AlphaZero Plays a Tal Move | Chess Has A Bright Future

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1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. f3 O-O 6. Be3 c5 7. Nge2 Nc6 8. d5 Ne5 9. Ng3 e6 10. Be2 exd5 11. cxd5 a6 12. Qd2 b5 13. O-O Re8 14. Bh6 Bxh6 15. Qxh6 Qe7 16. Nd1 Qf8 17. Qd2 h5 18. h4 Bd7 19. Nf2 b4 20. Rfe1 Bb5 21. f4 Ned7 22. Bf3 Qh6 23. Rad1 Rab8 24. Nh3 a5 25. Ng5 a4 26. e5 dxe5 27. f5 Bc4 28. d6 Bxa2 29. Bc6 Bb3 30. Ra1 Rf8 31. Bxa4 Bxa4 32. Rxa4 Rbe8 33. Ra7 e4 34. Rc7 Re5 35. N3xe4 Nxe4 36. Rxe4 Rxe4 37. Nxe4 Qxd2 38. Nxd2 Rd8 39. fxg6 fxg6 40. Ne4 Kf8 41. Kf1 b3 42. Ke2 Re8 43. Kd3 Ne5+ 44. Ke3 Nf7 45. d7 Re6 46. Rxc5 Ke7 47. Rd5 Ra6 48. Nc5 Ra1 49. Rd2 Rc1 50. Kd4 Kd6 51. Nxb3 51... Rc6 52. Na5 Rc1 53. Rf2 Nd8 54. Nc4+ Kxd7 55. Ne5+ Ke6 56. Nxg6 Nc6+ 57. Ke3 Re1+ 58. Kd3 Rd1+ 59. Ke2 Rh1 60. g3 Rg1 61. Nf4+ Ke7 62. Nxh5 Ne5 63. Kd2 Ra1 64. Kc3 Kd6 65. Nf4 Rc1+ 66. Rc2 Rg1 67. Rg2 Rc1+ 68. Kb3 Rc8 69. Rd2+ Ke7 70. Rd5 Kf6 71. Ka2 Rg8 72. Ne2 Ke6 73. Rd4 Ra8+ 74. Kb1 Nc6 75. Rc4 Kd6 76. Re4 Rc8 77. h5 Rg8 78. Rh4 Ke7 79. h6 Kf7 80. h7 Rh8 81. Kc2 Ne7 82. Kd3 Ng6 83. Rh6 Kg7 84. Rh5 Nf8 85. b4 Nxh7 86. Nf4 Re8 87. Rf5 Nf8 88. Kd4 Re1 89. b5 Nd7 90. Kd5
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[@LukeSumIpsePatremTe]

Why isn't the fishy guy winning? Rating 8 might not be great, but atleast it's more than Alpha's zero.

[@dicemaster6518]

pu tum ptzz.

[@philipr1567]

Brilliant comment. Best laugh I've had all week (including last week!)

[@Envengerx]

Haha

[@pastortroy4life]

This took me way too long to get.

[@wompastompa3692]

Elder god tier joke.

[@ninjocswtf5833]

If you were able to see that the light is shining on his hair congratulations you are a great moth

[@ultrainstinctshaggy669]

Bröther... pass me the lämp

[@rajdatta7454]

😂😂😂😂

[@dominicpozzo2991]

You forget. IF he speaks as a hypothesis, THEN he must finish as a hypothesis

[@Sol1taireTV]

Hi agadmator I think you are missing the point of the AlphaZero vs Stockfish series as well. AlphaZero is basically using the Google super computer and Stockfish doesn't run on that hardware; Stockfish was basically running on what would be my laptop. If you wanna have a match that's comparable you have to have Stockfish running on a super computer as well. AlphaZero would not have been able to reach the advantageous positions here in many cases if Stockfish was running on a super-computer.

[@sharang7858]

@@Sol1taireTV boy you are so wrong...

[@ulissemini5492]

tal: *sacs queen and 3 rooks then wins* everyone: its just normal tal play computer: *sacs pawn* everyone: *faints*

[@sujatasharma8560]

Yes.... That's the actuality.....

[@slamalamadingdangdongdiggy5268]

I'd like to see any human sac a pawn to stockfish and win

[@anilakhan1203]

@@slamalamadingdangdongdiggy5268 yup alpha sac 2 pawns in position where stock fish had seemingly invincible pawn push on queen side and alpha wins

[@wesleychen4408]

Nowadays chess is much more solid and people believe that many of Tals sacrifices wouldn’t work. Alpha Zero proving that sacrifices still have potential is very interesting.

[@knightofchess6900]

@@slamalamadingdangdongdiggy5268 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@HasiburRahman360]

I always like to imagine Stockfish as a demigod of chess who laughs at peasant humans for not playing machine moves to win and there comes literal god Alpha Zero smirking and obliterates Stockfish with a human move.

[@cadespaulding3837]

who is Lc0

[@taufiqal-kahfi8605]

Well said

[@InattentiveADHB]

The prophet has spoken. That'd make a sick film.

[@ArchanaSingh-wj5bd]

@@cadespaulding3837 Lc0 is leela chess zero

[@jtolam]

Lc0/Leela is actually open source and based on alpha

[@aliteomandemir5972]

Only dislike is from stockfish 8

[@viski-]

Alpha deleted that dislike

[@SenorQuichotte]

Right... Only a moron would play against SF 8. SF 10 will crush you in half the moves

[@RuudJH]

These games were from early 2018. By now, analyses by SF9 and SF10 have discarded quite a few of SF8's choices. Looks like the programmers have made SF wiser too. AZ will still crush the newer versions, but not by this margin.

[@user-nc3gu3wm4e]

Stockfish is reigning world champion. AZ refuses to play Stockfish on even terms(like TCEC). Stockfish crushes everyone(including Leela) they put in front of it. Connect the dots folks.

[@EebstertheGreat]

@Brad Heilman That's the anarchy symbol, bro, not atheism. If you're going to be an asshole, at least don't be a stupid asshole.

[@patricksalhany8787]

Alpha He protec He attac But most importantly He pawn sac

[@simslaurs]

I chuckled!

[@ernestopanza4194]

Cringe

[@bustarogers9990]

Can someone please tell me where the hell that "he protec , he attac , but" line came from????. It's every freaking where.

[@simslaurs]

@@bustarogers9990 It's a meme.

[@Dante20321]

Patrick Salhany underrated comment 😂

[@gioser3021]

TALpha

[@John_II]

And I thought I was being clever Tal-pha Zero... :P

[@gioser3021]

@@John_II TALpha requieres no zero because it has Tal's left hemisphere which adds so much elo not to permit a numerical quantification in any field 😂

[@isawicameiconqueredandcame3708]

@@gioser3021 science, bitch!

[@andrujo]

Alpha ZeTal

[@detlefschmidt6789]

I think that this all is propaganda. In do not believe that Stockfisch is so weak against alpha z.

[@DVal-bl7hm]

With all the imbalances that Alpha Zero makes, I would be really interested to see how Alpha Zero would play against itself.

[@MineCraftrules17]

I mean.... That is how it learns

[@V8SupersQirreL]

@@MineCraftrules17 It is amazing that alpha zero got so good just by playing - don't know - millions of games against irself. I did not get better by playing against myself, the only thing was - i won nearly all the games exept some draws...

[@tehjokur7041]

@@V8SupersQirreL I would assume that Alpha Zero doesn't really play against itself. At least for Deepmind's Alpha Star (the Starcraft 2 "AI") it's the case that there exist different versions of the "AI", called agents, playing against each other. Also the learning process doesn't really resemble human behavior. The engine starts playing by just knowing the rules of chess and then two randomized versions (regarding the decisions) start playing against each other without being biased by knowing any strategies.

[@V8SupersQirreL]

@@tehjokur7041 I guess, i don't really understand what you mean - so you must be right! My english is not the best, what i told was the version i heard, i believed, and it was kind of realistic. Btw - my computer-knowledge is as good as my english!

[@joshuaspector8182]

@@V8SupersQirreL I found it was very difficult to play against myself in chess, so long as I was making an honest attempt with both pieces.

[@vasilismavroudis4211]

Just the hearing of the word ''Tal'' is enough to brighten your day

[@piguy3144]

i think you meant to say word but the sentence makes sense nonetheless

[@Jay0neDE]

eh, Tal runes aren't that great

[@mubaraksenju7521]

I agree on what others say "show us a game where Stockfish wins", but I couldnt agree more when you said that it's not about who won the match, but how creative both players play their game and refute each other's plan. LOVE U AGAD!!

[@DezDav4]

The one that people want to see is the one where Stockfish kept sacrificing pieces and won. It was pretty creative and entertaining. Here's Suren showing the game: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXvKg2efhcqsrrM

[@GerSHAK]

@@DezDav4 +

[@dannygjk]

@@DezDav4 The only way SF sacs pieces is if it is not a true sac. ie. if it can calculate a mate or later regaining material achieving a won position.

[@dannygjk]

@John Doe Nope there are two different types of sacs and I didn't invent the idea. btw Just because a sac can't be determined 100% to be sound does not mean that it is a blunder.

[@dannygjk]

@John Doe Rudolf Spielmann for one.

[@JJ-kl7eq]

8:56 - Stockfish’s most powerful piece on h6 = A queen in prison Riker’s Island Correctional Facility = a prison in Queens

[@emsnewssupkis6453]

HAHAHA. Yup. And there are sometimes queens in that prison for rolling customers...

[@takatotakasui8307]

J J good one

[@lEe-sc1rd]

I legit live 2 blocks away from rikers island in queens NY.. Where can i find this queen ;)

[@sufferationist]

Only problem is that Rikers is in the Bronx, hahaha...

[@cadulino83]

"Playing basketball in Pelican Bay!!!"

[@MrSJL72]

Honor of this e5-sacrifice, followed by f5, belongs to late Kaarle Ojanen. It is even named after him; every chessplayer in Finland knows the thing called "Ojasen oivallus" (=Ojanen's epiphany). This idea has been played in some number of occasions, but he was the one who found it first.

[@dannygjk]

You are speaking of an idea a strategical motif. No one can say who saw this idea first it may have been first played in 1485. (Unless you mean in that exact position?)

[@trevorrogers95]

You know, the thing!

[@Sasha1234575]

I found the move Rook c7, wasn`t so hard..... after i watched this vid 3 times.

[@shirishsharma8372]

Tal's spirit is in alpha.

[@arthurnorcome3967]

The anime is coming soon

[@arthurnorcome3967]

@@bustarogers9990 it was a joke and I can't tell if you are upset or joking also. sheesh I should probably add a, (joke) to all my terrible joking comments to clarify

[@bobbwc7011]

It's so not so much Tal, but clearly Kasparow.

[@EmmEmmE777]

Tal understood everything

[@ratel.miodozer]

felt *

[@tristanperrow8518]

is dead*

[@dannygjk]

@@tristanperrow8518 Is English your first language? The OP used the past tense.

[@rohangeorge712]

@@dannygjk lol

[@geckomaniac3801]

Holy shit I was scared you wouldnt upload today. I need this daily content hahaha

[@kagankuscu108]

(Nervous laughter)*

[@zwischendurundmoll3968]

jea basicly, its like drugs for me 😂

[@KeepHimAtBay]

ITS EVERYDAY BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@paranchoy6077]

You should watch videos from IMs or GMs. These shallow vids by this 2000 guy who barely speaks English don't add much to chess. He doesn't understand the games he shows on any level

[@geckomaniac3801]

@@paranchoy6077 I don't only watch the videos to get mind blown by the interpretation of the chess moves. I watch him because he is funny, wholehearted and entertaining. And I think his subscriber count speaks for itself. If you look for a deep analysis of these games you might be right, but most people don't. We just want to be entertained. There's nothing wrong with that. :)

[@gladJonas]

Is stockfish never on white?

[@dannygjk]

All the matches were 50/50 proportion white and black.

[@reverently]

Lol weird seeing a channel like this on a channel like this

[@FourOneNineOneFourOne]

I think stockfish managed to draw most (all?) of the games it played as white, so perhaps it's not as interesting to review :)

[@ericmol5698]

The creator of Stock fish is a proud sponsor of Woke and black lives matter and does not appreciate your racist inspired comment. White men have gone first just too many times in chess and that's going to stop.

[@hiimemily]

@@ericmol5698 the right can't meme

[@elginngzhing4026]

Watching a video overseas on holiday in China, so I had to buy data and get a VPN just to watch you, almost 1 min in when u uploaded, at 1am after a long flight and a long day, because your content is that great. Thanks and keep it up Adgamator! :) Also #suggestion apparently there was a game that Stockfish won against A0 where Stockfish was super aggressive and won brilliantly. Please:)

[@mylifematters858]

He mentioned the game . It’s because they set up an opening book that wasn’t real

[@archibaldhaddock5277]

That‘s some dedication there! Well done!

[@rahulmalhan2262]

Isn't using KZbin illegal there.. Or it's allowed for foreigners??

[@elginngzhing4026]

@@rahulmalhan2262 it's not illegal but most Google related things and things like Instagram are blocked. They have a country wide firewall that prevents this

[@basilecandelon292]

@@rahulmalhan2262 There is a firewall but when you are a foreigner (and even for Chinese but they do not really need it and they face harder reprimands) it is easy to get a VPN and access to any website

[@elijahm1636]

Imagine in 30 years, GMs who grew up learning chess by Alpha Zero

[@bobbwc7011]

Alpha0 plays like Kasparow and Iwantschuk.

[@Truthsker]

Love your channel! Am getting better when I can’t play any longer I just watch:) thanks!!

[@kilimanjarno]

Exactly a Tal move; we've seen him make moves just like that. Thank you for finding that move in the huge release of Alpha Zero games.

[@gurtejgill]

Great game. At first I wasn't sure if I wanted to watch a game between engines, but after seeing these moves and your brilliant explanation of the ideas behind them I'm looking forward to watching more!

[@dude157]

really great that we can see these games. Thanks for your commentary /analysis, very much appreciated.

[@mightyquinn5135]

I have to say i was away from xhess for about 6 months and in that time it seems your analysis which was excellent has gotten even better

[@rockybhagat]

Beautiful maneuver in the centre... Loving Alpha's tactics against stockfish... you are right, future is bright for chess 👍

[@vrebds2484]

14:29 you can even blunder, blunder , mate in 1❓❓#️⃣ *Always my style to get checkmate* 😎😎😎

[@sevendayoptions6704]

wow! that is crazy!!! mind blown, think i replayed that c7 move like 10 times. Beautiful game, one of my favorites thus far.

[@LotusPeddler93]

You do a really great job reviewing the games. I'm glad I found you.

[@kulkidspin7691]

yay Finally we have the Evan's gambit on board !

[@thetntsheep4075]

12:08 "And it will be a very nice draw." Perfect 😁

[@samirm]

learning so much from alpha. loving these videos!

[@dominicdo2719]

The foresight of that rook to c7 move is brilliant. On the surface it seems like a harmless repositioning of the rook, but after a few moves and the exchange of the queens, it becomes a positional monster. It's beautiful

[@m.peroneus4853]

Commenting about a 20 minute long video after just 10 minutes. Watching level: AlphaZero

[@elevengiant]

USE 2X SPEED

[@m.peroneus4853]

@@elevengiant thats something Stockfish would do

[@elirome6978]

In some videos, like in this one, the only info in the info corner is stating that the respective corner is the info corner

[@Eric-xt3os]

When you mentioned some unusual move, I immediately considered e5. That's a very common thematic pawn sac against the benoni and the like. f5 alone leaves black a gaping hole for counter play, e5 forces black to plug the hole and usually with white's e4 control, black is going to have to give back the pawn to create counter-play (like Stockfish eventually did)

[@andres8bg247]

really enjoyed this one.tnx a lot for sharing and analyzing :)

[@yonigolombek3335]

Ahhh it's so satisfying to hear in that position stockfish resigned the game

[@dyBBelyBTASTIC]

1.) Go to 11:35 2.) Close your eyes 3.) Imagine Agadmator doing a impression of kermit the frog, doing a chess video 4.) Unpause the video 5.) ... Enjoy :DD

[@philipr1567]

I closed my eyes and imagined Kermit analysing a chess game between Beaker and Animal. How long will it take before I can get that idea out of my head?

[@rmendeljacobs2832]

I hate you lol

[@ClearReception]

It's not easy being blacks queen.

[@abdellahoummohamedhoussem3820]

hhhhhhhhhh 😂😂😂😂😂😂😝😝😝

[@philipr1567]

@@ClearReception - brilliant! Also (courtesy of Kermit's little nephew Robin - original by A A Milne): Half way up the squares is the square where I sit

[@relaxwithmeandtakesomtea8262]

Great vid mate

[@julianrodela4424]

glad to see you feeling better agadmator!!

[@moonboy5851]

Please do all the games!! AlphaZero is amazing, this is a new paradigm for chess. Question - is A0 getting better with every game? Or is it at its peak?

[@level8695]

-> Chess has a bright future -> Humanity does not

[@minsungkim6792]

The first step is amazon fire :(

[@hmmodi9052]

this aged well

[@uberneanderthal]

actually AI and nanotechnology could be used to manipulate our biology on a molecular level, unlocking potential that could far outstrip anything in the world of machinery. humans building machines superior to humans, so that machines can build humans superior to machines.

[@rohangeorge712]

@@uberneanderthal :00000

[@adolfhipsteryolocaust3443]

@@uberneanderthal probably not, if you'd ever worked with it you'd know those things are extremly unreliable, they woud bess you up more times than not,

[@JollyRogerTheDodger]

Love the video title! Love from.....London!

[@dennisdonnelly4440]

This was a great game! Both of those moves you highlighted were spectacular!

[@ekarin7778]

They installed tal spirit into alpha zero.

[@bobbwc7011]

Actually no. Alpha0 plays as if they made a copy of Garri Kasparow and gave Garri unlimited calculation power. Tal was positionally often unsound but his opponents couldn't find counterplay at the board. Kasparow was the most dynamic player and the most crushing in complex dynamic positions, while actually being positionally supersound and often demonstrating an amazing understanding of those sharp lines any other player tried to avoid. That's why it was so surprising and kind of silly that he lost against Kramnik in 2000. Instead of playing to win the match no matter what, he started a theoretical dispute on the board over the Berlin defense ...as if this was an endless match versus Karpow from the 80s. He wanted to be right yet again and break the Berlin defense by going with his head through the wall. Kramnik said he hoped for this psychological momentum vs. Kasparow because it was the only way to win. And he pulled it off, despite Kasparow being the stronger player and remaining the stronger player after 2000.

[@uberneanderthal]

the rook c7 move was preparing for a position 13 moves ahead. against a ~3400 elo opponent. incredible.

[@Sunil-zd4iv]

You seek brilliant jewels & this one has a golden setting of imaginative richness & extravaganza!! Thanks!!

[@Orion-zq8jf]

Very human\blitz looking pawn moves there.. just to break open the center.. amazing the depth behind those moves.. great game and win by AZ

[@kamon9339]

When you say "Stockfish immadiately captures" i imagine a fish playing against a brain, and the fish just blitzes out a move

[@sungod9797]

I found 4 moves in a row by Alpha, including Rc7 It made me happy

[@yogi30051972]

ur a god

[@ritikbhimkar4122]

Don't lie, rook to c7 is not possible to find for human

[@sungod9797]

@@ritikbhimkar4122 It is if you’re lucky

[@rohangeorge712]

@@sungod9797 fax bro, i mean u can find it and dhope u are right

[@irlporygon-z6929]

9:26 Yeah black's bishop is hanging but just pushing b3 defends. Stockfish seems to think both that continuation and bishop b3 are equal (equally bad that is, white has like +1.2 or something in both of them) just because black's position is worse here, i don't see any major reason why it has much to do with whether black pushes a3 or tries bishop b3. Wouldn't be surprised if I'm missing something though but stockfish also doesn't seem to find a huge problem with pushing b3 either in the following move.

[@DeadFishFactory]

I remember hearing that the 6 games that Alpha Zero lost, it's because humans forced it to play openings that humans would play.

[@guepardo.1]

Not true. The main 1000-game match where AlphaZero lost 6 games was played without opening books. Further matches were played with different kinds of opening configurations (human openings, TCEC openings and Stockfish with book versus AlphaZero with no book). In those matches, AlphaZero won by similar or slightly lower margins and also lost a few games.

[@MichaelWBauer]

@Time Warp this isn't really how an AI like alpha zero learns. The entire idea behind neural network based approaches to machine learning is that the resulting network will generalize onto the entire distribution of data, even when only trained on a small subset of the distribution. Alpha knows enough about strategy to understand how to play, even when it's never seen the exact state of the board before. What you're describing is actually way more similar to how a chess engine would learn. Basic engines work by just creating a type of decision tree and assigning a score to each branch based on some heuristic.

[@MichaelWBauer]

@Time Warp no not really. It's slightly more complicated than what I am describing, but essentially the purpose of neural network machine learning is to train the network to recognize complex patterns in some data set (all of the games that alpha zero played while training) while at the same time making sure that the algorithm can still make relevant predictions in more generalized scenarios. If AZ could only succeed on states it has already seen, it would not be successful in any chess game against a human or stockfish (this is what would be called overfitting: the AI is only good on the specific data it has already seen). It's easy to understand this intuitively, because most chess games reach a point where that exact state has never before been seen, yet AZ still will win the vast majority of those states against any human.

[@PeterPan-uf9or]

The 6 games alpha lost were because they run the current version of stockfish on the same hardware as alpha. After losing 6 games google thought it would be bad PR if alpha loses even more games so they decided to use an old version of stockfish and let it run on a cheap pc while alpha runs on a supercomputer, and voila alpha won all the other games.. alpha is practically the Tal Baron of computerchess, only winning if cheating

[@billmy2251]

@@PeterPan-uf9or why do I choose tal baron when there are thousands of cheaters and dozens of GMs cought cheating. Also I would rather call a cheater to someone who cheats in real life tournament than in some online match

[@OriginalAimbot]

What's up with Google providing all the content creaters with alpha zero games? Whats the idea here?

[@AstralS7orm]

Marketing, d'oh. They probably want to sell DeepMind's thingamabob for some other purpose, such as machine translation or phone calls.

[@madgick3]

Publicity for sure. But I'm sure they're also quite proud of their work and what it's producing. I'd be desperate to share them if I worked there

[@yuza1032]

A big part of research is getting financial and public support to keep doing what they do, and hopefully sell it. Lot of potential for this technology, Chess and Go are just one of the many areas that have benefited from it and the perfect place to showcase it.

[@worldsbiggestjosh]

These games have really been a treat. The primary themes seem to be stifling development, opening files and diagonals, and cutting pieces out of the game.

[@jonathanrodrigues1796]

Esse Alphazero parece uma junção de dos melhores jogadores da história: sacrifícios de Tal, precisão de Fischer, aperta o adversário como Karpov, tem a frieza de Carlsen e faz tudo pela atividade das peças como Kasparov. Na minha opinião o melhor jogador de xadrez que pode existir! Cadê os Br?

[@loveless6384]

11:58 the Knight can still go out of harms way with g5. Black's rook still moves to protect the Knight. And then white Knight to e6. I don't understand the genius behind white rook from a7 to c7. Can anyone explain?

[@santiagorodriguez2940]

20 moves after Rc7, When the pawn comes to d7, the rook threatens Rc8 winning the black rook. Basically Rc7 gains a key tempo for free It also hits c5 but it's not like Alpha cares about grabbing pawns :)

[@manticore5525]

Its a waiting move.

[@doesntMetter1]

It truly says something when a chess engines take years of learning to make a Tal move for a win 😁

[@joufaxerxes7966]

Great idea for the video title. Tal's resurrection...sounds wonderful .

[@rohithegde1795]

Hey agadmator, it'll be awesome if you make a video on Chess theories, and how some needs to be broken (like alpha does) and how with theory one can develop the openings without even knowing openings much. Thank you.

[@RichardRennes]

Bring back smiley pillow please.

[@philipr1567]

I'm hoping Medo killed it.

[@NghiaTuanLe]

You can buy 10,000 smiley pillow and put them over your desktop and monitor

[@himanshusharma-lt3zg]

Good Better Best and then Antonio does the rest!!!!

[@CommissionerSleer]

Stockfish 8 on i5 given a couple of minutes to think: 7:18 Stockfish only looks deeply into 26.a3 but e5, f5 feature in most of the lines. 3 moves later, it takes half a minute before it begins to score Alpha Zero's line better. 12:20 Stockfish does find and prefer 35.Rc7 straight away.

[@vicentevazmarrone8362]

awesome video agad, you the best

[@Sol1taireTV]

"captures, captures"

[@julioandresgomez3201]

So, there are no interesting victories of Stockfish. Are there interesting ("creative") moves from Stockfish?

[@RandomPerson-yq1qk]

From what I have heard all victories of Stockfish come from Alpha being forced into a human opening so Stockfishes victories probably arent that much through great plays but because those openings are bad for Alphas Playstyle.

[@evgiz0r]

@@RandomPerson-yq1qk it still says something about not being a complete monster :)

[@RandomPerson-yq1qk]

@@evgiz0r Yeah Alpha Zero is not invincible in chess (yet) like it is in go where the only AI that can hold a candle are other AlphaGo AIs and where humans are just helpless against AlphaGo exactly because Go is so complicated that any not neural network AI has no chance and humans have an immnse disadvantage in processing power. Chess is much more close to being solved which makes conventional algorithms really strong, but again those games where A0 loses probably arent too eciting because it is probably more Alpha playing bad than Stockfish playing really good because these openings dont have those weaknesses with other engines. This seems to be a special weakness for A0 hich is great for DeepMind because that means that A0 can still improve by a lot in chess.

[@carrottoponcrak]

@@RandomPerson-yq1qk About half of the loses I've seen from AlphaZero came from it not wanting to accept a three-fold draw so it pushed on even with it then being in a worse position

[@RandomPerson-yq1qk]

@@carrottoponcrak Interesting. Is that from the current AlphaZero or from the old ones? I havent read the papers myself, but I have seen numerous comments stating that all losses came from the games where it had to do human openings. Maybe the evaluation/policy network is really inaccurate in those bord states because they are in the developed early game and therefor still quite complex and the neural network has almost zero experience with them because it discarded them quite quickly. This could mean that A0 thinks a board state to be much better than it really is which makes it logical to push for a win. Are those pushes still very early? Because a push that puts you into a worse position (in terms of material for example) can increase winning percentage and in difference to stockfishes programming A0s evaluation network is only predicting winning probabilities of a board state. maybe what I am speculating here is compltely false. No matter what the reason is I highly expect DeepMind to find that out and try to improve on that. There was a similar problem in AlphaGo Lee where it misjudged boardstates for many turns and therefore made really bad moves.

[@jaimeduncan6167]

It seems so simple, the way if finds counter play and opportunities.

[@TonyHigginsonVlog]

yeah, really enjoyed this!

[@davidereale1183]

Guys does someone know where to watch the london chess classic?

[@jmo235]

Commenting just to also get the answer

[@rebeccasmith4182]

Chess24 chess24.com/en/watch/live-tournaments/london-chess-classic-2018/1/1/1

[@yasir5422]

prolly in london

[@WildThoughtsAI]

I want to see alphazero vs alphazero. Hopefully the world doesnt end by there game

[@AboudSafar]

your wish came true

[@josephrejive4081]

It would be interesting if you could display stockfish's evaluation of the position after each move. I'm curious to see whether stockfish ever thinks it's better and just how fast it loses its advantage.

[@jestice75]

I agree with the "pleasant to the human eye" part. I watched some of the engine championship matches and many were not pleasant. Like 180 moves with 30 consecutive moves just constantly adjusting 2 or 3 different pieces slightly without 3 repeats. Those games were not pleasant to the human eye.

[@williamcarr1770]

I liked the video, but I have to nitpick: you never really explained why Rc7 was such a good move -- even with the white rook on a7, ..Re8 could be met by Ng5, Rd8, Ne6, Re8, Nf4 etc. -- Im not sure if the point was strictly so that after Nf4 Ne5 d7 Rd8 can be met with Rc8 (which obviously if the rook was still on a7, it wouldn't be able to play Rc8) or if there was some other move/line that AlphaZero was actually parrying? It just wasn't very clear what exactly the point of Rc7 was from the video since you made it seem like Ng5 wouldn't be possible with the white rook on a7, but clearly it was still possible. Also, given how forcing all of these moves were, I could actually see any number of good grandmasters finding Rc7 pretty easily -- just my two cents.

[@gregorhunziker7731]

Yeah I too want to know:) I think bc of Nxc5

[@nickmoore3303]

Same, please explain :)

[@petermanning5501]

13:44... although he didn't stress the point at this juncture, but emphasized it at 13:57

[@jakeoandasan1304]

I think the Rc7 move prevents the black knight on d7 from ever moving because it's kinda stuck on guarding the c5 pawn, as well as the black rook it's stuck on guarding the black knight, and because of those the white knight can freely capture the black pawn on the king's side.

[@donny121able]

Watching alphazero suffocate his opponent whilst expanding positioning is genius. When will Stockfish realise if Alphazero feeds him a pawn it's a trap... Many thanks for your time in analysing and presenting these amazing games...

[@SirWilliamification]

This new merchandise is so nice! Keep that style!

[@dokterdroxy]

Really beautiful, spectacular game play!!!

[@sreepravan7846]

so alpha zero also watches agadmator huh??

[@yiuqwfj]

@12:20 Instead of asking us to pause the video, he explains like for 20 seconds that he doesn't want to waste time?! 😂

[@vishnuvenkatesh7592]

I'm looking forward to the next generation of human chess that will follow this. It's really exciting. Thanks for sharing this Antonio!

[@JustForComments666]

I really like these A0 vs Stockfish games. What I'd love to see is a A0 vs A0 game

[@lakinther7183]

Last!

[@firhanstyle8271]

HELLO EVERYONE!

[@rilum97]

HELLO EVERYONE! HELLO FIRHAN STYLE!

[@Vivungisport]

Hello hello😊

[@damnruskie]

thank you for providing the info corner :)

[@richardsleep2045]

Fascinating as always. When is AlphaZ going to play the Evans gambit? I know I would!

[@TheHigherSpace]

The stockfish win against the french defense was spectacular come on ...

[@carrottoponcrak]

It was a janky french lol. White had too much

[@hugoyee8857]

great video, like always it seems !

[@artlover9999]

Need more games with Alpha Zero! Thanks.

[@georgecalaunan2497]

that's how a Tal move to brighten up my day.. thanks Agad.

[@jonathanlindsey463]

Kings Indian Defense Saemisch variation is what i love to play.. it gets crazy like this... Tal, Fischer, Morphy would all be proud

[@scottalbers2518]

This is really a great channel.

[@seasideman]

An astonishingly deep game. the times really are a-changing.

[@ivarkristoffersson3282]

Magnificent!! Yes, Chess has a bright future!!

[@gustafmarcus3898]

Simply amazing.

[@prodigyx1089]

Mr. Agadmator what engine do you use? Im interested. I use stockfish to analyze my games.

[@akmd114379]

Incredible! So that lateral rook move was just so the passed e pawn can defend it after all those exchanges.

[@AleX065470]

i run it on stockfish 15 and i was amazed! I read everywhere the new stockfish would destroy the old alphazero, and with the advancing of computing and programming i thought it makes sense. Actually even the most recent stockfish is still blind about that pawn move. By the way would someone explain me how rook to c2 changed anything? in the previous position with the rook on c7 the knight apparently could still simply jump to f4 but instead the rooks would just take the knights according to Agad. Why is that?

[@_Fury]

Did they play these positions from opposite sides at some point? Alpha with the King’s Indian and Stockfish with white? Would be interesting to see what Alpha recommends in the defensive moves leading up to the Tal Pawn sac.

[@TheMg49]

Beautiful game. Thanks! Your question is a very tough one. It's almost certain, as you mention, that these chess programs/engines will improve human play. However, imho humans will never be able to attain the calculational ability to effectively emulate the best chess programs/engines such as AlphaZero and Stockfish. But who knows what human chess will be like 50 years from now. Anyway, your videos are very enjoyable, and I hope you keep doing them.

[@kenhowes9951]

That e5 would be a Ken Howes move, too. That was my immediate reaction to the position. But could I have found the winning continuation? Probably not.

[@orientbeachbum8346]

My old old engine likes f5 at move 26. It's a slightly modified GNUChess 3.1. It's 2nd favorite move in that position is Ra1.

[@orientbeachbum8346]

Playing e5 manually, gnuchess plays dxe5 and should then choose f5 as the next white move.

[@orientbeachbum8346]

Here's a game listing from move 26 to the end, with gnuchess 3.1 playing both sides. Castled White false Black false TimeControl 1 Operator Time 1 White Clock 1426 Moves 27 Black Clock 1264 Moves 27 8 .R..rb.K 10 10 10 10 11 10 11 11 7 ...N..q. 10 10 10 10 10 3 12 11 6 ...Pp... 0 0 0 10 2 13 12 11 5 ..P....P 0 11 10 11 1 1 11 10 4 P.B....p 10 11 0 0 13 12 0 10 3 .....b.. 2 0 0 0 0 10 11 0 2 Pp....p. 1 0 10 11 10 10 0 10 1 ...r..k. 10 10 10 10 11 10 10 10 abcdefgh move score depth nodes time flags capture color f4f5 -75 8 17029486 25 0 b5c4 60 8 31102244 30 0 d2f4 -79 8 31312292 30 0 e8e5 81 8 76758181 73 0 a2a3 -81 8 67751849 59 0 b4a3 88 7 27588853 29 512 P White f5g6 -87 7 29259345 30 512 P Black e5e4 86 7 69537717 59 512 P White g6f7 954 6 32863497 34 640 P Black g8h8 -1017 7 44684152 29 0 g3e4 1139 7 67927564 41 512 R Black h6g7 -1140 7 84030220 45 0 e4f6 1226 7 46048077 31 512 N Black g7f6 -1230 7 91844924 57 512 N White e1e8 2495 6 16309281 18 0 h8g7 -3700 9 332245809 197 0 g5e6 4171 8 206056372 91 0 f6e6 -9983 7 9647897 4 576 N White f7f8b 9982 6 3147657 2 75 g7h7 -9982 1 50 0 64 d5e6 9982 3 144414 0 576 Q Black a3a2 -9982 2 254 0 192 f4f7 9996 2 23348 0 64 h7h8 -9997 1 1086 0 64 f7g7 -9999 1 33 0 576

[@sebastianrex6697]

Still loving here ❤️