Allision off Australia | Bulker HL Eco Hits and Tows YM Serenity | Australia Charges Ship Master

[@theophrastus3.056]

Irony: You’re anchored when you are hit by a ship with “Safety First” written prominently just below its bridge.

[@Jonny_The_Organism]

Only safety first in the house..

[@Richard-od7yd]

SAFETY FIRST is a Marketing Slogan . Like CLEAN COAL . In actuality the Shipping Industry doesn't do safety because, like Preventive maintenance, cost time and money .

[@3LBane1974]

I'm wondering if Sal paused the video right at that spot to give us the laugh.

[@user-ey6rc1uo3i]

To be fair - didn't see anyone smoking . . .

[@scottfw7169]

Indeed. There you are, on your ship _Serenity_ which is quite serenely anchored and then you get hit by that ship which proclaims "SAFETY FIRST" to all the world and very un-serenely dragged away. Definitely falls within the "You Can't Make This Stuff Up" category.

[@Craig-wp3pz]

The irony of being safely at anchor, then being run down by a tanker with "SAFTEY FIRST!" emblazoned across its front!!

[@gascaptain]

It is not a Tanker

[@hethyrworld]

It just says NO SMOKING. Doesn't say anything about no allisions/collisions.

[@CigarAttache]

Should be “smoke’em if you got em” 😂

[@skutchBlobaum]

@@CigarAttache Evidently they were the funny smelling left handed ones.

[@sirrichard6685]

@@skutchBlobaumhey there’s nothing wrong with the left handed cigs nowadays lol😅

[@VideosfromaSailor]

Indian mariner here, YM serinity's crew uniform looks like from fleet management limited, one of the largest ship managers in the world. Crew is speaking hindi so definitely Indian. At one point, ship's captain is asking Bosun(Boatswain) to loose the anchor brake, then he asks to keep taking pictures.

[@wgowshipping]

Thanks for the translation. I assumed that they were loosening the anchor as that explains how it starts running out after they snagged it.

[@VideosfromaSailor]

​@@wgowshippingyes sir.

[@JasonBlack66]

thank you, I appreciate the translation. I cant understand Indian almost at all.

[@saltyseadawg4768]

Thanks mate.

[@tedmoss]

Now there was a captain and crew that knew what they were doing and had the nerve to do it.

[@gigglingdingo]

As a former Master Mariner on Bulk Carriesr, LNG and Crude Tanker and now retired International Maritime lawyer who specialised in investigating and advising Insurers on these sort of cases around the world.... It is untrue that criminal charges for COLREG Breaches have not been sought in Australia before - I have done them, not only in Australia but in other countries as well. In my opinion explaining to lower level Australian courts (usually a Magistrate Court or at best, a District Court) the nuances of COLREGS in the "correct context" can be difficult because of the way the lower courts function and their tendency is to rationalise COLREGS cases like car accident cases instead of under the proper scope of Admiralty/Marine law. Hopefully, the matter gets to a Superior Court (State Supreme or Federal Court) who have better Maritime Law knowledge in the courts. The Federal Courts typically only are used for the civil law aspects of these sort of collisions, if civil proceedings are brought in Australia (usually only matters of Limit of liability and Ship Arrest proceedings) - generally unless there is a Ship Arrests involved, the civil proceedings are not done in Australia and are majority of the time done in the UK. By the way did you notice the wake/rudder wake of HL Eco ( at about 4 min 28 of your video) just after the Collision in the video (on Starboard side of YM Serenity) ? - it gives generic information about rudder movements at or about the time of impact and whether rudder orders can be argued to contribute to any possible negligence/ fault. Oh and for clarification - I would not call this an "allision" - The Ship at anchor is "Not Under way" and is not permanently fixed to the sea floor - so it is a Collision. Keep up the good work - I like your channel.

[@wgowshipping]

Capt...thanks for contributing to the discussion and all the expertise that you bring to this discussion. Cheers!

[@lindsaydempsey5683]

Sounds like very interesting and varied work, thanks for commenting.

[@PandemoniumMeltDown]

@@wgowshipping I like your channel so much! You attract amazing people! Thank to both of you!

[@michaelharrington223]

Thanks for listening some extra facts to the case captain.

[@seanworkman431]

For an island continent that is a recognized country we do very poorly when it comes to maritime law. I susspect that the master did not take into account the following current/tidal flow when approaching the anchorage which can skip along at 6knt making any rudder inputs pointless at low speed.

[@Malachamavet]

Seeing the giant SAFETY FIRST fill your vision as you're collided with lol

[@PandemoniumMeltDown]

One could also feeeel the SAFETY FIRST, I'm sure of it!

[@rolandthethompsongunner64]

I’m painting that on the front of my F-250 😂

[@ZGryphon]

@@rolandthethompsongunner64 Backward, like on an ambulance?

[@nekomakhea9440]

"I wouldn't be up at the bow while this allision is happening" It's fine, the cameraman never dies

[@danam0228]

Lmao

[@kcnmsepognln]

genu-lol

[@gshingles]

No, you just never see the footage :)

[@Comm0ut]

Robert Capa might have a word were he able. 🤣

[@JelMain]

Camerawomen are a different question.

[@rolandthethompsongunner64]

Sal is spot on. There’s no way HL Eco lost power if she was able to maneuver and gain speed. And drag another ship from its anchorage. 😂

[@brandywell44]

Allision is a new word for me, thankyou Sal Allision is a nautical term that refers to a vessel striking a stationary object, such as a dock or bridge. It's different from a collision, which is when two moving objects hit each other, like two passing ships

[@WarrioJ]

Is a vessel at anchor considered a stationary object making this an allision?

[@nathanirick8693]

​@@WarrioJ(just as an observer in a land locked state) it seemed like the interaction became very kinetic even if one ship was motionless before the interaction. I haven't concerned the definitions before but I suppose it is a collision with no stationary objects around.

[@SerendipityChild]

I learnt 2 words today, and both give nuance .. there's allison/ collision to say if it's 1 or both vessels moving when they strike. Rhyming/ alliteration/ assonation .. rhyming words have the same ending, alliterative have the same start, but assonating words match because they use the same internal vowel sounds ("row, boat, drone") _or_ because they use all the same consonants with a different vowel (killed, culled, cold)

[@yl0000]

@@WarrioJ according to Merriam-Webster, “allision, 1…., 2. : the running of one ship upon another ship that is stationary. distinguished from collision”

[@markcoveryourassets]

Am I covered for this on my auto policy?😅

[@GaryL3803]

Going all "Juan Browne" - Hahahaha. Juan is definitely a presentation master.

[@Mentaculus42]

Is that a good thing?

[@fantabuloussnuffaluffagus]

@@Mentaculus42 Juan Browne does aircraft accident analysis on the Blancolirio channel. Check him out and judge for yourself, I think his stuff is great.

[@thenightraven60]

I'm waiting for Juan to go all Sal on us.😂😂

[@andreasu.3546]

The aviation guy?

[@dewiz9596]

That was beautiful!

[@2dogsmowing]

I felt the "whoo". That was a whoo of " we didn't blow up".

[@mazwa2007]

absolutely. look up fuel air explosives/bombs. if one of those tanks was penetrated, leaked a bit, then set off when the gas reached the hot stack, or some other source, it is the closest think to a nuclear bomb you can get. I would not want to be within 5 miles of one of those tanks going off. they need better protection. they are so vulnerable to collisions with cranes at the dock that we see reasonably often, as well as incidents like this.

[@2dogsmowing]

@mazwa2007 I've seen videos before of natural gas going off. Especially when it's leaked then a random spark. The gas engulfs everything. Then boom with flame everywhere at once. Not a good time to be had.

[@Pasandeeros]

LNG tanks are typically not pressurised. Had this tank ruptured in the collision, the cryogenic liquid would have "just" flowed out. Except there would likely have been enough energy to ignite the LNG and the result would have been truly massive fire on both decks and between the ships. But no explosion.

[@2dogsmowing]

@Pasandeeros in the end, still very bad out come. If it did go up in flames.

[@stevecrombie5357]

Found you during the Dali incident. I didn't realize how interesting I would find the type of info you provide on things shipping related around the world. Thanks. I will continue to follow your channel.

[@silentotto5099]

That's my experience too. I didn't know how interesting global shipping was until Sal started explaining it to me.

[@grondhero]

*allision:* *1 obsolete:* the action of dashing against or striking upon *2:* the running of one ship upon another ship that is stationary -distinguished from collision *SIDE NOTE:* This is the second or third time I've heard the word *_allision_* mentioned in a video and each one has been this year.

[@mahbriggs]

A first for me!

[@nightowl9519]

More professional channels covering this stuff is why

[@catsupchutney]

It's commonly used in reports issued by the Coast Guard etc. Every profession has a vocabulary they prefer. To think how often I have heard the word remediate in lieu of simply repair or rectify.

[@nickboylen6873]

Collision perhaps uses the "co" as a root indicating the motion of two or more objects which meet. The "a" in allision would indicate a single body in motion - it is comparable to asexual reproduction having one genetic donor, not two.

[@catsupchutney]

@@nickboylen6873 Read NTSB incident reports, that word is used often.

[@sirrichard6685]

Very fortunate there wasn’t a release of LNG and an explosion. Another banger episode Sal thanks for keeping us informed at sea

[@connieembury1]

I had thought typo on the term "Allision" but looked up the word and now my vocabulary has increased.

[@1337flite]

Criminal prosecutions DO happen in other industries - truck drivers are charged when they drive their trucks unsafely. Bus drivers who drive their busses under the influence. Hundreds of thousands of tons of moving vehicle, risk to life of the offending ship's crewm, the ship that is hit, any SAR resoruces of salvagers, potential for massive environmental damage - which the shipping company probably can't afford to clean up. We only have to look at the list of vastly expensive events that have occured over the last few years - Evergreen in the Suez Canal - the bridge in Baltimore. A civil case presumably lets a negligent master keep working. If a master doesn't want to be charged he should make sure his ship is maintained, seaworthy and this crew is competeant and safe. Yeah as a Aussie I'm OK with my government levying a $26K fine if the master screwed up or was negligent.

[@davidoldboy5425]

At first glance most would agree with you, however the above don't work 24 hrs a day, 7 days a week with one person. Through a fault of history there is only Master, but like most mortals he needs rest and has to put his faith in the hands of others. Most Masters regularly work over 24 hrs at a stretch because the rules say they should be there, Fog, bad weather, transiting canals etc etc. Catnapping and entrusting pilots and mates to get rest, however they take great risks doing this. They can be in bed in port and the engineer spills oil bunkering, who gets arrested?? yes the Master. Regarding your other comments, ships are required to be insured for environmental damage. Quote 'he should make sure his ship is maintained, seaworthy and this crew is competeant and safe.' Everyone would agree with that, unfortunately it is out of his control, maintenance is costly and most Company's only do what they have to to pass inspections, seaworthy, certainly, any Master who goes to sea in an unseaworthy condition is a fool, but companies threaten and put pressure on, as for crew is competent the Master has absolutely no control over who he gets or the quality, but agreed the crew should be kept safe.

[@user-ey6rc1uo3i]

It's easy to say that the Master should ensure his ship and crew are this and that. But what happens when the Captain is only contracted for a short period or even for a single voyage - and may have only seen the ship for the first time the day before sailing ?

[@DeepThought9999]

@@davidoldboy5425Retired bus/coach driver here. Here in Australia, we have laws relating to road transport that deal with the “Chain of Responsibility”, whereby if a company has forced or otherwise induced or allowed a safety breach to be performed by the driver of a vehicle while in their performance of their duties for that company, all of those up the company’s chain of command up to and including the company directors also can be held to be fully responsible for whatever wrong-doing was done as a result of the company’s driver’s actions or inactions. I don’t know if this applies in the shipping industry here or elsewhere but would be interested to know.

[@beeble2003]

@@davidoldboy5425 "At first glance most would agree with you, however the above don't work 24 hrs a day, 7 days a week with one person." That's because a truck or a bus has a crew of one. Ships don't.

[@davidoldboy5425]

@@beeble2003 No s..t Sherlock? did you actually read what I said lol?

[@MZHAMRICK1]

Ralphie filming on the bow like "[Chuckles] I'm in danger!"

[@NortyNige]

Ha Haaa

[@bradraymond5502]

"no others treat their workers like criminals when they do" uuuhhh thats bullshit. Im an electrician, i promise you theres a whole host of mistakes i could make that would see me in prison. we dont get to fuck those things up... ever... not fuckin that up is litterally why we have lisences for it. great power great responsibility or some such

[@PandemoniumMeltDown]

Har!

[@MrBillpops]

So true as a senior control electrician at a Nuclear Power Plant (in charge of Unit Two) Everything I & fellow shop mates were aware of the potential miss hap causing a huge problem that we could be criminally charged. High stress but loved it. Learned so much. All systems were our responsibility. From reactor control, generation control, to our own sewage treatment plant systems. The public will never know the hard work and dedication of that work force. Yes small shit happens to break & backup can fail. Then it’s all assholes & elbows running into gear by everyone. We train for it, review it afterwards, learn from other companies the info is shared. That’s why the high safety record of the whole nuclear industry. So remember that when you throw the light switch or push the button to open garage door. The shipping industry and their company owners cutting corners shoddy of deferred maintenance can kill and cause huge environmental damage. Train train then train again. Be professional each and every seaman your life and your shipmates life depends on it. The CREW in total works together like a well smooth running Swiss Watch each gear cog is important.

[@robmcilroy2911]

Truck drivers?

[@ianmorris8534]

assuming great power is the result of v=I/r x? I take your point seriously though. Too often, employers {industries} ask for their workers to adhere to production targets and turn a blind eye to the shortcuts necessarry to acievement.

[@Alan.livingston]

I believe it’s the same with structural engineers

[@colgategilbert8067]

That LNG is not only explosive but at -200 F. It could freeze you solid before you could run.

[@lindsaydempsey5683]

Absolutely, that rapidly expanding cloud of supercold vapour would almost certainly kill anyone that it contacted. One deep breath burns the lung tissue, and it's over at that point, other bad things would also happen, but the lung damage is pretty quick and permanent.

[@allangibson8494]

Actually considerably colder -260F (-161.5C). It flash boils on contact with seawater but its low density causes a film to spread quite a distance while that happens. The tanks are apparently oversized because they need enough capacity to do a complete round trip with reserves (the ships refuel in Australia where LNG is cheaper).

[@DJSockmonkeyMusic]

The cold burns would be horrific. I've had a couple of minor incidents with LPG/LNG gas cylinders, and they hurt, a lot.

[@braveworld2707]

Mmmm icey. 🤦‍♂

[@RayzeR_RayE]

On today's episode of What's going on with shipping: praise the cameraman for giving us this, Wooo

[@carlbell3689]

Thanks Sal This is not making much news in Australia Australia is blind to maritime issues

[@beeble2003]

It's not making much news because it's a pretty minor incident to anyone who's not specifically interested in shipping. Would you expect it to make much news if a truck drove at low speed into another truck and nobody was injured?

[@KoDeMondo]

No that isn't true is just because you are not reading this is mainstream media it dosen't means no one talks about it. You just need to read nautical maritime news you then will get plenty of this news

[@VideosfromaSailor]

@@carlbell3689 being a sailor , i can tell you with great confidence that australian maritime authority is one if the best in the world and very "pro mariner rights" in every aspect. When ever a crew is being harassed or cheated in salary or not getting timely sign off from his contract. He wishes the ship would be in OZ waters, so that he can get sure shot assistance from OZ maritime Authority AMSA.

[@SocialDownclimber]

@@beeble2003 That would absolutely end up on Dashcams Aus to ten times the viewership of this channel though.

[@k9killer221]

The potential consequences and the bizzare nature of the accident certainly warrant a trial. This is not exactly a regular incident in Australian waters and I want a full hearing as to how this happened.

[@infopubs]

The Dayang leaving immediately afterwards is the smartest thing I've seen in a while. No sense sticking around playing bumper boats.

[@almirria6753]

Even if the fuel tanks read empty, there is still residual fuel in a pressurized state, and that is an extreme fire risk

[@KoDeMondo]

Ah so then what??

[@almirria6753]

@@KoDeMondo The risk for fire & or explosion goes up by a multitude of levels

[@blaydCA]

These are the same people trying to park at the local grocery store, with the same results.

[@Archangelm127]

This is more akin to an 18-wheeler sideswiping another; one expects more of professionals.

[@SteamCrane]

@@Archangelm127 Swift!

[@michaels1997]

So pleased you've picked up on this story Sam - I saw the footage but couldn't understand the collision happened as it did, so your ongoing review of the story will be very interesting. Best wishes from the UK!

[@wgowshipping]

Glad you enjoyed it. Sal vice Sam 😇

[@ForTheBirbs]

A BLEVE is more than nasty indeed, with an expansion of 278 times. Wooshka! Regards from a medically retired fire-fighter of 42 years and Aussie Government fire science research tech. Cheers!

[@firerose7936]

No bleve, no foul? 🔥 I think that went about as well as it could for as poorly as it went.

[@alexandermonro6768]

​@@firerose7936Nobody injured, no vessel sank. It could certainly have been a lot worse!

[@Wannes_]

With a bit of bad luck, a severe leak could mean they suck in natural gas through the air inlet, leading to a runaway engine they can't stop

[@tonywilson4713]

Australian engineer here: I'm formally trained and certified in both functional safety (TUV) and EEHA. Rupturing an LNG tank does NOT create a BLEVE, but it certainly makes one possible and that's because the LNG will quickly boil without any fire, ignition or explosion. I got into some ugly discussions over the BLEVE in Beiruit a couple of years ago and it certainly was a BLEVE. If you get into the details BLEVE is not that well defined but basically its when you have an initial fire or explosion that creates the boiling liquid and vapor cloud which then mixes with the surrounding air. That's the boiling liquid and expanding vapor cloud part of BLEVE. If you think about what a thermobaric bomb does which is to disperse the fuel, let it mix with the air and then detonate it that basically a BLEVE. There's was at one point a few really good examples on KZbin but they have been drowned out but the scumbags wanting attention and clicks. Of the few decent vids on thermobaric devices Ryan McBeth who's ex-US Military and is actually informative does a good one. If you search BLEVE on KZbin you get a bunch of older vids, but some are very good but also kind of scary. The best I know of is the BLEVE training video that's on the channel VideoSpikes as it explains what is going on. There's one from Mexico City and its a good example of the 2 stage nature of a BLEVE. At 0:58 there's the initial explosion and creation of the vapor cloud and then about 2 seconds later there's the fireball. Maybe the most frightening one is the "Atmospheric Storage Tank Explosion" posted by Mohamad Mahdi Amiri of what happened in Tehran in 2021.

[@brunonikodemski2420]

@@tonywilson4713 We've seen this before, and actually designed some triggers for making this type of explosion in a controlled fashion. When a tank is ruptured the outcoming vapor is supersaturated, and will not usually ignite. Even with incendiary bullets, they just dissipate in the fluid. However, as the steel artifacts scrape against each other, there will be sparking along the surfaces. Usually this results in a rocketlike spewing of flaming gas, with fluid mixed in. In this incident, that outflow would probably have engulfed the bow crew. It is highly unlikely that this would have resulted in a detonation until the original tank was mostly vented. As such the ships would have passed by each other. We've seen this twice before at a smaller scale, and in both cases the tanks spew flaming jets outward, and then the jet just slowly sinks downward and slowly goes out with a small "pop" when the tank finally allows oxygen back into it. Tanks which are burned during or afterwards in these events are mostly due to adjacent combustibles, which are set on fire from the local heating.

[@UncleJoeLITE]

Thanks from AU for covering this.

[@allanriches9381]

I am a retired fireman from Sydney Australia, we did a lot of training on the good old BLEVE. That would have been a huge explosion

[@captainforrest9809]

Crew have balls nearly as big as that gas tank to be up there videoing it getting torn open. I woulda bailed. That was nearly an episode of "Seconds before Disaster"

[@RobertCarroll-by1re]

that was unbelievable seeing one ship tow another by the anchor chain.

[@Z4Zander]

This is your captain speaking.Today's entertainment will be water skiing.

[@franksudduth]

"We're going to go all Juan Brown here". Love it! Juan (blancolirio) is who brought me to this channel.

[@ushwallman2070]

"Your good, your good, your good, your good!" *vicious scraping noise*

[@PandemoniumMeltDown]

.. keep going, you're still good, trust me, it's just a scratch...

[@markodeen4105]

#BetterCallSal and #Blancolirio are my go to experts! Thanks Sal

[@greenthing99100]

In many countries a senior employee who negligently permits an event to occur in which lives could have been put in danger is subject to criminal prosecution. The crew of YM Serenity [ironic name] did a good job under difficult circumstances, but they were in danger from the damaged LPG tank, the snagged anchor chain and unexpectedly finding themselves under way.

[@jamesburns8247]

You mentioned the difficulty of getting new persons into the industry. Last night on a Cleveland channel I heard an Ashtabula police officer stating the Coast Guard is closing stations on Lake Erie due to the inability to attract personal causing great danger in the deeper waters since the local safety services don't have craft worthy of duty on the deep waters. I worry over this since my 6yrs on Ocean Going Tugs in the USN provided great experience, experiences and a career of 42 years which could benefit anyone willing to enlist and serve. Possibly the violence we have witnessed these last two decades are a catalist

[@noelthorley3248]

Attracting staff has become a huge issue everywhere, but especially in such fields as emergency services, military, police and even many of the trades are suffering. I lay the blame for this squarely at the feet of our various education systems and establishments. Instead of being equipped with a relevant education, our children are being mislead, dumbed down and are groomed as activists from an early age. They filled with of dread for the future and have to deal with a sense of hopelessness. They are taught to ignore their parents guidance and so many are lacking in good role models. they are not getting an education, they are being indoctrinated with soul destroying diatribe purely designed to act as good little foot soldiers in what is basically a war against their own culture, being made to feel guilty for something they did not do with documented history being ignored for the convenience of a narrative. Again, all aimed at bringing down the very culture and economic system that has lifted far more people out of poverty, created a wealth of opportunity and has been at the forefront of innovation, being western culture and free market capitalism. Nothing else comes close. The woke mind virus is thinly veiled Marxism, taking advantage, the general, tolerance, kindness & desire to do the right thing, which has been incorporated as part of our culture over time and especially in latter years. It has infiltrated our universities, our schools, our establishments of governance and structures of management. It exists opportunistically, in the afore mentioned governmental and management systems, as much as an obfuscation of the rampant corruption and inefficiency, encouraged by those who's only goal is an unquenchable thirst for money and power. They don't believe in the ill-conceived dictates and nor do they abide by them. To my mind it has been nothing short of treason and child abuse. Those complicit and responsible must be held to account and this demented plague purged from our existence in its entirety, save a warning note in history, so it can be recognised and controlled in future. We must return to a scientific approach, with funding for replication and robust review. I say this as recently, there have been over 10,000 retracted and that's from one publishing house alone. Form more information and further details, please visit the KZbin channel "Business Reform"

[@Wee162]

I do believe you’re suffering from Woke Derangement Syndrome. Chill.

[@americafirst3738]

​@@noelthorley3248 Well put!!!

[@SteamCrane]

Station Fairport Ohio is down to 40 hours per week.

[@KoDeMondo]

But why do we have to meddle in all kinds of speeches that have nothing to do with what happened I don't understand!!

[@TheSuzberry]

If I drive my car carelessly and cause an accident, I’m at fault and charged accordingly. So, what makes seafaring different? 15:18

[@KoDeMondo]

Maritime law is different.. Pealse refrain to post such stupid comments

[@MrWolfriver]

Goin’ All Juan Browne! Nice when quality recognizes quality. You two are treasures to the KZbin community. Thank you for your coverage.

[@samday6621]

One point to consider is the proximity of Hay Point to The Great Barrier Reef. Australia has experienced a lot of coral bleaching and devastation from the crown of thorns star fish. The country is already at risk of losing it’s credibility with world environmental authorities at managing the reef. An oil spill would have major repercussions for the Government, it’s environmental credentials, shipping in the region etc. The clean up expensive and alarming to environmental groups. This is probably why prosecution was so harsh.

[@thatsbollox]

Both crown of thorns and coral bleaching are simply natural events you cannot stop by banning ships passing nearby....nor fixed by preaching climate change activism.

[@AnarchyEnsues]

I lived in mackay for 2 years, there is always 10-20 ships in that anchorage... Very crowded port.

[@cuckedandloaded894]

yeah you see at least 30 out on achor all the time when you go to land into MKY.

[@simonsays9274]

Number is much higher now. Historically it's been over 120 at points now sitting around 40-50

[@AnarchyEnsues]

@@simonsays9274 your right, i stayed at sladepoint for a long time doing night shift, and coming home looking over the pearl chain of lights over the water...

[@simonsays9274]

​@AnarchyEnsues yeah mate. I think a lot of people see it from North Mackay where you can only see the vessels clearly in the northern anchorage. The one south gets full and often the overflow into offshore gets pretty awesome to see especially at night like you've seen!

[@NortyNige]

@@simonsays9274 You want to try sailing through them when the tide changes.

[@TheVigilant109]

Thanks for the analysis and explanation Sal

[@wgowshipping]

My pleasure!

[@AllNighterHeider]

I bet the pilot was playing the Bab-el-Mandeb drinking game before the collision. Thanks Sal

[@simonsays9274]

No pilot on board at that point. Pilot is off after hydrographers passage and the harbour pilot boards after they anchor

[@AllNighterHeider]

@@simonsays9274 Roger that

[@simonsays9274]

​@@AllNighterHeider master definitely played some drinking games around the vts limit perhaps 😅

[@shannonjcampbell]

I love the humor as you reference Juan Brown of blancolirio channel. You both are a couple of my favorite SMEs reporting on incidents, historical aspects, lessons learned and offer expert context adding both humor and seriousness. Appreciate what you do. Thanks for sharing.

[@SuperPirate100]

The dust is a mix of rust and brake band material as it renders under load. Thank god that gas tank didnt rupture. As a pilot, I've had a couple of ships were ringing down to dead dlow ended up with full sea speed , its quite a surprise , dropping an anchor at 5 knots will tesult in destroying the windlass brakes and finally ripping the chain out of the ship without doing anything to slow the ship. In a situation like this id release the brake on the windlass in the hope an up and down chain wasnt fouled by the other ship thus drawing the two ships together .

[@Wannes_]

If another ship is caught on the anchor chain, I'd let it be ripped out rather than get dragged along by a runaway vessel

[@AutoReport1]

That's BS about other industries not being charged criminally for accidents. Happens all the time. Criminal negligence is a thing, and you can get a long sentence if people are injured or die as a result.

[@lindsaydempsey5683]

If the master's conduct amounts to reckless or negligent navigation, I think that criminal charges are not unreasonable. If someone negligently drove their car or delivery van down a sidewalk resulting in someone's death I'm pretty sure that criminal charges would follow.

[@KoDeMondo]

But don't say things you don't know.

[@AnthonyQ730]

Had to chuckle at the Juan Browne reference 😊 as a pilot it's another one of my favorite go-to channels (Blancolirio)...he even crossed into your domain a while back with his explanation of the physics that caused (or contributed to) the Ever Given being sucked into the bank...

[@RichardGeiszler]

"Safety First"!!!!

[@jeromemorris2700]

Seem to recall LNG expands 600 percent. Liquid to gas.

[@filmbuffo5616]

Serenity now!

[@Robbo-fu5fm]

Sal, interesting, the Australian Transport Safety Bureau has nothing on its website yet. yes, you are correct, the tanks are cold storage vessels, not pressure vessels. another interesting fact, when LNG is supercooled it undergoes a phase change and becomes a liquid and shrinks to 1/700 th of its gaseous phase volume. please keep up the great work,

[@KoDeMondo]

But why do you think that?? But are you stupid or what?

[@user-mc7ez6lm4x]

Sal is my favorite! He was like all of us, bound hopelessly to the narrative and re-translating, but he started leveling up his polite correctness and became a pro journalist!

[@VideosfromaSailor]

14:26 as sal is asking weather captain takes the ship to next port or cheif mate takes control. Answer is- usually if enough manpower is present on Board ship even after removing captain then "SAFE MANNING CRITERIA" of international maritime org is not voilated and ship can saik without captain. But if SMC is voilated, then shipping companies immediately fly in different captain to take charge and take the ship to next port.

[@MaritimeAnalytica]

Wow, this is a fascinating analysis of the collision between the HL Echo and YM Serenity. 🌊 The detailed breakdown of the events leading up to and following the incident really highlights the complexities of maritime navigation and safety. It’s incredible how such a seemingly routine maneuver turned into such a significant event. The insights into the LNG tanks and the technical aspects of the collision add a whole new layer of understanding. Kudos to the team for shedding light on this dramatic incident and providing such a thorough examination. 🚢👏

[@seanworkman431]

As an Australian seafarer I can assure you that our coal ports are busy, I once went through the anchorage at Stockton Bight, the entrance to Newcastle Harbour and counted 176 ships at anchor, 30 years ago Further North where this collission took place is even busier. The trouble up North is the Great Barrier Reef, which is a world heritage marine sanctuary and we had to make a passage, the Hydrographers Passage, to prevent ship attemting to weave through the reef. Big fine if you don't use it, even impound the ship. It is such a shame that our government insist on attemting to run our country on wind mills and sun catches while selling our coal to foreign entities.

[@DJ99777]

Exactly.

[@ACDZ123]

Vote 1 nation 🇦🇺

[@Optimiser113]

Exactly!

[@AndyFletcherX31]

Would be better for the world if the coal was left in the ground. Australia has a lot of wind and sunlight which could be used to make fuels for export like ammonia and hydrogen.

[@ACDZ123]

@AndyFletcherX31 solar and wind are to unreliable

[@FATMAN_tactical]

wow shout out to the camera guy

[@wgowshipping]

A brave dude!

[@grondhero]

"The cameraman always survives." - Camera guy, probably. 😉

[@nomenclature9373]

@@grondhero RIP cameraman who was live streaming from the admin building across from the Beirut wearhouse prior to explosion.

[@anthonypaterson7066]

hi Sal, amazed at the vulnerability of these wing tanks. If they were across the stern or stacked on the stern, probably better protected by superstructure. Great Channel by the way.

[@Gantradies]

Yeah- I immediately had thoughts when I realised those were tanks rather then a life boat with distorted perspective or something- I could think of a more exposed way to mount them, but you’d really have to put effort and sling them from the …

[@stevengill1736]

Allision, not a collision, a new word, yay....ship I was on had a minor bumplike that with an anchored ship in Balboa - no harm done, but it was scary... Soon as I saw that tank I thought, yikes!!

[@The_Modeling_Underdog]

Talk about a fender bender... Amazed at how the structure holding the tank got loose from the impact. Perfect example of forward momentum. Thankfully, no one got hurt. Thanks for sharing your analysis about what happened, Sal. Cheers.

[@denverbraughler3948]

Yes, criminal charges are appropriate when reckless conduct occurs. If shipping companies want to hire captains/masters, then there have to be procedures to ensure safety. A computer, e.g., a tablet or a laptop, can easily calculate safety margins.

[@alayneperrott9693]

Good point about the fuel tanks. Could have been horrendous.

[@oznews1]

No surprise really . Towns like Gladstone queensland have the horizon lit up like a freeway. Glowing ship lights everywhere of coast 👍🏻✌🏻

[@rowejon]

Very interesting. There is a towing technique for boats/ships where the tow "rope" is a length of rope, a length of chain & then more rope. Gravity acting on the chain acts as a sort of spring.

[@nicholasleistra9920]

One item of note, the portion you read about criminal charges for mariners is not 100% accurate. In the US, railroad and aircraft technicians are subject to both civil and criminal penalties under the FRA and FAA rules, respectively.

[@beeble2003]

It's 0% accurate. Workers in EVERY industry are held criminally liable if they do something criminally bad.

[@FlyingDoctor60]

The ‘criminalization of error’ is a trend in many fields, including medicine, aviation, and shipping. This is counter-productive in terms of developing a culture of safety because it chills the willingness of professionals to openly discuss their errors in order to identify changes in procedure that can improve safety. Absent reckless disregard for safety (e.g., operating while intoxicated) or intention acts (e.g., deliberate ramming or sabotage) these sorts of incidents should be resolved via civil proceedings with the goal of fairly compensating injured parties while seeking to improve safety and efficiency.

[@montey1017]

It was a natural gas engine. When you shut down a large natural gas engine, you shut off fuel and keep ignition on. This is to prevent flammable gasses hitting hot muffler parts, and igniting/backfiring. Sometimes when an engine loses fuel, it runs lean and surge for a few seconds. Possibly they experienced something similar on a larger scale.

[@moors710]

One of the ways we prevented conduction between inner and outer walls of the vessel, was to put activated charcoal in the bottom of the tank which adsorbs air when cooled cryogenicly and makes a vacuum space between the tanks forming a Dewar bottle.

[@allangibson8494]

LNG tanks use a dry nitrogen purge on the tank walls to prevent water ingress with the intervening space filled with vermiculite. The worst failure is an ice bridge forming between the inner and outer walls (that can survive a hard vacuum).

[@boyo2012]

4:36 Always love the Juan call outs hahah!

[@russbell6418]

I’d never heard it before! Blancolirio? I laughed! 😂😅😂For those not aware, Blancolirio is a (mostly) aviation safety channel.

[@davidparsons3760]

You and Juan. I've followed both of you for quite a while😊

[@Prifly70]

Dr Sal...you and Juan are my go to mishap/history experts on and above the sea.

[@ross-sy7rh]

Thanks Sal, the internet would not be the same with out you! You are a bulwark of honest reporting! I can not thank you enough...

[@cmarano]

You have to wonder what marine architects are thinking sometimes. If the LNG on that ship did blevvy and the crew had to leave the ship... well, just look at where the lifeboat is.

[@SteamCrane]

There wouldn't be time anyway.

[@cmarano]

@@SteamCrane Depends on how badly the tank was damaged Could be an enormous blast or just some jets of flame.Still, not a great place for a lifeboat.

[@jayphailey]

"NO other industry treats employees as criminals when there's an accident." Railroad workers would like to have a word.

[@1994fergo]

Truck drivers too

[@beeble2003]

@@1994fergo And basically every other industry. Workers in EVERY industry are treated as criminals if they do something criminally bad.

[@jamesphillips2285]

@@beeble2003 But not the executives in charge of equipment and training typically.

[@KoDeMondo]

Still?? The maritime industry and maritime laws have nothing to do with Public transport just put these Stupid comments away

[@beeble2003]

@@KoDeMondo The part that's stupid is the belief that sailors should somehow be above the law.

[@CrossCultural-c7f]

One of the few times I can agree with criminal charges would be if the master was under the influence of substances which would result in this mishap.

[@KoDeMondo]

But what do you know about criminal charges to say such nonsense??

[@andrewbeattieRAB]

Not to mention rust is iron oxide, a huge oxidizer. Under friction, it throws sparks. This could have been a catastrophe.

[@77gravity]

Why would you put LNG tanks out in the WORST place to survive a collision? Surely they should be placed further inboard?

[@srper2]

Abbot point was controversial due to the risk to the Great Barrier Reef and the problem of Australia exporting coal for profits and contributing to global warming. This accident could have caused terrible damage to the reef.

[@simonsays9274]

@@srper2 Actually the systems protecting the reef such as reef vts and the port vts systems are first class in these areas. This particular anchorage there is no reef in or nearby. The ships going into abbot Point and Hay Point are coming through naturally formed gaps in the outer reef with many years of planning and input from pilots and industry to make this as safe as possible. These terminals are also in areas well away from inner reef ecosystems systems such as the Whitsundays. We know coal isn't good but there is a concerted effort behind the scenes to preserve the reef.

[@clarino2]

“…go all Juan Brown...” 😂

[@wgowshipping]

@@clarino2 It is how I feel every time I do such a breakdown.

[@markcoveryourassets]

Yeah, man, don’t be going Dan Gryder on us.

[@Hybris51129]

I am a trucker and the saying among drivers is "The Driver is always at fault.". Even if my rig is parked and a car hits me more than likely my federal driving record will be black marked as having had a accident and thus effectively at fault regardless of what actually happened or what is legally determined given the wording of the regulations of the FMCSA. I have little to no doubt that Captains at sea are held to at least the same standard and it wouldn't surprise me if they also have more avenues of clearing their name if it is found the fault doesn't lie with them. In this case just seeing the sudden acceleration the Eco makes it really hard to say that she wasn't out of control without a lot of supporting evidence.

[@Archangelm127]

If you are literally penalized for some idiot driving into your rig while you're parked, then something needs to change. If you are genuinely not at fault, justice (as a principle) demands a legitimate avenue of recourse.

[@Hybris51129]

@@Archangelm127 I have never heard of anyone successfully appealing a strike. Most drivers just have to hope that they don't get fired and wait for the black mark to time out after I think 3 to 5 years so it's not held against them. People love to say that the trucking industry is well regulated but in reality it is horribly misregulated in all the wrong places for all the wrong reasons.

[@Archangelm127]

@@Hybris51129 Well, I'll add that to the list for after I take over the world.

[@Paladin1873]

This incident reminds me of a story from WWII about a Spitfire pilot who wrecked his aircraft while taxing at high speed. During the subsequent investigation he claimed that once he became aware that his brakes had failed, he decided to hurry back to the hangar before he had an accident.

[@poowg2657]

"Honest Mr. Inspector, that anchored ship jumped right out of the ditch and hit me!"

[@Mountain-Man-3000]

HL Eco looks like it belongs in a Star Wars movie with those LNG pods. LoL

[@hatework4282]

Two ships meet and decide to make a boat, and you're out here showing it all over youtube. Have some class, man.

[@PandemoniumMeltDown]

I, also, thought these two should get a room!

[@limyrob1383]

The video is very clear, the HL Eco is under power. That has important liability significance for insurance and prosecution. What you may be seeing in the initial report is the beginning of a "plea bargain" by creating a narrative that the ship was "adrift" and so enable the insurers to settle with liability but not fault. The Australian prosecution could scupper that plan. The calls for less prosecution are a smokescreen, designed to protect owners not mariners, people prefer to work in a well regulated safe industry.

[@bones1225]

I had a similar occurrence. Me, being the dragged vessel almost collided with another vessel astern. I often wonder, under colregs, would I have been at fault?. I was ship underway, once I had my engines started to counteract the drag, thereby making me the stand-off vessel. A weird loophole. May the best insurance company win.

[@mr.shannon6137]

I dont fully understand why Cal thinks mariner captains shouldn't get prosecuted. When everyone else gets prosecuted for moving violations, even if unintentional. Speeding, reckless driving, reckless endangerment, felony reckless endangerment, DUI, failing to stop at a stop sign, failing to yield the right of way. Failure to maintain control of a commercial vehicle resulting in property damage, etc. All that I have listed and hundreds more offenses get prosecuted. I admit I am ignorant of maritime law and tradition, for the most part.

[@basilpunton5702]

The argument that only mariners can face criminal charges is untrue. If a taxi crashes into another car and kills someone then the driver faces criminal prosecution. Other cases can be seen in any work.

[@geebee802]

Haha loved the Juan Brown callout!! Been enjoying your channel since the beginning, and so glad to see the tremendous growth you’ve had Sal, like Juan Brown….you’re a gem among KZbin!

[@jonobester5817]

I still want to know about the two collisions of identical US Navy warships in the South China Sea several years ago..

[@ThatOpalGuy]

My brakes didn't work! How many of us used that excuse?

[@TheSuzberry]

And got away with it? Fun question- if you don’t have money on the line.

[@angelarch5352]

"Safety First" on that ship should be painted over with "If You Can Read This, RUN!"

[@firerose7936]

I love it when you go "all Juan Browne" 😆

[@FirstDagger]

blancolirio truly is an institution with his style.

[@jawadad73]

even if the lng tank was empty, it probably wouldnt be gasfree. my guess is the bow cut just a few inches short of the actual tankmembrane, would be soft steel if pierced there would have been a fire with all that bent scraping steel.

[@thatsbollox]

Great video thnx. Obviously a tough watch when those LNG tanks were impacted. It is however too easy to miss something important....this is actually a fantastic result for the engineering behind LNG tanks. We drive past fuel trucks/tankers and have fuel tanks literally underneath our children in the back seat of the car. We live above and feed gas pipes into our homes...where naked flames and/or electricity exists alongside....a home where accidents happen. We have massive gas storage tanks within our cities, and all manner of other "dangers" right next to us daily...but we dont often stop to think of the potential for major accidents. We TRUST nobody (including a drunk) will light a smoke whilst we're at the gas station. etc etc etc. If you work on a drilling rig you are effectively sitting on a bomb with no escape. Same as a refinery, or any actual port with unloading/loading. Our children are right next to lethal AC outlets all day every day. Dont underestimate how dangerous your daily life can be...then reserve the freak out for a 1 in a million accident happening offshore. We learn from every real life stress test of equipment carrying any ignition source. Average Joe wants to imagine an A Bomb going off...i prefer to acknowledge good engineering.

[@americanrambler4972]

It would be interesting to have an episode on just what all was going on with the crew and ship function activity on board over the YM Serenity. That must have been pretty intense for a while! I bet there must have been quite a jerk as the anchor chain was grabbed by the Echo and suddenly she goes from zero to almost 2.4 knots! What kind of scramble was it for the crew of the Serenity to power up its engines and associated systems in order to get the ship under way and back under control! That must have been one very busy crew for a while there! Must have been pretty intense!

[@NortyNige]

One thing to remember depending on tide which can run at up to six knots was it ebbing or flooding? as that can make quite diference to a ship running at 3 knots trying to maintain minimal steerage. I would suggest it was flooding or heading north, so now imagine that hull getting dragged sideways at six knots. Hope you find that information useful Sal.

[@lyleparadise2764]

Just a layman's question, but could a " main engine propulsion issue " also mean that the engine was stuck in a power up position ( like a stuck throttle/accelerator in a car ) and the ship was unable to slow and stop. It almost sounds to me that she wasn't adrift without power, but rather the opposite.........she couldn't reduce power when approaching the anchorage. If the ship indeed kept increasing speed it would have been harder to make tighter turns and avoid collision.

[@fire304]

I sure hope the designer of those tanks considered the possibility of RPG strikes by pirates. They would be terribly tempting targets.

[@ccrider5398]

Nice shout out to Blancolirio!

[@madmeh2929]

Always start videos muted to avoid annoying political ads, and replay if needed so not to miss anything Sal says! Incredible collision and footage (or “Allision”: from Perplexity: a maritime term referring to the collision of a moving vessel with a stationary object, such as a dock or an anchored ship. This differs from a collision, where both vessels are in motion. Allisions can lead to significant damages and liability issues, as the moving vessel is typically presumed at fault unless proven otherwise”)

[@grondhero]

I use a free ad-blocker. Works wonders.

[@cube252002]

“No other industry charges individuals and treats them like criminals for accidents” Yeah no, truckers catch criminal charges for accidents all the time,

[@johnmay2786]

Every day is a school day. The word 'allision' is a new one for me in my 80 years of life.