'Mahler: Symphony No. 9 on Period Instruments' by Mahler Academy Orchestra & Philipp von Steinaecker

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@thomasvendetti3742 6 ай бұрын

Listen to the 1938 Bruno Walter / Vienna Phil live recording of the Mahler 9. Listen to the solos of Arnold Rose(Mahler’s brother-in-law). Here you will hear the closest and most reliable Mahler sound. Vibrato was definitely employed. Such experiment though interesting are not definitive.

@bbajdjwkmi 6 ай бұрын

But it is also true that Arnold didn't like vibrato in general, throughout his WP term.

@arthurfunk3104 4 ай бұрын

6:59 Why do the timpani have clear plastic heads?

@porcinet1968 6 ай бұрын

the string playing is really strange but rather interesting - Mahler writes clear requests for portamentos a great deal in this score but these players are applying portamenti almost everywhere, even the opening major 2nd F#-E is a slide!

@remifasolla5324 3 ай бұрын

historical recordings of Mahler, such as Mengelberg's in 1929, uses even more unwritten portamento lol

@porcinet1968 3 ай бұрын

@@remifasolla5324 in my copy of the score I have added portamento lines where I would add them if I was directing the piece and of course there are always places where it is natural because of position shifts and the like (from what I know of string technique)

@porcinet1968 3 ай бұрын

@@remifasolla5324 my problem i guess isn't with the idea itself but with the effectiveness of the result sometimes with these kinds of "experimental" performances - I am a huge HIP fan, love the Gardiner Missa Solemnis to bits, still think it's one of the best records ever made, but his work (LOL at praising Jeggers now he's basically disgraced) always sounded musical rather than the testing out of an idea. The Norrington Mahler 9 just doesn't work on me at any level for instance but that "Les Siecles" Rite of Spring and the Aurora Orchestra's work is extremely involving. This performance to me just sounds surface level, given the gravity of what the music openly puts forward, almost in all caps to my ear and mind.

@HST3B 6 ай бұрын

Great to see Marinus Komst, former Concertgebouw timpanist.

@BetonBrutContemporary 6 ай бұрын

I always wanted this kind of project! Cool and good... kind of reminds me of Norrington

@michaelmorse7627 6 ай бұрын

Except these folks seem to like music..

@porcinet1968 3 ай бұрын

yeah that's probably the first thing that came to my mind as well - i didn't like that one either but interesting to hear, one learns something about a work even in a performance one doesn't like

@alexandresobreiramartins9461 Ай бұрын

This is what is called a cashgrab for suckers.

@bbajdjwkmi 6 ай бұрын

I believe this project is very nice and attracting. Nowdays, finally, many musicians can play period instruments without large mistakes during a live performance (in other words, can give a studio-level performance). The usage of vibrato and other techniques are able to be 'reverted'. There is nothing cooler than listening to perfectly controled string tone in the live performance. And I also believe that it has been presented many times around Europe these days.

@listerofsmeg884 Ай бұрын

What's the point of period instrument performances of a work that was premiered on relatively modern instruments? There hasn't been much evolution in orchestral resources since Mahler's time. At least compared to the changes between his time and say Mozart.

@michaelmorse7627 6 ай бұрын

Why does "period instruments" always have to mean "as denatured as possible"? Our forebears had feelings, you know; some of them even had fun sometimes..

@dfdhgtrss212 6 ай бұрын

sounds great

@MarshallArtz007 6 ай бұрын

🙉

@listerofsmeg884 Ай бұрын

Clearly never heard an actual performance or recording in your life

@alexandresobreiramartins9461 Ай бұрын

No it doesn't.

@MarshallArtz007 6 ай бұрын

The Mahler 9th recording no one asked for. 😎🎹

@dfdhgtrss212 6 ай бұрын

speak for yourself bro

@davidalderson4980 6 ай бұрын

Yup

@vittoriostoraro 5 ай бұрын

@@dfdhgtrss212 No he's speaking as someone who loves Mahler and knows his intentions. This is garbage, unbearable, a travesty, an insult to Mahler and his music. A 20th century work on period instruments. Give me a f*cking break. Anyone who praises this does not love or understand Mahler. If only Bruno Walter, who knew Mahler were alive to call this what it is: Excrement.

@listerofsmeg884 Ай бұрын

@@dfdhgtrss212any anyone who is a lover of great romantic music

@perlman7376 16 күн бұрын

I'll listen while you stick your fingers in your ears.

6 ай бұрын

I wonder what it REALLY sounded like back then?? Older acoustics, stylistic differences, playing/performing techniques, etc

@reamartin6458 6 ай бұрын

It’s not a big mystery, it sounded like the turn of the century music that you can find on radio snippets it sounded like Fritz Kreisler and Jascha Heifetz, wildly expressive and with zero concern for period music performance practices.

@reamartin6458 6 ай бұрын

Why?

@tomdownes1g 6 ай бұрын

Mahler is the best

@reamartin6458 6 ай бұрын

Hahah that’s funny. No I’m sorry Mahler is definitely not the best… you know that 😂

@dfdhgtrss212 6 ай бұрын

@@reamartin6458speak for yourself bro.

@Ennah08 6 ай бұрын

Out of interest and curiosity!

@hectorberlioz1449 5 ай бұрын

Terrible sounding recording under a mediocre conductor. Listen to Mengelberg or Bruno Walter. Vibrato is obliged and required. Listen f.i. to Mengelberg's 1928 rec of ein Heldenleben with the NYPO or his 1926 rec of the Adagietto with the Concertgebouw. Lots of vibrato and slights in the strings. I listened to this cd and this has nothing to do with Mahler or whatever. It sounds more like a barock interpretation of something coming near a Mahler performance , with an orchestra with no Mahler performing tradition at all. Sorry for the negativity.

@theophicen7850 6 ай бұрын

Just following the hype of 'authenticity' to sell and make a name. This performance is one big LIE.

@michaelmorse7627 6 ай бұрын

Not *entirely*. They are playing some things GM notated that no one else plays, not even Walter..

@HenrySosenite 6 ай бұрын

Not only is this the best Mahler 9 I've heard, but you ruined Dave Hurwitz's day when he heard it. You're doing God's work

@MaxPower-grrl 6 ай бұрын

Lol! 😘

@savis0 5 ай бұрын

Out of curiosity, what criteria are you using to be able to say this is the best recording you've heard?

@hectorberlioz1449 5 ай бұрын

I do not agree often with Hurwitz , but this time he was completely right !

@MaxPower-grrl 5 ай бұрын

@@hectorberlioz1449 lol

@MaxPower-grrl 5 ай бұрын

@@hectorberlioz1449 mm... huh

@에베베엡베엡베부 6 ай бұрын

wonderful i ve waited for a mahler like this

@johannesortmann2789 6 ай бұрын

Maybe in a few years, after practicing a lot on this very special instruments…

@bbajdjwkmi 6 ай бұрын

already there are a few.

@DanielKRui 6 ай бұрын

Quite cool. I wonder what say Rachmaninoff's 2nd symphony would sound like on these instruments. Maybe a little more transparent, compared to the thicker sounds of today.

@hectorberlioz1449 5 ай бұрын

Go back to the Philadelphia Orchestra recordings under Rachmaninoff himself!

@DanielKRui 5 ай бұрын

@@hectorberlioz1449 sadly he only recorded his 3rd symphony. I wish I could hear him conduct his others!

@corgansow6173 6 ай бұрын

Some people really thinks they interpret the composer better than other musicians

@tomdownes1g 6 ай бұрын

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@themajor2072 6 ай бұрын

Ludicrous. Instruments are far less important than the people that play them. This project is so small-minded in it’s mission; it’s prioritizing a gimmick over the music and the creative interpretation. Mahler said it himself: Tradition is not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire. Edit: As a side note, everything Clive Brown says from 4:48 to 5:10 is complete nonsense. We know how this work was interpreted at its premiere; we have multiple recordings made by Bruno Walter, the man who premiered the 9th. You can’t argue that modern orchestras don’t understand how it was done at the premiere when we have recordings straight from the horse’s mouth. Also, the idea of every single player in an orchestra interpreting their sound differently being presented as a positive really speaks to how ignorant Clive Brown is about how an orchestra actually works. There’s a reason why string players carefully coordinate how they move their bows as a section, or why brass players are taught to listen and blend their tone. Finally, the notion that a pickup orchestra, comprising as many students as professionals, would at all be an authentic representation of how an orchestra like the Vienna State Opera or the Vienna Philharmonic really sounded is patently absurd.

@listerofsmeg884 Ай бұрын

Stick a bowtie on and call yourself an expert 🤷