Almost a Plural Wife...Why She Disavowed FLDS Polygamy

[@susanyork9396]

Thanks for sharing this story! So glad she got out. I was a member of the mainstream church for 27 years when my husband told me god wanted him to have more wives.....fought about that for months and months. He said was going to do it with or without me so....being sealed in the temple and feeling like I should never be divorced....I went along with it and stuck it out for 2.5 years. UGH! When I finally was able to leave I left with a suitcase of clothes. Had to start over at 48 years old.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Wow! That must’ve been sooo hard! Congrats for being brave enough to get out of there!

[@susanyork9396]

Yes it was!

[@Catglittercrafts]

What woman joined that mess??? I’m so sorry

[@laneneal3510]

Wow! Brave

[@Marlodrama]

So brave of you to start over, congratulations on taking your life and independence back!

[@kerirek]

I'm just starting this video and I was pretty taken aback by Angela's description of her family's racism, but I'm actually glad that she's talking about it so openly. Racism seems to be a crucial part of Mormon fundamentalism that I feel like some white people don't highlight as much as the polygamy/misogyny, which are obviously also terrible! But there are a lot of white people living in America who have extreme racist views and we need to be talking about how those people are alive NOW impacting our society.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Yeesssss

[@laneneal3510]

My daughter in law as a child, her mother ((Hispanic) needed help in the States . From Catholic background, Mormons helped her so she joined. This was in Michigan. I was shocked bc I’ve heard from other Mormons that most ethnic groups are not that welcome.

[@Kalleron]

​@laneneal3510 I think that's because a lot of Mormons lump Hispanic people with Native American people, and Native Americans are supposedly who the Book of Mormon is about. At least, that's my experience when I was growing up in Mormonism in nothern Utah.

[@Abigail-li3mk]

The FLDS are super racist. And super homophobic. Good times 😢

[@SealoftheonetrueGod]

​@@Kalleron New story hmm

[@journeyspencer7308]

As an ex jw, I love to hear the experiences of survivors of other cults. The similarities are eerie. As a jw, I was sexually assaulted by my biological father and an elder. I was horrifically abused. My therapist says my abuse is the worst she's ever heard of. My father was a monster and my sister and I think he may've been a serial killer. My mother made excuses for him and eventually took his side. She never protected us sms now she shuns us because we're no longer JWs. My dad admitted to the elders that he sexually assaulted me but they did nothing. They told me not to inform anyone outside the witnesses and I wasn't allowed to get any therapy or live in a safe home with other family. I was forced to continue to live with my abuser. The abuse escalated exponentially. Police were not informed. No one rescued me. The witnesses hide child sex abuse. It's prolific. Women are forced to remain in abusive marriages. The witnesses kicked me out for smoking, but did not kick my father out for the abuse.

[@XSlimSxadyX]

My god. I am so so sorry.

[@creationsfldotcom]

I am sorry for your abuse. I was abuse to the extreme, and I put my dad in prison, because he was doing it to others. It made me feel really bad, but I was not going to let that continue, if I could stop it. I am looking for a friend to study with. It is easy to fool a person, but it is hard to convince a person they are fooled. 99.9% of Bible believing people do not know the only Song the Creator Commanded you to teach your children, and that is really SAD. The Song takes me 11 minutes to sing, no repeating sentences, and tells me this beautiful Story. I Love that Song. The Song is in your KJV Bible. Can you find that Song? That Song Makes me Stronger and Closer to the Creator! That Song Gives me Life and Salvation, and without it I will surely die! Lets just say it is more important to me than my life! If the LDS or any group for that matter, would just read the first five Books of the Bible, you would be FREE! YES! FREE! 1. You would know if a man cut his hair he is not from the Creator. (99% of elders cut their hair. Lev. 19:27 “Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.” Prophet Must do this.) 2. If the church is not teaching you to sing That Beautiful Song The Creator Wrote, then you are in the wrong place, and its time to move on! 3. Would I honor your name if I put a J in front of it? That is intentionally dishonoring your name. Same goes with the Creator and Son “YahShua” “Yah is Salvation”, so simple. So why does the world worship one who comes in his own name “Iesus” opps… forgot to put the “J” in front of it, “Jesus” there, “that is better”! Which one do you think will Save you? The Greek god J+ Iesus,("Saving Sky God" or "Saving Zeus") or the True Name of The Messiah Yahshua! (Yah is Salvation)? “My People die from Lack of Knowledge”. This is the Torah/Laws/First 5 Books I can explain in great depth the "P", "D", "E", and "J" sources of the Bible, and the Dead Sea Scrolls. Just like the book of Mormon, the bible has been tampered with. Don't get out of one deception, and into another. This is extremely important to understand the Bible, and what was changed, and who changed it, and for what reason. Jer8:8 and 23:25-27 This knowledge changed my life. I did more research... Unbelievable what I found. Jahovah came from a combination that the jews did, in order to hid the Great Name YHWH. If you look close you can see the “YHWH” but it changed a little. “JHVH” That “J” was a latter invention about 1586. The jews took the vowels out of adonai, and mixed them with the YaHoWaH, and then the “J” was added. Where did the Language of “Hebrew” come from? Jews have killed to keep this a secret. I can explain this in great detail, and something you must understand to understand the "Holy Bible" (The Masoretic Text) I am not talking about what it says, but why it was changed when the jews wrote it. Why were there no Levites in Babylon? All these questions you should know the answer to. The reason you do not know these answers, is because the jews hide these things, their dirty little secrets. Three things you must know to enter Heaven. The Creator's Name YHWH and His Son's Name Yahshua Messiah, the Holy Feasts, and the Creator YHWH Wrote a Song Long Ago, and Commands Everyone to Teach to your Children. I am a Davidic Servant, and urge you to study with me. The deceptions are multilayered, as after you leave the LDS group, because of all the Joseph Smith lies, now you need to learn about what the jews did to you. Yes, the jews are Lairs as well, and hid lots of things from you in the writing of the Bible, just to keep Salvation only for jews. You are doing right now “with the Lord God worship” the exact same thing that got the jews locked up in Babylon for 70 years. The jews are still doing it, and so are you. Real important you understand exactly what they did wrong, so you do not get tricked by the same deception, and another reason they were locked up, so you would know with out a doubt what not to do. Do you want to keep His Feasts, or Sing His Beautiful Song? Then plan to be here at the coming Feast Sukkot begins at sundown on Friday, 29 September 2023 and ends at nightfall on Friday, 6 October 2023 This is something you will do every year with your friends. This is a party in the Keys, and the Creator said, “Deut. 14:26 And you shall bestow that money for whatever your soul lusts after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatever your soul desires: and you shall eat there before YHWH your Father and you shall rejoice, you, and your household, ”. We have lots to do here, we are in a wilderness for miles around, with deer that will lay down beside me, alligators, down the street, not were we swim, and bikes, Kayaks, power, water, and WIFI. This is free for now, but only till it is full, I could have about 60 people, after that we will need to figure it out. There is plenty of camping area for a week that is free, and there is like 10 sq miles of that for a thousand people, but not with water, and power. probably wifi though, as we are right in the middle. Did you know the Creator wants to party with you? Every year, and requires you to save money to spend on yourself. Sukkot (Hebrew: סוכות or סֻכּוֹת, sukkōt, or sukkos, Feast of Booths, Feast of Tabernacles) is a Biblical holiday celebrated on the 15th day of the month of Tishrei (late September to late October). It is one of the three biblically mandated festivals Shalosh regalim on which Brothers and Sisters were Commanded to make a pilgrimage to the place YHWH Name is Celebrated, and have a Party! Study the Words of YHWH and Yahshua by camp fires. Just have some fun. I am looking for people concerned for the LDS People. I want to bring the LDS group back together, but with lots of corrections as I see lots of Masonic rites in this group. I have studied the Mormon Values enough to believe with the Truth behind the People, I see a really good group forming. Do not “Fall-a-way” Go change the whole Church. You have not lost an eternal family, and yes there are levels in Heaven, and guess what, everyone will be there, as the Lake of fire only lasts 1000 years. No more. Then everyone is woke up at one time. Rev 20 Share this Song, and Names. Everyone in your LDS group will listen to you, because you can open their Bible and Show them, and eventually this will get to Russell Nelson, and you then will have helped Saved the LDS people. If you are an LDS fall-a-way, I urge you to go back, and help your Family and Friends. But by Sept 1 2023 you need to be here. Maybe nothing happens this year, and you can go back for a year, but from now on, be here before September 11 as that is the Feast of Trumpets. I expect the 6th Trumpet to sound very soon, and that is Yellowstone eruption, this event will do all the things that are described in the Bible Rev. 9 Fire Brimstone fall, and 1/3 of mankind die. I also know that Yellowstone cannot be a natural disaster, because the Creator said, Revelation 11:18 says that YHWH comes to reward those who have Honored His Name, and to “destroy those who have destroyed the Earth.” Do you Honor His Name by using it? I have room here for a small group. I moved here 15 years ago to get things ready here for my friends. Now I am warning my friends not to be trapped near this thing, seeing how we have a trust able date each year to watch for this. I can tell you lots of details, but this is not the place. This is the kind of thing you are better off watching from a distance. Once it starts the gas and food will run out fast, and travel will be impossible the next day from all the people leaving the north. I am giving you the LDS people a way out. Get a small group together, and come find out what you are missing. Like a vacation every year. I do not want all the work you did in the LDS Church to be wasted. Please join with me, and lets go fix Russell Nelson, we can do this. We know he is just a man, but I think a man who will listen. We are in control, not the LDS people, as they are running and hiding from the truth, and they cannot fight against the Truth, the Davidian Servant brings the New Song! This Song they have been waiting for. This is the way the Creator works. He will send a lowly servant to bring the Truth to the Leaders most the time they do not listen, but this time Russell Nelson will listen. The Prophet is not to be running the church, the Prophet is always hiding in the woods and pictured as a caveman with long uncut hair. Humm... I wonder why? I give you new reasons to go back to convert your LDS friends. This is very powerful information. It Is The Truth! Tithing was for the Levites, and that was their inheritance, so everyone taking tithes, are stealing from the Levites. 2nd Tithes are for the widow and orphans. Third tithes are for you to travel here, and party with. That is Scripture!

[@FigaroHey]

I learned about the mental illness (depression, etc., from being isolated in abusive marriages, and abusive situations) from an ex-JW named Mary Kochan. I listened to a set of taped speeches she gave debunking the cult that her family was in for three generations. Worth finding the recordings if they still exist and you want to find out the truth about JWs and mental health issues. I think she was also in an abusive marriage and had a breakdown, leading to many JW women contacting her to ask her for help in coping with their own nervous breakdowns because the JW cult doesn't have anything for people who are struggling. I think the tape series was 'Inside the Watchtower,' but I could be wrong.

[@nickywal]

JWs are terrifying and somehow its not in the public awareness, a friend's mother was forced to stay married to her abusive, alcoholic ex-husband. He was allowed to continue attending church and could have earned his way back into full membership. She married a non-witness who treats her amazingly, her mother nearly didn't attend the wedding. Until her stepfather stepped in to say her mother would regret it for the rest of her life

[@emilymiguel8198]

🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮 he needs to be introduced to the bottom of a cliff. Glad you made it.

[@1yoginiheart]

I was raised LDS. At fifteen I fell away from the church, due to a traumatizing experience, which I shared with a Priesthood member, who did nothing to help me. I was then, and have PTSD as a result of the experience. At fifty, I moved to southern Utah, and with my LDS sister was given work cleaning, and painting new construction in the Zion area. I worked for a painting contractor. At my request for my paycheck, he met me at Target. We sat for three hours, while he described his living situation on a shared property, with his siblings, and their children. He expressed that his wife was looking for a sister-wife. Coming from Silicon Valley in California, I had no idea what he was talking about. I just wanted my pay. At a point in our conversation, he pointed to some women at the checkout. He then emphasized the women were dressed in culturally appropriate attire, and not in the 'Holley Hoby' attire. Upon being given my pay, he reached out for a hug. I gave him a half hug, the type you would give any friend. At that, he said, "Some people don't know what they are being offered." Later my LDS sister had to explain that he was proposing to me. In my fifty years of walking the planet, I never would have guessed that could happen to me.

[@grammichal6759]

Yike! 😮

[@mdperkins1482]

I am so sorry that u got no support after the traumatizing experience. I don’t get it!!! Human beings r just weird sometimes. I hope u will heal & life will be better for u.❤😔

[@1yoginiheart]

@@mdperkins1482 I am still letting go.of Mormonism. All my family is Mormon. Most don't digest what I experienced. Church is ru by people. That's all. Many men in the church, desire poligamy. Even today. The historical stories stimulate fantasy.

[@tinahenriques1968]

I discovered your podcast and watch it on Utube. The women are so brave and their stories so profound. As a Catholic who left an abusive relationship (much to the disappointment of my mother who believed that you should never leave a marriage, abusive or not), I'm inspired by their experiences and how even though isolation and little guidance they have forged a path of hope and happiness. Ana (from Canada ❤)

[@jennifercornman1291]

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[@alternativelyabled3757]

Thank you! Your channel has helped me process my religious trauma from Catholicism. I was in Catholic elementary school, church choir, and an alter server, and my parents were active church members. The church beliefs/norms conflicted with some of the trauma responsed I had while growing up and my "strong personality". I'm now trying to unlearn being very hard on myself, part of that stemming from the strict religious upbringing.

[@CarrieFullerton]

The AUB is the group the Brown family on TLC Sister Wives were apart of. The lady that was the 3rd wife Christine was the granddaughter of one of the AUB founders.

[@Ms.Stephanie.C]

Angela you’re outstanding! I really enjoyed your interview & your story. I left a 16 yr long abusive temple marriage in 2007. I was very TBM, BIC, 6th gen LDS…. yada yada. I had 4 daughters under the age of 13, my youngest was 1 at the time. (I had 5 daughters but my oldest passed at age 6). I left with only our clothes & $200. He stalked us for 5 years afterwards & even bought me a grave. I was lucky to have my parents help or I wouldn’t have made it. The brainwashing goes very deep, I had such a deep belief that divorce would send me to hell & I literally had to discover the church wasn’t true before I could leave the ex. I’m glad you’re in a better place now & that you are so strong & have made such a huge amount of progress in your life. I really truly think you’re amazing!

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Hi Stephanie! Thanks for sharing your story. It is very inspiring and I’m glad you were able to get out of that situation

[@djdingwall1]

I can’t even tell you how much I enjoy listening to your podcast. The guests that you have brought in to have conversations with have helped me so deeply. I can’t even tell you, there are no words for me to express my gratitude.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

I'm SO happy to hear that you are benefitting from them! More interesting insights and perspectives to come! Thanks for listening.

[@Beginnerreadsthebible]

Her vulnerability is so real. So many times she is on the brink of tears while talking, thank you so much for sharing. I was about to tisk-tisk the reference to drug use, but I see how important and relevant it is in this case.

[@mythril.dreams]

This was powerful. Angela, I just want to say that I am so proud of you and thank you for sharing your journey.

[@sammygphotography]

I love watching your channel. My family decorates graves by that church that got blew up, that she talked about. I didn't realize how many polygamist live up that way. I grew by Ogden, UT and I was really not aware of active polygamy until I watched Sister Wives. It would be awesome if you could interview Christine from Sister Wives who just left.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Hi Samantha! Thanks for watching! Wow that’s wild. I didn’t realize there were a lot of polygamists up there either. I will look into Christine. Thanks for the suggestion!😁

[@hexonyou]

i know for a lot of people it may feel weird to hear about a mushroom trip and that it would bring catharsis or introspection, but honestly... I get where she's coming from. I was many years into pulling apart and introspecting on the parts of myself that I had repressed throuighout my childhood and young adult life before I decided to try something similar. I distinctly remember having this moment of honesty with myself about all of the excuses I made for my parents and just being like "I love my father but he hurt me so much!" and just sobbing, letting out a lot of that pain and frustration and just admitting to myself that I didn't have to protect their image... I had to heal myself. My parents were not terrible people, and we have all grown a lot over the years. But that growth and the healing both between us and within us couldn't really happen without that introspection and without saying openly "I was deeply hurt by you and I need us to both know that". I understand there was nuance to why things happened, but i also just needed some accountability from my parents on the trauma they passed on to me. And sometimes being so used to controlling everything about your mask and persona that keeps the pieces held in place, the only real way to have that cathartic realization is to let go a little bit of that control- sometimes literally through a trip.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Thank you for sharing. I feel the same way ❤️

[@susanyork9396]

Sometimes it can only be one sided. Both sides don't have to recognize the pain caused. Doesn't really matter.

[@barbh1]

What a lovely woman. I loved how her face lit up when she talked about her present husband.

[@thisbeem2714]

Being brainwashed by family that my worth was conditional on doing what they wanted me to do and acting how they wanted me to act..... I wasn't in a cult, but it sounds a lot like what cults do to folks was done to me. Listening to you talk about how your husband made you feel... I have my own experiences with that. Good for you for getting out and taking back your story. I am still working on that.

[@hejnye]

We all have our own path in life to find. I am so glad you made it out safe and sound. This nurse understands the struggle. Good luck in our endeavours, you are a most precious human being.

[@SpecialSP]

Hey Shelise. I LOVE your videos. You are such a calm spirit that radiates towards everyone, whether they are a guest or ME, the audience. Thank you.

[@josephlummus1310]

Hey! Angela didn’t tell me she did this podcast, or I may have forgot about it. Either way, ain’t my sister great?❤️🍄🤙☮️😊

[@jennifercornman1291]

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[@jenniferviolette317]

What an amazing story! Thank you for sharing! I want to add that if homeschool is done right kids are very socially adjusted. My son can talk and socialize with everyone of every age. From 2 to 92.

[@karenkennedy6331]

I am a former hippie, in the 1960, 1970’s, most young people explored spirituality, explored drugs,LSD, and most left the Christian church, not finding their needs met. I got into meditation at 21 , and spirituality and it has changed my life.

[@sidstovell2177]

I got off a bar stool and onto a zafu - same period. Those were great, world-changing times.

[@jen_the_RN]

It's like I'm hearing my story! Left mormonism, was in an abusive marriage for ten years and am on my way to losing 100 pounds. The only thing I'm missing is mushrooms but still considering..... Thank you for sharing your story!

[@jennifercornman1291]

Congratulations

[@Dudebrointhesky]

Wow, thank you for sharing this intriguing conversation. I was never Mormon but Psilocybin Mushrooms had a great affect on me as well. I loved hearing her story.

[@lluvaldez]

Hi there! Linda here. I am so glad I stumbled upon this podcast. You are doing great things for people who need an understanding of how religions can truly be cults. As a recovering Catholic I am learning so much. I want you to know that Linda is listening and you get no cupcakes for asking your guests to speak my name when addressing their concerns or people who have victimized them. I believe this wonderful, brave woman who is your guest on this episode was on the right track when she said it would be to her dad. So, shouldn't the Linda listen moment be to whomever, not specifically Linda? BTW, Linda was listening, it was her son who wasn't listening to her. Thanks for listening. - Leeenda

[@DannyAnn101]

It's actually crazy how cult like rules & ideology was pushed on me being raised as an atheist. Never thought I would relate to so many people who escaped cults. Thank you for giving me so much perspective through your podcasts.

[@themenna007]

Thanks to all of you sharing such painful stories . More power to you ❤

[@emk7132]

Such wisdom for all, including those of us who have not had cults in our personal history!

[@kadiatoubaby]

the part where she said "it's like they want you to sacrifice this life in order to be heaven in the afterlife" is a common thing in my islamic upbringing. My mom's best super religious best friend, who teaches children in our community(west African muslim) how to read the quran, says this ALLLLL the time. Please interview an ex muslim like friendly ex muslim to spread awareness of the growing ex muslim community as well.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Hi Kadie! We are considering it 😊

[@fritula6200]

Why don't they sacrifice their life, instead of asking others: this is mind manipulation: ●● KADIA don't allow anybody to do this to you again: NOW YOU KNOW THE TRICKS THEY USE: BE SMART AND INTELLIGENT ABOUT YR FUTURE ENCOUNTERS WITH PEOPLE... THAT MEANS ANYBODY: DECLINE POLITELY BUT INTELLIGENTLY.... this means be smart, you now know somebody wants to use yr goodness for a bad thing where you will suffer that person's ideas if you follow them: FOLLOW YR OWN IDEAS: FOLLOW YR OWN HEART:: Blessings..

[@campoida]

It's actually sad. From one bad situation to another.

[@GoldenMom815]

Late to the party on this one: it would be cool if you interviewed Amanda Rae and Eskel Grant from the Kingston group/The Order.😊

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Hi Valerie! I’ve been trying to get Amanda for a while. She said yes but hasn’t responded to our scheduling emails. Would love if if you would drop a comment on her page about wanting a collab! ❤️❤️❤️

[@DalTron001]

Very interesting to hear about other people who left the multiple different polygamist sects within Utah! I wasn't apart of any "group", so no church or anything, but a lot of my upbringing was simular to this! My dad was a polygamist at some point and most my neighbors are still polygamist. Though they are still more open minded then some of the people in the church groups

[@susansmolen9741]

I have so much empathy for this woman and others that have experienced this restricting and binding upbringing. I feel that these cult like religions are manufactured out of selfishness, narcissism and greed! I was not appreciative about the “mushroom” “cure.” They can cause serious damage. She was very lucky with her outcome!

[@torglesnarfprime]

Do some research on mushrooms, as a controlled experience has been all but clinically proven to help people. Some people will have bad experiences, but that's also true of peanut butter.

[@RJeremyHoward]

I never felt comfortable with telling my priesthood leaders about anything I had going on... not that I had much going on... But I never trusted them with that.

[@lisatraav]

Such a good episode. Love listening to your podcast. It has become a regular thing to listen to you whilst cooking. Keep it up, love from Sweden❤️

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Oh wow! I love that I’m reaching all the way to Sweden! I’ve got a bit of ancestry from there 😁 thanks for your support!

[@lisatraav]

@@CultstoConsciousness Oh interesting! I have a bit of background in the swedish church. Sweden is a bit different when it comes to religion but it is not easy if you leave either. My parents are not religious so when I left I still had them. But I lost almost al of my friends…Had to start over! Thank you for responding. ☺️

[@FigaroHey]

Homeschooling does not keep children from interacting with others - IF your parents are not in a cult! You have so much free time when you homeschool, because the lessons only take about half hour to a couple of hours per day, that you have HUGE amounts of time to go places and do things, join groups, have private lessons or apprenticeships in the community with a variety of people following your personal interests. I know plenty of homeschooled children, and they ALL have great manners and the ability to converse with adults and people from all kinds of backgrounds because they spend so much time interacting with adults in the community and people from sports groups, scout groups, dance groups, music lessons, sailing qualification courses, horse-riding lessons, ham radio groups, and other crafts and skill-based activities with other children or with adults. They are so well-socialized that they aren't just locked into the herd mentality of trying to be like, talk like, dress like and behave like other kids who are exactly your age (how is SCHOOL - where you are forced to conform to people your age - any preparation for real life, where you have to interact with people of ALL ages? How is SCHOOL - which trains you to conform to your peers and rigid school rules, preparation for adult life when you need the flexibility to cope with life at work, at school, in the community, in church groups, in social groups, in hobby or sports groups, on committees in clubs and at work and in the neighborhood, etc.? People who are stuck in a cult in extreme poverty (no water?) and ruled by extremely restrictive ideology - who can't even invite other kids to their house because their life is so weird - should not assume that it's a lack of going to SCHOOL that is the cause of not being socialized normally.

[@meowzerzzz]

So you can leave the church but it takes even more work for the church to leave you.

[@103years]

Angela, I enjoyed listening to your story and am inspired by your strength to over come! So glad you had that experience on mushrooms about your mother. What a gift.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

I second that. Such a wonderful gift!

[@derekbeauchamp2409]

This is very interesting, I was in the church in 1979 , I remember about the black people, joining the church. And I didn’t know about Youngs thing about the blacks, not knowing about, not able to join the church. I went on a mission, and this member told us about the Adam god Doctrine, and other thing that he taught. I left about 2 years after my mission. That was about in 1986.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

the adam-God doctrine is wild. Not as wild as blood atonement though. I'm so glad you were able to see the truth and leave.

[@derekbeauchamp2409]

I helped to get my wife out off the church, it was hard work, they told her to leave me, I was angry, but lucky she said she loved me and don’t see why, she should do that. Funny thing, we left the church in 1986 , and the missionaries came to our door the other day, and they asked for my wife and not me. I wanted to know why they were at my door. We had moved a few times since then . I spoke to them for a long time. Oh my god, they have been brainwashed even more, on the subjects off the old doctrine’s by Young , they have been told how to answer them. And they have been told that it’s all lie’s. I told them, we did the old temple ways, by going with the thumb across from one ear to the other. They didn’t believe me. How can the president ie. So called Prophet , off the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Claim to be a Prophet , when he murdered so many members, and told lies, and teach another doctrine to the one off today. So changing the temple ways, is hiding the past and truth’s off their lies. It all makes me sick, my wife’s family are all members. My wife don’t even like me talking about it. So I have to very careful to keep my shut, when they come round. Thanks for sharing your work on helping those poor members and those who are thinking about joining the Mormon church. Bless you !

[@wkhgasmr]

wise beyond her years. i learned a lot, thank you ❤

[@KettleBlacktheBat]

That racism aspect though. Like...wow. Speechless, but unsurprised. Heavily unsurprised.

[@Oleanderlullaby]

15:34 former JW here and the whole “sacrifice in this life to get to heaven(paradise for us we were told very young heaven was unattainable we would never be one of the 144,000)” thing was huge for us to.. interesting to see that overlap

[@Oleanderlullaby]

Honestly for the most part we were taught that the 144,000 have been chosen for a long time and are “awaiting” Armageddon and resurrection in death they don’t believe you come back until after Armageddon and by then it’s decided whether you made the paradise on earth cut

[@laneneal3510]

I can only imagine what a cult would be like. The church I was introduced to ( my family wasn’t religious. My GGran was made to become Roman Catholic in Hungary. She told my gran and mom not to let anyone tell you what to believe) so by 12 I couldn’t intellectualize a religion telling you how to live and think. Too many rules beyond your average morals and values. I quit.

[@michelep.7249]

If I am not mistaken Ram Dass teaches people to meditate. I really like mantra meditation as taught in book Meditation for Dummies. I would recommend mantra meditation using positive affirmations to change one's mental outlook and not use psychedelics to change one's mental outlook as I have heard of people dying or causing others harm when using psychedelics.

[@lizzypop2628]

are those all real plants behind you??!! what a healthy monstera!!!

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Haha they are!! Thanks for noticing 😉 the monstera is named Havana 😁

[@katie2412]

another amazing show thank you ✨💫✨

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Aww thank you so much! I appreciate it!

[@marquitaarmstrong399]

Blind obedience. Hmm that's Mormonism in nutshell...

[@TobeornottooB]

I bet you obey blindly.

[@cherrybakewell1338]

Wow, powerful stuff. Thank you 🕊💌

[@laurenoliver4359]

I’m glad she is talking about the racism however I really wish she would use the terminology “the blacks” we are not “the” blacks we are just black or African American people. Saying “the blacks” is typically how slave owners would would talk about slaves (kind of like how you would say the cows…) I know she’s probably using language the way she’s heard it and doesn’t even realize so I hope this gets to her so she can be a bit more conscious in the future.

[@jessigirlrae1688]

You never know how much culture creates unintentional racism. My husband is Japanese and my grandfather would call them orientals and had no idea it was wrong. My mother in law had to explain how rude and dehumanizing that was because oriental is a description of goods as "pretty" or ornamented in some way. It's not a people. I never said it myself, but I felt so much shame having no idea it was wrong.

[@ashestoashesc6571]

This was a very interesting interview. I can relate. I’ve not been in cult but I’ve been in an abusive relationship where I gained over 100 pounds getting out of it. And it’s difficult to find your voice when it’s been muffled for many years. Perhaps psychedelic or ketamine therapy is something I need to look into.

[@Vie_Elle]

I am so grateful to you for all the work you're doing in facilitating these deprogramming journeys ❤ shrooms are amazing and the plant medicine trip you and your Mum experienced is inspiring me to save for my own opportunity 💜🙏🏻

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Thank you so much! I appreciate the support.

[@aceshigh5157]

it's so interesting that angela's father's personality kept him from getting more wives. i wonder if this was a way for her mom to protect herself from having to share her husband. i'm a never mormon, and my father also has a difficult personality that's what i suspect about my mother. my dad can't take care of himself, let alone cheat on her.

[@erinlee8169]

love it.i love a happy ending

[@cattails1166]

The "I AM" Activity a.k.a. St. Germain Foundation, also thought that black people were not as spiritually developed and so did not allow them into membership until rather recently, probably because they did not want another major lawsuit. They also teach that sexual intimacy binds the people together energetically and karmicly. I know of someone who married their rapist because they believed this.

[@GrumpyVickyH]

Wow. Brave women are so amazing

[@helenr4300]

The idea of suffer now for eternity of joy could seem a reasonable trade off, but isn't the Mormon heaven one where the women stay with the men and expected to make spirit babies together? And still polygamous, even if on earth not with 2 wives at same time but if man remarried after widowed etc. And single sisters get to be servants? Doesn't sound like a blissful eternity. Or do I have the info wrong?

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Nope! You are 100 percent right!! Doesn’t sound like a heaven I want to go to! We were told “don’t worry, it will all be made right and make sense in heaven. Your heart will be softened and you’ll gladly accept polygamy” 🤢

[@lauramoss30]

Enjoying your content so much. I look forward to seeing your smiling face every week! How can I help support you financially?

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Oh my gosh that is so sweet of you! I'm working on creating a Patreon for those who would like to support. It's been so much work just doing the regular episodes so I'm wondering what "added value" I could bring to a patreon. Any ideas? If you'd like to contribute sooner, you could send a venmo to @sheliseann. Thank you so so much for your support! Even just having you as a listener is more than enough.

[@lauramoss30]

@@CultstoConsciousness Do you absolutely need "added value" to do a Patreon? I legitimately don't know. Haha. I think the content you are putting out here on your channel is fantastic! Just sent you a Venmo. Keep up the great work! 💕

[@CultstoConsciousness]

@@lauramoss30 oh my gosh thank you SO much! I really appreciate that. I’ll look into patreon 😁🙏

[@meganc7208]

This comment probably won’t be seen as I am commenting so much later, and I do want to say I’m not attacking in anyway as I totally understand those who are homeschooled in a cult situation are usually very isolated! I do want to say though as a homeschooler who’s homeschooling my kids who have adhd as traditional school does not work for them you can most definitely make sure your kids have socialization! They are able to be out in the world, but you have to work for it and get your kids out there and not just keep them home. My kids have co ops, neighbor friends, field trips and so much more where they interact and make friends their age or of all ages really! So please know if people are homeschooling right they will make sure their children learn all they need to!

[@maddiesweeney9444]

Powerful! Also why is nobody talking about the dog in the background

[@maryhart637]

Angela is so beautiful. What a story her life is!💜💜💜

[@danrossell6375]

As you say "Just leave" doesn't work. Because of the insular nature of many of these groups the life you're living is the only one you know. You have no idea that there is any other way to live your life outside of these communities.

[@brookedee3902]

How you claim to be "God's people" yet you hate someone of a different race, that GOD MADE, truly baffles me. So grateful to have walked away from religion years ago. One of the best things I have ever done.....

[@sedonarose7563]

I always wondered what happens to all of the excess males.

[@barbh1]

The young males get booted off the property so the old alpha polygamist can have more women. There was a TV program that followed members of a polygamous group as they escaped, (the women) or got booted off, (the boys).

[@cl5470]

Google "the lost boys mormon polygamy". They are usually kicked out for minor infractions and often end up drug addicted or dead within a few years. It's very sad.

[@patricegronwick6692]

I love the little doggie in the back!❤

[@CultstoConsciousness]

That’s Oscar Meyer! 🥰 little rascal sometimes haha

[@hellomarisolmo]

I love this one because i struggle with a high power. Maybe ill dig deeper one day.

[@Beginnerreadsthebible]

Doggo in the back!!

[@bethbrown9394]

I have family that are still members of the UAB…

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Oh really? wow. What is that like?

[@bethbrown9394]

@@CultstoConsciousness interesting- I was raised main stream LDS- then married into a family who was UAB- my husband and I didn’t join. A lot of what I see is just odd but there is for sure a dark undertone. Hard to talk about the things I really dislike as a disembodied internet comment though… I wasn’t raised in it or live it so if you want a better idea of what it’s liked for people who are, interview The Fresh King Benjamin (my nephew).

[@skeeterbug589]

There is no victim mentality. People are victimized and they are in various stages of healing. We have to honor that our culture allows abusers to victimize on so many levels. We then honor the healing.

[@Dani-tp4wn]

So fascinating as a polyamorous person to learn about polyamory in terms of like... doctrine. Really weird. I get to choose who i date, it's more of a belief in freedom that your partners get to live their lives. And i mean it's as tough as trying to find any 1 relationship to begin with. I have a partner, they wanted to be poly, we became poly bc i accepted that i have the capacity to do that (i still don't know how that'd translate to living with multiple people. i might get very jealous depending on if i also have other people to give me attention) but ya it's still compromises. you can't just date my sibling, that'd be INSANE. You can't just be the only one to be poly, that's insane. We can agree to live apart if we know it wont' work out or have different goals; we have the full right to walk out of the relationship (s). The term nowadays just asks for freedom for your partner, that you don't own them and they don't own you.

[@helenr4300]

Poly by choice is very different. These are rules that force people into a lifestyle and is more about obedience and patriarchal control. Your situation sounds tough, as by loving your partner and accepting their poly identity it sounds as if you are being asked to embrace something that doesn't come naturally to you.

[@cl5470]

Even "ethical" polygamy harms children who don't get a say.

[@luciamonicazaragozaanon8502]

one thing is poliamory another thing is poligamy! where women don t have the same free choice

[@toni5543]

Mushrooms changed my life too for the better

[@UknomeRhee]

Hearing the guest say "the blacks" is very off-putting. However, I'm glad to hear her speak freely. Censoring her speech is not going to change her upbringing, programming, and thoughts regarding "the blacks." I think it's important to let people speak freely so you know who and what exactly your dealing with. 😒🤡 Just my 2 cents as one of "the blacks."

[@maddisongoldman2446]

Where did you get that floral dress? So cute.

[@konniezissi9846]

Shrooms are awesome to heal the brain from past experiences, and the church needs to get over the stigma.

[@sidstovell2177]

I live where tourists come to go into the mountains to have psychedelic mushrooms. I understand mainstream psychiatry is using it for depression for which no treatment has worked.

[@danieljacobson74]

I don't get it. What is the deal with mushrooms?

[@figmentoffairies]

Some mushrooms have hallucinogenic properties that have an overwhelmingly positive impact on people if taken in the right dosage and in the right environment

[@comradescar6547]

Love the cat in the background

[@erinclarke2715]

Hey could you explain a bit more what “testimony” means? From context including other christian faiths, i gather its just like your story and experience of the holy spirit. But it sounds like theres a whole part of mormon church service that is dedicated to sharing testimony. So does everyone has like one testimony or can the same person share multiple times?? And what are the criteria for your story to be considered testimony? Does it have to be specifically about joseph smith? Or can it be pretty general like about feeling God or the Holy Spirit in your life?

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Hi Erin! Great question! A testimony is an unquestioning faith in the church and God. It's basically a way of saying you have complete certainty that (insert church related thing here) is true. It usually goes something like this, "Hi everyone, I'm Shelise, and I have a testimony that this church is true. That Joseph smith was a true prophet of God who was sent here to restore God's one true church onto the Earth. I have received his blessings after being a faithful servant to him and know that by keeping his covenants, I will live with him and my family for time and all eternity. I say these things in the name of Jesus Christ, amen." So once a month, in place of regular sacrament meeting (with talks given by the congregation), people instead get up at random, go to the mic and say something like this in front of everyone. I call them "indoctrination meetings" because they teach you even if you don't have a testimony, bear it until it becomes true. So when smart people like lawyers and doctors get up and bear their testimony, it makes you think "well if THEY know it's true, then maybe it is!"

[@kckush5046]

As a kid I was often offered $1 to get up and bear my testimony. It was ice cream man $. My family wasn't well off, so this opportunity got my shy self up in front of a room saying.. I'd like to bear my testimony, I know the church is true. I love my mom and dad and brothers and sisters. In the name of Jesus Christ amen. I've heard many, many kids bear the exact same testimony over the years.

[@amygreen758]

It's nice to see questions coming from the outside. The Mormon church teaches that the more you bear (speak and share) your testimony publicly, the more blessings, guidance, peace and prosperity you will receive. Almost every aspect of Mormonism is prosperity gospel based. Some people give their travel logs as a testimony. But as long as you don't say anything that challenges Mormonism, and as long as you don't bring up their troubled history or say anything critical about the leaders, a member can talk about anything that supports their ego and assurances within Mormonism.

[@helenr4300]

In wider Christianity 'testimony' is generally used to refer to someone's conversion story, or a story of a particular miraculous encounter of how God has helped you..

[@HosCreates]

​@@helenr4300 I've seen this too. I find testimony meeting in the mainstream generally very indoctrinating . My Episcopalian Aunt shares her real Christian testimony of God with me.

[@PrincessBella22]

How or where can I do the mushrooms??

[@therealsbh]

Also please say Black ppl. THE BLACKS...😮

[@ane-louisestampe7939]

By Jesus, Mo, and Bud! This is crazy! For decades I've read and watched anything avialable in an attempt to understand people in cults and sects. Not for the sake of reaching accept, but from the philosofi that, in order to change things, you have to understand how they work. For the first time I see some light! I was close to giving up, but you've given me new hope. My thoughts on that? You use a different vocab. Neutral words? Non-religious words? I don't know, but somehow "high maintenance religion" tricked something in my brain, tore down a barrier, perhaps? New words, new angle? Then this mushroom thing! I suffered for a post natal depression. One evening I smoked a joint (for the first time for decades). I didn't "leave my body", but somehow I manged to stop the myriads of bad thoughts I struggled with, for an hour or so, and "look" at my self and my life situation from outside. Two days later I asked for help! I thought "thought-control"??? Wait a minute!I know what it's like NOT being in control of what's going on in your own head! I know what it's like hammering your self with blame and guilt and shite. I've been there! It was just called a depression in my case, and it went away. It wasn't a fåking lifestyle (pardon my French) Suddenly I can relate! I'm no longer just "running" on my mother's opbringing, my intellect and gathered knowledge. So thanks a million times to you both. I love it when my brain gets rattled! Still there? I come from a background that is probably is as opposite to yours, as it can get. Agnostic, but Christened, confirmed and married in my Christian State Church. My sons are Christened, purely for cultural reasons (and an excuse for a party), but not confirmed. A school system that insists on you turning everything upside down, inside out and encourages you to look at things from different angles. Critical thinking and a team project to prove you've got it. Not learning by heart and then multiple choise tests. The law states that the school shall bring up "active participants in a democracy" - and worse things that could kill some Ameristanies, if they could read it! A family that has divorced for generations, and I don't share my father with my siblings. Where you've got sister wives and mothers, I have hordes of ex-brothers in law, all my sisters has stepchildren. I've had some, but "lost" them in a divorce. My sons have a stepsister and a half sister. My grandchild has got 5 (five!) grandmother's. You wouldn't believe the family constallations I've celebrated X-mas with. I certainly know about making "extended" families with potential for jealousy work! Sorry if I've bored you - peace and love and thanks again.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Hi Ane Louise! Thanks for sharing your perspective! I'm so happy to hear that I have "rattled your brain" to the point of taking in new information under a differently labeled umbrella. I love when things click like that in my brain. I also love that you had a wonderful experience with plant medicine that was able to help you gather your thoughts and find the right help that you needed to get through it. Best of luck on your journey!

[@ane-louisestampe7939]

@@CultstoConsciousness 🥰

[@pillylamb]

I have never understood why a religion needs a prophet. I come from a mainstream Christian background and always believed that the bible had all that was required to understand the whole will of God. It all goes to the belief of a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and my individual responsibility to my Heavenly Father. The ONLY mediator between God and I was Jesus Christ - not some capricious prophet. I had no problem that our understanding and acceptance of updated societal norms changed how we looked at the bible, not that the book had changed. I guess Mormonism completely collapses without Smith and his grifty grift.

[@denize7139]

The one thing I crave, as an atheist, is certainty. Being so sure that what I think is true. I’m jealous that the faithful get to have this certainty.

[@hunnypie1873]

I feel you on that! I’m a little relieved to know that I’m not alone in feeling that way.

[@brianwaller7383]

I can’t even get a girlfriend let alone a wife so having multiple wives are so out of this galaxy

[@powderandpaint14]

In these groups marriages are often arranged and men are assigned women to marry.

[@59Schnauzermom]

Thank you for this interesting I loved listening to Keylee and everything that happened to her. Collett was really interesting to listen to. I am so glad you both left the church I do hope you found a Christian Church that actually believes that God

[@littlewingmyoho]

Originally it wasn't in doctrine but brought in by Joseph Smith then propagated by Brigham

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Right! By original doctrine, I mean brought in by the founding prophet. More Angel with a flaming sword nonsense lol

[@littlewingmyoho]

@@CultstoConsciousness it was a tough sell in the beginning lol crazy how far they went as its reported they were both womanizers .Thank you for covering the mushrooms 🍄 and the up side of their possible help psychologically ❤

[@swampophelia2098]

I love your name it makes me think of hans solo

[@wlgeiger]

Dam that's one hell of a crystal. Ok... I'm paying attention now.

[@lucafran3055]

Her saying "The BLACKS" yikes Still has to work on that racism

[@indiaadams3205]

Hehehe weenie in the background 😍

[@CultstoConsciousness]

He's the sweetest weene in the world! Just posted a story of him on IG @cultstoconsciousness :D

[@christopherjones67]

Point I always make. Is there coercive control. Are you allowed to leave without being cut off from friends and family within that group. If you answer yes. Its a cult.

[@GriffinStitches]

Thank you Angela for sharing your story - many parts of where you were in your mid-30s resonates with my personal journey, so it was inspiring to listen to! 🫂

[@myintellect2577]

Unfortunately I can understand a man that no one wants to marry...they are usually awful people...kind of not funny. 😞

[@CultstoConsciousness]

I think the missing context, though, is a man no-one ALSO wants to marry. While it could be true that he wasn't a pleasant person (which I can't speak to), it could also be true that his desire to obtain more than one wife is something that made him less desirable to an additional wife. Just a thought :)

[@amde8554]

He was married

[@Livewellwithtia]

Love your videos, I have a genuine question. Do you ever have anyone who lefts cults but actually remained a relationship with Christ. I’m a Christian, and live by no laws or anything. Just believe in Jesus Christ living my life daily with no oppression and genuine love for others etc. So when I see your videos I’m shockedddd as none of those cults are what the Bible stand for so it shocks me. Do most people just completely turn away from God? xxx

[@CultstoConsciousness]

It depends. Most see a lot of similarities in Christianity to the cult they escaped. A lot of them believe in a God but not the Christian God.

[@Livewellwithtia]

@@CultstoConsciousness ok, I understand that. That’s such a shame with all faiths or believes when things are misinterpreted or taken out of contexts it’s so harmful! Because when something that’s meant to be so loving cause so much harm I don’t blame people for thinking how can God allow that. Problem is it isn’t God it’s people playing God. Thank you for your reply xx

[@amberinthemist7912]

Not being Christian isn't the same as turning away from god.

[@Jmplays911]

Angela here... on my son's account lol. To answer your question. I have a very deep love for Christ. I feel closer to him then ever before. I realize though my goal is to align my heart with christ. It's not about this ego I call Angela. I believe we can become one with christ as we let go of our egos. It's like a Hindu twist on Christianity. Most Christians that I have met are very focused on their own self full of judgements which is opposite of the loving teachings of christ. ❤

[@Livewellwithtia]

@@Jmplays911 hi Angela, thank you so much for your reply, and what a testimony you have thank you so much for sharing it with us all here. ❤️ and thank you for what you said. That’s encouraged me a lot, as I have no connection to your cults and don’t see and haven’t seen any of that cruelty or twisting of scripture in my life. Well tbh the time of my life that was filled with abuse and destruction was when I didn’t know Christ. So I’m very encouraged by your message. Cause it’s sad to see so many people have a misinterpretation of the true love of Christ. what you endured wasn’t love, wasn’t Christs love. You should never of endured such suffering. Sending love you way and praying for nothing but joy, love and a hope that does not disappoint for your future xxx

[@kevindorland738]

Jo Smith mistaken or correct regarding blacks?

[@Cynnas]

If you want a husband and the father of your children to not spend much time with you and them then I can see the benefits of polygamy. Time and quality time with the ones you love is one of the most important and valuable things we have in life and I want to spend it with my husband and him with his children

[@tananario]

All this and she still can’t stop calling us “The Blacks.” 🤦🏽‍♀️ I never believed y’all suddenly got a revelation and never will. Fortunately, even though we get your “missionaries” (there’s a “temple” here, but it’s a tourist destination town so they come here to have a fun summer vacay), apparently they are finally being taught not to bother us if we look kinda old. ‘Cause we KNOW. 👍🏽

[@kirabouwerviraltyd]

Listening now and that was the first thing I noticed 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@jessigirlrae1688]

Sometimes it takes time to understand what is not appropriate. My husband is Japanese and my grandfather called his people oriental. Same with other ethnicities I've seen. I never realized how dehumanizing that is, but my mother in laws parents were literally in the American concentration camps. This is so recent for them and the rampant racism is still so bad. The moment he knew it was wrong he stopped, maybe she just needs to understand how dehumanizing it is.

[@dsoule4902]

All y'all will do very well with ah gin duh 30. No running water. No electric. You'll know how to make it work.

[@amyk.2500]

Can you guys please stop saying “Blacks.” It’s “Black people.” It’s very cringe

[@altagraciatavarez1747]

I don’t understand how she still believes in Mormonism. I really don’t

[@Jmplays911]

Did you listen to the whole thing? She doesn't. She believes in universal consciousness and the power of love. ❤

[@ARSONXBELLA]

Only one reason for one man to make all the babies. YOUNGER wife every year or so.

[@StephanieMiller-om3dw]

Bummer can't hear a thing

[@tishamonroe7418]

i know someone who ate mushrooms and killed themselves😭😭😭

[@DQ_Mine]

♡

[@CultstoConsciousness]

I'm so sorry to hear that! It's always best to try plant medicine with someone who is experienced & knows how to help people while on the medicine. I have felt similar things during ceremony. A complete dissolution of my ego and fear which had me wondering if I really needed to stick around or not. I can't speak to your friend's experience, I just can understand how people may come to certain conclusions while journeying. It was the last time I did ceremony by myself.

[@suemason4318]

She still has a hard time talking about the religion.