What if North and South America Were Never Connected?

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The Americas are connected by a single strip of land. And outside of a canal, internationally it isnt thought much about. However this strip of land contributed to the very existence of the world we know about. And also, I want to talk about some paleontology.
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[@9786oof]

I thought that Chile was populated before North America? Or at least that’s what I learned in college

[@JarJimairid]

Video idea: what if Britain stayed neutral in ww1?

[@barraman.]

Epic collab! I love Trey

[@whatsuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu]

So we still getting that al gore video?

[@Quinold]

Could you actually cover the timeline for CyberPunk 2077? I know a lot of people that would love to watch something like that.

[@AtunSheiFilms]

Can I have the film rights to the Conquistadors fighting prehistoric monsters idea? I'll pay you five bucks.

[@PicklesRon5145]

Wait are conquistadors Rebel gang or Yankee gang

[@mikaelleonbriones6356]

Cody: have the copy rights Atun Shei: Creats Checkmate video where the Confederate turns into a Terror Bird and fights the Civil War soldier and the Witchfinder General

[@NSG_ONE]

It’s at 69 likes so I’m not gonna like it Edit:well that didn’t last long

[@abubnis4206]

Check mate, conquistorites

[@thomaseastmond7184]

I’m afraid to say it already has happened. Granted it wasn’t very big budget, but I recall a movie named along the lines of “Aztec T-Rex” or something.

[@sthenzel]

To ease the climate issue of that szenario: The bridge just didn´t raise high enough to allow human or animal migration, but just enough but to block substantial changes to ocean currents.

[@johnyricco1220]

It could be something like Rama’s Bridge that connects Sri Lanka with India. There’s land but it’s not walkable.

[@PremierCCGuyMMXVI]

Sounds reasonable

[@AxxLAfriku]

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[@melvinklark4088]

If it was like that then the place would likely become a land bridge during the ice age

[@dixiefish0173]

Maybe a group of islands then but no connection

[@buddermonger2000]

6:50 "I doubt humans would've developed the ability to cross the water into South America" *Immediately starts thinking of Oceania aboriginals, pacific islanders, and the Arawak and Caribe tribes of the Caribbean* You sure about that Cody?

[@leomarsala5905]

to be fair you could just say the first Few would fail bad enough it wouldnt be attempted again

[@chheinrich8486]

But still, this means the polyneasians would have reached south america in the 13th century and i doubt they would have made it across the andes before the soanish arrived

[@OnlyRodion]

@@chheinrich8486 how does the continents being seperate lend the polynesians the ability to sail and reach it tho? the continents were still there in our timelines, so I doubt anything changes.

[@Methus3lah]

@@OnlyRodion there is evidence to support the idea that some Polynesians reached South America before Europeans irl.

[@OnlyRodion]

@@Methus3lah never heard of it, can you link me a source? I'd love to read about that

[@Swuiddy0086]

In an alternate universe: "What if there was land that connected America and Parias?"

[@chrischandler889]

I would love to watch that to see how accurate they got it

[@lenira7750]

@@chrischandler889 yeah

[@darknation9424]

"It could be call Central Paria or Central America or something"

[@justarandomchannel1319]

@@darknation9424 it would be the american parias

[@Deneberus]

"America would be known now as South Paria."

[@mikastrae]

I'm convinced that AHH only made this video to justify talking about terror birds.

[@epauletshark3793]

They need to be talked about. They are awsome.

[@pedrovascodeoliveiraveriss6293]

And that's an Issue, how?

[@Zakatak-mf4iq]

Where's the lie tho

[@Dave_Sisson]

No big deal. New Zealand had them until about 500 years ago. But early human settlers wiped them out.

[@epauletshark3793]

@@Dave_Sisson are you talking about moa? The non predatory, emu looking bird?

[@seanw1186]

So basically in this universe the you’re going to Brazil meme is even funnier

[@housetheunstoppablessed4846]

Only with a lot more White People.

[@alexandre007opa]

@@housetheunstoppablessed4846 so basically a 2nd Australia

[@morningwoody4514]

@bernardo casanova Brazil is a shithole. Don’t try to deny it.

[@pumpkinthighs]

@@morningwoody4514 and I'll bring you to it

[@tucan9111]

@morning woody you're just proving the point, brazil is bad right now but the emphasising of misery by north americans just serves to strengthen their empire and destroy the moral of southerners.

[@Nickotron]

If that was actually how real life went down then I could see the Monster Hunter series being a nonfictional video game adaptation of the Conquistadors against the Land of Monsters

[@jacoblewis5230]

That would be cool to see.

[@ediodimacaroni]

Or a survival game

[@conradojavier7547]

Imagine an Alternate Universe PETA Attacking Capcom for a Franchise about killing & Eating These Innocent Giants.

[@DexFire1115]

We already have an array of terror birds in our arsenal. *Final Fantasy Kulu-Ya-Ku intensifies*

[@Kez_DXX]

Sadly the bus-sized Titanoboa snake went extinct millions of years before so it wouldn't be very impressive.

[@7sierraecho7]

So you're telling me, there would have been two "emu" wars

[@NascarFan-hi4et]

I wonder if the emus won both times

[@Robert399]

Oh shush. A failed pest control operation is not a war.

[@theflyingpenguin5270]

How dare you underestimate the power of emus

[@floatingf8783]

@@NascarFan-hi4et the Spanish would have won their war with the emus.

[@NascarFan-hi4et]

@@floatingf8783 how dare you underestimate the power of the emus

[@quentingivens4]

To say that the terror birds couldn't win is to forget Australia's emu wars. Never underestimate birb

[@anvos658]

You underestimate the desire for gold and silver. Let alone god demands the demon bird die is a stronger cause. Australia also had generations of being demoralized by how deadly the native wildlife was before they tried to fight back.

[@Robert399]

Oh shush. A failed pest control operation is not a war.

[@eduardcruceru9004]

@@Robert399 uou you realise how big the emu war was, right? Also the fact that the Australians got run off by birds when they had machine guns just shows how dangerous they were

[@Robert399]

@@eduardcruceru9004 Yes I do. 3 men, 1 jeep.

[@leomarsala5905]

@@Robert399 Dont Forget the aussies were doing very well later in the "war" it only ended due to the fact that it looked bad

[@frick_____you]

Conquistadors vs Terror Birds sounds like a Scifi-original movie.

[@ebomb1133]

I'm actually really invested in a movie like this. With decent writing, actors, and cgi I think it would be really interesting

[@bathamsteryt]

This reminds me of the thanos meme the reality is often disappointing but it's history is often disappointing

[@vladutcornel]

Sounds like Ark Survival Evolved to me.

[@dead2memes2oof85]

@@ebomb1133 So how’s that going?

[@Wi-Fi-El]

Tbh this alternate history could be a good historical fantasy novel. Back when the conquistadors were walking through Mexico, they still weren't sure exactly where they were or what was beyond them, and the men would not know what to expect

[@davididiart5934]

Alternate take: Polynesians, unhindered by a landmass, sail right through the Gap and colonize the Caribbean themselves.

[@bathamsteryt]

@@mann8557 I raise u another how about what if the go all the way around to the north pole and land in siberia and colonize Siberia before Russia does

[@wave1090]

Polynesians only arrived anywhere close to the americas around 1000 AD. By this time, the caribbean had already been peopled for millennia, by people coming from north america

[@davididiart5934]

@@wave1090 Then I guess we'd see how Polynesians deal with finding already populated islands.

[@davididiart5934]

@@bathamsteryt Raise you again. Polynesians colonize Greenland after the Viking colony fails.

[@bathamsteryt]

@@davididiart5934 raise u again the polynesians conquer the entire solar system

[@Restryouis]

"Animals can't beat humans" *Emu War Flashbacks*

[@Dave_Sisson]

The "Emu War" was fought by one officer, two soldiers, one machine gun and a truck, that's all the Australians committed to it. Perhaps the Spaniards in South America would commit a stronger force than that?

[@johnmorales6281]

@@Dave_Sisson well halberds and pikes would be more efficient

[@ervandrafadhlil403]

@@johnmorales6281 we didn't count the slim fact that the birds could become sentient

[@johnmorales6281]

@@ervandrafadhlil403 we're still talking about Spanish Conquistadors...

[@ervandrafadhlil403]

@@johnmorales6281 and we also talking about the terror birds

[@AcidTripOk]

"Big birds wouln't be a threat to men armed with pikes and guns" Australia: * sweats nervously *

[@legoleviathan6411]

**Emu war flashbacks**

[@shittin_on_the_job]

The Australians were only armed with guns, not pikes.

[@dalekrenegade2596]

Yeah, I think more megafauna would endure despite man's encroachment despite what Cody thinks just by the fact that this isn't a smallish island like New Zealand and what other people pointed out how durable emu's were to more recently made guns.

[@VK-jy3pi]

Australia hyperventilating.

[@ธนาเดชศุภนัทนพร]

Emu war

[@dwborgus]

Also, Lewis and Clark would never be sent to find the Northwest Passage, as there would already be a waterway between the Atlantic and the Pacific.

[@erraticonteuse]

No, Jefferson was still a major nerd who would want to know about the flora and fauna out west.

[@dalekrenegade2596]

And the I'll rated HMS Terror expedition wouldn't need to happen.

[@RedXlV]

@@erraticonteuse Yeah, it wouldn't be as important, but there would've still been an expedition to explore the west of the continent. Jefferson was hoping that there were still mammoths out there, for example. Sadly there weren't.

[@gamespotlive3673]

Lewis and Clark were trying to find the mouth of the Mississippi not the North-West Passage 🤦‍♂️

[@TheRenegade...]

Cody: "Let me explain" Trey the Explainer: "I'll explain" Cody: "I said LET me explain"

[@dreamdesk7258]

Why does no one know how to properly accentuate words

[@noah5664]

It was nice to hear Trey’s voice again. I’ve missed that guy

[@TREYtheExplainer]

I’ll be back soon ;) I’m so sorry for the long wait!

[@sirjamesgalway4534]

TREY the Explainer yayyyyyy come backkk treyyy

[@albram2247]

@@TREYtheExplainer Awesome! Love your videos, Trey

[@Blitzkrieg23]

xytan 'jar wattinree vs endgame thanos off-topic

[@nerdfighter2004]

@@TREYtheExplainer We'll be waiting

[@drskull.]

Wait wouldn't this lead to an actual viable traderoute to India? Technically in this timeline Columbus was right

[@carultch]

Columbus still would not have been correct, since he still grossly underestimated the size of the Earth. Had the Americas never existed, which was the current knowledge in his country at the time, he would've run out of supplies in the middle of the ocean. That was the reason for the Queen and her scientific advisors to disagree with his voyages. Having The Americas helps out tremendously, as it is a place to re-supply your ship while en route, once colonies are established within. Pre-1900's in our timeline, you had to go all the way around South America, with only a tiny shortcut formed by Magellan's strait, and there was almost no advantage to using the trade route proposed by Columbus. Had a naturally-navigable strait existed in the Caribbean across Central America in our timeline, it would've made it a viable trade route, with a huge advantage over Vasco De Gamma's trade route around South Africa.

[@jgr7487]

he'd be technically right, as an equatorial sea rout would be possible.

[@jonathanstensberg]

@@carultch Colombus was actually using the correct size of the earth, apart from failing to convert between Arabic and Roman miles. His primary problems were actually dramatically overestimating the size of Asia (nobody was too sure about this) and making some very optimistic assumptions there being islands even further east than Japan (pure wishful thinking). Miraculously, he actually found land more or less exactly where he proposed land should be! It just wasn't the land he thought it would be...

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

@@jonathanstensberg Hawaii island chain does not exist then? Not that he would have found it mind you.

[@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim]

@@GreenBlueWalkthrough It existed, just no one knew it was there.

[@Steven_Andreyechen]

Cody: What if The North and South were never connected? Atun-Shei films: Checkmate Lincolnites!

[@davidfernandes7109]

That was hilarious, I love that channel! 🤣

[@brodown64]

@@davidfernandes7109 Same

[@mikaelleonbriones6356]

That was hilarious I wonder how Andy is gonna react (better send him this) I love both channels and I dunno about you guys but I have to see that senario in which Franco and Hitler unite

[@letsburn00]

Best cutaway

[@looloowhiskey]

@@davidfernandes7109 I think it's one guy who dresses up

[@elprimojorge]

Alternate title: What if Central America never existed? I'm from Honduras, Central America, it's lovely seeing how impactful our little land bridge has been in world history. Also, linguistically speaking, here in Latin America, we consider both North and South America as one single continent, that's how it's taught in our schools, even though everyone else considers them separate land masses, in this timeline I guess we'd have no other option than to see them as separate entities.

[@sleepyboi8060]

Yeah, the whole 'one continent' thing is almost universally taught in schools within LATAM. I remember constantly getting in arguments with friends in Colombia about it. They told me the idea there is two contients is rooted in American imperialism and not in science. When... theyre literally on separate continental plates and have only been connected for 3m years which is like 1% of Earth's geological history. Its an intersting cultural phenomenon to me and very interesting that this is such a strong belief in LATAM.

[@rexyjp1237]

Cental america is part of the northern continent

[@renanalvim6160]

@@sleepyboi8060 It used to be taught the one continent in America too, but with time it changed

[@mcmandy086]

@@sleepyboi8060 It's because it used to be considered one continent during colonial times. You can see it in many documents and accounts of the time. The term "New World" referred to America as a whole, that's why it's not "The Two New Worlds". No one even cares about the "separate continental plates", it's about registered history. I used to argue too until someone told me that both concepts are right, you can say America is one continent and you can say it's two (which you know, happen to have the same name, the same history and the same natives who live all across the land, but ok)

[@AGamerthatregretsalot]

As a Guatemalan, I’m trying to still figure this out

[@maximv.krieken9952]

My thoughts going into this vid: Fauna & Flora; "Huh, terrorbirds, neat." Everything after that; "Oh god, it's the great lakes scenario all over again."

[@dalekrenegade2596]

???

[@dudeomaticman]

Cody: "The large birds wouldn't be a threat against men armed with guns" Well hold your horses Australian minister for defence George Pearce...

[@squirreledhistory906]

Yeah, the whole Emu War kinda proved that wrong.

[@Sairex666]

@@squirreledhistory906 The emu war failed, because people started raising more of them, just to turn in the bodies for a bounty.

[@leifjbj]

@@Sairex666 they probably know, it just makes a good joke.

[@Sairex666]

@@leifjbj you're probably right, but no harm in throwing in that little bit of info in case someone unaware stumbles across it.

[@ripvanwinkle7689]

@@squirreledhistory906 yeah but the emus run and don't attack humans while terror birds are carnivores and would attack the conquistadors

[@Gabo0870]

AHH: “South America is now a savage and untamed place” Me a South American: “it has always been”

[@scotttaylor7146]

"Wait, it's all savage and untamed?" "Always has been"

[@stevenandersen6989]

@@scotttaylor7146 You see, it's fine when a south american says it, but as soon as a European says i-

[@jasoncola6071]

@@stevenandersen6989 I mean, he's just reiterating the joke (albeit the meme is kinda outdated, but that's irrelevant)

[@SIGNOR-G]

@DIEGO PEREZ GENIS *civilizing intensifies*

[@fengkorberfer]

@@SIGNOR-G "inesifies"

[@Biker_Gremling]

"United States of Parias". As a Spaniard I'm taking back the idea and running with it.

[@thecacodemon9260]

I could imagine the chants now: *USP! USP! USP! USP!*

[@ninjasiren]

Wait USP, isn't that a pistol? So nothing changed?

[@quidam_surprise]

No please... No more United States of anything 😔

[@disappointedmess209]

just ah, dont do the slaves and stuff i remember last time *S P A I N*

[@Brandonhayhew]

@@thecacodemon9260 that would be a bit confusing?

[@oscargurdian9389]

me, someone from central america: *disintegrates into dust*

[@intelligencecube6752]

its ok, the climate conditions coupled with the butterfly effect would mean we all would join you.

[@spidermovies30]

"Instead of a revolution like under Bolivar" *Shows a painting of D. Pedro like a boss*

[@nonbeenary9501]

Climate is more extreme, winters colder, summers hotter. So Europe just becomes Winnipeg

[@oitubeman1019]

Or maybe it becomes much hotter

[@abhiprakash74999]

Idk know Cody. Wouldn't the Caribbean tribes or even more likely the Polynesians have eventually found south america

[@mkra7769]

Yeah, I really can't believe that humans wouldn't have inhabited South America long before Columbus. I'd be more interesting in this scenario to see how that would affect Oceania and Asia. There's even genetic and archeological evidence that Polynesians did arrive at South America before europeans did...

[@gingecharmander]

I was thinking the same thing, it wouldn't be two long before someone made it there just like they made it to all the other islands in history you cannot see. It would have been later then in our time but I don't see it not happening

[@abhiprakash74999]

@@gingecharmander well Easter Island was settled by Polynesians around 300-400 CE. So yeah supposing they found chile in 500 CE , it would still give them a 1000 yrs before Europeans arrived .

[@mkra7769]

Maybe Cody just really wanted to see the Spanish fighting giant birds, lol. But saying that it is probable South America wouldn't be inhabited, is just weird...

[@AudieHolland]

@@mkra7769 It's "The Lost World" but with Spanish conquistadores!

[@__nog642]

2:26 Why? They got to the islands in the Caribbean. They had boats.

[@intelligencecube6752]

I know, right? I was thinking some alternate Carib people would go down and colonize South America or something. I mean, if they didn't have boats then how would there be people in the carribean? The way I see it is this scenario is only possible if no humans crossed into the Caribbean. That way there wouldn't be anyone that could go from there to South America.

[@Ethan5I5]

The natives would probably have been killed by the terror birds & other monsters

[@__nog642]

@@Ethan5I5 North America had plenty of predators too. Humans are just too good.

[@jackflorek622]

You don’t consider the implications of Europe not getting access to cultivated potatoes, which were native to the Inca people. This hugely effected the agricultural landscape of Europe and their ability to grow food

[@lorelord2418]

No! The Irish! What will they subsist on now?!

[@GeoRyukaiser]

"Giant Birds wouldn't be a threat to men armed with Pikes and Guns." How quickly people forget The Great Emu War.

[@krysc3278]

*NEVER* take light the Emus

[@Monke-fj2qz]

I mean creatures similar to those giant birds were wiped out with people with sharp sticks and basic coordination.

[@dalekrenegade2596]

@@Monke-fj2qz If your referring to the Moa just remember that took place on an island with no real terrestrial predators besides a huge fucking eagle.

[@williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511]

​@@dalekrenegade2596que es una ave de terror? Un águila mezclada con un avestruz

[@American_Imperialisst]

In an alternative history would teddy fill up the Panama canal?

[@nilktots6380]

the panama land bridge

[@gmat5046]

By hand.

[@bjorn_joseph]

With a big ass stick

[@spiderclone101]

"But seriously, Conquistadors vs Terror Birds. Let's bring back Deadliest Warrior just for this" Sir...you are a genius

[@trueblade3636]

Deadlist Warrior's was awesome, with the exception of some of the latest episodes. The pacing of the show was too slow however

[@pierreodendaal6519]

Mmm, Oversimplified reference?

[@rocekth]

@@pierreodendaal6519 For once, not everything is an Oversimplified reference

[@hoodclassicsofcalifornia]

@@pierreodendaal6519 jeez oversimplified fans are annoying

[@Biker_Gremling]

@@trueblade3636 cowboys vs mafia, where the bowey knife was beaten by the ice pick 🙄

[@Maxi_Friedrich]

Cody, bro. I love you but Even the Easter Island was inhatibed. A whole habitable continental mass like South America would also be in this timeline.

[@Isaiahjax]

Agreed

[@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim]

Do remember that the evidence of Polynesian interactions with South American is still rather new, so there's a chance he missed the papers about it. For a long time, we believed Easter Island was as close to the Americas the Polynesians got, meaning that the only way humans would have gotten to South America was via Panama.

[@derektorres3092]

@@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim Didn’t the South American native groups sail into the Caribbean? The natives would have easily settled on it. The only difference is the strange animals

[@Robert399]

There are people with the ability, but in our timeline none of them went to South America before the Europeans. So why would that suddenly change?

[@Maxi_Friedrich]

@@Robert399 What

[@Ggdivhjkjl]

This gives a whole new meaning to the acronym USP.

[@user-ft3jq5vi2l]

Are we just gonna ignore polinesian settling? They were one heck of some good sailors.

[@christophersnedeker2065]

Tbh they might just show up in a European port city unannounced some time in the middle ages. Could wind up traders bringing Asian spices across the Atlantic and Pacific.

[@sakataginko9092]

@@christophersnedeker2065 Holy shit you’re right!

[@rippspeck]

Good sailors? More like the best there ever were. They colonized the biggest ocean on the planet using rafts.

[@DaveMiller6042]

Yes.

[@АртурЧугай]

"Segnore, an enormous land eagle just killed Fernandez!" "What?! Haven't I told you you all not to take off you helmets?" "But signore...he didnt..." "...Dios Mio..."

[@nicolaszan1845]

Why are they saying "Sir" in Italian?

[@stratometal]

@DidacusAugustus Señor :D

[@nate7LP_my_dog_found_the_knife]

This deserves far more likes, and I hope that it gets added into the sci-fi horror film this will undoubtedly turn into.

[@appalachianwolf1187]

0:02 you had no chance of getting this video monetized

[@mr.outlaw231]

11:51 Cody: The United States of Parias doesn't really have as much of a ring to it. Me: USP! USP! USP!

[@markvickery5894]

One problem I have with this is the fact that you said natives wouldnt be inhabiting south america, however that's not true. Many natives were good with making boats, and I'm sure based on the fact that australia and hawaii and all these small little islands that have indigenous humans, that south america would be heavily populated with natives still, just maybe only delaying their arrival by a few year or few hundred years.

[@tfcast1977]

It could have some sorta of small tribes and or societies around the coast, but I wouldn't say "heavly populated" specially with creatures such the terror birds and giant sloths and many other creatures living in there.

[@UnwantedGhost1-anz25]

​@@tfcast1977 Not to mention Megaldons and hyper carnivorous Sperm Whales patrolling the waters.

[@Edaphosaurus]

@@UnwantedGhost1-anz25the Megalodons and Livayatans went extinct before the start of the Ice Age, the Native Americans would absolutely not have to worry about them!

[@wisdomleader85]

"What if North and South America Were Never Connected?" Then it would be easier for Godzilla to sneak into New York without making a scene.

[@AncientAmericas]

Actually, if the Caribbean islands were colonized by people from North America, there's a very good chance that South America would have been reached. In our own timeline, the Caribbean islands were colonized by indigenous people that island hopped their way from island to island, so it could have been populated but to what extent would be hard to say. Also, the Polynesians did make contact with South America before the Spanish, so even if South America hadn't been reached before by native Americans, the Europeans would not have gotten there first. Great video!

[@ionizedtooth3206]

The Polynesians would find it but wouldn’t have the resources to stay

[@christophersnedeker2065]

Why not? They stayed in Hawaii, Easter island, New Zealand and all the other places they found.

[@ionizedtooth3206]

@@christophersnedeker2065 the wildlife in those areas where isolated and didn’t have difficult competitive evolution so they would have to bring many cataracts of people to take a terror bird down

[@violet_silly9929]

@@ionizedtooth3206 they already dealt with big birds in new Zealand fairly easily, I doubt they'd have trouble with another. Theyd likely get at least some areas, let alone the fact they could get to the caribbean

[@blixer8384]

And what about the Caribs? They didn’t just settle the Islands they settled the coast of south and central America. I believe this assumption that humans could inhabit North America and the Caribbean for over 16 thousand years and not stumble upon South America at all is extremely egregious. It only took humans two thousand years to settle the pacific I’m pretty sure they would be able to beat the Spanish to South America by at least 10,000 years.

[@mme.veronica735]

@@ionizedtooth3206 never underestimate humans being able to kill things

[@anarionelendili8961]

"I just want to see conquistadors fight [terror] birds." Me too, Cody, me too.

[@MinecraftWorld1954]

Nah. Make ‘em RIDE the f*cking birds

[@KhanhNguyen-mh5ec]

Columbus’ man: Sir, We discover bird as big of ostrich and as vicious as an eagle. Captain: what do we call it? Columbus’ man: Angry duck

[@legateelizabeth]

"Sailing out to sea rarely ever worked out unless you were Polynesia." Or the Vikings. Or a handful of Asian countries around Korea/Japan/East China. Or possibly Carthage depending on how much stock you put in their stories about going around Africa and how far away they got. Or the peoples of the Caribbean. Or anybody who sailed the pre-Viking North Sea. Or the Minoans, maybe? Point being Polynesians were REALLY good at sea-sailing, but they were hardly the only people to ever do it and just going "eh the Mayans/Aztecs/Olmecs/whomever don't do it" feels super dismissive when a lot of cultures that lived on archipelagos or peninsulas developed at least some kind of seafaring capability - you've even got the Caribbean to island-hop around on.

[@essexclass8168]

nah the Mayans just build a massive bridge to it with their world ending math wheels

[@lazer_kiw1]

7:11 Something signficant that Cody missed here is that there could be Polynesian settlement in South America. There is evidence of historical contact and interaction between Polynesians and South America: the cultivation of the sweet potato by Polynesians, and native american admixture in some Polynesian populations. The two explanations are either the polynesians reached South America, or South Americans sailed out into polynesia. If we are going with the narrative that Native Americans wouldn't develop seafaring technology, we assume the former explanation is true. This could make for a very unique timeline, where instead of trading with the natives, the Polynesians settle permanently in South America and explore the continent. Basically what I'm saying is that once you factor in the huge flightless birds we pretty much get New Zealand, but a whole lot bigger. Despite this I would expect the population to be smaller than in OTL, so we might have Polynesians mixed with the Spanish along the western coast, then the mixed Spanish-African culture in the east as Cody decribed.

[@beneficent2557]

This. 100%.

[@Mr-ne9ld]

That said that civilización would be younger, I mean Rapanui got inavited like only a 1000 years ago, still an interesting timeline

[@captainCaybrew]

I’d argue a separated South America would have a population before the arrival of the Spanish. Likely it would be people of the Carib and Taino people. They already had the island hopping capabilities and reached as far south as Trinidad, which you can visibly see South America from its western most point on a clear day. The people of South America in this situation would be nothing like how they were in our timeline, but I think they’d still exist.

[@beneficent2557]

Polynesians too. Imo. Don't forget about the sweet potato connection.

[@Typhyr]

Cody on Terror Birds: They wouldn’t be a threat to men armed with pickes and guns. The Emu Wars: Am I a joke to you?

[@randomcommenter2504]

Yes.

[@anton2192]

"Internationally South America doesn't really effect the rest of the world" Every. Single. Timeline...

[@louisduarte8763]

Pablo Escobar: "Am I a joke to you?"

[@manolomartinez5033]

*cries in south american*

[@wisemankugelmemicus1701]

@@Carolina-bw6gy Wrong. The more likely answer is cheap labor. America has plenty of natural resources.

[@blllllllllllllllllllrlrlrl7059]

@@Carolina-bw6gy not true at all.

[@viniciusdomenighi6439]

we are waiting our time to come...

[@MetallGecko1]

South America with Megafauna and Terror birds, sounds like Monster Hunter in Real Life

[@ofthecaribbean]

Imagine domesticating terror birds and turning them into chocobos from final fantasy

[@KhanMann66]

Depending on the species. The more docile they are the more likely they are to be kept as food or steeds.

[@conradojavier7547]

@@ofthecaribbean Imagine a Terror Bird War.

[@blakedavis2447]

Nice pfp

[@MetallGecko1]

@@conradojavier7547The Great Terror Bird war LMAO

[@willording2877]

The non existence of the Isthmus of Panama would have some interesting implications on the U.S. Navy though. Near constantly whenever you talk about ship design with the U.S., size limitation due to needing to be able to pass through the Panama canal is first on the list. Off the cuff, the Iowa's were limited to allow maneuvering through the canal and the Montana Class was cancelled due to requiring the expansion of the canal. Popular science has a good article on the effects of the canal called "How The Panama Canal Changed The Shape Of War."

[@T3nMiDGET5711]

The Only Mestizos in Latin America in this world would be in Mexico

[@isasolorzano9706]

Nah, there would definitely still be mixed raced people in South America, between the Spanish and the African slaves. It actually happened in our timeline, so yeah.

[@JALUone1]

The arahuac in the Caribean sea and Venezuela come from the islands

[@T3nMiDGET5711]

@@isasolorzano9706 My response was deleted for some weird reason

[@quidam_surprise]

@@isasolorzano9706 Doesn't 'mestizo' specifically refers to people of both European and indigenous American ascendance ? ... at least as far as Spanish is concerned.

[@rjhernandez02]

@@quidam_surprise Well yes but nowadays most people use mestizo to refer to any person of mixed origin.

[@nrrork]

Now we're just learning how the Chocobo was domesticated.

[@lukew1383]

First thing I thought of when I saw this video.

[@krysc3278]

Terror bird = wild chocobo, so after some centuries of controled breeding and domestication, we could have had the chocobos from Final Fantasy

[@nate7LP_my_dog_found_the_knife]

@@krysc3278 where and how do I get one?

[@krysc3278]

@@nate7LP_my_dog_found_the_knife not anymore, the terror bird is extint

[@nate7LP_my_dog_found_the_knife]

@@krysc3278 Terror bird park.

[@pulchram]

Why did you talked only about Spain? What about Portugal, France, England and The Netherlands who also explored south america.

[@xjdjaws]

Conquistadors vs Big birds is cooler

[@pedrosantosdesaojose3389]

@@infinitedino9807 Portugal got everything in Brazil its not something that you can just ignore my dude

[@andy56duky]

@@xjdjaws mortal kombat edition.

[@kenthehobo]

Porque aqui se habla español! Wooooooooo

[@pedrosantosdesaojose3389]

@@infinitedino9807 Yhea but Brazil kinda big

[@superthing1147]

ok hear me out, giant sloths with guns. they take the muskets from the conquistadors and use them to fight back.

[@Telleryn]

Woah woah woah, so you're telling me that humans could've made it to places like Hawaii and Australia as far back as 10,000 years ago, but not followed the coast down and hopped the small gap between N and S America?

[@adamnesico]

Hawaii was recently colonised. The galapagos and malvinas were closer than this and never populated by natives

[@markscott2571]

Alternate take: What if the Vikings stayed just long enough to reintroduce horses, cattle, and sheep to the native americans.

[@shaunlevin5081]

"While North America was called Pariah." They must have known about the USA centuries in advance.

[@flippinflitz2773]

Lol last time I was this early the CSA still exi.... oh there they go

[@171xlr]

"There would be no humannlife in South America" Brazilian arquelogists: "Am I a joke to you?" Loved the video btw, I enjoy more and more the channel

[@Carolina-bw6gy]

Não sei nada de arqueologia ou história, mas os povos nativos daqui não vieram da américa do norte

[@tearet741]

@Mullerornis No if North America wasn't exist South america never would be landed by people maybe untill very recent times

[@aze94]

4:17 Ah yes, the alternate history scenario: What if Sicily didn't exist.

[@christophersnedeker2065]

No Punic wars?

[@saulteauxfirstnationsman5180]

Me as First Nations person of Canada: *That’s some crazy shit*

[@TenshoWasHere]

Me, a Filipino who was colonized by the Spanish: *agreed, imma let them do their thing*

[@925bear]

0:39 AlternateHistoryHub-So let me expla- Trey The Explainer-WHOMST HAS AWAKENED THE ANCIENT ONE!!!

[@Hunterrion]

This is my most anticipated video from your channel yet after several years of watching, thank you for this birthday gift!

[@TheYoungsterBros]

happy birthday brother

[@henriquetolentino1055]

Why this specific one?

[@Hunterrion]

@@henriquetolentino1055 I've always loved south american megafauna and the cool evolutionary environment there, and thought this scenerio in particular was always a cool idea to ponder.

[@henriquetolentino1055]

@@Hunterrion nice,happy birthday btw!

[@davidprentice2015]

I don’t know, I’d imagine the search for the northwest passage would’ve had a more significant impact on North American development than you think.

[@TheJas-vr2vr]

There would be less of an oragon trail, as many people could sail around relatively easily.

[@PlexorF1]

The United States of Parya also known as the USP-

[@Huojunta]

You're going to Brazil... but in an alternate timeline where it has terror birds and giant armadillos

[@ale-xsantos1078]

So a bigger Acre

[@matheussanthiago9685]

still less scary than two dudes on a motorcycle

[@thejwoom9912]

Other people: “Finally, an AlternateHistoryHub video.” Me an intellectual: “Finally, a TreytheExplainer video.”

[@mikaelleonbriones6356]

*cameo: it was a TreytheExplainer cameo

[@justanotherhumanuser3145]

@@mikaelleonbriones6356 it's his video until he makes a new one for his channel

[@purpledevilr7463]

4:10 I just need to watch that clip a few times.

[@lemmonboy6459]

**DIXIE PLAYS**

[@The_Conspiracy_Analyst]

5:20 yes, that's the right answer. We have data about what the climate was like when North and South America weren't connected. It was especially wetter and warmer in north America. Vast desert regions in the American west were grasslands and forest

[@mitchcampbell4197]

Getting rid of Central America to connect the two oceans has Theodore Roosevelt rising from the dead.

[@Ayala-99]

Honestly Natives would’ve made their way to South America with or without Central America being there lol.

[@carultch]

Yeah, exactly. If Native Americans can populate Dominica, they can populate South America, even if it isn't connected. I doubt they relied on crossing the Darien Gap to get to South America anyway.

[@JP-se5kf]

7:32 "deal with the fact that they're going on a landmass, full of monsters," sooo... Jurassic Park then.

[@DinoRicky]

But with semi-modern emu like birds in a entire continent

[@brutusmagnuson315]

Wait, what? I’m pretty sure ancient proto-Mexicans would’ve eventually sailed over to South America long before Europeans invaded

[@_Anmo_]

Haha enother CSA joke 4:05

[@alizaheer6722]

I think you didn't take into account the Caribbean islands. They were inhabited before the European discovery of America. The islands of the Caribbean could have given easy access to South America for the migrating populations.

[@jackyex]

I don't that's possible has the native people of the Caribbean islands came from south america as the gap between it and the islands was much smaller than the one between the islands and north america. So south america and the Caribbean would be depopulated

[@lordlammi1562]

"there wouldn't be natives" but didn't some South American natives get there by raft?

[@hunterv9983]

Perhaps

[@iancarreras9893]

Then the megafauna would be dead and that would be boring

[@DrakebIood]

Yeah up to about 14,000 years ago there’s evidence of coastal migration into the continent and especially along the coast

[@lordlammi1562]

@@DrakebIood also another headcanon of mine is that pihrannas or some other Amazonian river creature would evolve into things like the Creature from the Black Lagoon, and they'd rule the continent.

[@kzeriar25]

@@iancarreras9893 idk South America without its diverse native cultures also sound pretty boring to me

[@hunterofhotdogs4505]

i'm not convinced that the natives would never find and settle south america

[@castlewhite1577]

Man I have always compared you two when I first discovered your channels at around the same time. So it's great that you guys are finally acknowledging and collaborating with each other. xD

[@andrewpytko4773]

Why wouldn't this South America have it's own Native Human population? If Australia and the islands of the South Pacific can, then surely some indigenous people would be able to migrate there.

[@AvgSchizoid]

Checkmate Lincolnites reference makes this video 10/10

[@spinakker14]

Maybe South America still would be populated. Don't forget that people from Asia had to cross huge distances through the Ocean to populate Polynesia, even reaching the Easter Islands

[@wizard680]

So you say that native american wont reach south america. But cant they just island hop from florida all the way to Venezuela?

[@sky_skipper]

seriously. How did they get to the Caribbean islands and not South America?

[@AlternateHistoryHub]

Weirdly enough there is evidence that the native population of the Carribean has more genetically in common with South American natives than Florida. So if anything, natives island hopped up from South America instead of the other way around.

[@abhiprakash74999]

@@AlternateHistoryHub oh wow. That is bizarre. But I still maintain Polynesians would have found South america much like they probably did in our timeline

[@abhiprakash74999]

@@AlternateHistoryHub also pls pls pls make a ' what if India never collided into Asia and remained an island in the middle of the ocean or remained attached to antartica thereby never forming the Himalayas' video . Plzzzzz.

[@adhdlama2403]

I was SHOCKED to see my favorite paleontology-youtuber appear in this video! Wow!!

[@5nhyfiery]

trey the explainer and atlas pro!? amazing

[@rsj2877]

And what about Chile?, It's has a situation similar to Perth with the rest of australia due to the outback, this time with deserts and mountains.

[@namasbouer4075]

"Spanish Silver from Peru" Bolivians: Am I joke to you

[@carultch]

Argentina: Have you forgotten I am named after the ancient name for silver?

[@elchoclodelpaisaje6556]

It was called "Alto Peru"

[@elmashable9722]

Woah! So the United States of America (IF exists in this scenario) Then it would be the “United States of Parria”

[@jmgonzales7701]

I cant identify you. Are you filipino or american or mexican?

[@KayinDreemurr]

The mention of the Polynesians means its possible humans still might have gotten over there, but they might have done so much later, which still has its own interesting implications.

[@markscott2571]

Alternate Take: What if a small part of the Bering Land Bridge remained connected to Siberia and North America.

[@hp2893]

11:16 "Revolution under bolivar": shows painting of Dom Pedro proclaiming brazilian Independence.

[@TheBigRedskull]

So no humans would ever reach South America before the Europeans? I feel like some Caribbean peoples or possibly even the Polynesians would have reach South America?

[@electricangel4488]

some people argue the Polynesian i personaly dont see it. the Caribbeans peoples very likely. Thou it much the same as austrelia filled with monsters. Maybe some fishing villiages but depending on times scale is doubt it. thou at 1500 the taino where pushing out diffrent native tribes from the carribean north to south.

[@dinodude6992]

The extinct species from south America: could there of been a way we could survive? Newly extinct species: yeeeeaaaaah nooooo, in fact your lucky to not die out cause of humans. The extinct animals from south America: awwwww.

[@KhanMann66]

Yep never underestimate the curiosity of man. No land is safe even if separated by miles of ocean. Just look at Australia.

[@Felixkeeg]

Hear me out: Conquistadors *riding on* terror birds! Those puny horses are no match!

[@shakabletax2103]

TREY OMG YAY ANOTHER TREY VIDEO 🥺❤️

[@francescoboselli6033]

5:42 me a Northern Italian used to have fog that doesn't allow you to see at 2 meters from you nose: oh yeah! That is very difficult to Imagine!

[@AbrahamLincoln4]

North America and South America: *Connected* The United States: *"Allow me to introduce myself"*

[@samwalby2277]

I do not like this theory because it implies that Theodore Roosevelt wouldn't be able to will Panama to be split in half because he said so