Seed. That card was DISGUSTING 3. The Sonya change probably killed the card tbh 4. Pirate DH finally getting facked is satisfying as hell 5. The Talgath "buff" is utterly meaningless unless the mini-set makes it more powerfull

[@robertlupa8273]

To be fair Zilliax is like 5 cards in one _(which they also point out)._

[@polk7706]

Yeah sonya is dead

[@JorisVDC]

You do earn my support Zeddy. I love your work.

[@WasianGangster]

you’re the last consistent hearthstone content creator, keep doing what you do you’ve cornered a niche

[@fuckyeahnathan1]

The Tourist Mechanic is so problematic. Sigil in Demon Hunter wasn’t an issue anymore after the Treasure Distributor nerf, but it got nerfed because of Shaman now like other cards have been because of Druid. This will severely disadvantage DH in both Standard and Wild formats. Such a shame for my favorite class. Long live Shadow Priest now, I guess.

[@chadgamer6942]

Yes it was?

[@Doom1461]

Oof that darglare nerf. I wonder if it would have been better if it was still a passive effect but was refresh 2 or 3 mana the first time you take damage on your turn. This way the spirit of the card would be intact but you couldn't go infinite.

[@pitvader2]

Rogue, the class that blizz dont know how to deal. Its really bad, but its the best in the crazynest...Only top legends play it so, lets nerf it so one its gonna play it . Nice xD

[@UltiKon]

Already working on the Darkglare video :)

[@rocketw.3944]

Honestly disappointed with the demon seed nerf, doesn't change the deck really at all, should of been reworked and murdered, and if not permanently banned I wouldn't minded either Darkglare nerf was nice but will not matter most likely

[@tarille1043]

Darkglare nerf kills the deck. Without Darkglare, the deck is bottom of T3 at best.

[@olmollmk6681]

I mean every points of damage matter...even if is demon seeds

[@ryanbarry34]

Huh the darkglare nerf is huge and changes the deck completely? The deck is devastated for the time being, until a new broken card is released and healthstone/MP is addressed next.

[@jeffreyliu4531]

druid drops a 9 mana minion that summons 3 other 8/9 mana minion,2 of them are not targetable and you have to kill the zili 4 times, one of them summons 2 other 8 cost minions after it dies, which is 9 mana for a more than 40 mana value, you can never deal with it other than playing cards like Reno(even if you have Reno you probably don't have the mana to play it anyway). that card is way more broken than sonya, at least sonya takes skills to pull it off. and yet it remains untouched, very interesting.

[@elitetv1735]

3:40 kinda frustrating, don’t think this module was too insane, think Killiax need nerf more then the +1/1 module

[@JJV7243]

I'm just surprised that they didn't make Tamsin cost 9 mana - keep everything else the same. Having to play a 9-mana minion (and then, ideally, OTK on 10) is within the power realm of wild.

[@andreumscheid3839]

After some first Matches in Standard after the Nerfs, the Feeling is, as foreseen, pretty much the same. Some of the Broken Decks are a slight, tiny Bit less broken now... Rogue probably got the hardest (still soft) Hit.

[@KnownAsKenji]

So, no changes for a while. Might get painful at some point no matter what, but I hope for the best. glhf guys.

[@niewadzi1996ify]

Crystal Cluster nerf is shit. Now if you play this on curve you can't even ramp by three unless you increase your max mana before. Dumb decision as always.

[@vitormelo3295]

Keep up the good work, Zeddy

[@animegx45]

So now instead of taking 10 damage that gets healed from healthstone, Demon Seed will be 12 damage that's healed with healthstone. It's a shame. It was an otherwise good patch.

[@MrProposa]

i really hope weapon rogue gets popular now! destroying one of the only cards in this game that requires some skill expression is insane

[@ErLeuchten]

iam so happy about darkglare nerf, assuming countless "i rope every turn" quest warlocks are mad rn :)

[@oscarmendoza277]

When will the new mini set be available?

[@hihigocat]

january

[@TheThe-1326]

Glad Horizon’s Edge won’t be draftable in arena. Yesterday I died to three of them at the same on the board. They should at least cut one durability of it.

[@guntotinlefty4107]

“They’re copying my homework!”

[@marcuslobo5765]

Honestly demon seed should have been nerfed to damage both players when you damage yourself. Then they could keep requirements relatively lower

[@BeardGainz]

Ah yes, signature SONYA, I have, which I never played. Sweet 3200 dust.

[@yiyueji]

Hopefully all the other variants of the Demonseeds deck will be slowed down enough for Togwaggle to snatch the entire deck away. I just love making Demonseeds concede every time I successfully Togging their deck away.

[@olmollmk6681]

Well with less mana refresh you might definitely have a chance

[@chadgamer6942]

They just wont reign in the direct damage and it pisses me off charge needs to be nearly removed and replaced with rush in almost every case Spells like oh manager, griftah amulets, sunset volley and most other direct damage cards need to be changed to hit minions only its just not fun to die from hand and every class does it

[@robertlupa8273]

R.I.P. Darkglare. You will not be missed.

[@Satyaembodied]

So the incindious combo with sonya still works so not too bad tbh

[@noooname2568]

Servers going down will be a great day

[@nicocosmos6524]

I disagree, Dungar is fine. Mana ramp is not however and it shouldn't be part of any class identity. If you truly play Dungar for 9 manas then it makes sense you create a big board. The issue is when you "mana cheat" by ramping and playing it on turn 5 or 6.

[@galkanftw]

So next mini set they will add a bunch of OP 1 cost minions I guarantee it.Until then we should see Doll played in Rogue to get those 1 cost minions.

[@WitchHunterRobin]

Woow went from diamond 4 to legend easy, 0 quest warlock it was incredible. And that with my own made reno DH 😂 Big shaman is still an issue though, its definetely the best and most common now, 1 braincell to get legend

[@Mendighoul]

This +1 attack only should happen to most cards that give +1/+1

[@eizhamm4820]

Wishing well is alive at least with sonya

[@ChadMcFresh]

Didnt sonya come when miniturize was introduced? Why did that card ever include spells, weapons and more?

[@Dionisisdenis]

So basically Shaman murdered,rest of the classes are fine and Warlock on standard is better than ever

[@jordanm714]

I will freely admit that I play questlock in wild Not the dark glare version and frankly they could take it to fifteen damage and I'd still play it I will always have a soft spot for that win condition They can make it thirty damage a step and I would still play it And I rather they do that than rework tamsin

[@asherscoffeebeans]

I'll keep saying it... They need to ban Crystallizer in Warlock decks. Makes for an OP 1 drop is the demon seed deck

[@DiabloTommaso]

darkglare and the new heal card are just too good of a combination of cards

[@Deadfiend99]

I don't think devs understand the demon seed it's not that it's too fast which it kind of is it's that it beats soo many decks with no effort and I didn't even think dark glare was needed for that maybe it matters at legend but in casual gameplay fun decks cant even entertain playing against this

[@benjaminpeterson9080]

cycle rogue still cooking

[@prashantgaikwad9808]

Smh don't even see Sonya that often

[@THEpicND]

Watching this trying to avoid the itch to open more packs in Pokemon TCG pocket

[@johnj4471]

Sonia should have been turn limited. 1 cost minion practically kills it.

[@MegaBlobbs]

any1 know what time its released

[@theycallmejojo6090]

Demon Hunter took a hit all because Shaman was abusing that card. They really should have just nerfed pop up book.

[@loudwhispre9406]

Demon Hunter was also spamming Sigil, make no mistake, DH was not innocent. They nerfed that card for a reason, and anyone with half a brain is glad that it got nerfed.

[@evancalgary7684]

i love how none of these changes fix anything but nerf demon hunter for no reason other than shaman op demon seed is still a problem fundamentally so nerf means nothing and sonya will still break the game in some form later down the line so this patch is literally dust refundable cards do quests and log off again till the next patch nothing has changed

[@ChristianMartinez-d8s]

Buck Flizzard! When can we get a new head of design and alike to save this game?

[@Messatsu15]

After patch my 1st matchup in wild was against a bot called "the easy you - DAIZU" with the non other nerfed deck seed warlock. Can u guess who won? The bot.. why? Cuz it's a pre-determined winner game as always..doeant matter what they nerf or buff..the system is the same!!!!

[@Любовь-щ3и7з]

Blizzpigs, where is fix for velen in wild?

[@TurboSax]

Again, high MMR ruins a card for low MMR players. I really loved Sonya and she's not really a problem until you start hitting plat. Also, I hope anyone who outright bought the signature Sonya gets a refund lol

[@BigBigBigJeff]

Oh hell yeah wishing well rogue is still viable

[@Hokeypokey236]

If they didn't retire Reno early, they better not retire zilliax early

[@Cuestrupaster]

Dark Glare is ok now on Zoo Discolock... not saying that the deck is broken...

[@oxtailsoup6493]

Not nerfing ethereal oracle to a 4 mana 2/4 (or something along those lines) was a mistake. Neutrals aren’t supposed to be as strong as class cards.

[@MinoriGaming]

Sometimes it’s a good thing for strong cards to exist. Ethereal Oracle is the glue that helps a lot of the new archetypes continue to exist and function properly. It’s one of the only cards in the set that’s actually *good* and not just *fine.*

[@Emperorhirohito19272]

@@MinoriGaming yeah I generally like the cheap neutral staples we get every once in a while. I think people maybe feel differently about this one because it’s more fast and damagey rather than valuey

[@PauloRicardo-md4ji]

Yes they are lmao. Then nerf Gold panner and that 2/2 Snake oil guy

[@Mindless029]

@@MinoriGamingagreed. Not many cards in the set are good right now. Maybe post rotation then they could hit the card if it gets too strong. But i doubt that.

[@HerbalistGoesPvP]

Why can they rework Reno but not the Demon Seed?

[@Usernameiswarpig]

The people need bob decklists!!

[@Usernameiswarpig]

I feel like saint highlander got neutered a card like bob isn’t gonna see play till the rotation and meta power level drops.

[@Jerome...]

Great, Warlock has so many other viable wild decks anyway, like : and : .

[@victorquintana2095]

Just ban Demon Seed. I hate that stupid deck and card.

[@Sylarko100]

Yea. Otk turn 5 combos are more better...

[@victorquintana2095]

@@Sylarko100 i never said anything was better. I'm just tired of that brainless shit deck,

[@Sylarko100]

You could beat it with shadow priest or any combo deck..

[@Maverick7613]

@@Sylarko100 - Or literally any aggro deck... I play Seed and 10 of my 14 losses are to aggro decks.

[@elbows234]

I mean, they pretty much did. The deck's gonna be real bad now.

[@harryblocks]

Next Nerf For Demon Seed Deal 30 Damage per Questline Stage 😅

[@j8000]

Sonya should be minion or card from other class

[@Bad888Max]

Soo will they give 20 holiday gifts for all😂❤

[@Mellow_DayDream]

Am i the only one who thinks this change isnt affecting demon seed?

[@jacklarsen4]

They would have to nerf like 20+ cards to get my attention again. Ill check out the meta game at rotation i suppose.

[@BrandonIkarosPesoli]

asteroid shaman should have been nerfed. a lot. there is little to no counter to that deck. it just keep drawing meteors + incindius with spell power minion and totem. hope for the next patch they do something about it

[@samurai_8917]

win board/dirty rat dominate that deck, skill issue!

[@BrandonIkarosPesoli]

@@samurai_8917ehhm mister skill issue... not everyone want to play a deck with rat or aggro deck. plus shaman is the stronger class right now and must be nerfed

[@gankfrombush]

Wild will actually be a lot more playable because of these nerfs. THANK YOU. To all the demon seed abusers, enjoy finding a new deck to play. Enjoy your 400 dust

[@Sylarko100]

Demons seed will be playable still even without darkglare. Fatique version. Or giant

[@mantizshrimp]

1600 Dust

[@mantizshrimp]

oh .. plus 2 x 100 from the Darkglare

[@nikoratzu6844]

shadow priest and big shaman are much more oppressive than demon seed xd

[@Sylarko100]

@@nikoratzu6844 yea shadow priest will dominate now or big shaman. So now no 3 op decks , now only 2 will be played

[@Dionisisdenis]

So warlock wasn't touched ,guess finals taught the team nothing,what else is new

[@ninjacreeper541]

Unless the beast belong to rexxar blizzard refuses to buff beasts

[@polk7706]

Cool can they now refund the dust i spent for 4 decks i dedicated around sonya... No?

[@zealouspg5079]

Truest definition of "Oh no! Anyway." for warlock

[@DiabloTommaso]

absolutly not. darkglare was the reason why that deck was stupid

[@asfalt9217]

What the hell are you talking about, darkglare was so stupidly op

[@MinoriGaming]

The deck is optimistically tier 3 trash now lol. Darkglare was absolutely essential.

[@lloleolom]

Scrolls-paladin should be the next to be nerfed...

[@MinoriGaming]

We did it, boys. Rogue is unplayable.

[@jacklarsen4]

Po2 came out, ive been set free.

[@OptimisticRealizer]

Does Hearthstone really want Discovery Hunter and Warlock to be the best decks… 🤨🤨🤨

[@tuantran-me9nz]

ikr Rangari Scout is too good for a 1 mana card

[@Arcticfox030]

Honest i dont care sonya is not nearly as good now the spell part was some of the worst part about dealing with it.

[@fl3xratgame]

they killed sonya :c, now paladin is more rogue than rogue

[@KaiteWDrey]

My guy... have you seen hunter? Hunter is more rogue then rogue ever since discover hunter became a thing....

[@LightRuler003]

@@KaiteWDrey now hunter will be doing Sonya things 😂

[@KaiteWDrey]

​​@@LightRuler003 hunter was already doing worst things than sonya things but it was random... which is arguably worst... if hunter gets the mana discount amulet from Grifta it can do outright disgusting things you have little to no counterplay considering they can back up whatever they do with 2 to 5 secret out their fucking asses.... I loved when in hearthstone you put a special card in your deck for a reason but now it's just a race to see either who pulls the biggest or the most stuff out their ass the fastest.... so fun and interactive /s -_-

[@Lalaland.001]

Can the boar weapon and the automatons be nerved, so we can actually interact with the 15/3 weapon and get those minions back with just one health instead of them just getting bigger on each resurrect it gets. to get mechs at turn 5 or six at 6 to seven health is just plain stupid and not fun at all...

[@chadgamer6942]

Is this satire?

[@samuraipapi]

still no asteroid shaman nerfs BAHAHAH

[@Sylarko100]

Welcome back all combo decks like druid or rouge. Or any shadowpriest. I can finally quit wild...😂 or tell me one good competetive warlock deck after DS nerf. Reno warlock is tier 3 max, 0 chance vs otk/combo decks and vs aggro its still bad...

[@johnj4471]

Removing elusive from zilliax would allow hex etc which is huge. Could even maybe undo another nerf with it but it’s what’s needed.

[@terrariku2010]

The Demon Seed's final reward is frankly just the cherry on top. Self danage Warlock would still be viable without The Demon Seed. All the more reason the card should be reworked and stop being dodged. Grand magister needs to be once per game and so does Shudderwock. Gut these terrible solitaire cards already. And fix Velen devs! Saronite chain gang combo is so broken it necessitates silence.