All your faves are trash and that's ok...

[@Aidan_ODonnell]

“Whichever name is most appropriate” I think we’re at the stage where we can just start calling him Sean Combs

[@LessGo7921]

P Diddly

[@marquee-moon]

Seeing as that's how it'll appear in court

[@ProjectileGrommet]

Puff Puff Harass

[@HipsterShiningArmor]

and soon enough itll be convict bunchanumbers

[@crasyman101]

The Diddler

[@Varooooooom]

300 years from now: FD Signifier was a great KZbinr, and he used the power of the early internet to spread conscious, thought-provoking content about the sociopolitical complexities of the time and make it accessible to a wide audience… …but did you know he ate meat even though vegetarian options were readily available? Yikes!

[@curiouscomplex290]

😭😭😭😭😭

[@loveheals6184]

😂😂😂As a Black/Africana vegetarian woman, I approve this message... on the strength of how many of the self-important amongst us will foam at the mouth over this comment 🤣🤣

[@Robstafarian]

Present Day: "FD Signifier does excellent work with a dedication matched only by his charisma, but that man plays Eddie."

[@feetenjoyer365]

🤣🤣

[@Tsukuyomi500]

That’s if humans are even going to be around by then..

[@doriandenard5846]

It's imperative to never put people on pedestals. It's not necessarily a Black issue... it's the Messiah Mentality: making flawed individuals because of their perceived influence deities.

[@rorschachroach]

Who said it was a black issue

[@jameseglavin4]

Great Man Theory

[@RevShifty]

This is why I'm so glad I discovered the punk scene so young. I've never had heroes or idols, just inspirations. I've never once forgotten that whoever I'm currently enjoying is still just a person, as flawed and prone to failure as anyone else. And I've never forgotten just how much money and power can corrupt even otherwise good people. It's great to give cultural movers their spotlight. It's great to help amplify them, when appropriate. You just can't ever forget about the rest of the package, or elevate them above anyone else.

[@jdkingsley6543]

Sheep & Shepard complex

[@zaicustis]

Was just saying this

[@DjViceroy]

Bell Hooks was also a landlord who talked about not receiving the respect a landlord is due from the hired help.

[@vee8648]

🤦‍♂️🤦‍♀️🤦

[@rachaeldelvaille3886]

😭😭😭😭🤷🏾‍♀️

[@oh-him]

It's a problem of consumption as activism. If your activism is entirely comprised of listening to KZbinr X or having shows Y and Z on your Netflix "to watch" queue, then it's dependent on the public image of the people creating it. The moment the public image of your "activist" is compromised, so is your "activism".

[@LydiaTaylorMusic]

Well i think it's mostly just that when a figurehead of a movement turns out to be trash then it brings the whole movement into question. We don't want bad apples spoiling our freedom fighting lol.

[@zucchinigreen]

Cosign. I remember during the Black lives matter movement when white people suddenly realized critical race theory exists. You can't consume your way to morality, no matter how many books you have or how many people you put on a pedestal. You have to do the work. Your consumerism will never be a perfect reflection of your moral goodness.

[@nickalotdegit]

This. This is exactly the reason why it saddens me that I have to explain why I'm aboard a "White Allyship" journey in the first place. I've had to explain, in a formal setting, to my Boss, why I'm making any kind of effort in this regard. I'm still not sure how to explain it to my family, while avoiding any kind of "yeah, so?" reaction. Sad times.

[@AmandaTroutman]

+1

[@CH4R10T_TV]

This comment cooked tbh!

[@lilbilliam]

Thank you. Between you and Herby, this convo was much needed and overdue

[@Renegade-kf8fp]

We need a video on how the culture tried to destroy Roddy ricch

[@babykosh5415]

"Puffy and Diddy " are too cute. We need to start calling this cat Sean Combs

[@connorqr]

“puffy” def too cute, but for some reason “diddy” honestly sounds like some evil abuser pdf name

[@weirdofromhalo]

​@@connorqr It's close to "diddler."

[@alesk825]

(My) Generation Z is badly struck by this moral absolutism. Often worry we will run out of people to look up to and for no good reason.

[@PharadayCage]

Señor Signifier, thank you for pixelating the video of PD attacking Cassie. I’m a survivor of domestic violence, and stumbling on an unedited copy of that video made the past few days pretty shit. Appreciate you.

[@kcbh24]

There you go, idolizing people, again.

[@biteofdog]

@@kcbh24 Are you victim blaming?

[@kcbh24]

@@biteofdog you're a real somethin'. 😂

[@KarlMySuitcase]

Yeah I had to give my wife a heads up to not click on any Diddy related videos for that same reason.

[@PharadayCage]

@@KarlMySuitcase thanks for doing that for her. My son and husband would have if they had known.

[@terrylovesyogurt5983]

Kendrick said I am NOT your savior!!! Celebrities won't save us

[@terrellwilliams1208]

That's what I like about the whole him and Drake situation

[@thedavisdimension]

Not everybody sat down and listened to the album to really grasp that. Like that’s literally his best album now imo.

[@seamusburke639]

Charles Barkley said "I am not a role model" and that's the realest shit ever.

[@michaeltalksanime]

The Storyteller once said "fall in love with the idea and not the person" that always stuck with me.

[@futureshocked]

Focault's pedophilia take was...like you HAVE to watch it (there's a video of a debate he's having about the issue in France at the time) because HE GIVES AWAY THE GAMEEEE. Like he's SO UNABASHED about it that he gives away the game! His whole point was actually "this wasn't a problem yesterday, how am I a monster today?". What he's alluding to was that it was SO COMMON. Like, that's the ick to take away from it. You have to put 2 + 2 together about how these conservatives are passing all these weird age-lowering laws for marriage.

[@wonder-witch]

This is the first I’m hearing about all this and I’m scared to search it up 😭😭 Do you know the name of this video so I don’t have to awkward type “Focault pdf file” on google/youtube???

[@justkiet]

"All My Heroes Are Cornballs"

[@SuperDrawBot]

PEGGY begging on his knees to work with Kanye was some clown shit... Difficult to take him seriously from now on.

[@joshwhite5730]

@@SuperDrawBotFor real, idk why he acts like he’s some like anti-Nazi guy or whatever on his songs than does this in real life.

[@Spades20XX]

@@joshwhite5730doesn’t that kinda miss the point of FDs video? You’re falling into the trap of believing you know JPEGMAFIA based off of his music that constantly has sound bites saying “you think you know me”. This isn’t to say that he is the opposite of what his songs say, but there’s a difference between the persona he presents and who he is beneath it all. It’s far more nuanced than what you see on Twitter.

[@skadestix1943]

​@@Spades20XX thank you for understanding the assignment and breaking it down for the class to understand

[@PrGibus]

​@@Spades20XX does this mean the persona he puts on in his music is fake? There is a very big difference between bad behavior that's ultimately not correlated to someone's main message and being a complete and total hypocrite like JPEG, especially so given how arrogant that man is

[@m3mn0nYT]

_"My best allegiances are to the dead."_ - Gwendolyn Brooks _"Never meet your heroes because they'll never live up to your expectations"_ - Unknown

[@Renegade-kf8fp]

Not a excuse to be a bad person

[@KathyClysm]

IMO I think to a degree, this same phenomenon also applies to parents. We tend to idolize parents, they are our heros and protectors and guides, and thus we are shockend to eventually find out they are just as flawed as every other person walking around, or outright going to therapy to work through the fact that their flaws seriously did a number on us

[@prettynikky2097]

🎯

[@robertlee2092]

Nothing clarifies this more than becoming a parent yourself

[@SCHRODINGERS_WHORE]

This is why you should never lie to your kids. Show them your flaws and how you fix them, admit mistakes and apologize. It shows them what true maturity looks like.

[@jameseglavin4]

💯, I don’t really think of a person as an adult unless they can be critical of parents/family (theirs and as an idea)

[@BrickCity8919]

I’m not a parent but THISSS!! The way people drag parents for everything they do or don’t do makes having kids so unappealing to me omg. Parents are people that fall short like everyone else. But the comments under parenting videos terrify me. They call parents abusive and negligent for anything from forgetting to put sunscreen on their kids to letting their kids eat chicken nuggets more than one night a week. And as a woman, I just have no desire to be the target for so much hateful judgement. My husband would get high fives for giving our kid any attention at all. But as a mom, people would spend all their time watching me closely to figure out how in messing up. No thank you! DINKS 4ever

Adolph Reed has argued that identity politics aren't an alternative to class politics, they are a *form* of class politics. Almost as if to prove his point, bell hooks said, defending her status as a landlord, "I have bought a lot of real estate cause I believe we gotta get our money straight. Girl get your money straight." She went on to say she suffered from patriarchy as a landlord b/c the men she employed to work her properties didn't show her the proper respect sometimes.

[@UrDomb]

“JK Rowling’s a good example of someone I know affected a lot of white people.” LMAO

[@Loch1210]

Right because idgaf about what she said

[@hecatrice2064]

@@Loch1210Harry Potter had such a chokehold to people’s childhoods. My mama was reading that while she was pregnant with me in 2000. Even though I liked the series I never got attached to the writer and the cast disagrees with her shit opinions too lol

[@SHAKE-S-PIERRE]

@@hecatrice2064Common sense opinions

[@kurtsherer8211]

Maybe it's just me, but once the final Book/Movie from the HP series was done, her presence fell off a cliff and wasn't heard from again for a decade.

[@joekuvorkian]

Ain't it crazy how the Harry Potter books wrote themselves like that? Lol 😂

[@Jay-yr9oi]

One of the best pieces of advice I ever got came from a law school professor when I took a class on social and welfare law: respect people, don’t worship them

[@brotherbear7465]

Loaded Lux once said “Be a fan, not a fiend.”

[@kalka1l]

Lux stay illuminating.

[@takhue7164]

uhmm... loaded lux literally works with white supremacists who are conspiracy theorists... please stop. all 3 of you....

[@dr.zoidberg8666]

From my PoV as some guy with a history diploma on his wall, I think I agree that hero worship is increasing in recent years, but it's an indicator of something else to me. There's a pretty strong pattern that when times get tougher, religiosity, authoritarianism, cult recruitment, & general "stan" behavior increase. In turbulent political, social, or economic environments people don't feel steady on their own two feet so they look for someone or something else to be their rock. For some folks today, that's a celebrity or content creator they can "stan."

[@RevShifty]

I think that's a really good point. I think a lot of those falling for the celebrity culture of the internet might be better served by looking into their own community a little deeper; there's probably a lot of folks close to them doing genuinely good things, but keeping quiet about it all. Because doing those things are their own end for them. They're just not looking for recognition or internet fame. It's scary to stand on your own two feet at first for a lot of folks, but there's likely some real help or inspiration a lot closer home to them than many of them will realize.

[@MaterialGworlKodi]

Well said 👏 And I think when these times come about, we look at a scapegoat and something or someone to give us hope or at least a distraction from reality.

[@lizziedanse8335]

Well said and I'm inclined to agree. We need something to weather ourselves to, like there is some control over all the madness.

[@pixelbomb97]

Mine is Joss Whedon. I was a stan long before he was huge. Watching Buffy and Dr. Horrible on a shitty laptop got me through literal teenage homelessness. And I cannot hate these works.

[@Forgefaerie]

same. I still love Firefly. I don't think I can find it in my to hate Firefly. even seeing all the issues with it, I just love this family they built on that ship too much. it helps to remember that it was not just Whedon.. it was all these people collaborating together on something special. AND... they are all people - imperfectly perfectly human.

[@fangsabre]

I feel that. Literally grew up watching Buffy, absolutely adored Dr Horrible. Memorized Commentary: The Musical from the DVD. Shit I even really enjoyed his work at Marvel.

[@kyleflournoy7730]

The whole point of the vid is that you don't have to hate everything a person ever touched or give up your favorite thing just because the person behind it is wack in some way.

[@christineherrmann205]

Yeah, Whedon was a blow, too.

[@cv8499]

Yeees. I loved Buffy, and to a lesser extent Angel. Really liked Joss Whedon's work. So when I heard what kind of guy he was behind the scenes, that sucked. I went to Comic Con and saw the cast of Angel on a panel (minus David Boreanaz, who had just been accused of sexual harassment himself), and Charisma Carpenter still seemed so hurt. But Buffy holds a special place in my heart. I'll always be a fan of the show, if not Whedon.

[@aries4378]

"How does it feel to have lived long enough to see all of you favorite franchises go down in flames?" - Rich Evans He was talking about movies, but the point stands. We've lived long enough to see everything we loved growing up turn into crap or be revealed to have always been crap.

[@Sky_Blaze]

Gotta love capitalism and BS

[@Bunnyboo3419]

And that sucks bc I’m only 24 like damn

[@AngryKnees]

bell hooks was a landlord.. I had to pause the video and sit with that one for a moment.

[@IIocust]

4 serious .

[@AngeBiampandou]

She also was a white feminist lol

[@someangel-shape6797]

@@AngeBiampandou her book Feminist Theory: From Margin to Center (1984) is an explicit critique of white feminism and how it hinders feminist solidarity across racial lines.

[@wonder-witch]

She had some problematic takes about lesbians and trans women as well in some of her earlier writings :( I love bell hooks but she was one the people that made me really reflect on how I consume anything… Everyone will disappoint you, at some point

[@rl318]

I know someone who might implode if they heard that about Hooks and did not already know it.

[@seraphinaLL]

White, 35f. I was on tumblr a lot in the 2010s, and I remember how it broke me of fan culture. All the "Your fave is problematic" primed me, but then *my* fave, Joss Whedon's issues came to light. I did my best to disengage after that. Also, yeah, it is obnoxious when you're trying to discuss something artistic or political, and folks'll try to drag the authority you appealed to instead of the point at hand. Like yes, Picasso is a pos, but one can still find meaning in his paintings. I have noticed some commentators who will bend over backwards to imply that the creator of the work they're praising is actually "a good one," and I feel my eyes glazing over.

[@nateds7326]

Finding out P Diddy was an abuser and sex fiend was not a shock at all. It's terrible, but it's really not surprising just with everything around him and his whole vibe. It'd be like if we found out Jared Leto murdered somebody. Would it really blow your mind, or make him make more sense?

[@eleonarcrimson858]

Crazy stray on Jared leto

[@justinbent9320]

@@eleonarcrimson858 I mean..the man is basically a cult leader with a private island. Nobody with good intentions has that kind of power and authority over others

[@AngeBiampandou]

Damn, Jared Leto looking like "Why am I in it ?" 😂😂😂

[@eleonarcrimson858]

@@justinbent9320 the morbius dude? Damn tuff

[@510SPINESPLITTA]

Jared Leto has had allegations since the early 2000’s of being a creep and a PDFile. I have a feeling he will be going down soon.

[@smurfecrease]

Regular people face consequences, and usually have to grow as a result or die. Power tends to insulate people from consequences, so the "grow" part becomes optional. I stand by the idea that artists and thinkers should be actively trying to become better people or their not really great artists or thinkers.

[@Thatonegirl989]

It’s annoying because it’s one thing to make mistakes but people are just straight up evil.

[@henriettebopda5895]

Thanks!! There's a hell of difference(pun intended)

[@RevShifty]

And you (general you, not you specifically) will meet way more actual evil than you'll likely ever know about. I'm not saying real evil is terribly common, as much as it's just nowhere near as uncommon as the cultural myths we tell ourselves would lead us to believe.

[@Thatonegirl989]

@@RevShifty yeah I agree with that. The fact that there are large amounts of bad people around us doesn’t escape me. It’s just sad. Like being an asshole, is fairly common, but to find out most people are rapists or abusive to their spouses is disheartening as hell.

[@idontneedaname318]

Like people say don't idolize people but idk I dnt think it's idolization to expect your faves to not be horrible people

[@Thatonegirl989]

@@idontneedaname318 exactly! This is what I was trying to say

[@FromtheEasternLands]

This is an incredibly good and important message for people to hear. People are people. Be inspired or moved by an artist or philosopher, but don’t idolize or deify them. They’re all, we’re all, just people- incredibly fallible and capable for mistakes, errors, and terrible, awful acts.

[@TheShaggyGriffin]

This is a great thing to discuss, especially in the current state of things with the Israel/Palestine conflict since one of the strongest voices on the Palestinian side is Norm Finkelstein. The man doesn’t miss a beat on the Israel/Palestine conflict, but has got lots of controversial opinions outside of that subject matter. Sometimes it’s okay to separate the ideas/philosophies from the person behind them and filter out the bad.

[@signifiedbsides1129]

Finkelstein is a great example of this

[@tallevy]

@@signifiedbsides1129Thank you! So many people act like he’s some brilliant guy, and yet his historiography has been criticized multiple times, he called the Holocaust denier David Irving a “good historian”, and defended and even praised Hezbollah. Also random nitpick but as a Canibus fan myself, Rip the Jacker is his best album and you didn’t mention it in that video. Still great video though and I really enjoyed this one!

[@paradise_valley]

@@tallevyyep totally - worst part is how it really hampers his credibility and invalidates his arguments in a lot of people’s eyes as they rightfully assume it’s coming from the wrong place (myself included sometimes), as they have every reason to believe that. I also think that the anglosphere, but more specifically generalizing to North Americans, with all due respect, have a tendency to rarely exercise critical thinking and media literacy (not say all, only some), leading to echo chambers. I’m a left-leaning centrist but I’m subscribed to so many alt-right and fringe conservative channels to fully understand the other side. I find I agree with a lot more than I anticipate, and some of the stuff I disagree with I don’t always disagree on a fundamental level. It’s interesting for sure. Also mad props to Signifer here, it’s rare I can come to a video like this and have discussions with people who are well read enough about other corners of the internet too.

[@yR2u74Azcvs8]

eric clapton too

[@tallevy]

@@paradise_valley Personally, I think a lot of this comes down to ideological defensiveness. I'm an anarchist myself but you won't catch me trying to defend the indefensible. For example, look at Jeremy Corbyn, who was absolutely responsible for the large proliferation of antisemitism within the UK Labour Party. Instead of condemning him, many on the progressive left continued to support him even though he clearly is an antisemite. At the end of the day, bigots or those defending the killing of innocent civilians shouldn't be promoted on the left, no matter how good their analysis is elsewhere. If it is good elsewhere, their horrible opinions must be acknowledged consistently imo. The reason I say that is because too many people will hardly look at research, see a few good takes from someone, and only find out that they're problematic later. Heck, I've done the same thing before but I do my best not to these days. Overall, things need to be looked at with nuance, and consideration for people's struggles, lives, experiences, and the way our minds can be manipulated into believing false or hateful information even if we never had those biases to begin with. We all need to look at the world and our ideas as critically as possible so that we're promoting the best possible solutions for a better society.

[@zipblockarchives900]

Celebrities are a product of our corrupt society. So naturally they will let us down. I just admire the art and keep it moving.

[@doriandenard5846]

We're all walking contradictions

[@LaKae444]

True, but that feels like an overgeneralization in this context.

[@matthemming9105]

Just like Kris Kristofferson said

[@doriandenard5846]

@@LaKae444 no one is perfect. Perfection belongs in a museum in the colloquial sense. People tend to Deify anyone who is perceived to be greater than themselves.

[@theanimerapper6351]

​@@doriandenard5846Christ is perfect, Muhammad was perfect as well

[@doriandenard5846]

@@theanimerapper6351 you were told that. You never witnessed it. Doesn't mean it wasn't the case. But you and I and everyone living has NEVER seen walking perfection.

[@michaelcastro9026]

You’re right. We shouldn’t look to these people to make a moral stands on important issues but when they refuse to even acknowledge these important moments then that should tell you all you need to know bout their character. Talking about a poser being a colonizer yet refusing to talk about actual colonialism is wild.

[@Hargazer]

Growing up is when you realize your childhood heroes weren’t beacons of morality, and just gifted people instead

[@LylWren]

"People are rarely as good or bad as we think they are"

[@AllTheArtsy]

i think this is why its almost always better to get attached to the traits that attract you to certain people-- their drive, their passion, their bravery, their style, whatever-- than the person themselves. because we dont know anyone, not really, no matter how accessible they may seem, no matter the inage they craft. it makes it easier to criticize them and their work and not be hurt. it makes it easier to let go of them if we must.

[@phillipbell4394]

While I understand and respect your opinion, I disagree. I think that yes, these artists aren't our saviors, but Kendrick Lamar has explicitly expressed his viewpoints on apartheid in regards to South Africa, and his veneration of the legacy of Nelson Mandela. He said it himself "Ain't no room for contradiction". If you stand in opposition to apartheid then not standing in opposition to ALL apartheid especially when it is this out in the open, and Mandela said and I quote "But we know too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the palestinians" I believe it is a point of valid criticism. No, he isn't our savior, but at some point it is just disapointing.

[@phillipbell4394]

And no, this doesn't mean boycott Kendrick or whatever, but what I am trying to get at is that the flaws in the viewpoint of the artist can and do bleed into the music. TPAB is still one of the most interesting jazz-rap albums I have ever heard, but him talking about South Africa does feel more hollow if he never follows through, and that I don't believe is something to write off necessarily. To dive further into Kanye, yes you can listen to Graduation, but you have to understand that even back then he was making a "Drunk and Hot Girls", and further into the present Vultures is bad not because he says horrific things outside of the music, but because it is not independent of the music and bleeds into it. Fantano got a lot of hate for that opinion, but I fail to see how he incorrect like at all on that.

[@ProjectileGrommet]

It always shocks me how good FD is at peeling back the layers and getting vulnerable like in the “green screen closet” section of this video

[@TheTlminton]

Did not have "Diddy being compared to JK Rowling" on today's bingo card 😂

[@MD80-Unruly]

An ancient saying goes to the tune of "Never meet your heroes, kids."

[@MD80-Unruly]

Also, Google, can you bring up the Macklemore Jew face for me?

[@michaeljmyers1995]

At this point our heroes are meeting us and telling us how bad they are

[@RevShifty]

I remember hearing "if you ever see the Buddha coming down the mountain, kill him" as a young kid (somewhere around third grade?), as a way of demonstrating that it's the message, never the messenger. It stuck with me my entire life, and has definitely helped prevent me from ever having heroes. I have plenty of personal inspirations, people who helped shape who I am and things I hope to accomplish. But they were never heroes.

[@lovemagicfantastic]

Reject False Icons, of course.

[@jamesstuart5877]

Just remember that you are the real heroes.

[@lanonymepaul5129]

"Ne jamais déifier" is how I try to keep that in mind while i live my life as a french guy.Better be faithful to idea then a famous person

[@williamgeorge2580]

Trust in other humans is a tightrope over a spike-filled pit but you need to walk it anyway.

[@kelseymaypole7048]

But the good thing is, if you have enough humans together with overlapping information, you get something more like a safety net :)

[@wildwesley9328]

I’ve really been struggling with the cognitive dissonance I’ve been feeling when people I am a fan off make mistakes/act in a that’s contrary to their public persona and this video really helped me resolve a lot of it. I think I’m still learning where my line is in regards to how bad the behavior has to be to ruin how I feel about their work, but I think I’m definitely getting closer now

[@CriminalFriday]

I don't want to hear anything about political issues from a celebrity who hasn't read up on them tbh. Expecting every American artist/creator to have an opinion on Palestine is simply unrealistic. A lot of folks, sad as it may be, don't have the first clue what's going on in the world outside of what directly effects them. I remember when I learned that Cee Lo Green and Stevie Wonder were homophobic. I hated that fact, but it made me realize that I can't have preconceived notions about artists just because I can appreciate or relate to their work.

[@henriettebopda5895]

Thank you!! I don't even want To hear political take from an artist..

[@autsni]

Cee Lo Green? Damn I'd thought he be on the other side not against 😂

[@Dog-999i]

At least Stevie apologized but Cee Lo has done some really shady things if you read about him.

[@zucchinigreen]

Most celebs aren't that smart anyway. Evelyn from the internets has a great short on "why your fave hasn't spoken up yet". They legit don't know...

[@CH4R10T_TV]

This video really hits because we're always forgetting the power of the audience, not as consumers but as thinkers. Proactive, intentional thought is so important to the arts. So much of art is in our eyes and ears, so it's also in our hands, you know?

[@JamsandTea]

In a post-TPAB world, for hip hop specifically, it blows my mind that anyone doesn’t inherently look at their heroes with a bit of skepticism. ‘Will you be a fan when shit hits the fan?’ May be the most prophetic line of the 2010s when it comes to this kinda stuff.

[@smaaron_j_46]

It definitely is, that line instantly made me think of Kanye and Drake when I thought of it 😮

[@Renegade-kf8fp]

Because all of these people are just puppets and vessels

[@johndevlin9225]

Honestly I’m waiting for/dreading the day we find out what Kendrick’s skeletons are. There’s such an undercurrent of guilt and anxiety in his music, it makes me think he’s definitely done some shit. Like how he probably murdered someone when he was 16.

[@blackdragon6]

​@@johndevlin9225 pfft, go listen to some Ice Cube, Scarface, Ice-T, and Master-P buddy. It's not that deep. 😂

[@loraveniceluna5431]

We hold them to the same standard a person should be held. It so happens they’re rich/famous which holds more responsibility… they don’t want that pressure responsiblity step down or shut up and take the pressure from people who simply asking for solidarity. It’s not about your game your humanity comes first and that’s what’s being aske of them and other artists when it comes to Palestine Sudan Congo etc. tf! They benefit from these issues when you go into it deeply but y’all ain’t ready for that conversation smh.

[@mehlover]

Nobuhiro Watsuki was mine. When i found out about him having tons of CP and how he barely got any punishment and consequences from his shounen jump peers, it was chilling and frustrating

[@KariIzumi1]

What's even more wild is the fact that he was actually one of the _first_ people to be arrested under this then fairly new law. I'm not one of those "Japan are all unique sex pests in a way the West isn't" type of people but there are absolutely others in the entertainment business who are, if not as bad as this guy who had so much on him the cops thought he was a trafficker of the shit), are definitely suspect.

[@digitaldevilshitposts6731]

⁠@@KariIzumi1About the “Japan are all unique sex pests in the way the west isn’t”. Japan does seem to have a big problem with sex crimes (I’ve spoken to women who have lived in Japan and they confirmed it’s bad), but I think it’s a bit orientalist to say it’s any worse than the west. 6ix9ine still has a career after SA-ing a minor, R Kelly was still successful up until his conviction etc.

[@KariIzumi1]

@@digitaldevilshitposts6731 fully agree.

[@Parvatisplace]

bell hooks was a landlord?? Don’t do this to me I’m only in undergrad

[@aj2thamaxx742]

She still worth reading, All About Love is an excellent work, however, being critical of our faves is vital to the inquiry and learning process. I would recommend Dr. Patricia Hill Collins and Dr. Brittney Cooper as well

[@richlisola1]

Property ownership isn’t a bad thing.

[@khulekanimagubane9153]

True story. The history of a number of people who have enriched our worldview, especially in the context of our experiences, is a list of inconvenient messengers. Hero worship is not necessarily a bigger problem than their vices and shortcomings, but it is a big part of why we keep running into this brick wall.

[@DashXero]

7:08 I WANNA WATCH THAT SERIES. I think a huge part of the reason you can be trusted thus far is because you acknowledge the possibility that you could be saying something erroneous.

[@ShinMail6164]

Something that was ingrained in me by my parents is this. *"There are people we can Idolize, but NOT deify."* I feel like the way we all tend to engage in our favs pushes us toward the latter as opposed to the former

[@joshwhite5730]

What is the difference?

[@paradise_valley]

Idolization is just a slightly less extreme form of deification, so I’ll pass on both haha

[@ShinMail6164]

@@paradise_valley Id say alot less extreme form. Nothing wrong with growing up and having idols in our lives. But to embrace them to the point of losing sight of the fact that (in the case of celebs) a) we dont know them very well and that our engagement is both one sided and extremely limited and b) forget that they are flawed human beings Is to deify them. In my humble opinion

[@paradise_valley]

@@ShinMail6164 Going along with this definition (even going with the dictionary style definition even tho some people blur the line/conflate the two), I feel like as you get older, the role models, idolization of your youth is replaced with admiration for certain aspects of a person anyway kinda like the J. Cole songs. Idk there’s nothing inherently wrong with the practice or using that word for what you’re doing, it’s so close to becoming willful ignorance, blind adoration or self-inflicted naïveté in my eyes, and when I think of that I think of hypocritical Kanye (antisemitism, bipolar rants) fans or to a lesser extent, even Taylor Swift (her promiscuous nature, carbon emissions) stans who contradict their own morality and do mental gymnastics to justify anything and everything they do. Not accusing you of it or assuming that those who idolise inherently are this way, only exploring the possibility of using it as a justification for that kind of behavior. I think we are essentially agreeing with each other and this is devolving into a dead-ended discourse over semantics. I think I understand what you mean so I won’t confuse you anymore.

[@zenja6533]

Imagine my face when I dug deeper into black socialist movements and I saw what Fred Hampton thought of homosexuals.

[@MrGrandure]

They are people too, everybody poops

[@comradethatmetalguy]

"It's cuz I don't." The wisest words you'll hear 👏🏼

[@CozumelTy]

The internet has put everyone on blast. Back in the day news sources used to take money to cover up this stuff.

[@URN-it]

Heard yesterday about what P.L.O meant when method man said it in his songs, maybe the earliest thing in rap on the topic of Palestine

[@selalewis9189]

I remember having a political education conversation within my local DSA about bell hooks’ contribution to black feminist theory. It has been immense, but not everything she has written or said is ironclad. I brought up several opinions of my own, and additionally pointed out how younger black feminists were already interrogating some of her problematic takes on Beyoncé, as just one. My point was not to throw out everything you’ve ever read by hooks. But rather, be open to critiquing her words and thoughts in conversation with others. I think that we as black people are more willing to engage in the complexities of prominent figures, for better or for worse. But at least we’re will to get into dialogue and not avoid the contradictions.

[@devanmw]

Make sure to look into Method Man's early support of Palestine! Just learned about this

[@kalka1l]

Yeah in the 90s there was a lot of support and comments dropped throughout US hip hop and alt rock for sure.

[@paradise_valley]

Now I’m staring to realise why Lupe got hit with ADL’s anti-Semitic badge, not because he’s on a Kanye spiral but because of his support for Palestine?

[@honeypower91]

PLO Style

[@Peruvian_Necktie]

You mean Tusken Terrorists?

[@kylezo]

Yellowcard & a lot of ska acts made a lot of music about the Gaza strip in the 90s too

[@dukinhower]

We're all supposed to learn this in our youth. No idol worship!

[@segara04]

Du Bois was one of mine also. Still say I am a Du Boisian sociologist. Like you, had to understand my faves have real grabage ahh moments. ❤❤

[@votedthatoneguy]

I dunno i cant separate when you learn how much of themselves are in what they make

[@johngleason1776]

Sean Combs is a billionaire, and every billionaire has power that no human being should ever be allowed to have. That's part of this too.

[@theanimerapper6351]

Not LeBron or tiger woods. They earned majority of their money by working

[@faustostar9627]

Sean Combs ain't a billionaire. He was an entertainer/ brand ambassador. Cut it out.

[@SHAKE-S-PIERRE]

You don’t just become a billionaire haphazardly unless you’re a woman

[@theapocalyvid]

Very important statement to make. I am a young guy with a huge passion for culture, yet I struggle to listen to artists like David Bowie or read authors like James Joyce whose art I love yet whose past behavior I very much don’t. It’s good to hear this from you, and I think it’s a good time for me to move past this mindset.

[@joshwhite5730]

I don’t think Diddy was ever anyone’s fave

[@joefatso111]

Hey he gave talentless background dancers everywhere hope that they too could one day be extremely effective manipulators of human will

[@seanyoung9014]

​@@joefatso111And look at J. Lo. The system clearly works.

[@Teddy3230-u4d]

He wasn’t everyone’s fave but he still was used as a role model for success among the black community. And honestly the shit with R Kelly was a good smoke screen because people wanted our celebrities to not be POS.

[@seaofroses8888]

Exactly, no one's sad that he's done for. He's basically a DJ Khaled

[@Dra3000]

As an older millennial puff was that dude he discovered so many people y'all love today he was like a necessary evil he has an eye for talent and if he believed you were going to next best thing he would put his money where his mouth was as far as exposure ...but over time he got greedy and people started to see that making a deal with him was like making one to a devil

[@bcmjr3155]

It's sad we have to be reminded that being highly visible does not translate to being infallible. They are human too and none of us are perfect. I don't think highly visible individuals claim perfection we thrust it upon them and then tear them down when they act like us.

[@HeavenlyPress]

6:30, that’s a great point. It’s in a similar vein as the “Celebrity Scientist” who’re treated as being uniquely suited to solve ALL the worlds problems with their Advanced Stem Degrees

[@mossyrocks1096]

Yeah, my family will believe anything Neil Degrasse Tyson says because he’s super smart, yeah dude, at astrophysics… doesn’t mean he’s always right.

[@herbdelights4024]

Diddy will never forget 2024. 😂

[@anthonynorman7545]

I really needed to hear this today. It's one of those things that I knew intellectually, but needed to hear from another perspective to register emotionally.

[@313Nadir]

"I ain't your savior" would be a pertinent response if anyone was asking Kendrick to save anything, nobody is expecting the problem to be solved by any entertainer out there

[@Teddy3230-u4d]

People don’t expect celebrities to fix anything..people want them justify their own beliefs or maybe they fell for performative culture to the point where they think anyone famous has to share everything 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@Renegade-kf8fp]

Kendrick is just a actor playing a part Nothing more nothing less

[@MailMayne]

Make that series!! Call it "L's throughout history"

[@jamesstuart5877]

Next time on "L's Throughout History", Abraham Lincoln.

[@SpydrXIII]

i have been going through all this with my own personal faves, and then i see your videos slowly going through what i am and now this video, and it's like, we are on the same ride. damn, at least we got here.

[@WeaponOfMyDestructio]

My favorite manga growing up was Ruroni Kenshin. I'm used to this now.

[@FuryXDMGS]

Oh no I forgot about that lmaoooo

[@javiermorales1506]

@4:15 it's not disappointing, and honestly, most of us need to remember that despite our access to everything, everyone only has so much time, attention, & energy. While also remembering to not paint ppl as saints or all-knowing. The whole separating art from artist thing. You do a great job making things palatable even in the multi hour vids. Always looking forward to new vids.

[@aquandary7516]

On never hearing much from hip hop on world issues and Palestine in particular. However much the Backpack movement of hip hop is maligned today, Backpack hip hop is exactly where these issues were being discussed. During the Bling era, Backpackers were talking about Palestine, Iraq, inequality, police brutality, state security and spying, and a whole range of world issues.

[@Dog-999i]

I think we hear less of conscious HipHop nowadays because corporations gain more and more power every day, so they choose to only put out music that keeps them safe.

[@aquandary7516]

@@Dog-999i 1Dime has a really good video on this. Adorno and the culture industry as it relates to hip hop

[@tessarnold7597]

In terms of contemporary US culture, I think it's uncontroversial to say that we are failure averse to the point of true phobia at this point. (As if failure wasn't a necessary part of success, but that's a different comment.) To be more plain with the language; we have this sense that - in public at least - we have to be perfect. You made a great point about the need to recognize those we celebrate as fallible humans. If I may add to that idea: From the perspective of having any type of authority, celebrity, or broad base of respect, this cultural conditioning of needing to appear flawless, pressures us (no, I'm not a celebrity of any strata,) to express an opinion when what we should really do is express our ignorance. How many people do we all know, (ourselves included,) who act like saying, " I don't know," or, "I'm not informed enough about that to comment," is an alien concept? I'll bet it's more than one, even if we take anyone famous out of the running. I am not sure of the root cause of this conditioning, although I suspect it likely shares one with 'hustle culture' and the 'puritan work ethic', but I know it's there. (Adjacent to this is the all too common tendency for us to confer unearned expertise on people. Yeah, your doctor may be a great physician, but it's likely he knows fuck all about politics, climate change, etc... We do this same thing with celebrities and rich people. Something to keep in mind.) And, the argument issue you mention towards the end, where someone tries to use unrelated stuff to counter argue, in some cases you mentioned it's a genetic fallacy, in others it's a non-sequitur fallacy. (Likely, you already know this - this is for anyone interested in the jargon, so they might go looking for education in the topic.) In any case, it's faulty logic and bad thinking. It's a shame that most people are vulnerable to that kind of rhetoric. Love the video. Keep doing what you're doing. It's needed.

[@Darkchild393]

4:00 Random fun fact found on twitter: Method Man’s track PLO style from his debut LP is in recognition of the Palestinian Liberation Organization after seeing Palestinian resistance fighters in the community growing up 🇵🇸

[@FishareFriendsNotFood972]

5:27 Earth shattering 4th wall break, triggering existential spiral

[@Dr.Duck22]

Jpegmafia once said All My Heroes Are Cornballs and I've since adopted that saying

[@junolysses]

the funniest thing about it too is that jpegmafia has done some unsavory things himself (ie presenting himself as a progressive leftist but jumping at the opportunity to work with kanye). he's literally proven HIMSELF to be a cornball. it's almost poetic in a way.

[@gaelthehuman1290]

I think one thing I know the modern gen can do right regarding their idols, especially regarding music artists, it’s seeing through the illusions of celebrities and understanding most of their real malicious/greedy intentions and are willing to look more into both the media literacy and unethical ideas behind their actions in the present versions of themselves rather than clinging onto the already bygone reputable version of those said celebrities a LOT faster than other old fans of these artists

[@Shane-A112]

hypocrisy is simply humanity+learning ecperiences. fishing to "own someone" is the place of the chronically online not the intellectually curious. Great vid FD. thank you for all you do.

[@barlowwws9999]

Remember to comment for engagement this video is probably gonna pop either way

[@Emilio1985]

Truly amazing to me how many people refuse to allow other people to be fully human, which is to say imperfect. And just like you said, acknowledging someone's humanity, their imperfect nature, is not the same as excusing their mistakes or acting as if those mistakes were not in fact mistakes. We really are a stupid population, to have been taught so effectively to demand perfection out of everyone but ourselves.

[@CreationsFlare]

ngl, I think I've done well for myself to measure people not by their ups but how they act when they're down. It's done me well enough.

[@danfromtheinternet]

ey unc i know the thumbnails change all the time but the launch one with the "no more heroes" logo makes me so happy, goated game

[@markop.1994]

FD i first showed up and subbed after your first kanye video, and slowly but surely youve been climbing the ranks to becoming my favorite KZbinr. You are a great orator and one of the few people on the platform who knows how to talk about serious things respectfully and without losing your head. I agree with everything u said here. Idk what else to say but keep up the great work 👍

[@wildercerrate7295]

“It was justice,” Stannis said. “A good act does not wash out the bad, nor a bad act the good. Each should have its own reward.” -Stannis the mannis Baratheon

[@someangel-shape6797]

Was not expecting to see this here lol

[@kazzfuchsia1073]

The only way I process great artists doing bad things.

[@creatrixZBD]

“Fewer”

[@thehighpriest333]

You encouraged me to start my own KZbin channel! Thank you for being so influential!!! Keep it G Unk!

[@salaufer]

When you were talking about Foucault, I thought you were making a joke and said "PDF File reading," and I'm imagining him trying to talk people into subscribing to Adobe CC to use Acrobat or something. Then I actually googled it and now I wish I had just stuck with the funny version

[@toomuchinformation]

You have to create a whole new vocabulary so that you don't get demonetized.

[@issaread5937]

Glad you spoke to this! I appreciate it so much cause I have to check myself on this a lot…

[@Pejaysaidit]

And I think that’s what gave Kendrick the upper hand in this beef. Because he knows he not above scrutiny and he was willing to put his truths on the online to expose someone that doesn’t have the same level of humanity which is a weakness Kendrick exploited to win! 🏆 but all in all what you said is true. We all are imperfect and have done or currently doing things in life that if it was public we would feel ashamed, some worst than others for sure. But we are all human, Kendrick is human, Drake is human, ALL OUR HEROS ARE HUMAN! They are not our Savior, and we tend to look at those folk to be the people we wish we could be, we see celebs and influencers and the perfect end result of human nature, like GODS or prophecies as if you guys are above human, because us as regular people couldn’t imagine us being in a position of that much influence and it feels surreal to think about. BUT people gotta realize you’re just as special, just as capable. We just have to change our perspective on it and we’ll then realize we in this 1 life we have is our own savior, no matter who we encounter, something like the “main character” complex, but just not to go extremely over board with it.

[@jadecat18]

Appreciate the video, FD. I just want to note that Noname, Immortal Technique, Yasin Bey, and Talib Kweli all rapped about Palestine on songs before October 7, 2023. I'm pretty sure there are a few others, but those are the ones I'm aware of off top.

[@besacciaesteban]

Around 10 years ago i took the decision to not have idols of any kind. It took a lot of mental effort to break every pedestal in wich i used to put people on, but now i can say that my judgement of the "influentials" in society is sharper than ever.

[@razeltellezmunoz9313]

I love this. In my relatively new mental health journey, I had to come to terms with that, as a man who had VERY few positive male role models, all of them men I grew up idolizing were all extremely flawed. It was quite distressing, but now I'm realizing that my moral positions and life ambitions must come from within. The work now calls for taking the lessons that will help me move forward. Thanks, FD. You're so wise and I'm sure you've never done anything wrong ;)

[@Newing777]

Just started doing prep at work thanks for giving me some good stuff to watch while chopping cilantro lol

[@alexroselle]

This subject is always worth reminding, and it makes me think of a bit of dialogue I read in high school English from the play “Life of Galileo” by Bertolt Brecht: “How unhappy is the land that has no heroes!” “No, unhappy is the land that needs a hero.”

[@always_serpico]

New FD plus any sort of reference to No More Heroes, equals automatic thumbs up.

[@hunterrock1097]

Travis Touchdown is my problematic fave

[@tshepicreates]

while this is a valid take that i agree with, i also believe there are certain responsibilities people with that kind of power have to take on. maybe i'm falsely equating this to the "artist vs art" debate, but bad takes can have devastating effects. i agree with your example about making bad faith arguments by relying on something that someone said/did that one may not agree with, i just fear it might lead to a slippery slope of debating which bad takes are redeemable and which aren't. i also don't have a solution on what the way out of this is because i agree, all of these celebrities/ influencers are human and are capable of mistakes much like me. it's hard when your fav is the topic of the month, and trying to reconcile your experiences with them and other people's experiences can be difficult. it's tough.

[@curiouscomplex290]

"I'm in a closet." 😭😭😭😭😭 Whyy bro 🤣🤣

[@bootcamp7]

“You must be a light unto yourself, in a world that is utterly becoming dark.”

[@BrickCity8919]

I think that we are allowed to have whatever standards we want for people we invest money and time in and give celebrity to. If the new standard of celebrity is “you must be unproblematic to receive my money, likes and support” that’s fine. Audiences are allowed to make that decision. We should be moving towards a future where we don’t uplift ab*sers just cuz they can pop and lock (i.e. Chris Brown) It’s not “parasocial” to have standards for who you support. (And low key I get mad at takes that say otherwise because the “no ones perfect” or “standards mean you’re a stan” argument always seems to come out when a woman of color is on the receiving end of the ab*se) The thing I will agree with in this video is that we should be able to still take wisdom from people who are severely flawed. And we should expect people to fall short and not be so wrapped up in the idolatry of humans. But that doesn’t mean they don’t deserve to lose followers, fans, endorsements and be dragged

[@blackswan4486]

I agree. We would never put up with a non-famous person who pimped or trafficked or raped or beat somebody. So why is it “expecting perfection“ when we hold celebrities to that standard? Is it somehow harder for them to not beat and rape people?

[@midgint]

Phenomenal B-sides video, and absolutely agree on most of it. This critical look onto people whose work is important to a lot of people is also something that can be applied to ourselves, when we're the ones on the receiving end of criticism. It's how we grow as persons for the better.