Allan vs Alibaba

my childhood anime make nostalgia
marchen awakens romance (MaR)

[@weebhousewife]

MAR is one weird anime. .. It doesn't have any special eye candy but somehow everyone remember it as one of the most entertaining manga / anime. .. I love this series especially Phantom

[@_x_m_m_6976]

It is definitely very weird and very unique. I feel like it does many things wrong (pacing always feels a bit too slow, battles are kinda uninteresting and feeling lackluster, animation is mediocre at best, the series feels way to childish at some points etc), yet it does even more things right (main characters are all unique and memorable and most of them grow organically throughout the series, backstories are always interesting to watch and some are absolute masterpieces (*cough cough* Phantom *cough cough*), the villains are very diverse in their personalities, histories and motives for joining the chess pieces, some of the scenes (like this one) are bone-chilling and incredible in every way etc). All in all, I enjoyed this show as a kid very much, yet know, after rewatching it almost 10 years later, I feel like I enjoyed it even more :D

[@weebhousewife]

@@_x_m_m_6976 Ye. .. Eventhought the animation was basically 3 layered repetitive , but the plot is awesome as fuck. .. I don't know if I'm the only one but every fights were so good and anticipating

[@ravengenesis8510]

@@_x_m_m_6976 I have same feeling lol. I also watched it as kid and love it. But the anime didn't age well. Like the battle feel like so RPG-ish. I guess there is nostalgia bias on it too.

[@Ander0072originalv2]

@@ravengenesis8510 Honestly, just download the series and rewatch segments, it's better that way since you can hone in on the gems. Most are probably on KZbin too like Jack being turned into stone, Ginta and the candlewax guy, or the girl who created a dream world. To add to the good things though, the OP, ED, and soundtrack are pretty great, even the interlude jingle matched with the manga art.

[@ravengenesis8510]

@@Ander0072originalv2 Nah, no need. I watched it already. Tbh i actually angry at Ginta and Jack when fighting Kandis, about why they so clueless that Kandis need take damage activate her ARM. Kandis even hurt herself to achieved it, yet Jack keep attacking her untill it's too late. The senior like Alan also just silent. I could talk more but my point still there about this anime aged poorly. But yeah, i can let it slide now since it's for kid, maybe.

[@McGrewer]

Allan tosses a man in a volcano His allies: "holy shit... that's fucking brutal..." The crowd: "YEAH! FUCK HIM UP! WOO!"

[@lirissayo3427]

We're at war nya

[@aurorialgaming1935]

The chess basically gave them a free point and it means their friends aren't dying instead. Ofc they will.

[@azu2463]

なんかおすすめに上がったけどナナシ好き過ぎて当時めちゃくちゃ見てたの懐かしい

[@SkyKingAzure]

This is why you respect your elders - you never know when one of them might throw you down a live volcano.

[@animefan77]

Dorothy: oh, so you’re ok with him killing, but not me. Ginta: Um,.....well....

[@I_am_always_correct]

Ginta: "I couldn't have stopped him, but I could stop you"

[@kombatserbia6034]

​@@I_am_always_correct Dorothy: that's it, you're marring me

[@taauw08]

今見ると声優陣が意外と豪華なのが分かるわw

[@TheTrueGlaukos]

I completely forgot how absolutely brutal that was

[@manramen]

They didn't give this Alibaba much backstory it looks like, but from the gist of the series, we got humans fighting others who DO intend to kill, not just defeat. A guy with a magic genie wasn't going to let his opponent live.

[@EpicFableBean]

did he need one? he was just a bad guy for bad sakes

[@kamuid9375]

in the manga he dies in the volcano but not in the anime

[@doggypi1532]

When anime was not always that kind and buddy buddy to opponents hehe~

[@sadsackofflour2697]

Gotta love how like... casually he drags Alibaba to that volcano. Regular morning. Just taking out the trash, y'know?

[@mistertaz94]

In his defense he was within bounds to do so. He's a former Cross Guard. Alibaba was a Chess Piece. Note that the Chess Pieces are heavily comprised of anarchists, mass murderers, assassins, and people who have done far worse than throwing a guy into a volcano. The only Chess who can honestly be viewed in a relatively good light are Garon and his kids, Ash because he fights simply to protect the children, and Ian because his whole motive for being a Chess Piece is to protect Gido. Also maybe Chaton given that she gets a 'love equals redemption' later on alongside Loco. As far as the other Chess we have an insane manchild in Halloween (really, his motives are quite petty when we learn them), Roland who is obsessed with Phantom, a good chunk of the rooks and Bishops are bloody maniacs, Rapuzel is a vain hag who alongside her brother are among THE worst of the Chess Pieces, Chimera who essentially is the living embodiment of the trope 'break the cutie', Wizar who want to grow a giant tree fueled purely by the sorrow and despair of humanity, Peta who is essentially Phantom 2.0, and the list goes on.

[@SWIFTO_SCYTHE]

HARDCORE. he just killed that guy no remorse. Awesome.

[@animefan77]

2:33- Alan thinking:Don’t tell me about this. I’ve heard this exact conversation before in the last War.

[@oscarmendez1477]

This settles it....I'm going to rewatch it all! I think I have seen your clips of MAR too much that you have lit this fire for Marchen awakens romance again!

[@brockhodge3225]

Would you say it awakened your “Flames of Recca”(the creator of Mär’s other series, which is sadly better animated despite being almost 10 years older than mär)

[@oscarmendez1477]

@@brockhodge3225 Dude….you did not have to go for the kill. Also for Flames of areca you kind have to go and read the manga because of how it ends in the anime. Not a bad thing though, but I just think it’s ending was too meh in the anime. It was like, “oops, we cannot longer animate this series, have a this ending!”.

[@あかさたな-q6r4n]

アリババのかませ感が見事w

[@中村明日香-v9v]

あの魔神は見せ掛けで風船状態だったんだ。カカシ先生の螺旋丸も同じ!

[@Dragon_Ninja_Gamer]

It’s just like a dad Heihachi threw his son Kazuya into the lava after gotten beaten in the final battle in the king of Iron Fist Tournament. - Tekken Reference

[@nathanalexandre9043]

Reference...no just standard Alan composure.

[@雨塚酷土amatukakokudo]

主人公やその同世代の若者達は決して相手の命を奪えない甘ちゃんばっかりだけど 仲間サイドにいる『平気で悪人の命を奪える人』の存在っていいよね 殺される覚悟のない者が相手を殺してはいけない

[@毒林檎-c9g]

これは国の存亡を懸けた戦争だからね。 ただ、ドロシーはギンタに言われてあっさり不殺に切り替えちゃったのが残念。 好きな男に言われてホイホイ止める程度の覚悟だったのかと。

[@毒林檎-c9g]

ギンタもアランには「これがオッサンの戦い方なんだ」って認めるくせに、ドロシーには「女の子だろう？人殺しするとこなんて見たくないよ。」とか言ってたの嫌。 戦争に男も女も関係ないだろ。

[@雨塚酷土amatukakokudo]

@@毒林檎-c9g ドロシーは相手の命を命とも見ていなかったから 殺すも殺さないも彼女の中ではそんなに大差ない行為だったのでは？

[@雨塚酷土amatukakokudo]

@@毒林檎-c9g 中学男子に何を求めているの？

[@毒林檎-c9g]

@@雨塚酷土amatukakokudo 戦争に首突っ込んでるくせに、中学生男子なんて言い訳通用するわけないだろ。

[@danokin4142]

7:32 こちらが問題のシーンです。

[@nonnon-pc1ul]

ダンディ声優はだいたい大塚さんや石塚さんだけど小杉さんも隠れダンディ

[@animefan77]

2:43- foreshadowing Ian’s own ascension to Knighthood

[@cindynoh8394]

5:17 *gasp* He said it! 😲 Also, that's what small fry like him get for acting so arrogant, especially to a veteran like Alan.

[@顔文字-d5n]

これぞフラグって言う フラグだったなww

[@shawnjordan4616]

This still slaps.

[@GeomancerFelix]

I really want to watch this show again, but having streamed it from sketchy sites that no longer exist and I simply can't find any safe, fully uploaded episodes

[@ragnablade5397]

gogoanime

[@illusoryknowledge9307]

The group that subbed this one was an IRC group. I know they were around at least 5 years back. If they're not gone, you could connect to them on IRC and see if they still have it.

[@kyoshida280]

二階級特進(殉職)

[@daredadareda5321]

アニメでは生きてた事になってるけどねww

[@bulletfreak224]

5:53 It was at this moment that Ali Baba knew he f##ked up...

[@nonaG123]

Idk why I thought this anime was more upbeat than this. Don't get me wrong that's not a shot at it, I just thought it was more we'll say "kid friendly". This one got WAY darker than I remember and it's not even gratuitously violent either just implied brutality sprinkled in. Goes hard for the era this came out.

[@profchaos91]

Dorothy and Alan were the "dark spots" of MaR. they both went all in with the "this is a war" mentality while the others treated this like it was a budokai tenkaichi. it just shows the difference in the team composition, the kids and nanashi are more laxed (except from some specific moments) alviss is the middle child who doesn't go full murderer but also isn't there to play around, and the last two are the girl with a mission to kill the queen and the guy who literally survived the first war and enlsited again. I like the fact that a couple of them could give it a darker tone and actually make this whole opera have a bit more stakes

[@professorkyuu1775]

Alibaba is definitely not Knight material. ÄRMs take time to synchronize with their masters. It takes training, sixth sense, and a level of magical power strong enough to fight with the ÄRM effectively. Guardian ÄRMs which are amongst the most powerful ÄRMs need to be synchronized through training before you use them. Especially Guardian ÄRMs with their own will.

[@MrUnknown495]

このアニメは初の死亡者を味方が出したり、火山に投げ入れたり、胃袋から植物を生やしたり、溺死させかけたり……味方サイドのやることが割とひどい

[@taauw08]

模写猫 まあ対象年齢を考えればそれも分かるが、普通に敵の事を考えれば皆殺しにしてやっても全然おかしくないぞ？w

[@おおおおおお-b3d]

戦争なんで。。。ね？

[@adoresunikome2556]

胃袋から植物は他に選択肢なかったから許してあげてww

[@ラノベの神葵せきなは]

胃袋から植物は正確にはナイトの一人が首切りして殺したよ。 そのナイトは強化されたとあるルークに原作では首抜かれて処刑、アニメでは焼死体にされたけど。

[@DigimonTamerfreak]

When you realize that kannochi is asleep....

[@danilomenoli]

KZbin started showing random clips from this anime I never knew it existed. Why do the winners always had to murder the losers after the match is over?

[@somerandomnon-importantper3219]

They don't have to. They sometimes choose to

[@ゆうやスライムの人形劇チャンネル]

懐かしいな異世界呼び出し物メルヘヴン16年前か

[@gustaf2922]

ドロシーには殺しはダメって言っておきながら、 アランの時は、コレがおっさんの喧嘩なんだ、ってなんだよ。

[@なくろ-d1f]

ドロシーは女の子だろ？ だぞ

[@zasurasan1966]

ドロシーにはそういう殺戮行為はやって欲しくないんだろう まあ悪逆非道のアーム刈りの魔女だから過去にやってたんだろうけど

[@xcollector6618]

一応ドロシーは殺しはダメと言われたあと、ウォーゲーム中は人殺しはしていないが、 戦いの後、ピノッキオン以外は全員死亡する。

[@毒林檎-c9g]

同感。 女読書だけど、そういう女だけ特別扱いするキャラ嫌い。 ウォーゲームに参加する以上、それなりの覚悟で戦ってるわけだし、男も女も関係でしょ。 スノウとかギンタが自分の意思で不殺貫くのはいいけど、女だからって理由で他人にとやかく言うのは納得いかない。

[@kurosiro1115]

見た事あるはずなのにタイトルが全く出てこない謎

[@修羅組]

メルヘヴンかな

[@AegisAuras]

This team keeps committing war crimes, bro. Wtf

[@Raximus3000]

Personaly i find it needlessly brutal to just go through all that just to kill him, one good strike it is all that it takes.

[@Just-A-Casual]

The other party would kill someone whatever way possible. Stop being so goody-goody two-shoes. Kill or be killed, however and by whatever means necessary.

[@ShadowDurza]

People tend to think morally grey characters are more interesting, but few people realize that even moral greyness can be taken to the extreme.

[@Raximus3000]

@@ShadowDurza Especialy when it basicaly gives up efficiancy for sadism. Moraly grey are usualy those who do bad things for a good cause, when it is bad people who do good for a selfish purpose are just politicians and are simple as hell or villains who are forced by the state to work for the greater good. By going to far you mean when the first thinks he has to do bad things to succeed his goals even though logicaly they are counterproductive, another one comes to mind but it would be spoilers for invincible.

[@taauw08]

三つ目の理由の小物臭半端ないw

[@saenekokun2723]

I got huge crush on this guy back then 😭😭

[@profchaos91]

as an adult hetero man, i can still fully understand why

[@saenekokun2723]

@@profchaos91 HE JUST GOT EVERYTHING??? MY CHILD ME GOT SOME TASTE LIKE WOW THAT'S A GUY

[@eLite-Tiss91]

5:48- Alan moves like a Unit

[@gardeniachan8780]

5:17 is that a JoJo reference?

[@cindynoh8394]

Ironic how the seiyuu who voiced Alan voiced Jotaro in the _Jojo's Bizarre Adventure_ OVA

[@gardeniachan8780]

@@cindynoh8394 really? MÄR is a blessed anime then

[@cindynoh8394]

@@gardeniachan8780 yep they sound the same and I looked up who voiced Jotaro in the OVA here en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C5%ABr%C5%8Dta_Kosugi#Anime jojo.fandom.com/wiki/Jotaro_Kujo

[@SoralTheSol]

The only good thing about this anime... The good guys had no problem offing the villains.

[@zeokingsilver]

some of them did not all of them were ok with it

[@DragonForceAnimeReviews]

I disagree immensely with that. Also, it’s wrong. Only Allan, Dorothy, and Nanashi didn’t care. And Dorothy only for a little bit.

[@newgateedward4694]

「やるやないかオッサン」平子みたい笑ブリーチの

[@RYO-uz2zx]

ナナシと平子は喋り方と声優一緒ですからねw

[@teskii9430]

The disrespect of this man he punched his guardian so hard it exploded, grabs him and drags his ass up to a volcano and even though he admits defeat he said “f that y’all killed a lot of people especially my friends I demand justice” then turns him into a filet mignon over cooked

[@sayutube]

これカノッチ出てたらアラン全部溶けてたのでわ…

[@gabrielrisso865]

Cómo se llama este anime así lo veo por favor

[@linkuru6810]

メルってもう20年前くらいか…ストーリーあまり覚えてないけど命乞いしても容赦なく殺すんだっけ？ww慈悲なしか…

[@TheBigrichman]

That was kinda cruel

[@中村明日香-v9v]

ピンチの時にこそチャンスがある、パパ黒や宿儺や無惨ならアランと同じ事してたな！

[@西村祐輝-q5n]

アランの声ってアーロンだろ‼️

[@門矢士-z7r]

ドロシー以外には興味なかったな

[@斉間健也]

カノッチいいやつだったよなぁ

[@kenboom1364]

Yare yare daze ORAAAAA

[@ikangoyeng7853]

Welp he didnt died,he saved by phantom actually I dont remember which ep

[@Raximus3000]

He did in the manga.

[@palpatine152]

He is alive in episodes 66 and 67

[@ragnablade5397]

he died in the manga

[@バイク雄]

メルって結構えぐいな

[@ゴミナマ]

宝の持ち腐れとはこの事、強いARMなのに

[@atomu27]

DID HE REALLY NEED TO DO THAT?

[@ブルちん-j2r]

昔アニメを見たときは アランが好きだったなぁ PS2のゲームでアランのエアハンマー(だっけ?)使いまくった 今見たら超イキリおじさんだなぁ

[@adoresunikome2556]

まぁ実力が伴うからokよ

[@康之岡田-j5u]

えげつないなおい....

[@kunckles213]

if anyone can point me in the direction of the name of the that song at 2:03 - 3:29. cant find it anywhere

[@davidlima1645]

Alan was the big boss all up until he fought the cat chick & then his character went downhill - it’s like they stopped trying to make him powerful after that

[@somerandomnon-importantper3219]

His fight with Halloween more than makes up for it if you ask me

[@zeokingsilver]

in the manga he died in the anime he lived

[@cindynoh8394]

You talking about Alibaba?

[@zeokingsilver]

@@cindynoh8394 yep the guy Allan just beat

[@nightsphenom7122]

@@zeokingsilverhow did he survive that?

[@zeokingsilver]

@@nightsphenom7122 teleported iirc

[@koj772]

柱間ァァ(バッボ)

[@taylorbee4010]

I like this manga but honestly I wasn't for the mar War turning into a tournament Arc

[@hazydoom69]

Question... Why is there a sentient ball and chain!

[@Dogmaguy74]

Because legendary weapons tend to be sentient....not that i mind though.

[@loka7783]

Babbo (the sentient ball & chain) is a supporting character in the series. (He would argue he is the main character but I digress... ) :)

[@オタナルフィッシング]

少年マンガな感じなのに呆気なくそして危機感もなく殺っちゃうんだ～

[@Syu20130209]

タメ口聞いただけで 火山に落とされるとか…

[@mochi1988113]

さんちょい 殺すところみて止めるわけでもなく…これがおっさんの喧嘩のやり方なんだ…っておいww喧嘩じゃねぇw殺人だろ

[@jousaguya]

鷲頭巌 まぁチェスの駒な時点でほぼ悪人だし

[@月宮天馬]

戦争だしな

[@kotarou7856]

タメ口きいてなくても落とされるのは確定よ 一応世界の命運掛かってるんで

[@john_andaman3498]

どのみち残り2つの理由で死ぬから...

[@うさんくさい]

承太郎ォォォ！！！

[@celestialcressy]

OH MY GOD I REMEMBER

[@恩田知典]

吾郎くんww

[@太郎手帳]

お手本のような三下ムーブww

[@weskersama4022]

Dans la version manga papier, Ali baba va survivre, grace a Phantom.

[@profchaos91]

that's false, in the manga version ali baba gets thrown into a volcano and just dies. I think he gets revived in the anime filler

[@ちゃんれいv2]

これキャンドルの奴出たらアラン溶かされてたくね？

[@gamma-ray9996]

2:03 what’s that music, I’ve been looking for a name but no luck

[@bgm6924]

なんてパワーだ

[@啓裕高木]

ナナシとあらんが好き

[@505vip]

承太郎「やれやれだぜ」

[@目を潰されるとスロカスに喜ばれる]

OVAの承太郎と同じ声優だからでは🤔

[@肝臓くそざこずんだもん]

喧嘩ってなんだっけ…

[@bashzz38]

火口に落とすことじゃないの？

[@ヘイワールド]

え、時雨？

[@ミネバラオザビ陛下]

ワンパンかよww

[@tetsu-chan5414]

メルヘヴン

[@no_name923]

なんでファントムはアリババ助けたんだろ？

[@啓裕高木]

このキャラあらんが今働いている作業所の所長にかおと髪型がにているよ高木です「兄キャラよしひろ」

[@air.manjuu0042]

敵の強さがイマイチわからんアニメだった気がする。ナイトのくせにルークの目をつぶってる人の方がはるかに強そうだったし

[@adoresunikome2556]

air.manjuu00 目つぶってるルークは最後くそつえーよ

[@air.manjuu0042]

adoresu nikome 知ってる。ナイトになってキメラぶっ殺してたよな でも強くなる前の話をしてる

[@adoresunikome2556]

air.manjuu00 見た目で誰が強いかわかんないってことか！ たしかにねーペタとかあんなに強いと思わなかった

[@苺乳_パンダくん]

ギド助けたからね あとラプンツェルぶっ殺したし

[@なくろ-d1f]

air.manjuu00 ナイトのくせにがどのナイトを指してるのかわからんが強くなる前のイアンは別に強くないやろ。ギンタが弱かっただけで強くなったのは修行後だけやわ、かっこいいけどな。

[@batman_32]

ドロシーすき

[@アステカ-p5k]

こいつの見せ場ここだけだよな

[@パンダくんの自由獲得学園]

いや、素直に喜べなくね？w

[@毒林檎-c9g]

アランもドロシーも、相手が少女や子供の敵でも態度悪かったら殺すんだろうか？ ここでパノと対戦してたらどうしてたんだろう？ ジャックの未来の嫁？なのに。

[@e.l.t9975]

What's the name of this anime

[@ragnablade5397]

marchen awaken romance

[@e.l.t9975]

@ragnablade5397 your awesome thanks.

[@Diana-pm1jr]

Lol he just killed someone and a kid said it's amazing and people celebrating? (Don't tell me chess pieces have done worse or the like) Any normal people should've freaked out when they see someone killing another people in front of them, no matter who they are.

[@scottrauch1261]

There is so much wrong with how you just said that. Really screams your either a kid, or had a sheltered life.

[@Diana-pm1jr]

Here's a mirror

[@fbafoundationalbuck-broken6011]

@@scottrauch1261 ARE YOU INSANE OR JUST PRETENTIOUS?

[@maxicornejo9675]

@@scottrauch1261 Are you still living in the middle ages? wtf are you saying?

[@Ander0072originalv2]

I know a lot of people who watch these clips never watched the show, but, by this point, Ginta has heard about the carnage about the prior War Game and the current War Game that began while he was training. He also had to deal with the mass devastation of Vestry where the village was decimated and, if this wasn't a children's anime, all the people would've been killed as Ginta learns Giromu takes pleasure in killing people. Lastly, he encountered Nanashi and what happened at the rogue's hide out, so he has been exposed to the fact that his enemy's literally mass kill people by draining their blood. What I'm getting at is, this isn't some kid's first time witnessing death. By this point in the series, Ginta is used to combat, been exposed to the brutality of his enemies, and has come to terms that he's fighting a war, pushed by the sense of duty that he's doing things for the greater good. Therefore, how the scene played out made sense. Everyone was stunned by the overwhelming force Allen exhibited and then cheered. As for the rest of the people, lol, you say normal people, but normal relative to what? This is a middle ages fantasy world. It's not Berserk grim, but it's grim, especially as the previous War Games happened 6 years ago in the timeline. Everyone present has a recent memory of the war. If any of this was real, they probably would've freaked out like that right before the first War Game commenced and people were first exposed to wanton slaughter in MAR Heaven.

[@シン射]

歩いて火山行くなw このアニメ幼児向けなのはわかるけどめちゃくちゃすぎだろ

[@harrysingson5010]

Anime title pls.

[@Diana-pm1jr]

Mar Heaven

[@4fra1n58]

メルヘブンではなく正しくはMAR(メル)がこの作品の名前 みんなよく間違える

[@jmd_gdr]

ffRain アニメはメルヘブンやぞ

[@なくろ-d1f]

ドクタースランプをドクタースランプアラレちゃんとか、金色のガッシュを金色のガッシュベルって言うようなもんやな。 でもそういうこと言う程にわかっぽい謎。

[@ブルちん-j2r]

漫画はメルでアニメはメルヘブン アニメでタイトル変わる謎

[@jmd_gdr]

ブルちん 多分版権とかの問題やぞ ガッシュとかもそれで名前変わった

[@rurupim]

メルヘブンじゃなくでメルヘヴンだからね！！！ブじゃなくてヴだから！！！！勘違いしないでよね！！！

[@nooooooooop]

ここかあ。首切られちゃうところが小学生くらいの時トラウマだった。アニメじゃ確か色々優しめになってたけど

[@bigchickener5704]

nopp このアニメ好きだったな(・∀・)

[@H_sommelier]

ラプンツェルか、、、

[@門矢士-z7r]

ドロシーのはだけた胸を無修正で見たかったり

[@キャロウキャロ]

このアニメまったく知らないけど絶対マガジンでやってる

[@ふじちゃん日記]

笑笑。 絶対の根拠が分からない笑笑

[@ただのたかし-c3o]

サンデーだよバーーーカ

[@毒林檎-c9g]

残念ですが、ハズレです。

[@加賀さんっ子さん]

アンガーアンガー！

[@nanakousami0421]

このおっさんロランに当たればよかったのに

[@アメリカン武芸者O型れいわ版]

アリババＶＳギロムのイケメン対決が見たい！

[@ヨッシー-i6t2f]

イケメンとは一体……

[@アメリカン武芸者O型れいわ版]

笑。。しまったｗギロムはチンピラでした💦

[@maddaasyafaputra9117]

Is MAR Heaven has many conversation during battle?

[@gardeniachan8780]

Not as many as Naruto's talk no jutsu

[@Alan-cm7ye]

@@gardeniachan8780 Naruto has Obama Rasengan!

[@LKaluf]

Name?

[@Raximus3000]

marchen awakens romance

[@kingkoyreyes2783]

walanang tagalog na fullmuve yon maganda

[@taylorbee4010]

This isn't even that old

[@GokkanZuzu]

10+ years is a pretty long time...