Alt-Right Star Details NIGHTMARE Tradwife Experience

Right-winger Lauren Southern shared her horrifying experience with being a tradwife. Cenk Uygur and Ana Kasparian discuss on The Young Turks. Your Support is Crucial to the Show: tyt.com/team
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"Does promoting marriage and motherhood inevitably make women easy targets for subordinate status, increased vulnerability, and a return to second-class status? One of the very first columns I wrote at UnHerd, back in 2019, described how, for me, becoming a mum meant giving up on a great deal of the liberal ideology I’d embraced when younger - because it was impossible to square with the embodied reality of caring for a baby. A relatively conventional home life turned out to be much more fulfilling than the radical one I’d adopted with my progressive politics.
My accounts of questioning this individualistic ideology, and embracing marriage and motherhood have resonated with social conservatives. Most of these, it goes without saying, feel (as I do) that family life and women’s distinctive sexed realities should be better understood and valued in the public conversation. Some, though, take more hardline positions: that women should never work, for example, that we should always be submissive - or even that women’s right to vote should be repealed."
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240507__TB06Tradwife

[@crystalwalker4403]

If “Be careful what you wish for” was a person!

[@tacitus6384]

Having a shot-gun wedding because you slept around and married a guy you barely knew is not 'trad wife'. She slept with and married a terrible person and blames everyone else for the bad decision.

[@DoubleOhTheG]

Just like the saying goes: "play stupid games, win stupid prizes"

[@HxTurtle]

so very true! but those people from the left aren't smart enough to realize they mistakes even when it becomes pressingly obvious.

[@Betavey]

This is why women fought so hard to get away from being forced to live this life style. It puts you in a extremely vulnerable position for many forms of abuse

[@aeoligarlic4024]

I think traditional household and dynamics work for some people. The thing is, right wingers mistake traditional dynamics as women being fully submissive and dependant on a guy thus being in a risk of abuse

[@shinjishinjs6060]

Women had "equal" power in the sense that in the household their voice was more powerful than the husband. It was not that one sided as you think it was.

[@Canadiana_Invicta]

Its only a danger if you ignore red flags like Lauren Southern did. Just marry a non-abusive guy (most of them) and you won't have problems.

[@gingerthomas5758]

@betawyThis is factual. I'm 71 years old and my wife and I have a partnership. We raised our daughter to be strong. Her husband is smart enough to appreciate her strength. He's a good man, a veteran, the same as me. He doesn't need her silence so that he can be heard.

[@XaraK1]

That's why I always laugh about the whole desirable 50s housewife thing as if those women didn't usher in another wave of feminism coz they were miserable 😂

[@kayallen7603]

As an university-educated woman I find this TRAD BS disgusting. Now she is divorced while I have been married to the same man, after two kids, both of us having had a military career, now we are retired and still together. WE REMAIN IN LOVE. I was NEVER submissive. I RULE MY HOUSE as a WIFE SHOULD. This trad BS, is CONTRARY TO HISTORICAL TRUTH where hubby went off to war and his WIFE help the reins of his estate. Next time, learn before you marry.

[@carsi7282]

@@UnclePumblechook Typically, not always, women are much better at perception and social cues so that is why women were in charge of the house and society. The alpha females also always kept an eye on the future. They knew personalities, who was related, who were teh good providers and good matches. Women build societies, men provided for and to safety for them, and women care for the men. But there are always outliers. It's about ability to communicate, to adapt, humility and respect

[@warehousejo007]

@@carsi7282 a reasonable statement, but one that is not in line with emerging pre-dominant thinking. if it's not selfish or senseless, why are u bringing it up? 😢

[@ArlecchinoAKAFather]

Who knew being in a relationship with people that hate women would be bad

[@liliswenson6144]

I am 77 and grew up in thev1950s. Her view of a traditional wife is not what a traditional 1950s wife was like. Sounds like she married a guy with some personality and emotional problems. Traditional may have stayed home and not worked, but they RAN the household and were not as submissive as she imagines. The wife made the household rules.

[@encorefootball]

100%. Thank you for being honest

[@jahbloomie]

We’re the same age. Sounds like you have a healthy matrilinear history. Many of us aren’t as lucky. A lot depends on having good mental health yourself so you pick a worthy partner. Also, freedom to date and shop around.

[@Scops96]

You wanted to be treated like crap, you was treated like one. Marriage shouldn't be master-slave relationship, but two people going through life sharing both joy and pain together.

[@dayrohan]

If she listened to the women that lived that way… she wouldn’t be in this mess. There’s a reason, many women cringed at traditionalism.

[@ryanjones4877]

And all the people that think things were so much better in the past are simply advertising they know nothing of history.

[@shinjishinjs6060]

Or rather the situation is more complex and you were lied

[@almanediligence9505]

Stop the bullshit! Being a trad wife isn't the issue! ANY MAN can do the exact same thing to ANY WOMEN! So stop lying to yourself, period.

[@johnmiller7682]

The number one problem with the "trad" wife concept, is we don't live in the world any more. They only way for that to work would be to find a kind, compassionate, loving husband. But here's the catch, any husband who is those things, doesn't wan't a trad wife, he wants a partner, not a submissive. So all that leaves is the assholes.

[@TheStephaneAdam]

And look, we *never* lived in that world in the first place. Working class women have always worked, even if it was often part-time or informal work mending clothes or raising a few chickens. They're LARPING 50's dishwasher comercials.

[@mosamaster]

Born to an Indian family I was also a fool who wanted to keep traditional marriage values but ended up with a horrible human as a spouse. It happened in UK where I was treated like trash and me and my 3 year old kid was kicked out of the house with a divorce notice in the midst of the covid pandemic. It took me an year of counseling and therapy to get back to normal. Now I am a single parent . I am a man and not a woman. The victim of domestic abuse can be of any gender.

[@Jenifer_R_]

"Traditional marriage values" always favour the man. At least you considered your wife to be human.

[@RobertaTMS_]

You're the exception of the exception, I'm sorry.

[@Jenifer_R_]

@@RobertaTMS_ All we know is that he wanted a "traditional marriage" and she left him. Her side of the story is missing.

[@drumpfisidiot5021]

Now let's hear the woman's side....

[@plaidpanda]

​@@Jenifer_R_ Any woman who doesn't want to parent her own toddler pretty much tells me everything I need to know.

[@jasonmay6368]

Who would've have guessed a man with toxic right wing views would treat his wife like utter crap?

[@keksi6844]

She actually needs to marry believing Muslim man not some right winger.

[@larryc1616]

Typical conservative males. Never date nor marry a trumptard. Think about how your kids will be raised. A Trump rally will be their Disneyland

[@jl-io3vw]

@@keksi6844 She married a right winger and got everything she deserved. That's what happens when you marry the poorly educated.

[@TreyIM22]

​@@keksi6844Suuurrree

[@antclerfont8478]

No kidding

[@mgaus]

Here's a hot take: A toxic relationship can be progressive or traditional. The basis of values doesn't dictate the relationship's success or health

[@lacey892]

No but patriarchal values where women are considered 'lesser' create an inherent power imbalance and abusive behavior.

[@fatgrandmafinds]

She got exactly what she asked for when she decided to be a submissive wife, give up her job and give him all the power in every aspect of her life.

[@emptyemptiness8372]

She wanted a 1950s marriage and she got one.

[@SonicBoomC98]

Yeah I'm sure you're an expert on 50s marriages

[@DavidRichardson153]

​@@SonicBoomC98Well, seeing as how 1950s marriages more-or-less ended when Reagan created the no-fault divorce, which had the knock-on effect of DV and murder calls plummeting because women now had a much easier time getting out a 1950s marriage with their lives _and_ their freedom... I don't know, you tell us, assuming you want to assert that you know more about 1950s marriages.

[@larryc1616]

Bless her heart

[@SonicBoomC98]

@@DavidRichardson153 This is complete BS. No fault divorces did not cause a decrease in DV or homicides. And most of the people talking about how bad marriages were back then often aren't married or got married decades later. This idea of all the bad marriages back in the 50s is just a narrative that was pushed decades later

[@archelonprime]

@@SonicBoomC98 Is that how wanted to out yourself as another pathetic right winger no real defense of your fellow POSs? 🤡

[@dimxsk]

Okay Ana, Except she influenced likely thousands of young women to go through the same hell… And so she deserves zero credit.

[@LAinLA86]

Anna is the worst

[@dennisduncan7561]

And then realized how dumb she'd been and changed her views. Don't dump all over her. She's making amends.

[@pinkyfloyd7712]

Ana's the type to give credit to kids who are warned not to touch hot stoves, touch them anyway and learn the hard way and then cry about how they are suffering the consequences everyone warned them about

[@leilac6970]

Totally agree with you! Bad comparison! She didn't buy hazelnut creamer instead of vanilla creamer...she was abusive, racist, backwards and lied to tons of woman.... she's gotten enough attention from us. I want her to be forgotten, no more revenue from the people!🙄

[@Shogun1982]

"But I didn't think the leopard would eat MY face!?!?!" ~Lauren Southern 2024

[@whereaboutsunknown4370]

Everyone makes errors. She has the balls to admit she was wrong.

[@RemnantDiscipleLazzaro-Rev1217]

Just because she chose a man who violated the traditional role does not mean traditional roles are bad.

[@Nazi.Brains.0n.My.Hammer]

@@RemnantDiscipleLazzaro-Rev1217 Gods not real, and you commenting on every other comment to defend awful sexist roles, portrayed in your fairytale book, is pathetic. tell yourself whatever you want, then stfu.

[@delphi-moochymaker62]

She attracted a hard core right winger, then she was surprised he was a hard core right winger.

[@henrywestbrook9773]

While I realize she was only 22 when she married, I still can't believe she got to be 22 years old and actually believed that men could do no wrong. What planet did she live on?

[@larryc1616]

Reap what you sow deplorables!

[@stephenkennedy266]

Like all leftist are complete saints.

[@archelonprime]

@@stephenkennedy266 Spoken like a typical right winger attempting a straw-man because he KNOWS he has no real defense for the POSs on his side. 🤡

[@jl-io3vw]

@@stephenkennedy266 Saints compared to right wingers. Fact!

[@rmsavig2204]

Why do people think a 22 year old knows much?

[@5400bowen]

22 year old men are expected to “know much”. Excuses. These women snicker when family and friends warn them about an abusive man they are dating. But he’s SO SEXY!!!!! So tough and cool and masculine and self confident. It excites women sexually. It’s the Emperors New Clothes story all over. With women, nice guys finish last.

[@anonymousa-uy1hk]

Nah, no sympathy for her. That’s like feeling sorry for a person who just realized that punching someone in the face is wrong because they got hurt by someone else punching them in the face. She didn’t understand because she didn’t want to and she felt so secure about her life that she believed she would never be put in a position where she would have to understand the other side and what other people were possibly going through. I say toughsky shitsky, Lauren.

[@leilac6970]

Exactly!! She has no sympathy for other people.

[@twinklemagic024]

I grew up in the 70’s. I’m SHOCKED that she didn’t enjoy being objectified, patronized and subjected to misogynistic toxicity. It’s almost like “traditional values”, means that women and minorities are considered to be inferior, disposable servants… Who knew? 🤷‍♀️🤦‍♀️😊 Sorry, I can’t feel bad for someone who didn’t do her research…and then encouraged OTHER women to be in highly dangerous and abusive situations.

[@GabrielNicho]

Who knew that ignoring tons of red flags and marrying someone anti-social could lead to a bad marriage.....

[@derekrequiem4359]

Huh, so she became one of those divorced single moms that she previously hated so much. Karma, how I love you 😂😂😂

[@leilac6970]

🤣😂🤣😂

[@dawn-gk2tr]

He spotted a willing victim and , with her co-operation , tried the limits and found she had no boundaries so he kept pushing . I have no doubt that he finally got so bored that he stopped caring if he lost his slave . I married in 1966 and my husband used to say that any man who needed a submissive woman was a dead loser who had no sense of worth . He also was horrified to think of how " bloody boring " living with a " little woman " would be. Suited us both until death parted us.

[@williezar2231]

My mom used to say, "Be careful of what you wish for". Turn out she had a great point.

[@nedsantos1415]

Tell her to pull herself up from the bootstraps????? Not to be cold-hearted here, but what she essentially did was just the same thing the conservative chauvinists have been doing to the women who choose not to be someone's "tradwife" but to find their own worth and strength and to be independent.

[@nedsantos1415]

She deserves no sympathy until she apologizes to those who she berated and criticized when she espoused that toxic ideology.

[@JennieBanks]

This.

[@stickiedmin6508]

​@@nedsantos1415 Absolutely. If she can separate herself from that ideology and denounce the awful things she said and express a little bit of remorse for the harm she caused, then she deserves a second chance - not until. Nobody deserves to be treated the way that she was treated, obviously, but at the same time, nobody deserves to be forgiven _just_ because their own bad choices blew up in their faces.

[@RugbyPass81]

She hasn't changed though, have you watched her videos? Same hateful right wing crap that the likes of that toss-pot Gavin McInnes spouts. You know why she does it? Because it's more profitable than being progressive and trying to improve the world. Conservatives and other right wing knobheads are dumber, easier to dupe into believing and/or following a lead. That's why people like that twat Ben Shapiro (who can only handle university kids), Jordan 'word salad' Peterson, Alex Jones, Steven Crowder and so on do what they do. Take big paychecks off of the likes of the Koch brothers of fossil fuel and right wing fame, in return for spreading a certain kind of nastiness. But the people they spread it to are people who simply want their worldview confirmed, not challenged by open thinking and so on. Honestly, the right, they're dullards, dunces.

[@JCasR3]

Let’s remember… plenty of wives and mothers packed up and left their husbands and families back in the 1950’s too

[@humboldthammer]

Yep, and plenty of guys died from a hemlock or foxglove heart attack when they turned 66, too. "Divorce is a sin."

[@SonicBoomC98]

Right

[@scotiadragoon5974]

She didn’t spot the red flag of a guy wanting a tradwife. Don’t expect her to get any sudden clarity in any other aspect of her beliefs.

[@watermelonlover745]

She married an Asian guy.

[@jaynebarry5658]

If someone is so insecure they need you to submit, that is your first clue.

[@theprogressiveway]

Who’ve thunk becoming property of another would have bad consequences

[@patrickdavenport6254]

She asked for it, she got it. No tears from me.

[@breathnstop]

They isolate you then crush your spirit then dump you. Thats an insecure narcissist.

[@MFBloosh]

Welp, does anyone feel bad for her? What did she expect? She puts that energy out into the world, and she married a man who did exactly what she preached.

[@famalam943]

She married a fed who was reporting on her and he randomly left one day.

[@jamilieberman996]

Yep - living life like it’s pre women’s rights is surprisingly not ideal for women. Who’da’thought? People who think women should submit to their husbands forget that men were also admonished to care for their wives as they would their own bodies. Now I believe they should be equal - but if you’re going to claim that the Bible says women should submit to their husband so that’s the way it needs to be - they should also recognize a husband’s obligations too.

[@akmal94ibrahim]

Yep. The same goes for Islam. Sure it says that the wife should submit to the husband (as long as he doesn't ask you to do bad things) but it also says that it is the husband's responsibility to provide the family with shelter, food, safety, education, a loving environment, etc. A lot of this tradwife thing sounds like just the wife holding up her end of the bargain and the husband doing jack shit apart from giving food and a home.

[@SonicBoomC98]

But most men who are looking for a wife to submit aren't saying men shouldn't care for their wives and work together with them. This is just them finding an example of an extreme case

[@jamilieberman996]

@@SonicBoomC98 I really wish it were so. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. I’ve been a part of a religious cult when I was young that had expectations of women to submit. I became a teen mom. Very few men are kind, faithful, protective providers. I wanted nothing more than to be free to stay home and focus on raising my child, but I had to leave and work two jobs and put my child into childcare, which I didn’t want to have to do. Because most men abuse the position of dominance and lie, cheat, womanize and beat their wives. I’ve also researched my family history and my great grandmother and grandfather were Orthodox Jews. She never learned to read and he beat her - and that was just the way it was for most women back then. Pop out children till they died in childbirth- and then the men remarried a young woman and she popped out more children and so on and so on. Women were second class citizens with no rights, no opportunity for self determination and nowhere to go when they were abused. And that’s what religious extremists want us to go back to. I say hey-ell no!!

[@aeoligarlic4024]

They always conveniently leave out that last part

[@jesssss99610]

Cenk is 100% right here. Ana is comparing an honest mistake to someone espousing outright white supremacy and sexism. Kinda disturbing the way she feels the need to make excuses for that. You can say you’re glad she’s realized the error of her ways in one particular instance, while also acknowledging that shes said disgusting, racist and sexist things that she has not apologized for, and there’s no excuse for that.

[@chrlpolk]

“Crossed state lines” for a year was not an honest mistake.

[@StupidAnon-gn8ih]

@@chrlpolk You'd be surprised how often people repeat things for an extended period of time without checking their facts, because the sources they use make them believe they _have_ checked their facts. Like how a lot of people still believe Rittenhouse shot black people.

[@dalekrenegade2596]

​@@StupidAnon-gn8ih Yes he shot and killed black people that's just a fact

[@renzaluski1385]

* Talking about how women are yelled at if they express a differing opinion from a man and how that's bad * * The woman is yelled at & talked over & told that she's wrong as soon as she expresses a differing opinion from a man *

[@jingleball2427]

Lol Anna and Cenk are basically brother and sister at this point huh? 😅 Anna's "HOLD ON" hit like a sister

[@Stickyickyslapshot]

I came to the comments just to see if anyone else noticed that 🤣

[@bodhisattva2348]

I do not feel bad for this woman.

[@MsMelyjean]

But the damage is done. She has hours and hours of the toxic material. No one is going to see her apology or mea culpa.

[@bridgetveralidaine3761]

The only time a traditional dynamic works is if the woman **wants** to do it, not because it is some romanticised ideal, but because it is what she truly wants and is fulfilled by it, and understands that it is challenging and most of the time, a 24/7 chore.... and, more importantly.... it only works if the man is mature enough, has integrity, and doesn't just want a stay-at-home trophy wife, but understands that the role is just as demanding, stressful, and difficult as whatever corporate or blue-collar job he has. It only works if he wants to provide and is willing to sacrifice to do so and understands that he can clock out of work and relax for the rest of the evening. His wife, who has likely started her day before him.... will still be on the clock after he is in bed, especially if young children are present.

[@salaltschul3604]

Yes. Because both partners are communicating, meeting one another's needs and desires, and willing to be flexible. Everyone has to pull their own weight and work together, not essentially stop being a person. I wish more people, men especially, really understood that being a husband and father requires more than an ability to open a wallet. ANYONE can do that. Literally anyone could take that job out from under him, especially if this new dude treats her as a person lol.

[@MoonBeamsChild]

Give her credit for what? Realizing she was wrong? Are you serious? She got a taste of her own medicine. This is freaking karma!!! Nah... No credit!!!!

[@tacitus6384]

She didn't get a 'taste of her own medicine'. She slept with and married a guy within 4 months of meeting him, and he turned out to be emotionally abusive because he resented her for stunting his career with the Australian government. She made terrible decisions and blamed 'trad wife' ideology.

[@MoonBeamsChild]

@@tacitus6384 if that isn't getting a taste of her own medicine, I don't know what it is. She's been crapping on single mothers for years. Now she is one for following her own insane tradwife ideologies. 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@ICon-sy7go]

Good ole republicans they can’t let go of that slave life.

[@galacticwarlock2271]

It takes guts to come out like this. I 100% don't like her but she at least has more spine than any republican senator.

[@user-zl3wo1ux2t]

This is not Trad, its abuse.

[@kevindavis9095]

Apparently, she is still as self-centered and narcissistic as ever. She spoke only about herself and her life. Not a word of apology to the countless other women out there whose lives are ruined because they believed and followed her advice.

[@jl-io3vw]

Great point!

[@antclerfont8478]

What an era.... It really is sad..

[@Krise343]

How can someone be so incredibly uninformed and naive in 2024?

[@LostChildOfTime]

Some right wingers in America try to live in the 1950s in isolation.

[@jl-io3vw]

@@LostChildOfTime Unfortunately they are pushing their evangelical views on the rest of us.

[@DrejaAndi]

Turn on a TV and you'll understand. It's not just rightwingers either, we're inundated with ignorance, propaganda, and selfishness.

[@josephgreear5789]

You can be brainwashed by your old assed family. She’s in her early 20s right?

[@paulaj.7685]

She deserves no sympathy

[@johnm84]

Exactly. She deserves no sympathy at all.

[@Anonymous-sb9rr]

Getting married at 22 is normal, always being submissive is not.

[@josesarango3408]

Lauren has always been a narcisist, she hasn't changed

[@Ryan-093]

she seems neurodivergent for sure, but idk if it's NPD.

[@NotInMYName_AntiZionistJew]

@@Ryan-093 What? Do you even know what that term means? Neurodivergence has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with narcissism. Neurodivergence can mean ADHD, dyslexia and any other type of learning disabilities, or autism. It just means that your brain is wired differently than neurotypical people.

[@Ryan-093]

@@NotInMYName_AntiZionistJew yes and NPD and BPD and such things are also part of neurodiversity too. idk what lauren has.

[@NotInMYName_AntiZionistJew]

@@Ryan-093 NPD and BPD are part of Cluster B personality disorders as is Antisocial personality disorder. Neurodivergence otoh is neurologically based. Sure being neurodivergent doesn’t exclude you from having a cluster B personality disorder or vice-versa but they aren’t the same condition. Neurotypicals can also have a Cluster B personality disorder as well.

[@mdaddy775]

No sympathy for the devil.

[@jahbloomie]

No enemies

[@mdaddy775]

@@jahbloomie She's not an enemy, but I don't have sympathy for her

[@jahbloomie]

@@mdaddy775 I have loads of it because she's me at a younger age. When the adults in your life put you in a mold you grow into an unnatural shape, just like a square melon. Very few of us have the opportunity to escape. Who's the devil here? Real victims are rare, but children raised in high control groups are. If not sympathy, could you find a spark of compassion?

[@mdaddy775]

@@jahbloomie It's not her anti-feminist views, I have compassion for that and for you. It's the fact that Lauren relentlessly vilified and campaigned against Muslims and people of color for years and years.

[@jahbloomie]

And thus you can see the cognitive dissonance for women in the Bible-believing quarter of our population. You either please the people who love you and raised you or with whom you have children or you break away and speak out. There is no safe harbor for figuring out what healthy choices might look like. The human brain matures at about the age of 25. She's still a child. What could a woman in this situation do differently to earn any shred of a humane response from you?

[@shaniasmith284]

When I was a young girl who still believed, it was THIS bs about being submissive that made me question my church. After that I started actually looking into the bible and I was appalled by how churches glorify a book with such heinous acts. Change only happens when change is less painful than the norm. I didn't question my faith until I was made uncomfortable. Now as an adult atheist I literally cry over the BS I put myself through. Thankful I got out.

[@shushuwu]

Lay your self down like a rug, don’t be surprised you get walked on!

[@Mouse_007]

Smartest comment on this video, should be pinned to top of page.

[@FDR_progressive_liberal]

Any guy who wants a wife like that will be a lousy husband.

[@NotInMYName_AntiZionistJew]

💯

[@kenmvilla]

Why is Ana all over the place in recent years? Cenk was trying to say hes not sure shes reformed her terrible views, and Ana is like "its inappropriate for me to go after her for her bad views, but i dont know that her specific beliefs have changed." She seems to be going out of her way lately to defend or not criticize bad behavior

[@noprogressionisregression6854]

I don't disagree. Whie I haven't heard her say anything that has personally really bothered me, I feel like there is something going on with her and she's not really being upfront about it. Maybe she's just confused within herself. But when you work for a very progressive news outlet, you kind of need to have that s*** together

[@kenmvilla]

@noprogressionisregression6854 she seems like she is no longer willing to hold conservatives feet to the fire for their toxic ideas in certain instances. Where before she used to say "no cookies for your now she likes to sit the fence. I get it, you have to understand where they're coming from, but I'm more like Cenk in that aspect. Show me you are an ally and I will treat you like one. Simply saying woe is me I am finally a victim of my own viewpoints isn't enough for me

[@Tmack034]

There's a clear pattern of "people" she goes out of her way to defend. (see her updated video on the victoria secret Karen)

[@ouyekiltipuehtesra]

She is having some humility after recognizing in other SOME of the behaviours she did herself. She's obviously reflected and been hard on herself over her journalism mistakes and is more sensitive to recognizing this in other circumstances.

[@PallasAthenian]

Hey Cenk, let Ana talk, man. Dont be that guy. Because in this video, you were that guy.

[@Pilafian]

It’s frustrating that cenk keeps talking over Ana! Especially on the is topic that is about WOMEN, where Ana has lived experience, thus more expertise, thus I’d like to hear her take on it.

[@ldy2hzlft1111]

I use to judge women who stayed with abusive men.Then I was in one.I stopped judging women who stay.

[@Katsnacks]

I’m pretty sure she had some Nazi ideology before she got married sooo am I still supposed to feel sorry for her even though she’s may be extremely racist

[@DrejaAndi]

It depends on what you mean by "judging" them. If you recognize that it is harmful to them, their children, and many other people in their lives, that's not so much judging as it is an accurate assessment of the situation. If you recognize they have problems with self-respect, boundaries, standing up for themselves, it's not judging, it's a description of what they are doing and why they aren't getting out. I used to think it was always wrong to "judge" until I recognized that judgment also means, by definition, the ability to make considered decisions or come to sensible conclusions.

[@NotInMYName_AntiZionistJew]

@@DrejaAndi It sounds like she did the right thing and got out, many abuse survivors aren’t that lucky.

[@willedelman7960]

@@NotInMYName_AntiZionistJew She got out according to her because her husband initiated the divorce and received custody of her child. She didn't publicly complain about his treatment until the marriage was over.

[@DrejaAndi]

@@NotInMYName_AntiZionistJew It sounds more like she was kicked out than got out. He left her. So it wasn't her decision that set her free. Now she's back on social media trying to make money from a new image. Time will tell if she's given up defending white supremacists and extreme rightwingers. Maybe she should try to go into a profession that actually helps people instead of trying to sell an image. But yes, things could have turned out much worse for her if they were still together.

[@themetatruthengineer1442]

I tried the trad wife life, and I was abused. And while I am not a fan of Lauren southern, she at least stands up about the dark reality of being a trad mom. It sounds good, but it can go to hell really quickly.

[@jrch5563]

Some people have to learn the hard way. It sounds like HE had a WHOLE LOT OF ISSUES.

[@Mitu918]

I am a traditional wife with a traditional husband. When we got married, I wanted to be at home and he wanted to work. However, we live in NYC, one of the most expensive city in the world, so we both had to work to survive. Husband and wife are a unit. You change as your environment changes. You deal with life as life goes on. From a traditional wife, I had to become a working wife and a working mom. From a traditional husband, he had to become a working house husband and a working dad. Life does not have written-in-stone type things. You change as your situation changes. A traditional husband and wife do everything in their power to keep the unit going. The unit needs love, respect, and mutual goals to work toward.

[@RugbyPass81]

Singapore is the most expensive city in the world, closely followed by Zurich. It's searchable but I know personally that this is the case. Ask me how I know? Us Brits are an awfully well traveled bunch, I've worked in both in investments (high level short and long term), lived in both cities, as well as NYC and Texas for a time, and the cost to live in both Singapore and Zurich will make a New Yorker's eyes water and their wallet melt. I'm originally from Chelsea Kensington, London, where an average apartment goes for £2,000,000 (about $3,200,000 of your US dollars) and it certainly made my eyes water. I was glad to get back to NYC, London, Paris and other places where it's nice, but definitely cheaper.

[@ryanjones4877]

Sorry honey, a union of equals is not a traditional marriage in any sense of the term

[@RugbyPass81]

@@ryanjones4877 Only according to religious bigots and their little books of hate 😁

[@Mitu918]

@@RugbyPass81 one of the most expensive...

[@Mitu918]

@@RugbyPass81 In queens, more affordable housing goes for 1.5mil. Manhattan, obiousely you know the price it get raise up to. Most killer in NYC is unaffordable health insurance. If you break a bone, you would lose your house to pay off emergency bills. NYC is unaffordable, not because of the price of the house, because of cost of medical care expenses. New Yorkers do not go to emergency or call for ambulance unless they are close to dying. and if anyone has cancer, Fuhgeddaboudit

[@bonbonvegabon]

I'm glad that she finally came to her senses about her husband. Now hopefully she can become less racist!

[@aeoligarlic4024]

I bet the republicans and right wing grifters are trying so hard to bury her story

[@user-jz7hm2gy8x]

better single and happy than a married and a physical and a psychological punching bag.

[@SailorSlay]

Don’t feel sorry for her at all

[@richardmasten3508]

Convenient or fortunate that she got married in a country where divorce is legal. If you really want the "tradwife experience" get married in a country like Afghanistan.

[@kpepperl319]

I chose to be home and be a full time mom because it's actually cheaper than paying someone to look after our kids. Not once did my husband treats me like trash, and constantly ensuring me that i was a very important part of our relationship... Always the make sure to ask for my inputs. That's true love, true partnership.

[@theindigopapillon3495]

Making the decision because financially it works out best is very different than making the decision because your husband believes women should be submissive. Two vastly different mentalities.

[@Vladimiros82]

Then again, you didn't romanticize and fantasize about being treated like trash, like Lauren did

[@AG-xk6sq]

I’m glad she raised her voice at him and told him to hold on because it’s annoying when men interrupt and talk over us.

[@haldareu]

I cheered when she yelled at him for interrupting her. Let us finish what we’re saying!!!!!

[@Eagle-rv3iy]

It's almost like people have no idea wtf they are doing in their early 20s... maybe she shouldn't been given a spotlight as an influencer with 0 life experience

[@aleinstein3223]

Don't take advice from a 20 year old. They haven't experienced life yet.

[@MrDeplorable-sw9cz]

Or a leftist, they voted for the worst president in 70 years.

[@ryanjones4877]

@@MrDeplorable-sw9cz leftists didn't vote for trump

[@feelthesun136]

she escaped a abusive relationship - very brave and strong of her.

[@dawn-gk2tr]

No. He leftvher . A sh...thead but he probably got bored to death.

[@johnm84]

​@@dawn-gk2tr No wonder he left her. He is an asshole but so is she. She is an even bigger asshole.

[@deem7478]

TradWife is "wife cosplay." 1950s dresses, pearl chokers, red lipstick, high heels. It's dress-up play. Real married couples both red and blue don't play this game.

[@richardprice5978]

TradWife is "wife cosplay." 1950s dresses, pearl chokers, red lipstick, high heels. It's dress-up play. Real married couples both red and blue don't play this game. no parts of my family and they make it work for them and monogamous, not for me im queer 🏳‍🌈😉 , 🤠 👰🤠👰 /bi-triad/cube, so my ideal is a hybrid, yes some of the "cosplaying is there like/ie 👗👠and 🧥+👢is ( look i didn't get married to Buch/or/bare 😉 way to much macho/gayness/stubbornness-etc for me 👨🏻‍💼👨🏻‍💼👨🏻‍💼=pass ) there and default part-time/no-expectation's of work outside of homemaker for marriage-matriarchal-due's ( flip for dad-due's as im trying to keep comment shorter ) as kids need stability's-etc, but if home-choir's are done them yes outside resources ( and or fun-time, like cruise 🚢ing ) are welcome as long as it doesn't degrade the union/marriage/others members careers my grandma's both wore dresses/tom-boy+hateful-to-motherhooding ( her husband and WW2-1980~ at first as i understanding sucked as husband/fatherhood roles but tried to make up for it as a grampa/elder-years 17yo-him-her15~yo/1940 to 1995/RIP grandma vet=2014~RIP ) one being into it less in motherhood/20's but changed later on you almost described my grandma-mom's side add in marge/simsom's hair and the newsroom azzy's/rettia adutuded aka outside-family she's known for being judgmental+grumpy etc, but you can see at least for me/90's/50th' she really loved ( yes high school sweetheart's/marriage under 20 year's old ) my grandfather/her-husband , and loved living as a wealthy* socialite-type's for parenting and time vs $$ someone needs to become default ( socialism or neo capitalism, like uk's 🇬🇧 parliament-works* ) and or default leadership/role's so there's value in learning experience from my family and my close friends parents, thanks Rex 😉 i tried the voting everyday but wow is it a mess+tiring, there's a reason why USSR ~1890-1950~ ( Adam's capitalism also has this problem ) community started to resemble/1980~ fashion/dictators types of leadership

[@franklingoodwin]

So one of her grifts backfired? Good

[@TheJevardo]

Look, being a traditional wife could work… but the husband has to earn enough, they have to be kind, gentle, and empathetic towards their wife, and attentive to his children. You know, like a traditional man. Unfortunately those men are rarer than gold, especially these days, so women have to have a recourse: the ability to file for divorce, work a job for extra income, and ultimately the freedom to make a different choice if they need to.

[@consciouslyevolvingmen6832]

Karma…too bad she can’t undo all the harm she caused by trying to meddle and shame others into her toxic and unhealthy ideology.

[@mmhmmmyearight7183]

Just because her marriage sucked doesn’t mean it same for everyone

[@ryanjones4877]

@@mmhmmmyearight7183 her marriage sucking shows the importance of the rights that feminists have fought so long for. in a real "traditional marriage" it would be legal to beat her (look up where the phrase "rule of thumb" comes from) and to even rape her (spousal rape was legal until a disgustingly short time ago). thanks to feminists she lived in a world where it was illegal for her husband to beat and rape her, and allowed her to divorce her husband without first getting his permission.

[@joshuawilliams6153]

Does she not have access to the internet? Women fought to leave that lifestyle for a reason.

[@nicholasmills8843]

She's just the latest poster child for the whole "F**k around and find out thing." Now she's bitching about the consequences of her own actions. Zero sympathy.

[@franciscomeza8905]

And they wonder why many women are somewhat "decentering men."? SHM.

[@bonesneil]

I am sooo happy that Cenk made that point without Ana stopping him.

[@rainfoxhound8199]

If you really want the tradwife lifestyle move to Saudi Arabia, can have all the traditional family values there you want.

[@ericpleasant7225]

Just what do these female right-wingers and traditionalists expect? These so-called activists reap what they sew.

[@Free-Palestine]

As a Muslim who has encountered outrageous assertions about Islam and Muslims from her, I've never harbored any resentment towards her, and I still don't. Whether she revises her opinions on Islam and Muslims or not, she still has the right to be wrong, we all do. As for her marriage, not my business.

[@willedelman7960]

It is okay if you feel that way. But she made her marriage other people's business by publicly broadcasting it.

[@Free-Palestine]

@@willedelman7960 Agreed. Not something I would ever contemplate doing, personally.

[@Estherbethe1...]

Christians who go after other Faith's conveniently forget their own history... And the majority don't even read their own bible. It's the same god of Abraham and who is anyone to say how gods servants should serve him. Each will give an account.

[@proudatheist.3565]

Zero sympathy for her.

[@faye_2]

To publicly announce, that you were wrong (espacially after you paraded so strongly for your previous point) is something only few people are capable of.

[@dyodoleu]

Because she knows people outside the right wing spectrum are a LOT more forgiving, especially when someone falls victim. Like I despise Kaitlyn Jenner but you won't ever catch me being transphobic cause it got nothing to do with her as a person.

[@beepbopboop7727]

Its only cause she lived in the woods and needed KZbin money.

[@ryanjones4877]

@@dyodoleu the left will hate someone for their actions while the right will hate someone for their identity

[@BorkDoggo]

These are the same people who say stuff like "You chose the wrong man, so it's still your fault!!"

[@lunabranwen]

She found out the hard way. Sadly

[@toxicsloth]

trad wife is just code for being a sentient sex doll. why would anyone aspire to a life of cook, clean, dress up, have sex every time he wants, and have no opinion other than his, just f'king baffles me.

[@Lagrangeify]

Willful stupidity. While most of us normal folk burn ourselves accidentally, some among us have to put their hands in fires to check we weren't lying when we told them it hurt.

[@medicinalplantsteacher]

"How the turn tables?" I wonder what kind of marks her husband received on the papers she wrote for him. Was it Trump University?

[@medicinalplantsteacher]

@@UnclePumblechook Ah, I didn't know! I'm not much of watcher tv. ; - ]

[@ryanjones4877]

fyi language evolves over time

[@medicinalplantsteacher]

@@ryanjones4877 absolutely but I had not heard that phrase flipped before

[@shuricartier4871]

I'm totally playing the world's tiniest violin 🎻 😂

[@alyssamoore3626]

Everyone should have backup plans and basic life skills. Everyone should have emergency savings and a support network. In the tradwife days, if the man died, left, or became unable to work, the wife had no idea about the finances, how to drive, how to get a job, etc. Never rely on another person for your life and wellbeing. Gender, beliefs, etc, are irrelevant here. Also, it's almost impossible in the current system to raise a family in any degree of comfort on one income

[@buicia1130]

She got herself a Harrison Butker.

[@johnst3296]

Awww. Couldn't have happened to a nicer person, what a shame....

[@Nora_I_am_nice]

Better to be alone or a single mother, than stuck with a toxic dude who wants you to live under his thumb. But it is unfortunate if you procreated with said loser and are passing his genes on

[@larryc1616]

Neanderthals hate and low IQ genes

[@nobodythenobody9779]

Being a single mom is child abuse

[@acausevic1]

Well who picked the said loser and spread her legs for the loser who made her a single mom? The single mother did so what does that make her then? You have no choice but to be single at that point because there isn’t a line of men waiting up to wire up a childless woman today yet alone a single mother.

[@Rine.4656]

Thoughts and prayers!

[@Annoyed.Dragon]

This is why the 1950's era is a thing of the past.

[@mikehunt7124]

No. This is why you don't marry Muslims, like Mrs Southern was warned not to do...and didn't listen. She went 'trad slave' as all women are in their culture. Congrats. Toll paid. She should have listened. Now, look at her.

[@KwonJasperet]

yeah forget cheap houses, cars, petrol, food etc.

[@Annoyed.Dragon]

@@KwonJasperet that has more to do with a Supreme Court ruling in the 1980s. Citizens united. Which basically legalized bribery within our campaigns. Prior to that we can visit the gilded age. In which workers gained the right to establish Union status and leadership fought to break up monopolies and create a more free market. That has nothing to do with trad wives and being submissive to your husband. But hey good point. Well done. 🙄

[@KwonJasperet]

@@Annoyed.Dragon Not really as this has happened in all western nations and the Supreme court obviously doesn't have any power over western europe, Australia, Canada or New Zealand. It's cute that you actually thought that you had the answer though.

[@Annoyed.Dragon]

@@KwonJasperet So you're telling me. That significant a ruling that changed how America runs its elections. Essentially allowing the rich and powerful, to gain control over Americas free market, has nothing to do with the rest of the world? So rolling back all of the things that helped withstand and sustain things like big oil corporate greed has no effect on other countries?

[@mactrek2]

Anna will always stand up for ⚪️ sisterhood, no matter how toxic.

[@BennyMedicinaLAC]

Unfortunately I agree.

[@alwillmu]

Never feel bad for terrible people

[@julianatorrez5146]

Sounds like a very young lady that choose to disregard the life lessions of the older women that came before her. When us older women try to break down the game so you wont get played, we are trying to save you years of your life that you cant get back....unfortunately she found out the hard way.

[@SunnyAquamarine2]

I've never heard of her. I didn't even know that trad meant "traditional" until a few days ago. I feel bad for everybody who is a woman right now. We've been screwed since the beginning of time, and it's only getting worse.

[@blunderbuss3114]

"Women have been getting screwed since the beginning of time." The things we learn on the internet.

[@annchristine47]

They should introduce a class on narcissism in college to educate young women because it is becoming very clear that half the world is made up of narcissists.Of course narcissists come in all forms in both sexes.

[@TheDesertRat31]

Setting aside her as a terrible person, based on how she hated everyone different than her. She was NOT in a "trad" marriage. She was in an abusive relationship. Period. She was 22. She was essentially a kid and chose to marry a douchebag. There is absolutely nothing traditional about that marriage.

[@chrlpolk]

And yet, there is nothing more traditional.

[@stephenspackman5573]

@@chrlpolk There are many traditions available. Choose wisely.

[@vikingsong2068]

Abusers don't advertise the fact they're abusive before the marriage. She didn't "choose" to marry an abuser. She didn't know he was abusive.

[@TheDesertRat31]

@vikingsong2068 I didn't say she chose an abuser. She was 22 and didn't know any better, and he surely came off as Mr awesome. Their marriage became abusive. What's bullshit is the dog pile that this is "typical trad marriage." No, this is typical of abusive relationships, and on the extreme end at that. He locked her out of the house and would just take off for extended periods, etc? That's a special kind of douchebag. None of that is traditional in any way, whatsoever. The only key feature of a "traditional " marriage would be the wife staying home as a homemaker. Even that is not an absolute. The idea of the repressive servitude overseen by the domineering husband is a laughably contrived hyperbolic archetype. This girl was in a shit relationship and has enough social media experience to know how to monetize her terrible marriage for an eager audience. Hee earlier content filled with racism, homophobia, and anti immigration diatribes, etc, just shows how well she knows how to craft a narrative.

[@immortalasirpa6006]

If someone demands you surrender your free agency as the price of their love and protection, walk away. They're not capable of either.

[@shinjishinjs6060]

Focusing on a family has nothing to do with losing your agency. Unless you also think any responsability means slavery, because you have to be able to do anything you want whenever you want.

[@ryanjones4877]

@@shinjishinjs6060 lol he's describing the mens side of "traditional marriages" without a hint of irony.

[@Akrucious]

They're reading a premade scripted statement on KZbin. Spent more time looking at the script than the camera lol. I can't take someone who doesn't even know what they want to say seriously. Influencers put more effort into their 10 second Tik Toks than she put into this

[@loriannrichardson7644]

Who is Ana yelling at? Just because she sees yourself in that ignorant, cocky, narcissist girl, doesn't mean ish. She's publicly admitting her poor judgement because she needs to make a living, so OF COURSE she had to explain why she's back online after disappearing.