Mass Shootings, Racism, and the Rise of Nazism: The Dangers of Habituation | Amanpour and Company

[@willardchi2571]

People are habituated to the super wealthy and corporations paying no taxes. People are also habituated to elected officials being uncannily lucky stock pickers, over and over and over, and yet still being reelected. People are habituated to supreme court justices accepting generous gifts from billionaires and people are habituated to there being a revolving door between positions as financial regulators in government and positions as CEO's on Wall Street. People are habituated to a different systems of justice for the wealthy and for the poor.

[@buzoff4642]

We aren't habituated to it. What we are habituated to is the parties taking over the actual voting processes, and lost ability/imagination how to take that back out of their hands.

[@flickwtchr]

Well said, and I'm shocked your comment hasn't been removed, as mine typically are when I make arguments regarding historic inequality and how the 1% has been winning the class war that they started for 40 years.

[@buzoff4642]

@@flickwtchr Active removal of materials, supporting that. There used to be a link to Trilateral Commission's Crisis of Democracy paper. Since removed, wikipedia now points to the copy on Wayback archive. I suspect there's railing against the teaching of unflattering history, because the public would see the parallel to today.

[@JasonGafar]

I love Cass Sustein! He is just so incredibly inspiring to me. He is brilliant and such a formidable scholar. I really hope to meet him one day.

[@SecnarfWobneb]

You obviously don't have a science background otherwise you would be worried about his statements

[@moralfortitude...2217]

@@SecnarfWobneb o.k. seriously !!!

[@cuervoblanco71]

If you repeat a lie over and over again you start to believe in it - Joseph Goebels

[@johnnastrom9400]

And the left is really good at doing just that.

[@quddusquddus136]

"There is a taint of death in lies." In "Heart of Darkness", Conrad showed his utmost contempt towards lies. Time to revisit Conrad's book.

[@kenrickhackett3977]

Thanks for this recommendation.

[@mtn1793]

Isn’t there a movie made of that book?

[@angelsy1975]

@@mtn1793The horror! The horror!

[@michaelepp6212]

Yet the narrator Marlowe lies to Kurtz' 'Intended' at the end of the book, to spare her feelings.

[@leaj3799]

@@mtn1793Apocalypse Now, set in Vietnam instead of the Congo

[@kamadd1]

Thank you for a rational conversation. I appreciate the data and the interpretation. The corn is getting higher but not necessarily spreading. Maybe just maybe we'll overcome the encroaching political chaos. We need to, as there's a number of converging crises to navigate, not least of which is climate change.

[@buzoff4642]

I'd consider globalization "spreading" of the corn. Not the least of which is climate change, and its causes.

[@gregrogers3203]

Excellent discussion of the many applications and scenarios of habituation or “becoming accustomed to”, “accepting of”, “taking for granted”, etc. Worth sharing with others, listening together, discussing our personal experiences of habituation.

[@SecnarfWobneb]

Unfortunately it was dismally bad and albeit well meaning has zero to do with habituation, which means in science for instance whether you get used to a pain trigger or not. The answer is not. Abysmal

[@neilmahar7107]

Think about how Trump is getting everybody used to his shitty behavior and normalizing idiocy.

[@buzoff4642]

Started with the banks. They knew his casino was a big failure, but let it slide because his big glossy gold-veneer name was on the front of it. As for the R party, Bush Sr: "... the nutjobs in the party ..." It took decades to build their demise.

[@johnnastrom9400]

Idiocy has been normalized for a very long time now, which is attested by comments like yours showing you have no clue as to what the real danger is.

[@buzoff4642]

@@johnnastrom9400 You have to be kidding. His narcissistic bombastic tirades, he's has made himself a laughing stock.

[@kayfitzgerald309]

​@buzoff4642 I don't think he made hisself that way,,,he was BORN that way!😅

[@buzoff4642]

@@kayfitzgerald309 I thought narcissists were born that way, but discovered in the past few years, people can become narcissistic, made into a narcissist. But his tirades, national/international, is his doing.

[@Irishpenguinirish]

This is the critical explanation that everyone needs to hear. HOW is it that we accept things that are clearly untrue? How do we believe a lie when our eyes tell us otherwise? Getting habituated to something unpleasant can be helpful, but it also means we get used to the abuse of innocents, and this is how evil prospers. Also a good reminder to emphasize the good things in life; GRATITUDE.

[@MayThereBeWorldPeace]

This was excellent to listen to. Must get the book "Look Again."

[@CameraLaw]

Always something significant to learn from my favorite law professor (UChi ‘88-‘91). Great interview from, to me, an equally important biographer. Thanks all.

[@siriuslyspeaking9720]

How to "reset our thinking"? When was any previous state of our thinking or being, in general, ever been adequate enough? An evolution in both is what is needed.

[@moralfortitude...2217]

never stop learning... and learned today, same 🐂~💩 just different 🚽... 🙄🤦‍♂️🤨🤦‍♀️

[@buzoff4642]

Talking to different people, reading different books. He was quite direct: The "like" button is merely reaffirmation of one's own thoughts.

[@moralfortitude...2217]

@@buzoff4642 so saying...what🙄

[@buzoff4642]

@@moralfortitude...2217 Broaden the number and type you talk to.

[@moralfortitude...2217]

@@buzoff4642 what's more broad than, ETC...

[@heyhey3185]

Really enlightening and constructive dialogue 👏🏻

[@SecnarfWobneb]

No unfortunately it is not. Please learn science and what habituation means. This is very weird. I am sure he didn't study medicine. He has no idea what he is talking about

[@heyhey3185]

@@SecnarfWobneb Enlighten me. I’m all ears.

[@courtneybrown6204]

Habituation for some causes depression.

[@buzoff4642]

And OCD. And fixation. And passivity. Your habits become your life, which can be good and bad.

[@Eurydice870]

I need this book. Thanks. Reminds me of David Foster Wallace's parable about the two fish, not understanding they sawm in water.

[@michaelepp6212]

"The day a fish discovers water is the day it discovers the frying pan" - Someone Smart

[@nicolasdelaforge7420]

'Habituation' was discovered 2,000 years ago. Funny how we have to re-teach every notion every generation.

[@timmcardle2233]

The part about speaking up hit home. Try speaking up to somebody on littering. Every time I've done it I've met hostility. That's not my problem it's a problem of society that accepts this. The same kind of society that has become so complacent it will accept the litter and trash of the Republican party and Donald Trump. Just like the folks who throw around the trash and get hostile with you for calling them on it; the folks will get hostile with you for calling them on helping to trash the country.

[@wilesdukedubose4431]

Exactly It's "conditioning" which becomes a collective psychosis.

[@kayfitzgerald309]

And it's DISGUSTING that we,(sane polite citizens) are made to quite OUR voices, so the ill-mannered, unknowledabe(?) people can be heard the loudest, without regard to thier fellow Civilized citizens!!! BRING BACK MANNERS & CIVILITY 😊

[@musiqtee]

Positivity, good - _Positivism_ , bad… The latter is an antidote to reality - however it’s perceived.

[@kevinjenner9502]

Among the developed countries of the world, domestic mass shootings are a uniquely American thing…A governmental culture of continuous wars and interventions abroad.

[@mtn1793]

Also lies and ideology.

[@buzoff4642]

I believe it was foretold: beware MIC.

[@18_rabbit]

no, there's no major connection between the two. The gun stuff became a thing from around the time Obama was elected, ie this is clearly reactionary fearful primal and socioeconoimic stuff. I"m a yank of middle age ,and though i dn't argue that we haven't had a lot of overseas wars, it's not connected.

[@buzoff4642]

@@18_rabbit Guns are industrial. War is industrial. Of course the two are related. AK47 isn't recreational purpose.

[@jannetteberends8730]

I’ve got ADD, and have problems with automation. It’s not easy.

[@mulvah]

is Walter wearing a Pi tie? Maybe this was filmed yesterday and aired today

[@3rdeyegoogly]

Is no one going to give props for the adept avoidance of fights with their wives at about 7 minutes? 😂 👏

[@ruthokelley5833]

We have surely become more evil…it seems! Would humans be here if they were this evil down through time?

[@wilesdukedubose4431]

Exactly Its "conditioning" and a collective psychosis.

[@krisdockers2047]

Once again, 10 out of

[@krisdockers2047]

10 i was gonna say, the team at ananpour and the guests.

[@hayesdabney]

Read _Laugh Riot_ by Fintan O`Toole, in The New York Review of Books.

[@ahahaha3505]

I took your advice and wasn't disappointed!

[@Misses-Hippy]

Maintain your objectivity. Be aware. People who are lost on their phones, or religions and other cults for that matter, are easy to overtake. Hence the value of dumbing-down = creation of useful idiots.

[@catya3668]

Thank you gentlemen!

[@2_Normal_Ted_Junior]

It’s actually very frustrating to wake up because it is invariably opposed by the status quo. You probably can’t imagine how depraved your own values are.

[@buzoff4642]

Were you expecting change to be easy? Status quo is, because it benefits a few, and they're not going to give up that benefit without the work to build traction/momentum to change that.

[@chuckrrose]

Wonder how this explains the special difficulty of arguments/propositions that are counter-intuitive, like some analyses in economics....?

[@msship8234]

I didn't get the Paul Simon reference right at the beginning. Could someone help me out, please?

[@buzoff4642]

The segment of the show preceding this interview, was an interview with Paul Simon and his latest music.

[@msship8234]

@@buzoff4642Thanks!

[@buzoff4642]

@@msship8234 Likely Simon interview is on CNN web site.

[@SecnarfWobneb]

What he could have said would have been that you should not get used to bad standards and immoral behaviour / being opportunistic. But he didn't. If he were interested in a biological argument he could have pointed out the evolutionary advantage of altruism and teamwork, but no....

[@buzoff4642]

Clearly you don't understand that he said the same thing, but addressing exactly how, sociologically, bad standards, immoral behavior and being opportunistic, is slipped into every day conversation, so that people do get used to it. Evolutionary advantage of altruism and teamwork is only a biological advantage _over_ _the_ _long_ _haul_ . Not the short term interests of the ruthless.

[@thosethatcan]

Does he list taskforce Butler 🕵🏽, OPP, IDAVOX, SPLC???

[@mycount64]

I say the experience we have is all we have. All of them are equivalent good bad or ugly, happy or miserable in the end. Don't delude yourself by brainwashing, that the same thing spruced up is somehow new or different. End the job end the relationship etc etc etc move on and experience more.

[@buzoff4642]

You missed the definition of greying.

[@lawrencehawkins7198]

I hate words like “Habituation.” What’s wrong with “Desensitization ?”

[@j.escobar5395]

This Cass guy looks like Tom Cruise, but from a different timeline

[@Lynn-i2w]

I thought this was about Israel’s war on Gaza civilians. The headline confused me.

[@sunriselotus]

My boss is mean and I’m not habituating. What should I do.

[@buzoff4642]

That depends. If the person is sane but frustrated, "I was just about to [do what you're yelling about], there's no reason to snap at me." If the person's inherently toxic, "Thanks for pointing that out, I meant to get to that.", which may lower their blood pressure/contempt.

[@cuervoblanco71]

That, s what happened to Russia recently

[@alvallac2171]

*That's *recently.

[@thosethatcan]

Maybe also that Catholics have ... Jw (s, LDS, etc etc

[@Ali-e5h1b]

That's a terrible opening example. You can't habituate to swimming in cold water. Hypothermia kills you even when you don't feel cold. Hyperthermia does the same. He should have used noise as an example since it generally doesn't kill you. Background noise...

[@TheAureliac]

Sunstein is great: Isaacson sounds drunk.

[@igpxmaster]

Twitter is making it worse

[@jeromesims]

Habituation is a big new Cambridge word? 😂 What's really going on here? Because nothing about this is new or even interesting information if you have ever looked into psychology at all. Well, it turns out that the co-author Tali Sharot is an Israeli psychologist and that Cass Sunstein has co-authored other books with Israeli psychologists. Tali's name does not even appear in this interview, far less any info given about her. Sunstein has worked in the Obama admin along his wife, Samantha Power who served as US ambassador to the UN, a role that is crucial to protecting Israeli interests as we've seen. Indeed she describes her devotion to Israel as "deeply personal". How is someone who is habituated to accepting apartheid, ethnic cleansing, infanticide and genocide going to have anything new to say about the evils of habituation or looking with fresh eyes? No wonder so little is said about Tali Sharot here. The connections with Israel would certainly become a distraction from this deceptively banal conversation.

[@buzoff4642]

Whereas the rest of the planet didn't come to a stop on October 7th.

[@18_rabbit]

way to show your deep anti-israel bias, or worse. Biased ideology must?

[@senior_ranger]

Why does he need all those books?

[@buzoff4642]

Research is the process of building upon the works of others.