The “SpongeVerse” Is A JOKE

[@TheAlphaJayShow]

One last video for the year. How Did We Get Here? - 0:00 Broken Canon: Sandy's "Time Travel" - 2:22 Broken Canon: The Secret Formula - 4:18 Broken Canon: Patrick's "Parents" - 6:05 The Staff's Intent - 7:06 Debunking The "Vacuum" - 8:48 Why It Matters - 10:27 Debunking The 'Dimensions' - 11:13 Too Safe - 13:04 What Kamp Koral Offers - 13:43 What The Patrick Star Show Offers - 14:55 How It's Too Safe - 16:26 Debunking the "Episodic" Argument - 17:46 The Actual Excuse - 19:20 It's ALL The Same - 23:38 The 'Planet Sheen' Example - 26:04 The 'Casagrandes' Example - 27:10 Addressing "Bubble Bass Reviews" - 27:51 The 'American Dad' Example - 28:29 What Happens Now? - 29:42

[@XxProGamerUSAxX]

Ok

[@superkillskulldeath6624]

you could put it this way where spongebob made the stuff then it was burned to ash but then crabs re found out how to make it but even that has holes because crabs said and showed that he made it him self when he was poor with plankton

[@bendu8282]

Uh Jay one problem with your criticism. Sandy’s time travel shenanigans caused a Multiverse event , by sending her past self back in time she created an alternate timeline where her & SpongeBob know each other as kids to be honest this isn’t the first time SpongeBob has time travel shenanigans either. Squidward created a time loop when time traveling early on in the show since he introduced jelly fishing to cave man SpongeBob & Patrick in prehistoric times only to go back to the present and find out by SpongeBob & Patrick that he invented Jellyfishing which originally would make no sense since this is a sport he personally hates. There is also all the future time traveling alone SpongeBob & Patrick did in that mermaid man and Barnacle Boy episode where they originally changed the past causing Man Ray to take over the sea only to try to go back in time again and undo this reality so that their old one can come back but they continuously fail to stop Man Ray causing multiple furture versions of them to come back to the past from alternate futures multiple times creating temporal time clone variants from various alternate timelines. There is also SpongeBob & Squidward meeting bubbles that interdimensional space Dolphin who monitors time and space in SpongeBob 2 where they distract him from his job so Jupiter gets destroyed. There is also the joke where Patrick tells Sponegbob he invented a parallel universe when showing him a mirror of himself which SpongeBob ignores but we find out right after that the mirror reflection of SpongeBob is actually a different SpongeBob from another universe. So this just goes to show that SpongeBob has always been doing time travel/Multiverse shenanigans. At the end of the day all the shows contradict each other especially the main line SpongeBob show’s canon, because SpongeBob itself doesn’t have much of a continuity, the continuity in SpongeBob’s universe is only relevant based on the episode.

[@btsxdreamxspongebobfanfict1796]

Yeah but did i ask lol

[@JamesWagner-vv9iz]

Okay but this was honestly transphobic

[@michaelstrong5383]

Remember that one episode where Mr. Krabs decided to turn the entire restaurant into one big Spongebob theme, including the Krabby Patties? Years have passed since that episode first aired, and Nickelodeon still didn't get the satire.

[@TheAlphaJayShow]

That episode still speaks volumes today

[@AndrewsMagicandMore]

You're thinking of "The Krusty Sponge". Interesting satire, however the ending IMHO is downright infuriating.

[@seanemery1917]

Because Nickelodeon worships Mammon and focuses more on quantity over quality

[@amesstarline5482]

​@@AndrewsMagicandMoreKrusty Sponge- Plate was the hard-to-scrub spot. Both were Season 5. (It does seem like their title card themes were flipped)

[@tiffany2527]

​@AndrewsMagicandMore it's actually called "The Krusty Sponge".

[@AzureRoxe]

There will never be anything funnier than when a company makes an episode about overmilking something being bad, only for them to do it themselves.

[@TheAlphaJayShow]

Absolutely

[@eatatjoes6751]

Yeah, it’s sad and hilarious.

[@lemon5000-tj6nv]

and now they're gonna start overmilking avatar....

[@jaxsterminator8634]

They’re not milking it, they’re making it BETTER.

[@mayo_-]

@@jaxsterminator8634 stop the cap lmaoooo

[@diandremosley]

If any character could've made a spinoff work It would be Sandy... Have it take place with her family in Texas this makes a distinctive world with unique characters & can have new stories that can be told

[@joelroman6839]

THIS

[@Tyshawnwitch58ivblo]

Perfect, genuinely a spinoff of Sandy, Squidward or Mr Krabs for that matter sounds better than the actual spinoffs we've gotten. Like who genuinely gives a f*cking sh*t about Kamp Koral. And as of the Patrick Star Show it's way too weird, bizarre and is not grounded in it's world or characters for that matter for me to not even Care. The characters in these shows are not fleshed out at all and are the exact same show just one is SpongeBob in camp, the other is Patrick. Overall this is one of the worst universe ever, say what you want about the MCU but at least it's not just the same.

[@Corndogッ]

YES

[@sperglivesmatter2331]

Have you ever heard of SpongeBob Fanon Wiki? There's 400+ seasons of fake episodes starring crackhead gamers, DDLC, Ohio, the backrooms, and other werid or interesting ideas. They even came up with the Patrick Star show before Nickelodeon did and wrote prompts for AI Sponge. Christian Weston Chandler is a recurring character.

[@jayharv285]

​@@Tyshawnwitch58ivbloidk about Krabs. He's a bit too unlikeable

[@tylermccaw8092]

Poor Steven Hilenberg. It’s honestly a shame what they’ve done to his show.

[@winkwinkmits7410]

real

[@jaxsterminator8634]

He would have loved it. They’re making SpongeBob better.

[@joelroman6839]

@@jaxsterminator8634 ???

[@Dezlite]

I would've liked it of they didn't make the spinoffs and improved the main show instead. The spinoff (especially Kamp Koral is the same show).

[@quanashiab.9620]

​@@jaxsterminator8634LIAR!

[@ShreyanGodsay]

…The Spongeverse?

[@bdkq1902]

That sounds so fake but yet it’s real.

[@Justcatc]

😭I hate it its gross 😭but real…

[@TheAlphaJayShow]

It's the canon name surprisingly

[@ShreyanGodsay]

@@TheAlphaJayShow😭😭😭

[@gameyfirebro9645]

What would you go with?!?!?

[@alakazamgengar5434]

The fact that there are so many SpongeBob spin-offs, new episodes, and reruns on that channel… Nickelodeon used to literally have a roster of great and original animated projects. Many of which had their own unique flavors of style and themes. Now it’s pretty much just one hydra under the sea 🌊

[@JeffreyThrash]

Nickelodeon was at its best when we had tons of shows to look forward to, classic '90's cartoons to re-watch throughout Y2K, AND it had SpongeBob on top of all that. It's really an unfortunate trend I've noticed by all these big entertainment companies-they have all the money in the world to keep multiple successful shows all at once while continuing to greenlight original new shows, yet Nickelodeon is JUST SpongeBob now, Cartoon Network is just Gumball re-runs, Disney Plus is just Star Wars and MCU junk, etc etc. Is it any wonder why so many aspiring animators are going the indie route, now that companies like Paramount would rather die on the hill of SpongeBob instead of taking a chance on literally any show that could one day take SpongeBob's place?

[@alakazamgengar5434]

@@JeffreyThrash Agree. Just because something is on top doesn't mean nothing else can work or that properties should be bled out to annoyance.

[@The_Admiral_Angel]

​@@JeffreyThrash I thought Teen Titans Go was taking up the timeslots in CN.

[@FlaxGalax_FG]

They really ruined the Spongebob canon lore by making it more baby like and removing all of the worth of the older episodes, and made Sandy a time traveler and making Gary met Spongebob in camp coral rather than the pound? Wow their bad at story writing. They can't even keep themselves from changing Stephen's actual story and perfectly organized stories. The supposed parents for Patrick ruined the theorist community. It sucks. They ruined Squidward with cartoony expressions and making him grumpy but more on the child like side. And hoe did squidward turn into Handsomeward if it was because of Spongebob's passion and positive or somewhat like that...with a door slam?! Yeah no the community knows more about the Spongebob lore instead of the newest owners for Spongebob. I miss the more depressing yet funny episodes. I miss squidward being bad yet kind to Spongebob because of guilt. Man this sucks.

[@jaxsterminator8634]

They made everything better.

[@FlaxGalax_FG]

@@jaxsterminator8634 and I'm guessing that you must be one of the toddlers watching the newest episodes of Spongebob Squarepants and loving every fart, but and poop jokes..? Right..?

[@jaxsterminator8634]

@@FlaxGalax_FG I’m not a toddler, I’m 16. It’s not just fart and poop jokes, the jokes are ACTUALLY CLEVER.

[@jaxsterminator8634]

@@FlaxGalax_FG Besides, toilet humor doesn’t get me any more than it used to, it’s only if it’s structured like any other joke.

[@quanashiab.9620]

​​@@jaxsterminator8634No wonder you are acting like that, you are a late Gen Zer. Gen X should've raised you lunatics right 💀

[@lasercraft32]

Treating the canon as a mere "suggestion" is just a clear sign of bad writing.

[@redmustachealien]

The multiverse trend has become a fatigued and overrated means of telling a story, particularly the multiverse stories that exist as a means of milking a franchise/existing just for fanservice compared to shows like, say, Fionna and Cake from Adventure Time (oh, include Adventure Time as well since the multiverse concept was introduced during the series) or the Spiderverse movies. What these executives don't realize is that the multiverse concept exists to build up the characters from a main universe/to give characters development, but most of the time, executives have led the multiverse to becoming, "Wow, look at that lore and thag different version of a character! So cool!", instead of existing to build up characters. The most that's changed in terms of SpongeBob are newly established dynamics and the animation style, the rest of it is pure annoyance, fanservice, and the such. This is coming from a huge SpongeBob fan that broke VCRs due to my love for Spongebob (rewinding to watch moments I enjoyed repeatedly), by the way. I enjoy what some of super-modern Spongebob does, but I still see it as a missed opportunity to just keep it as a show that ended after its first theatrical release, because at least like Gravity Falls, Stephen saw it as a means of ending the show on his terms, but as long as corporate Nick does what it does, it's gonna milk Spongebob until its last day on the air in, say, 4023, whatever. As long as Spongebob continues to take no risk and ride off of references without understanding why such a reference would be impactful for the viewer (like if there was a reference to "Hooks" and Spongebob makes a comment about never going on one again [which would show character development] vs. plopping the King Neptune crown in a pile of assorted crap on a shelf), Spongebob will just, well, be itself: a show continously draining by the day as it loses its milk. Spongebob could've gone the Gumball route, or hell, at least found a way to make characters change to where they would be compelling for viewers, but nope, Nick would rather the creatives play it safe and keep the characters static for the sake of brand-recognition and merchandise sales. If Nick really wants a universe of their own, they should've aimed to finding an original show that could fit that role, and yes, I can at least understand *WHY* they want SpongeBob to take that role, but Spongebob just is not the show to do it. SpongeBob is like the Simpsons and Family Guy, there is no such thing as continuity and status quo is God, so trying to interject any form of continuity by diving in head-first is by no means a healthy venture. If anything, say, shoving the two redneck characters from 'Kamp Koral' into Spongebob is just forcing us to be reminded that SpongeBob has spinoffs rather than it being something to be enjoyed. I doubt with Spongebob for so long being seen as a static show with the lightest continuity imaginable would suddenly change in popularity if they interject continuity by shoving their spinoffs and main show together. The damage has already been done, they went into this multiverse venture very poorly. Nickelodeon has been afraid to do *anything* creative since Spongebob became their corporate cow, and the only times they have done so is if they manage to get the same ratings as Spongebob (or even higher), and they too suffer the same fate. Overall, corporatism has been tainting art for years, and it isn't going to stop, either as long as they continue to have their properties receive attention and profit. Some things are better ended on their own terms, regardless what a corporate company says. Taking risk is not always a bad thing, because after a while, people will want something new, that's just the human condition, but alas, when children are so easy to make cash off of, it's no wonder that companies like to take advantage of them and see them as things to shove garbage in front of and expect them to consume it without problem, regardless whether it tastes like candy or vomit. *Spongebob should have died after the first movie. Period.*

[@williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511]

Si gravity falls fue tan exitoso que todos los programas quisieran copiar la fórmula y en vez de hacer programas episodicos decidieron hacer programas que siguen una historia hasta un show más y gumball que eran programas que no seguían una historia ahora tenían una pero bob esponja fue el único que dijo el status quo es dios y así se mantendrá

[@Rinari034]

You know the thing that confuses me? On the new episodes they always put Stephen Hillenburg as the executive producer but the guy’s been dead since 2018 like how is he the producer for these episodes if he’s gone? It just feels gross to me

[@CarpettinginMotel.townson]

Maybe it’s his family? I don’t know

[@vanderquakSP]

I think it’s because the episodes were probably still in production while he was still alive.

[@jaxsterminator8634]

Because he’s the creator of the show??? He needs some credit.

[@nickgadson266]

Vincent Waller stated that Hillenburg will always be credited as an executive producer because he created the show.

[@rangopistacho6928]

steven should of had written in his will: you are legally not allowed to continue my show, it ends with my death

[@tad7441]

Gonna add that if I ever have a successful show.

[@jaxsterminator8634]

Wrong. SpongeBob will never die.

[@paulnash6944]

Kamp Koral and the Patrick Star Show should just be declared non canon.

[@mushroomdude123]

It annoys me deeply that there are so many better shows that get cancelled after 1 season, but Spongebob is basically immortal since it was really successful back in the day. Hell, it was even the main reason so many shows from the 2000s/2010s got cancelled early.

[@eatatjoes6751]

I always remember the irony that Nickelodeon thought Spongebob wouldn’t last a season compared to Catdog and despite everyone on staff wanting to work on Spongebob more and viewers watching Catdog solely out of curiosity they had ordered a buttload of episodes anyway that never aired. I wonder now that Spongebob’s entrenched itself into immortality people are eventually going to start to look at it like they used to do Catdog: no one wants to work on it, yet Nickelodeon’s so plugged in to how legendary Spongebob is and how much money it made that everybody sees it as a punishment to be asked to work on it. *"Nah. Nick tried to ram it down everybody’s throat, but nobody liked that show, including the people who made it. At the studio we considered it all but a punishment to be asked to work on it. But it was the new nicktoon for that year so people watched it… a bit… for a while.”* - Jay Lender, on Catdog

[@jaxsterminator8634]

SpongeBob will never die. It SHOULD never die.

[@Mejustme101]

As a 15 year old, things will go to an end

[@SuperBatSpider]

Bro. They literally aired Tea In The Treedome just before a Kamp Koral episode

[@jayjaybulldog9180]

Don’t forget that about Avatar and tmnt were also beating SpongeBobs ratings ever since they first premiered in 2005 and 2012. However due to the massive popularity of avatar Nick decided to do a spin off named legend of Korra before the sponge had its own sequels. For the turtles, they had no sequel but rather a new show called Rise of the tmnt in 2019 which most people say didn’t really care for but sum casuals still enjoy the art style, action and comedy. Fairly odd parents would never have sequels since it’s just a one show that rival SpongeBob during their early glory years until they eventually had a live action reboot on paramount + that we know should have NEVER happened but despite it I still enjoy watching what made the first seasons of both shows so memorable.

[@lemon5000-tj6nv]

dont forget about rugrats, the og show got milked, then they made two spinoffs and now theres a reboot

[@jayjaybulldog9180]

@@lemon5000-tj6nv soo true they were the biggest show on Nick for a while at one point before the sponge came along

[@rmsdimples8533]

At this point nickelodeon should hire a team of writers to study the humor of season 1-5, go back to season 5 artstyle (personally season 5 has the perfect balance of old and modern spongebob).

[@theengineerfiles5885]

“Okay, I already had enough of these things. Both the spongy and multiverse junkyards are dumb and weird.” - Jax, The Amazing Digital Circus, October 2023 (maybe)

[@magicdogstudios6624]

This is why they went after AI sponge, because they knew it was better than this

[@jaxsterminator8634]

It wasn’t.

[@TheLastArbiter]

In my mind, real SpongeBob ended with the first movie and a handful of acceptable episodes from the next few seasons. What is made today is an insult to the show’s legacy and its original fans. Character assassination, baby-fication, worse art direction, bad comedy and misunderstanding of the show’s established history led to the dismal condition it is in today. This show has been on life support for like a decade and a half and needs to be taken out back.

[@jaxsterminator8634]

SPONGEBOB WILL NEVER DIE. Modern SpongeBob is just as good as Classic SpongeBob. The art is better, they didn’t ruin anything.

[@TheLastArbiter]

@@jaxsterminator8634 you can enjoy it, good on you, I simply disagree

[@jaxsterminator8634]

@@TheLastArbiter You’re just wrong, then.

[@TheLastArbiter]

@@jaxsterminator8634 okie dokie then

[@owlshadow2005]

mad over an opinion? @@jaxsterminator8634

[@puglife658]

Technically the “they exist in seperate dimensions” argument isn’t debunked by that. Each episode supposedly takes place in a seperate parallel universe, so while some things might be canon in one episode, they aren’t in others. It’s a stupid way of doing things and I think they should have just stopped at like season six of SpongeBob and started on something completely new.

[@TheAlphaJayShow]

> Each episode supposedly takes place in a separate parallel universe For this to be true to the point I'm making in the video, either A.) The example I gave "Something Narwhal This Way Comes" from SpongeBob exists in the same universe as Kamp Koral, which makes logical sense, making both universes concurrent, which makes the SpongeVerse they wish to advertise also make logical sense or B.) The show made for kids, has episodes that people have to individually discern are in one dimension (of which there is no name/acknowledgement of) and episodes that exists primarily solo, and anyone can make dimensions as they go. Ockham's Razor suggests that they want each of the three shows to exist with each other.

[@GamingGardevoir]

@@TheAlphaJayShow or “Kamp Koral” and “SpongeBob SquarePants” DO take place in different parallel dimensions, of which a Narleen exists in both dimensions. Perhaps in “SpongeBob”, the little square dude did go to camp too, but didn’t have the same adventures as “Kamp”. I think if they REALLY wanted to push them being a singular timeline, the flashback sequence would’ve been 3D

[@Voxelgd]

honestly i think we should just collectively decide that only the main show is cannon, even if the executives say the spinoffs are as well . i mean, if we all agree they're not cannon, even if the executives say they are, are they really?

[@Wattson-ston]

You know? With the show possibly reaching the 20th season and even higher it is gonna be much harder to refrence or callback to older episodes just because of the sheer ammount of episodes

[@TheyWantMeGone69]

That's why I quit the show after the second movie. Seasons 1-4 and the movie do it for me. Maybe even some later seasons for the mediocre nostalgia.

[@paulgilbert5278]

The show would’ve been more valuable (less rehashed ideas) if it ended early. Sponge bob deteriorated big time.

[@georgeslawter4355]

Seasons 1-12 are canon and the only spongebob i will watch. tbh the later seasons aren’t great but 12 was the last one to actually have hillenburg working on some episodes. Season 13 makes the camp coral stuff canon with episodes like upturn girls.

[@georgeslawter4355]

also yes i am aware that i care too much but i really love this show and hate to see it squeezed dry like this.

[@Corndogッ]

I know. This show had a big downfall since its creator died

[@lovelydolltime8006]

For me, it's only seasons 1 - 8 that are canon (with the complete first 6 seasons being ones I own on DVD).

[@therandomshow_]

"take me to the 4th dimension then." that made me laugh so hard. Also as an OG sponge fan, it's sad seeing what Stephen Hillenburg created being destroyed for the sake of profits. I just know he's turning in his grave.

[@jaxsterminator8634]

He would have loved how SpongeBob is now, it’s just as good as classic SpongeBob.

[@tomatobruv76]

The amount of inconsistencies is EXACTLY WHY the main creator of the show did not want Spongebob babies because if babies were to exist then they would have to find a way to give everything reason of which clearly the current showrunners failed at.

[@msthecommentator2863]

It cracks me up because, by making it so SpongeBob was the one to develop the formula at an early age, they opened up another issue with the continuity since Mr. Krabs and Plankton developed the formula accidentally when they were children, and the resulting fight over who was responsible is the reason why they don't talk to each other anymore. It was supposed to be the driving force behind their feud and why Plankton feels obligated to have it.

[@casualcraftman1599]

Better Call Saul is how you make a good comic relief spin off and good prequel.

[@jaxsterminator8634]

Kamp Koral and TPSS ARE good comic relief spin-offs and prequels.

[@dylansharp8471]

Better Call Saul is a prequel/spin-off?

[@casualcraftman1599]

@@dylansharp8471 yep

[@owlshadow2005]

yeah to breaking bad @@dylansharp8471

[@patrik9328]

Hillenburg never wanted Spongebob spin-offs

[@patrik9328]

@@frescoM-t8j same thing

[@lowfn]

The first episode of Planet Sheen ended with his inner monologue that made you think he would have character development throughout the show and grow as a person. They played us for fools. I remember being so disappointed as a kid because I was hyped to see how he would develop. Also the name of the show made me figure he would eventually rule the planet, thus making it "Planet Sheen"

[@pastelxpeaches4747]

I love when he posts it just gives me therapy everything he says is so relatable that even if I had gotten frustrated with a show earlier on in the day, knowing someone feels and sees it the exact same way and put it into better words and more background is astonishing, calming and relatable

[@jaxsterminator8634]

It’s not relatable at all, it’s completely wrong.

[@pastelxpeaches4747]

@@jaxsterminator8634 ur opinion I’ve enjoyed this channel since the 3hr gumball analysis I subscribed and have been keeping an eye outfit new vids keep in mind it takes hours of research maybe even days and a lot of editing so not only do I agree with the videos I also appreciate anytime he posts m

[@Saint_Branden]

Squidward needs a spin off NOT Patrick

[@Corndogッ]

Agree

[@unseenphantomamvsytp2186]

This is my headcanon. SANDY TIME TRAVEL: Having her younger self go to camp with Spongbob creates a split timeline. Future Sandy from the main timeline can still interact with her but the future of kid sandy's timeline is now going to be very different since she's now friends with kid Spongbob. PATRICK'S PARENTS: "Wow son you recognized us this time!" Remember that? I think their was a big portion of Patrick's childhood and early adulthood where he just wondered off and ended up with another family he thought was his own and didn't rediscover his birth Parents until later which they just shrugged off as "That's just Patrick being Patrick! 😂"

[@OurKindofEntertainment]

I only watch Spongebob episodes ranging from Season 1 back in 1999 to the 2006 era. I just quit because at some point I just went, "Yeah, this is just getting dumber and dumber..." I have watched several episodes of Kamp Koral with my nephew and I enjoy it for what it is. The sponge is one of many franchises that have long since run its course and you can tell that the only reason it is still going is because it is the cash cow of its network.

[@PokiRet]

Who’s taking SpongeBob seriously enough to make a universe video about it? Not sure if this is a joke video or a legit look into SpongeBob canon.

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

So, I don't mean this in an aggressive way, I'm honestly asking. Who actually cares about the canon for SpongeBob SquarePants? Surely it's currently working in the same system that The Simpsons has used for decades? It just picks what counts and what doesn't on an episode-by-episode basis. Want Krabs to be a chef at the camp? Sure! Want him to be a manager? That works too! Its like how details such as Homer Simpson's childhood gets changed around if they want to do an episode in the past. It's a status quo show, with the odd bit of continuity. Same as when Lisa became a vegetarian on The Simpsons.

[@rosiequartzie2230]

Nick cancelled awesome shows like Invader Zim, House of Anubis, The Casagrandes, and Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles just to keep milking THIS? 😞

[@uncannydcmarvelous5732]

Eh The Casagrandes wasn't THAT good, plus they're also still milking The Loud House with that awful live action version, the upcoming Casagrandes animated movie and a possible second animated movie of TLH.

[@rosiequartzie2230]

@@uncannydcmarvelous5732 Fair, but at least it's more tolerable than Loud House at this point.

[@lemon5000-tj6nv]

rottmnt got canned so they can milk mutant mayhem

[@dante4401]

This doesn’t mention that in later episode I think called friend or foe there was given backstory on Krabs making the secret formula. More continuity problems are there are multiple characters all referred to as old man jenkins each with different designs. Also the spongebob movies add a ton of timeline confusion (where its placed, Neptune vs Poseidon situation, patty wagon in both movies, etc) trying to think of more examples, fun vid btw, need to check out more modern spongebob

[@smollmoth6376]

Something about the modern spongebob artstyle makes my anxiety spike idk why. I mean it isn't bad it's just like on full blast all the time and it feels like the characters are never actually like still. Like they can not be moving but the pose they're in is an action pose and it makes my brain feel weird.

[@Samm3ybox]

Nickelodeon broken 3 timelines 1st when sandy and sponge met 2nd the origin of the formula 3rd patricks family 2nd one the formula is made after plankton and krabs fights Here is the summary Plankton and krabs got inspired by a health hazard burger place -> krabs and plankton made their own place, it failed -> plankton had a fight with krabs -> Plankton slams the door and the shelf feel and the ingredients went in the pot of chum or something -> krabs taste tested it to everyone at school planktons version failed -> krabs inspired to make a resturant THATS HOW THEIR RIVALRY STARTED Kamp koral just removed that story like bro Also if that actually happend a few question 1 HOW OLD IS MR KRABS 2 WHY DID MR KRABS JOINED OR FOUNDED KAMP KORAL 3 IN THE MOVIE KRABS IS THE COOK HOW IS HE THE ONE WHO RUNS IT THEN 3 IN THE MOVIE MR KRABS WAS INSPIRED BY SPONGEBOB TO OPEN HIS OWN RESTURANT THAT MEANS HE ALREADY HAVE THE FORMULA THEN HOE DOES IT MAKE SENSE THAT HE GOT THE FORMULA FROM SPONGEBOB AND HOW DID HE MADE HIS FAST FOOD RESTURANT HE OLY WANTED SPONGEBOB TO BE THERE BECAUSE OF HOW FAST HE WORKS IN THE 1ST EPISODE OF THE ORIGINAL SERIES

[@gamidinaemkara828]

Just noticed first time watching the seasquatch has been shown before in a one off joke in earlier seasons, when Patrick was told to get out of town, he suggested disguising himself as a seaweed monster or something and a character that looks almost exactly like them is shown on screen waving

[@aidanwhite8268]

It’s truly disgraceful that Nickelodeon put Stephen Hillenburg’s name after “Created by” in the credits of these spin-offs.

[@firdanharbima6997]

I just think it's absolutely Unnecessary to even try to connect them rather than saying they are different timelines or Universe altogether because in the end the logic isn't there to make it even connect it's like sticking a Lego to Puzzle pieces that have Lego drawing on it it's unnecessary to try, it's not That it's dumb or not entirely canon it's just so much work to even make it make sense when what already there is thrown away replaced by something that isn't effective like the old ones do

[@aaronmcclellan12345]

Seasons 1 through 3 of SpongeBob and the first SpongeBob SquarePants movie was when SpongeBob was SpongeBob.

[@dante4401]

I think the reason why episodic shows get a bad wrap is bc people are so used to story driven ones and write off any moment that felt like that or inconsequential as filler. Meaning any show that feels unfocused to what they’re used to as just only filler or unimportant to what’s going on, like purposeless. Interesting to think about though

[@angelabryant9766]

I swear to God if anybody says 'It's Spongebob, who cares about continuity? It's just mindless nonsense!' I'mma blow a gasket. Maybe that argument could've held up if it purely stayed as just the one show, even though there were some lore basics that even the show kept firmly in place, Sandy's arrival being the most obvious, but now that it's branching out into other shows and the universe is expanding, that argument's dead and buried. If they're going to expand the universe, then the lore HAS to matter.

[@RomaroBrandon]

Why does SpongeBob already having his job matter? SpongeBob didn't make a Krabby Patty at camp he just made a patty that tasted good. It's a completely different recipe and it's not the first time a Krabby Patty has been made different and still tasted good. There was the Jim Patty for instance which is better than SpongeBob's, Pretty Patties with rainbow colors, Krabby Patties with jelly. All different from the main Krabby Patty that Mr. Krabs claimed is an old Krabs recipe, which itself is different from the Krabby Patty he and Plankton made as kids with there own formula. My point is that theory you heard could actually hold up.

[@cybershroom9240]

Honestly the Camp Koral Vs. Camp Coral and stuff like Mr. Krabs really just shows that not only they don't give a shit to at least be consistent across products but also that Viacom is churning out all this slop way too fast to where these multiple writers probably don't even got time to email each other to touch base

[@skidooshlayman12]

"Do what you want with my cartoon, just don’t make it boring." - Stephen Hillenberg

[@tylermccaw8092]

and that is a real quote made by him?

[@carterhunt548]

Paul tibbitt said that Steven Hillenburg would have HATED the spinoffs. and I totally agree.

[@lettuceburger1821]

With your 3rd party called "the secrets family" there is an episode of spongebob that shows krabs and plankton first making the formula together

[@Thesupperals]

You know they messed up when they forget the very FIRST (of 3) EPISODE(S) that green lit the ENTIRE franchise. The truth is, they did what they did because they ran out of ideas rather than being what it originally was: A cartoon with wisdom based humor for all ages. Patrick wasn't a bumbling idiot, he was a starfish living a non-ambitious life. Squidward wasn't just some tortured soul, he was a cynical pessimist trying to get past a dead end job because he holds himself back. SpongeBob wasn't just some diddle dee character who's always stupid and happy. He was sophisticated, with problems of his own, outgoing, and trying to handle life problems with optimism even when he does his best not knowing any better. That's why they failed. TL:DR; The matured side you would find in an adult is no longer found in the show.

[@gregzotter6189]

If the formula was destroyed in the past...wouldn't that mean there would be no Krusty Krab for Sandy (from the future) to sit in in order to set this plan up?

[@MrMartellSincere]

Nickelodeon milking SpongeBob for everything until it hits the ground 😭

[@ShesquatchPiney]

An artist I diligently follow for her horse shenanigans was a key force on Camp Koral, I can't remember correctly their precise job title, but it was pretty up there and she had absolutely earned that spot putting years into SpongeBob's storyboarding. Because of the studio's corpo brain rot mishandling of the spongebrand, a talented up and comer now has the baggage of a "underperforming show" on their resume. I love that you gave so much space to the artists on these shows, cuz AP Davis and others deserved better. I think they were mishandled with little regard for the longevity because a failed show can always be used for tax write offs. Just a big lame that this is what has befallen our beloved sponge. Edit cuz I didn't realize the show is still going. I know that artist isn't on it anymore tho.

[@TheRealLegoDocOck]

Is anyone gonna talk about the date on the tweet in the thumbnail?

[@yungmilf]

I grew up on and absolutely loved this show. Literally a staple of my childhood and portion of my comedy, im now a mom and my son is obsessed with. Watching the newer stuff just crushes my heart. Its so different to the OG shit, i cant explain it.

[@jaxsterminator8634]

It’s not different, it’s just as good as classic SpongeBob.

[@yungmilf]

@@jaxsterminator8634 opinions are like assholes, everyones got one. And that opinion i disagree with more than i could put into words.

[@jaxsterminator8634]

@@yungmilf You’re wrong then. It’s not an opinion, it’s a FACT. What I’m saying is FACT.

[@jaxsterminator8634]

@@LoreliusHogglefart-yl7kc *IT IS A FACT,* AND I’M NOT A NEW FAN. I’ve been a fan ever since I was born, in 2007. I prefer the classic seasons and all, but the newer seasons are almost just as good! They’re NOT milking the franchise either.

[@jaxsterminator8634]

@@LoreliusHogglefart-yl7kc HE DIDN’T SAY HE DIDN’T WANT ANY SPIN-OFFS. Every episode in the series has memorable moments, even the few bad ones.

[@TobyOliverHenryFan]

14:26 WRONG WRONG WRONG! The Nurse Is NOT New To Kamp Koral! She Has Appeared In The Main Show A Long Time Before In Kamp Koral! In an episode that was about Mr Krabs being afraid of check ups, nurses and doctors.

[@briccanimations]

Nickelodeon: “Am I really going to use Hillenburg’s grave as a toilet for money? Of course I am!”

[@IsaacWale2004]

I think, honestly, that different episodes in the same show are in different universes... I don't like that they did this.

[@adamjames8854]

Youve gotta love the strategy of making 10 different shows simultaneously, and have none of them communicating or planning shit out with each other lmao. Like its literally just disney marvel all over again lmao. Just throw a thousand references at them and hope theyre blinded by member berries

[@Spencer-wc6ew]

There is a way the time travel could make sense: Sandy's time machine creates time loops when used. The Sponge on the Run time machine creates different timelines when used. Using Sponge on the Run's time machine had butterfly effects of Sandy going to Kamp Koral and making her time machine. Sandy's time machine created a bootstrap paradox. Since her time machine only exists in the new timeline, so does bootstrap paradox. After Sponge on the Run, the show follows this new timeline. Did the writers actually put this much thought into it while writing? I highly doubt it.

[@AJ-xc4qe]

Even as a SpongeBob diehard, Nickelodeon pretty much groomed me into never watching anything unless the show is already over or someone already reviewed it and is good enough for critics to persuade me to watch it. The latter case happened for Inside Job. Yeah.

[@Ardient_]

at this point, the head gangster version of SpongeBob (you know which one I'm talking about lol) has a better storyline than what Nickelodeon creates these days 💀💀💀 On an 'unrelated' note it would be funny to see him react to Glorb

[@shylar763]

Yeah the inconsistencies the spin-offs caused really bugs me, and I wanna point out this show was inconsistent even when it first started, but some things from the show seemed pretty consistent, and then the spin-offs basically messed up the couple things that seemed pretty consistent and I find it frustrating

[@g0ddish434]

I think the problem can be summarized in two things: They're trying to establish an MCU style franchise in a franchise meant to be episodic. Which could work if they just watch the show and analyze what's been established, however Spongebob was never meant to be taken seriously in terms of it's "story". So even if they followed the actual canon, why would we? There's not really any reward for watching all of them. The show always retconned itself left and right because it was never the focus of the show. The next thing and in my opinion, the real reason why it's flopping. They have the same team working on three shows in aspects, which isn't giving room for anything that could make people want to watch the spinoffs. Sure, the Patrick Show was meant to be an everything goes show. However when I watched a review prior, they stated that the only thing they really put no restraint with was the animation. In terms of writing, it's just Spongebob with a different coat of paint. So why not watch Spongebob? It's just a theory to me, as the only source I really have to making this conclusion is an old review of the spinoffs made by LSMark.

[@thebrightdiamondtp7871]

Is the Spongeverse even flopping at all? Since it’s Spongebob I don’t really expect it to fail

[@g0ddish434]

@@thebrightdiamondtp7871 Spongebob is still thriving, however the Spongeverse as a business practice and more simply: The two other shows aren't.

[@reverseshin]

I just view camp coral as an alternate universe/alternate canon. Same thing with Patrick Star Show.

[@dannigro8794]

The spinoffs aren’t really for older viewers who love SpongeBob. They’re for new viewers who either don’t see continuity or care. I was 10 when SpongeBob premiered and by the time it aired the movie I was 15 so I enjoyed SpongeBob and it’s golden years and something happened when I grew up. I never really got into it anymore but there’s so many generations that watch the show that don’t have to analyze how things were, they’ll just watch new episodes because they’re new and that’s it. These writers aren’t really living in the past there just riding stuff trying to make a profit trying to make a show and that’s it but SpongeBob is never a show with a point it was a show to be entertaining and some episodes do that better than others.

[@VampireFan-rf5kb]

Stephen Hillenburg: WHAT HAVE YOU ALL DONE?!?!

[@BarelyFair]

Well i can't take you to the 4th dimension, but can you show me a talking sponge that fries patties for living?

[@ZorroVulpes]

Are we really just calling sequels and prequels "a universe" now? Does this make Frozen and Frozen 2 a cinematic universe?

[@nathanclifton1904]

I wonder when the “alpha jay” plush will be available…

[@GameparkGames]

The issue with the sandy time travel thing is that they say the secret formula would be rediscovered in the future when in the main show it shows a pregnant SpongeBob's mother (who's pregnant with SpongeBob) and they go to the Krusty Krab and that's where SpongeBob gained his love for the Krabby Patty... So the entire bit is wrong 😂

[@icecreamhero2375]

If I was a cartoon creator I would be happy to get the opportunity to do spin offs. It means I get paid for the opportunity to create. I agree they are unnecessary cash grabs though.

[@PopcorniPLUS-rg1nm]

Spongebob created the formula, which was destroyed so Krabs could create it

[@rndmprsn3970]

The moment that SpongeBob went from a naïve adult to just a child is the moment the show fell in my opinion

[@Silver_feddy]

old spongebob is better

[@miscneilleaneous]

Okay I have to come back and comment this after watching the FIRST episode of the Patrick Star Show and I'm convinced whoever wrote/directed this offshoot of Spongebob was on hallucinogenics.

[@NoLife623]

12:30 Actually, I can. You see, we are all living in the fourth dimension. The fourth dimension is an endless circle where there are no edges. You would not be able to feel the edges but you could FEEL and SEE other things such as the LIVES of others fall into dust before your eyes. And as TIME goes forward, you will run out of it, before being consumed by the endless black void of the transparent edges that were brought forth earlier.

[@danielcurren2119]

There was this fan made soundtrack on KZbin that I listened to a few years that represents this, how hollow the show and world are becoming, but I don’t remember how to find it. It was like 5-15ish hours or so and had main themes of jellyfish fields, krusty krab, etc, except it was like “the jellyfish are all gone” or “the last aisle” idk it’s been a while. But seeing the decline of SpongeBob while it’s un-inevitable demise prolongs the loss of a key past of our childhoods, this memory of that soundtrack came back

[@metazoxan2]

The thing about Canon both mattering and not mattering is the same issue as Rick and Morty with how it flip flops between if it wants to be an episodic show or one with a focus on over arching story. But at least Rick and Morty kind of wore it's own issues on it's sleeve like a badge of honor and used it's crude tone to say "we don't care we're just going to do what we want" and while this has issues production wise ... you kinda respect the determination of the writers to just do their own thing. Spongebob does not have this excuse as it's clearly very coporately controlled and it's narrative issues are more the result of a lack of effort, rather than a rebellious desire to right without regard to proper structure.

[@SaddieMoon]

SpongeBob was episodic. So any current inconsistencies I treat as alternate dimensions or timelines from each other. I did the same when inconsistencies appeared in the main show when that was all that we had. I can continue to do it now. (Especially that I don’t watch the new episodes anymore)

[@lillyy256]

it would've made more sense if sandy and plankton were at odds and plankton was also time traveling to kamp koral to STEAL the formula, and sandy simply follow the trail

[@warudos]

Basically, they don't know what made the original funny and wholesome. We have a bunch of hacks keeping this crappy train going and not killing it like FOP.

[@nahmate4307]

The saddest part about all of this, is with this whole messed up “canon” how the heck can they reverse the actions and changes they’ve done!?

[@raptormations7942]

You are one of the first people I’ve ever watched it finally understands time travel the amount of views that I’ve watched and got this topic. Wrong is a lot.

[@S_yIvie]

Who tf watches spongebob for the lore??

[@theshenpartei]

Also didn’t Mr Krabs make the formula?

[@RumiNyx]

no one: fred: *MY LEG!*

[@ツツ]

grown man complaining about spongebob for 30 minutes

[@jangorook4257]

Just because something is a problem on paper doesn't mean it really is a problem in practice. Especially in this case because SpongeBob SquarePants is an episodic series without an overarching story. But the whole thing is now confusing because it looks like the writers can't decide when to ignore what happened earlier and when to follow it. And even though all those mistakes about continuity are essentially not important because, as I said, there is no overarching story, the fact that the writers sometimes pretend to follow continuity makes all this even more confusing than it is, when there really is no need for it.

[@luluzin5022]

If the three shows existed separately, in different continuities, it would be one thing. But having the three shows reference one another, in spite of all the inconsistencies between them, that just leads to confusion. It seems that Nickelodeon tried to replicated, in SpongeBob, what they did to The Loud House and Los Casagrandes. Except that Los Casagrandes was set up in a Loud House special, and the two shows never contradict themselves. Ronnie Anne canonically moved away to a different state, and that fact remains consistent in both shows. So does the fact that Bobbie and Lori are boyfriend and girlfriend. It would be weird, for example, if Bobbie had a different girlfriend in Los Casagrandes, but continued to date Lori in The Loud House. Audiences would surely notice such a glaring error.

[@brandonanderson4128]

Kamp koral is always gonna have a place in my heart. It's what introduced my now 3 year old daughter to SpongeBob. We watched "what about meep" probably well over 100 times. And now she's huge into "regular" SpongeBob as well due to that So I might be a little biased here but. I got a lot of love for kamp koral.

[@qaireenrosman2934]

Ngl I think Patrick's show is way better than kamp koral or the one before it. Idk i just kinda like the og 2d style

[@Dash21256]

So basically the 4D is where you can see through walls

[@IrrelevantOaf]

As far as I'm concerned Spongebob ended with the first movie and everything afterwards is just bad filler.

[@sexuallyactivetoyotacorolla]

absolutely NO way that lil bro is acting like the creator of a show for little kids is tryna create a canon or any cinematic universe at all (other than its sub-series the patrick star show)

[@mechajay3358]

SpongeBob was specifically not created for a "spin-offverse." It just leads to so much confusion and complications for a simpler show about the adventures of a seas sponge. This is why Hillenburg was not on board with the idea.

[@TheAlphaJayShow]

Nice Daft Punk icon, glad to see a fellow fan

[@ethantasti2521]

@@TheAlphaJayShow that's what you reply to

[@mechajay3358]

@@TheAlphaJayShow Thanks. Their music is just incredible.

[@BlazeRBXonYT]

To be honest SpongeBob making the formula also clearly contradicts the episode "Friend or Foe?" (still an episode vaguely a part of original SpongeBob, shown to the public in 2007) where Plankton and Krabs canonically been friends prior to their rivalry as kids, which began with them MAKING THE FORMULA. Krabs and Plankton both discover the secret formula together (naming it the "Plab Patty" as a spin on their names) and then when they fought on it, thus ripping the original recipe in half, both of them go their separate ways providing a different conclusion to how the delectable dish would be made, aka inventing the chum burger and the krabby patty since one went with homemade ingredients while the other went to science. That completely gets contradicted with BOTH krabs and plankton learning that SpongeBob made the first krabby patty recipe in Kamp Koral... either way that spinoff series is the death of the original canon.

[@cajunking5987]

But… didn’t SpongeBob’s formula burn up? So the formula is safe for Mr Krabs and Plankton to rediscover…? Like sandy said?

[@BlazeRBXonYT]

@@cajunking5987 It would have been if that episode I stated wasn't of Krabs and Plankton as children and as young adult camp directors instead, but since this was when the two were kids it completely defies the whole logic that they had to "rediscover it".

[@spyro2002]

​​@@cajunking5987in friend or foe krabs and plankton discover the formula *as kids* so it should be already discovered when Kamp coral would theoretically take place

[@Mooms]

SpongeBob’s lore constantly contradicts itself anyway

[@cajunking5987]

@@spyro2002 ohhh ok I didn’t remember them being kids my bad

[@EV1LM4GE]

Rule #17 of cartoons: If a family-family cartoon gets really really popular, there’s gonna be another show but with babies.

[@miniredin527]

I learnt this after seeing Scooby-Doo babies and recently Looney Tunes babies

[@ntfoperative9432]

@@miniredin527a pup named scooby doo was actually pretty good

[@lassenker07]

@@miniredin527 Total Drama also fell prey to this

[@HimeNoKuri]

And the classic Muppet Babies! That was a great show having a zeitgeist

[@BadaBing511]

It's funny how Rugrats pulled the reverse.