All New Hornby LBSC 4-Wheel Coaches | Unboxing & Review

[@lukeslocomotives]

If I remember correctly Annie and Clarabel were based on LBSC Stroudley Coaches.

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah I think you're right Luke! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@joesniffin8829]

On TV, yes. In the Railway Series they were based on the larger LMS Suburban coaches.

[@awesometrain77]

@@SamsTrains if you buy the new Hornby E2 can u run it with those LBSC coaches

[@mistermadmachine6311]

Really 😮

[@marcelsmodels]

Yeah they look very similar in the television series, but in the original books they were boogied I think.

[@oakrail8100]

Hatton: makes new pre grouping models Honrby: *and I took that personally*

[@LHoriginal]

Lol

[@SamsTrains]

I know right!!

[@Bennyboi_]

@@SamsTrains 7:21 nice

[@BMMEC6000]

Hey it opens more options for the cheaper people like me. It’s just a shame I can’t find any for sale

[@o.m.b.demolitionenterprise5398]

@@BMMEC6000 They are barely cheaper, and Hatton’s ones are better.

[@pannierprairie7884]

They seem pretty decent models, but I have already pre-ordered some Hattons coaches instead, so I will support Hattons in their endeavors. Anyway, I'd rather discourage Hornby from duplicating everyone else's models!

[@SamsTrains]

That's good to hear - we'll see what happens with that! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@nathanteach7266]

should do a vs vid once there out

[@aidanjoyce5051]

I would love to buy these coaches, they will make a great addition to my layout and might be my first hornby rolling stock.

[@SamsTrains]

I can recommend them Aidan!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@jmtrainz2582]

Wait for the hattons ones to come out, hornby will probably be cheaper in quality.

[@stefanharrison5337]

@@SamsTrains more coaches please

[@aidanjoyce5051]

@@jmtrainz2582 thank you for the suggestion, but where I came from I only buy stuff from ebay or amazon.

[@jmtrainz2582]

Yeah, really only buy from ebay myself, if I end buying them it'll be when they start showing up on the used market.

[@The_RWS_Modeller]

Yeah. You could use those for a custom TVS Annie and Clarabel. I was thinking you could do an engine cavalcade with lots of historic locomotives with coaches and such.

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah you totally could - it'd look fantastic! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@GaryNumeroUno]

Sounds like they have done a 'Boeing'; Just revamped an old model and given it a repaint, add MCAS then trying to pass them off as new!

[@welshrails]

"R40069, nice" - Sam'sTrains 2021

[@SqueezeboxOfDelights]

2000 models in the future we'll have an R42069

[@SamsTrains]

haha, I'm a child! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@billywindsock9597]

Apparently, the coaches were measured by Hattons and Hornby within six weeks of each other. Hattons announced early, Hornby waited until the models were further along the development time line.

[@SamsTrains]

‘That’s absolutely correct’ - how can you know this? The source in question suggested that Hornby’s field work took place in November 2019, *just a month* after the Genesis announcement, the CADs for which were already complete. Despite arriving in stock before much of the 2020 range, they were announced and immediately released as part of the 2021 range, Q1 2021, the same quarter Genesis were due for release. You’re telling me none of this was calculated? Without any *facts* to the contrary, how can you not jump to conclusions?

[@SamsTrains]

Incorrect - I didn't claim that Hornby duplicated them, at no point did I say that... I made a conscious effort *not to say that* . The *point* is that they do it, maybe not always deliberately, and the effect is the same. So I ask, what *statements* did I make without facts? The argument about the 2021 models coming out before 2020 models was intended to show that the coach R&D started after Hatton's... which you have already accepted. As you rightly say, different models progress at different speeds, and the development of these coaches will have been much quicker than that of, let's say, a steam locomotive at about 24 months. This was the core of my argument - that was the exact point I was making. If they *had* been in development for 2-3 years already (as claimed by Simon Kohler), Hornby must have known they'd be ready for release within the next year... so why not announce them in the 2020 range, unless they were deliberately planning a surprise release just ahead of project Genesis? (Edit: I see Pegasus has now changed their mind and accepted the argument, but just to make the point clear) If it wasn't intended as an aggressive surprise release (as above) It's much more likely that the details were still being finalised/designed at the point of the 2020 range launch, preventing the announcement. Again, this strongly suggests that the project *was not* in development for 2-3 years, and could in fact have been started after October 2019. Of course it's a free market - I'm not saying Hornby have broken any rules... my very words were that it was a 'pity' for the smaller manufacturers... that was the point I was making. It is therefore interesting that you find the argument hilarious - could that be because you failed to understand it? Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@SamsTrains]

And just to be clear "In my comment I clearly said that in this case Hornby has duplicated it" - is a lie - you edited the comment after the fact... and I have the screenshots to prove it...unlucky! You can't just change your argument when it's been disproved! xD

[@billywindsock9597]

@@SamsTrains I think the fact that Hornby waited until the coaches were almost ready to sell and before the Hattons models are available has made a lot of people think they were trying to steal the market. Your reviews are always fair and clear. I still struggle with the mechanism/performance scores😂 and everyone knows that the J50 and Webb Coal Tank should be the top two😂, but duplication of rolling stock does seem to be a waste of resources some times. Keep up the entertaining work Sam.

[@leroyholm9075]

Nice range and the colour looks good. With the abundance of small Edwardian & Victorian locomotives now available, these coaches are a valuable and excellent addition. Great review as ever.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks Leroy - yes indeed, great that we're finally seeing some of these! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@lewiscarty5517]

Imagine using these LBSCR Coaches and an E2 Class, like Thomas, against Thomas with Annie and Clarabel on the tracks and see if anyone can do a real life Thomas and the character Thomas around the tracks and have a race of the two.

[@SamsTrains]

Definitely Lewis - I'm going to try that some time!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@awesometrain77]

@@SamsTrains real life vs Thomas ???!!!!

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Nice one Sam! I did a video last month on the 6 wheel LNER teak versions and like you I was impressed. They may not have the best detail we've ever seen but I think they'll be good for those who want them to run behind smaller locos in these pre-grouping liveries. It'll certainly be interesting to see how they compare to the Hattons coaches eventually too. 😃

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh fantastic mate - they're good then? Can't wait to try some for myself! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

@@SamsTrains They're not perfect but I certainly like them. I don't think Hatton's are doing the LNER livery in teak either so that was a good excuse to go for the Hornby ones initially as well - even if they are totally fictional 😂

[@TomPrickVixen]

I can see another lemon in the room: Horby used that awful gold paint again, with the large "particles"!

[@toekneekerching9543]

i think its Humbrols gold or brass, i have noticed Humbrol can be a bit hit and miss when it comes to the large particles. Some of their paints are fantastic but some are really bitty , their flesh acrylic is consistently awful and always dries with a sandpaper texture

[@TomPrickVixen]

@@toekneekerching9543 I don't use Humbrol for ages now, but the Revel's gold is (use to be) OK, (i mostly use Tamya and Life-color but i don't have metal colors from those brands).

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah they did - though I will say this wasn't apparent to the naked eye - only noticed when I looked at the closeups! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@markfiddament9383]

Three and Six wheeled coaches - now 6 wheel is fine - but 3 wheel sound fun...

[@SamsTrains]

haha did I say three?!? Uh oh!! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@Toyota-AE86]

this coaches in Hornby version looks beautiful

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah they are beautiful!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@wakefieldtrainlad340]

I have never been more impressed with coaches in my life! It's the answer to all who (like myself) have pre grouping engines. Just amazing!

[@billywindsock9597]

The Bachmann SECR birdcage set are the best RTR coaches I have seen - so far.

[@SamsTrains]

haha awesome - glad to hear you liked them so much!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@barnabykirk7662]

Sam: Hornby announced some new three and six wheel coaches Me : three wheels? Me : trying to picture what 3 wheeled coaches would look like! 😂 Great video Sam!

[@GaryNumeroUno]

Look at a picture of a Robin Reliant car; that should give you a good impersonation. After all, that's what three rail track is for! Hehehe...

[@SamsTrains]

haha my bad, lol!! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@Madonsteamrailways]

Thank you Sam!! Did you know that the E1 was also used on the Metropolitan Line of London Underground at the time it was the Metropolitan Railway. We have some on the top floor of the London Transport Museum in Covent Garden Market Area.

[@SamsTrains]

I never knew this - that's fascinating!! :O Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@zemcbird2024]

7:20 DAMN SAM BE PULLING OUT THE MEMES FINALLY

[@AbeTheBabe6233]

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[@samspade5962]

Why thank you Jennifer kirk

[@melchestermodelrailway]

What did he do? He just read out the info.

[@SamsTrains]

haha!! ;D

[@AbeTheBabe6233]

@@melchestermodelrailway he read r400069 he said nice after 69

[@Skarloey1865]

I think hornby were working on the coaches before Hatton but I don't know, I would love to get some of the LBSCR coaches to go with my E2 and terrier

[@SamsTrains]

We'll never know for sure! Sounds awesome - they are a perfect match for those! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@willhooker9567]

Nice!

[@GwionRhysDavies]

7:20 "...0069 nice" very subtle there ;)

[@SamsTrains]

haha! ;D

[@edwilson5727]

just spotted elsewhere and amazed and delighted to see LBSC coaches as RTR models! White roofs were apparantly to ensure the cleaning department were doing their jobs (!)

[@CymruJedi]

Great review mate! Really looking forward to seeing the great western coaches 👍 Also, thanks for saying that bit about independent manufacturers at the start. Needed to be said!

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks so much! Yeah the GWR ones look fantastic for sure! I agree, it needed to be said! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@1earedwolf]

I just bought some of these coaches in GNR livery, and I think I found the cause of the stiffness when rolling. After taking the body off I found there are long metal weights on the chassis, and on one of them it has shifted so it was sitting not dead centre but right over the wheel well. Thus in certain situations the wheel would rub against the weight and stop rolling. I moved it back and haven't had a problem since.

[@Jason_The_Stooge]

This might be the last video I watch before I die of hypothermia. All the power around us is out

[@generalgrievous5615]

Godspeed my guy

[@SamsTrains]

Oh god! Stay warm mate - hope it's fixed soon!! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@willhooker9567]

R.I.P. Jason He was very loved, and died an honorable death watching Sam review new coaches. May he rest forever in eternal peace.

[@Jason_The_Stooge]

Thanks everyone

[@willhooker9567]

@@Jason_The_Stooge sure

[@edwardallen4051]

Just picked up 1st, 2x3rd and Brake LB&SCR with lighting from Model Railways Direct for 21.75 each, very happy with them.

[@agentfalcon05]

Hey sam, I am really curious what the first model train you bought/owned and do you still have it?

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah!! It was the Caledonian Pug (I got it for Christmas) and sure I still have it! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@vincentmorris8431]

Very nice. :) As others said, this type is featured heavily in Thomas, but here's a bit of history: Season 1: Several orange variants (all 3 types in this video) appeared as branchline coaches, though the brake compartments were rather flatted. Some had faces and Annie & Clarabel had names on their sides. Though in the Railway Series, Annie & Clarabel have bogies (likely LMS suburbans) though I kinda prefer how they're LBSC in the show as Thomas is himself. Season 2: The orange ones were still used, but they also introduced red ones with more accurate brake compartments - which later became the norm by S3 and Annie & Clarabel were the only orange ones left. In late CGI, these were shown on both branch line engines (like Edward) but also on the main line behind James and even Henry

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks Vincent, appreciate all the info on this! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@Ben-Likes-Trains]

Lovey looking models, wish some one would do 4 wheeled coaches in N gauge as I would definitely buy them-Ben

[@johnd8892]

Graham Farish did four wheelers in the seventies. May still turn up for auction etc. Not up to modern standards.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot Ben - would be interesting to see these in N gauge! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@paulp1276]

During the recent online Warley Show I was able to ask the Bachman boss if they planned any N gauge versions of these sort of coaches, he looked a bit cagey and said not until there is a demand for them ... well clearly there will be a demand, now that oo modellers have them. So come on Farish/Dapol let’s see what you can do!

[@atlantaman]

I understand there was a spat between Hornby and Rails (which led to Rails no longer stocking Hornby) based on some alleged dispute over a forthcoming model Rails wanted to produce but Hornby also went ahead with the same, by way of competition. If true, one could argue either that free competition is acceptable or that muscling in on smaller competitors isn’t right. I lean toward the latter. For that reason, if I buy some of these types of coaches, they will be genius, even though I have no great affection for Hatton’s. And Sam, based on your thorough, and IMHO humble opinion, accurate review of the Dapol Terrier and also the Dapol’s water tower debacle, I concluded its QA/QC is poor and resolved to never buy its products, cancelling the pre-order I had for the Stroudley. A candid review of models is what we need, especially as prices now suggest we’re being gouged (are you listening, Bachmann?) The magazines don’t provide that service because - who pays the piper calls the tune. So, good for you Sam - keep it up.

[@SamsTrains]

They certainly weren't very pleased with each-other - though I don't know whether or not that was the reason they no longer do business. I'll be very interested to see what the Genesis coaches are like - I've only seen the samples so far, so while I do have a good idea, I won't draw a conclusion until I've received my order! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@Ethan-jc2nx]

Having a locomotive pulling these coaches just looks amazing and hi

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah I agree - and hi!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@SuperJ333]

The 4-wheel and 6-wheel coaches with lights are absolutely awesome - for a few pounds more I don't know why anyone would buy them without lights...

[@LleshGordon2122]

Hi Sam's train these are looking this, alos incredible 3 coaches I've seen bit of Thomas's coaches

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks Llesh - yeah they do look like Thomas' coaches! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@LleshGordon2122]

Yes sam it is.

[@pmor07]

Fully agree with you Sam that to keep the hobby growing we need a wide variety of models to cater for everyone. For instance I grew up travelling on the lovely Class 304 EMU's into Manchester Piccadilly. I've never seen a model of one unfortunately, but still remember the big bouncy seats lol !

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot mate yeah you're right... fingers crossed for a 304 one day... complete with bouncy seats!! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@azuma7628]

Meanwhile Jenny Kirk is like no no no Hornby spent years developing their models they don't steal ideas.

[@azuma7628]

I am not trying to offend Jenny.

[@SamsTrains]

That's okay - Jenny has a much closer relationship with Hornby than I do. I pay for my models, so I'm not afraid to speak my mind! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@cbrooks122000]

@@SamsTrains That is why your reviews are so useful, you tell the truth. I have watched so many reviews where they tell me the loco is good, only to find out it not so good when I buy it. If you say a loco is good, it generally is.

[@GothicSteamEngine96]

I've got some of the Hornby coaches, BR versions, look great, and the lighting system is quite a revolution in DC working lights. I think Jenny Kirk put it best when She did her review. Rather complimenting each other than competing each other. I think too both companies are filling a gap in the market that has been said before by others that there was no market for these coaches. I'd imagine the Hatton's variant will be more detailed and will have an advantage with the announced SDJR coaches, but in terms of competition I just think it's something a little bit inflated. Now in my opinion, OK yeah Hornby have announced some products at the same time as Rails, but for other products on the market you could apply that competitive mindset to Bachmann who have made models that Hornby have made before like the A4s and 9Fs; models that Hornby have championed for decades! or the large praries that dapol have announced, why are people not complaining about those? or what about everyone who has made at least ONE mk1 coach in their time of being in business??? It just annoys me now that I hear about some supposed rivalry between companies, and if one company doesn't want to deal with the other because they're annoyed at them for supposedly copying them, so be it (eg. Rails vs Hornby). Maybe someone will tell me I'm thinking too much, and even though I have been a bit worried about the supposed clash that could happen between Hornby and Hattons, I can't help but to open my mind at the idea that it might not be the case. I suppose we just have to find out which road whichever side chooses to take this.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot for sharing! No, I don't think that's quite accurate - for most people, the two ranges fill the same gap in the market, and therefore they have to be competing products. The A4s and 9fs are very different - the prototypes are world famous, and the models were produced and released years apart from each-other. The story isn't the same with these coaches - the two ranges are so similar, comparatively niche, and yet they're arriving in the same quarter as each other. An ex-Hornby employee claims that Hornby started surveying their Stroudley coaches *the month after* Hatton's made their announcement... it seems very unlikely that Hornby were not motivated by Genesis in any way. People aren't complaining about Dapol's large prairie because *Dapol announced it a year before Hornby did* ;) Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@gkjsooley]

Maybe Hornby could use their massive resources to build decent quality models...

[@SamsTrains]

haha that would be nice too Kenneth! xD Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@mikewoods4177]

Hi Sam just as an aside and if you didn’t know those disc wheels were common on old coaching stock they were remade up of sectional wooden centres I believe bolted together with an iron or steel ring. They are called Mansell wheels and were supposed to provide a more comfortable ride some were finished with varnished wooden centres.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot for the info on those Mike, appreciate it! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@tim04]

I’d rather wait for the genius’s ones. For some reason these coaches look cheap

[@SamsTrains]

I don't blame you Tim - that's because they are pretty cheaply made... overall effective, but the value isn't excellent! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@vartvoon44]

Fun-ish fact: Bachmann basically already produced LBSC 4-wheel coaches. Technically anyway, on the Thomas and Friends Range, when they produced the red branchline coaches. Anyway nice review Sam!

[@SamsTrains]

That is true actually - though they're not as detailed as these! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@vartvoon44]

@@SamsTrains true, just thought I would point that out.

[@bjoe385]

7:21.

[@SamsTrains]

Nice! ;D

[@Gooner-1971]

I’m a big fan of the Era 2 stuff, so was very pleased when Hornby released the NBR coaches to go with my NBR loco “Maude”. I must say the lighting system works brilliantly and looks fantastic- well worth the extra few quid - can be retro fitted too which is great as an upgrade 👍 thanks Sam - great review as always 🚂

[@SamsTrains]

Great to hear that - yes it's amazing to finally have coaches for these lovely locos! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@mmerpremm]

I got here in like the 1st 3 seconds

[@railfano172]

Nope

[@SamsTrains]

haha well done!! Very early this time mate! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@lewiscartwright3609]

@@SamsTrains hi Sam I Started my Small locomotive collection by purchasing second hand Models and I am saving up to get my mainline Erlestoke Manor repaired and to buy the Hornby hush hush the one that hornby first released

[@jorodo299]

Thanks Sam. For your next servicing video I can recommend picking up some needle nose tweezers - they make it much easier to pick up that hair / errant piece of debris than normal tweezers do.

[@SamsTrains]

That's a good idea - I'll look into some, thanks! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@kevinhale9400]

No, Sam, you're not a cretin and I do agree that Hornby is being selfish by duplicating the four-wheel range. Why don't they, instead, develop a range of vintage coaches that hasn't been produced before, such as the toplight coaches, dreadnoughts or even the arc roof variety. There are so many styles out there. Hornby are not showing any sort of inventive or brave skills by just copying everyone else and yes, they are damaging the industry. Come on Hornby, show some backbone and get your undoubted marketing and engineering skills working on projects that will really get the modelling hobby up and running to new heights. Sam, you said yourself how gorgeous the clerestory coaches were and there are so many more beautiful liveries out there. Sorry about the rant, lol.

[@tmcg972]

Your first 2:15 of this video sums up the situation perfectly!

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot mate, glad you approve! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@DJ_K666]

Wow these look nice. Probably intended as a replacement for the old generic 4 wheelers, which were based loosely on the Dorset Central railway (later S&D) 3 sompartment 3 wheel coach. I think they've also gone for the Ratio type coaches whcih I have to finish mine off lol. I reckon Hornby have rushed these out but really I think people are just as likely to buy a couple of each, these and Genesis coaches so really it does give a good bit of choice. I might pick some up myself if Warley returns this year.

[@azuma7628]

Love how you are always so honest with your reviews.

[@SamsTrains]

Thank you! I try my best! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@kevinludlow7561]

I've taken delivery of the 4 wheel BR brake baggage coach and a 6 wheel BR 3rd class, they do look good and will be rolling behind among others a Hattons P class. The quality is pretty good the main criticism was a squeaky set of middle wheels on the 6 wheel coach, a dab of oil cured it. I had pre-ordered two Southern Railways, but the order has been cancelled they seem to have been put back until later in the year or sold out. (already?). However, I am still going with Hattons for their LB&SCR and SECR coaches, as you said it will be interesting to compare the two, the smaller companies should play their cards closer to the chest or risk being victims of a large company juggernaut.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks for sharing Kevin! interesting about the 6-wheeler - I'll have to look out for any squeaking when I get mine! Sounds good - it will be very interesting to compare the two! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@adamwilliams192]

Hi Sam, another cracking video thanks 👍 I am inclined to agree with your view on duplication of product ranges. I only have experience in N gauge, but in general when one manufacture announces a direct competition product against another in N, one will back down. Some notable exceptions are when there is enough of the prototype to cover many variations (the class 66 is a classic example), but annoyingly we have recently seen two manufactures covering the exact same loco!

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks so much Adam - yeah we've seen a fair bit of that happening too, though that's not the case here! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@phil36310]

Hi Sam, Lovely coaches and the livery is well done. A tat expensive seen the Roco 4 wheel "Donnerbüshe" with far more detail cost around 17€. But we observe dramatic price ++ changes now for most model railroad products. Competition is not necessary negative and might influence pricing. Thanks for reviewing & greetings

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot Filip - yes too expensive really for what they are - maybe you're right about the competition... maybe the Hornby terriers would have been more expensive if not? Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@Cosmicsoty]

I'll say these are the ultimate favorite coaches I'll buy these when i start my model railway.

[@SamsTrains]

Awesome!! Sounds like a plan! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@AdiPullen]

Lner 6 wheeled ones are fantastic too

[@tico360]

These would go great with a terrier, I wrote this before you showed the terrier pulling them. But they would look good with the lbsc marsh umber liveried terriers

[@SamsTrains]

haha they certainly did do!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@TomDavias]

I have the LBSC ones, the baggage van, first class, third class and brake coach in my possession, they all look truly wonderful ☺️ It's nice to be able to have some more realistic carriages, though I'm interested in seeing the 6 wheel version from Hattons

[@SamsTrains]

Great to hear that Tom - yes they do look wonderful in a rake don't they?! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@Mason58654]

I think the competition strengthens the variety of choices in OO gauge, especially Bachmann who really crank out some nice pre-grouping models!

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah that's true, provided the competing companies mutually survive... particularly if one is much larger than the other! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@AlanZHG01]

Love These Coaches Looks Very Old Fashioned, Detail Looks Insane And Glad You Got Plenty Of London And Brighton South Coast Railway (LBSC) Locos And Very Suit Them

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah me too Alan - loving all the old fashioned coaches! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@aleopardstail]

they do look pretty nice, touch of weathering on the roof and underframe just to bring the details out and I could see actually liking a rake of these, don't look hard to fit lights too and a bit of paint would hide the raised floor bit

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah for sure - bit of weathering would make a huge difference! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@DangerAngelous]

When the Hatton's ones come out you've got to compare the same body styles, their 4- and 6-wheel chassis(mainly the 6), the lighting, their respective versions of the same liveries and the variety of overall available options

[@SamsTrains]

Definitely! I'll be sure to do that!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@selwynlawton7939]

Hey Sam, can't wait for my Hattons Genesis Coaches...I expect they will be of superior Quality. Thanks for your very informative review.

[@SamsTrains]

Sounds good mate - I expect so too, but can't say it for sure until I've received my production version... fallen into the trap of drawing conclusions from pre-production samples before! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@twonkfieldrailways4110]

I'm still considering these though I just finished a ratio 4 wheeler kit before they were announced. But I like the idea of having a mix of different 4 wheeler designs as there were in real life even within a railway itself. I think itd be nice to see each model company do their own version of coach. Also I believe that the hornby ones are pretty much lbscr designs but they just decided to release them in multiple liverys because of hattons so you can tell as they have the quite distinctive ends on the brake coach. Great video can't wait to see the rest of the 4/6 wheelers.

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh that's bad luck mate - yeah that's true, not bad to have the two different designs out there I suppose!! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@joelightrailway2362]

Excellent review of the new Hornby LBSCR four wheel coaches 👍👍 I was also surprised that Hornby was going to do these four as well six wheel coaches and I couldn’t believe that they (Hornby) were going to do them. I was thinking of Hatton’s reaction when Hornby announce that they were going to do the same design carriages. I’ve also went for the LBSC livery carriages and I’m not waiting for mine to arrive, but excited to run them with my LBSC Terrier (from Hornby) on my layout.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks so much Joe - yes it was a shock release, particularly for Hatton's. Just got to wait and see how Genesis turns out now! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@AlvaroCC-qq3uz]

Good one bro they look like the branch line coaches in Thomas and friends

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah they do actually - just like them in fact! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@IKB1967]

Bought three today to go with my LB&SCR engines. I agree these are good, though not sure I agree about Hornby stamping on smaller companies, given the lead time it takes to get them to market. If Hornby had been making a lot of profit over the years then I may agree that they are overpriced, however they haven't been, and I am quite happy to pay the price being asked. Really nice to have some LB&SCR coaches, to go with my engines (-:

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh fantastic! Not sure about that - ex Hornby employee claims that Hornby went to measure the 4 wheel prototype a month after the Genesis announcement. They say a locomotive takes 2 years to develop... I don't have any trouble believing the largest manufacturer in the industry could turn these basic coaches around in 15 months! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@nathanbowers6364]

I will be mixing and matching with the Hattons' ones. One 6w Hornby with a couple of Hattons 4w for my Isle Of Wight layout.

[@SamsTrains]

Me too Nathan - sounds like a plan! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@Jay1330]

They look lovely and some LNER six wheelers might look nice behind my J11 (ignore the fact it’s in BR black), though I am a bit worried with this trend of Hornby copying others, let’s just hope these were coincidences

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah absolutely - the J11 is a great call actually! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@BMMEC6000]

I know people are mad about the competing between Hattons and Hornby but I’m not. I’m one of those people who like the fact that there are choices. There are only three Stroudly coaches that are available (to my knowledge). The new Hornby ones, the Hattons ones and the Bachman Thomas and friends coaches. Two of which are available in American and one of them is only one color. So I love the fact that we have multiple options for Stroudly coaches.

[@SamsTrains]

That's fair enough - thanks a lot for sharing! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@BMMEC6000]

I stand corrected because I was able to buy one off of eBay. All three are available. Although I’m not quite so sure about Hattons....

[@timbo12021]

I've got a 3rd class and 3rd class brake, both in GWR livery, both with lighting. Looks really nice being pulled by my bachman Gwr 8750 pannier tank. Need a baggage and a first class but they look the part.

[@SamsTrains]

That sounds great Tim, glad to hear they look good! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@warrensmall670]

My goodness, these look amazing! I'm so glad that there are now more Stroudly Coaches on the market than the one bachmann make for the thomas and friends range. Don't get me wrong, their awesome, but it's just nice to have another option.

[@SamsTrains]

They do indeed Warren - it is great to finally see these isn't it?! Much better than Bachmann's, that's for sure! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@Sodor156]

Loved the color and painted detail on these coaches. If you ever review the LBSC 70 Thomas, you gotta have him pull these coaches during the running session. :)

[@SamsTrains]

Me too - very nicely painted aren't they?! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@leroyholm9075]

Looked up some of the others in the range: Impressed with the GWR LNWR SR & NBR. No Midland Railway? but Hattons seem to have that covered.

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah there's a great selection - maybe more liveries will follow I guess? Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@adammac.1342]

I haven’t watched your channel in December but I’m back now!

[@SamsTrains]

Welcome back Adam! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@trainzville9237]

Hello Sam, long time no see. That is a wonderful review on the brand new Hornby LBSC 4 Wheeled Coaches. These coaches do look like the real full size ones. They are Stroudley 4-wheeled coaches built by William Stroudley, who also built the A1x Terriers. I'm planning to get the full set for my Hornby A1x Terrier Stepney very soon. Once again, a magnificent review and I respect your opinion. 5 Stars 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟 10/10

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks so much Jordan, thanks for sharing! Sounds great - hope you enjoy them! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@lionelsteuartfothringham4412]

I’ve ordered some NBR ones as “through coaches” for my Caledonian Railway set-up. Not feeling guilty about that, though, as Hatton’s have never announced any NBR livery. I’m swithering over what to do about the LNWR “through” coaches, though, as both Hornby and Hatton’s have announced them and they’re both due very soon... It’s great to see the Hornby coaches, though, Sam - thank you for that.

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh sounds fantastic - hope you really enjoy yours! Only time will tell on which turns out better!! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@the_autism_express]

I am willing to make two guesses about this coaches. 1: these are part of the railway range (and therefore, are more expensive) 2: they aren't on Amazon yet

[@SamsTrains]

haha yep - right on 1, and probably right on 2! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@lachd2261]

These are nice. I’ve still got the Hattons ones on preorder as they are the only ones doing the LMS livery at the moment. To me it looks like Hornby were originally going to make Stroudley Coaches for their Terriers, but then they spotted what Hattons were doing and went generic. It’s disappointing that they did this because Southern region modellers could have had some detailed prototypical pre-grouping coaches. All this said, I think it’s great that the big manufacturers are finally doing these pre-grouping coaches. When I took up the hobby I was really surprised to see that the only RTR 4 wheel coaches on the market were those ugly Hornby ones with old tooling. Not exactly inspiring! Not all of us have a gigantic layout to run a rake of the 57ft coaches. A small tank engine with some 4 or 6 wheelers is not only cheaper, but it’ll look great on a small layout like mine. Kudos to both Hattons and Hornby for (belatedly) making a lot of modellers dreams come true.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks Lach - yes you could be right there, that sounds very likely! It is good to see pre-grouping coaches at last though - it's like waiting for a bus! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@jamesgilbart148]

Interesting review. A head-to-head comparison with the Genesis coaches would be interesting. I agree with your comment - Hornby should stop trying to duplicate smaller manufacturers' new products and really do something different - perhaps some authentic early coaches rather than generic ones?

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks very much - yeah it will be, I might do something along those lines! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@matthorn9209]

Considering getting the lner rack, but I don't have large amounts of money and don't intend to get anything until the end of the year, so I'll wait until hattons coaches come out and see how they compare. Fantastic review as all was Sam keep up the good work!

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh that's fair enough Matt - yeah no harm in waiting at all, best to know where you stand! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@jinkwon8410]

Haven’t clicked on a video this fast since then Hatton’s Genesis coaches. So beautiful, these coaches are. Them and Henrietta are tied with my favorite passenger rolling stock. Also, you should’ve gotten the LBSC E2 to pull these coaches. It would’ve been like Thomas is pulling Annie, Clarabel, and a new name I just came up with, Bethany :)

[@SamsTrains]

haha thanks a lot Jin - yeah they are beautiful aren't they? Great thought on the E2! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@penjunction]

You should/must get a dappol class 68 especially tpe there's something about that livery

[@SamsTrains]

I've heard they're really good - I'll have to try one some time! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@nickgeisel9600]

i always love the LBSC E2 but to see these coaches would look wonderful

[@SamsTrains]

Me too! I think that too! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@georgewolf7063]

Woohoo! Those coaches look absolutely gorgeous behind your terrier, there! And don't feel bad! I've had beautiful "American" 4-4-0's for decades, and only got matching coaches for each just last year! >.> Now I suddenly want to get some pre-grouping British trains!

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot George - yeah they really do don't they?! I don't blame you for that! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@lapiswake6583]

"R40069, nice." hehe They look nice, although a bit basic for a £30 price tag. I'm tempted by some, although not sure which livery: LBSCR for the old tooled improved engine green terrier, LNWR to go with the coal tank, SR green to go with the BR malachite green terrier, or something else. I'd get a mix of types, without lights, but I'm also interested in some hattons ones too for comparison. My dapol TPE 68 arrived today, is a little noisy on DC before running in though. And also an EWS 37/4, 411 Ty Hafan also arrived as my 7th 37/4 and my 12th bachmann 37.

[@SamsTrains]

haha nice! Yeah I agree, too basic for what they cost, but great looking overall! That sounds good - hopefully it'll get a bit quieter with time?! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@talesfromsodor]

Missed opportunity was having the E2 pull these, as they are no doubt the basis for the branch line coaches that first appear in season 3 of Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends.

[@SamsTrains]

You're right - plenty of time for that though!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@BMMEC6000]

I finally bought one of these. I bought a first class coach off of eBay and After looking at it I can’t seem to find that issue with the oil lamp caps. maybe the eBay seller found it and fixed it? I’m not sure but it’s possible. So far I haven’t experienced any problems with mine yet. Would definitely recommend it to anyone who wants Stroudly coaches but doesn’t want to 1. Wait for the Hatton’s ones or 2. Doesn’t have the budget for the Hattons ones.

[@SamsTrains]

Very nice! They're not all forced to have that issue - it's just something I noticed with mine! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@BMMEC6000]

@@SamsTrains by the way when do you think you’ll be doing the review on the Hornby Terrier. I’m very interested in hearing your opinion

[@Britishbricks]

I’ve got those exact three... just in LEGO

[@SamsTrains]

haha that's awesome!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@SteveZodiac777]

I've just received two of the 4 wheel GNR coaches with lights and I think they're fantastic! It's a bit awkward with Hattons though but I've two GWRs on preorder with them so I don't feel too bad!

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh sounds great Darrel - sure, whatever you enjoy the most! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@davesherwood2575]

Nice coaches you really did them justice in your review as you always do sam dave

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks very much Dave, glad you thought so! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@mitchellhogg4627]

I've already got a pre-order for one of hattons' 6 wheeled coaches to complete an lner sleeper train I've been working on for some time now, saves me having to buy a kit and I've got faith in them so I'm gonna stick with hattons on this one

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh sounds fantastic Mitchell, hopefully they're good! I have plenty of those on order too! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@jasonjohnson892]

Beautiful coaches. They run nice behind LBSC locos. Can't wait foe the three wheeled versions😀

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks Jason - me too!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@Madonsteamrailways]

Good afternoon Sam!! I’m glad that Hornby have done this. I’m hoping that yours are the lit ones rather than just coaches.

[@SamsTrains]

Afternoon! Mine are just the coaches - I can fit better lights myself much more cheaply if I want... and mine would be powered through the track! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@atlantaman]

@@SamsTrains I did wonder why track power wasn’t used for lights. Constant replacing of those little batteries will get tedious, boring, expensive and likely slowly damage the components’ fit through repeated dismantling and reassembly. A bit of a downer, imho.

[@johnylitalo4163]

You should use them for Annie & Clarabel & the branchline coaches from Thomas & Friends.

[@SamsTrains]

Great idea! They'd be perfect for that!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@wellsworthflyer2924]

I think the key difference between these and the Hattons one's are that the Hornby coaches are "Generic" (Which is how Hornby, themselves, described them). Meaning that every livery will have the same design, and will be less accurate in terms of design. The Hattons one's will have more accurate designs to fit each livery. So there's still enough differences between them for a consumer. (My apologies if you covered this in your review, by the way, I was in Discord while watching this video, so people were talking over you.) Great review, Sam!

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks for sharing! Both coach ranges are generic - the same is true of both ranges. Hornby's are less generic, as they're strongly influenced by the Stroudley design, but Hatton's aren't designing different coaches for every livery! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@wellsworthflyer2924]

@@SamsTrains I understand now. Thanks for clearing that up. I think I'll try and get three or four then. They'd go well with the Hornby SE&CR H class I just got.

[@DoubleX8620]

These coaches look absolutely beautiful 🥰 just like you said they are simple but very effective. The wheels are very interesting. The price also seems decent. The quality is top notch. I can definitely with your rating. I would maybe give the value 3.5 since the paint looks very good to me. Nice review, Sam 👍

[@SamsTrains]

They are indeed! I love the wheels too!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@thestandardfour0699]

I love these coaches, I have a hornby stepney (not the thomas one) Which will look lovely with it! Thanks Sam. Keep up the good work!

[@SamsTrains]

That's awesome - hope you enjoy them if you get some! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@thestandardfour0699]

Thanks for replying!

[@andrewshearsby8125]

Love the orange and Navy versions might get a set for my Bachmann Edward, he deserves them.

[@SamsTrains]

Sounds fantastic Andrew, those would look great with Edward! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@garrymartin6474]

You can ride in 4 wheeler coaches hauled by a Terrier on the Isle of Wight steam railway, an experience I can recommend !

[@SamsTrains]

That'd be incredible Garry, I'd really enjoy that! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@richardlee653]

Concerning the fact that Hornby are in competition with Hattons, if you want to represent 2 pre-grouping companies, it is nice to have slightly different coaches for them. I have already ordered Hattons coaches in SECR livery, and am likely to go for Hornby coaches in LBSCR livery. Edit: I looks to me as if the Hornby ones look more like the Stroudley (LBSCR) 4 wheel coaches than the Hattons ones.

[@SamsTrains]

Yes that's absolutely right Richard - that's the silver lining isn't it? Hornby's are indeed heavily based on the Stroudley coaches! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@sam-yo9gd]

wow, they look Fantastic! Great video Sam

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks Sam, glad you liked them! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@HarryC_640]

Great review Sam! I’m looking forward to seeing more variations of these coaches. I’m interested in seeing which version between Hattons and Hornby is better and which is better value before I order any. Do you know when the Genesis coaches are being released? Hope you’re well!

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks very much Harry - I'm really interested to see what they're like too! I think they said Q1 2021, so hopefully not too long! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@brianmicky7596]

Hi Sam, Nice review as always , like the coaches (very envious ) not got any LBSC , All the Best Brian 🤗

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot Brian - ahh might be time to change that mate!! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@DC4260Productions]

It's a little weird seeing the E4 on screen, seeing as I have that exact same model displayed on my shelf (along with an A1 Terrier, L&YR Class 5 and a Class 153). As for the coaches, I'll probably try to get some for myself eventually, seeing as I have two LB&SCR locomotives.

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh fantastic - lucky you having one too - they're amazing! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@lesbird2074]

With any luck there will be slight variations between the Hornby coaches and those from Hattons which will make it worth using both, Of course, that will only work if both manufacturers use the same shades of paint!

[@SamsTrains]

There are indeed - Hornby's are based on Stroudley coaches, and Hatton's are a bit more generic! Thanks for watching - Sam :)