Stewart Rhodes Led the Oath Keepers on Jan. 6; Now He Feels Betrayed by Trump | Amanpour and Company

In Washington, D.C., the investigation into the January 6th insurrection continues. Details are emerging about efforts made by Donald Trump and his allies to overturn the 2021 presidential election. Mike Giglio is a journalist whose focus is on war, terrorism and national security. In his latest piece for The Intercept, he profiled Stewart Rhodes, founder of the Oath Keepers, a U.S. paramilitary group that took part in the insurrection. Giglio joins Michel Martin to discuss who he is and what drives him. This interview is part of Exploring Hate, our ongoing series on antisemitism, racism and extremism.
Originally aired on March 31, 2022.
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[@shawnsimmons1308]

Oathkeepers started before 2009. I remember after I had come back home from serving as a US Army reservist in 2005, I had received an email from a local chapter of Oathkeepers to join up. It was specifically targeted to military service members. I joined up under the impression that it was just a group of veterans who wanted to continue PT and military exercises to stay sharp and in shape. I quickly realized that it was a sneaky attempt to recruit right-wing nuts hellbent on forming militias. I immediately resended my membership. It went directly against my oath to protect and defend the Constitution and the American way of life.

[@janwag6856]

Integrity intact.👍

[@nightlightabcd]

Thank you for being a patriotic American, instead of a treasonous, anti-American, Russian agent Trump supporter and his Treasonous republican Party and their fascist propagandist!

[@cueball7428]

Totally thanks for service. I was in the NewYork State National Guard 50 yrs ago and if I had been contacted by anybody like those guys I would have told them to get lost. Because of Vietnam and the draft in those days when you finally got out most guys I knew wanted nothing to do with any military other than legitimate veterans groups to have a couple beers on a Saturday night.

[@danielrobledo3132]

Thank you for thinking twice.

[@karennolte2992]

thanks for your service and taking your consitution al oath seriously

[@democratpatriot6752]

The division in this country will never heal unless it is acknowledged by most Americans that there was no "steal" but there was a "big lie".

[@justiceforus5358]

The division will never heal period. Look at the reality. It’s a cast chasm between radical GOP politics and culture war and Democratic principles, which they no longer have.

[@TheHungryHoneyBadger]

How do you deprogram the Trumpers?

[@democratpatriot6752]

@@TheHungryHoneyBadger In the end, you believe what you want to believe.

[@dudleyvandergriff8174]

America IS a big lie. Death to Democracy.

[@thefisherking78]

There was only an attempted steal. We stopped it! 😎😁👍

[@sueblanton]

The thought of pardoning the little people never even occurred to him as he is a malignant narcissist.

[@kathywedzik4905]

Yep. A malignant narcissist grandiose

[@truejustice5160]

When people like trump and the proud boys, O keepers. Deep down they don't trust each other.so turn on them first they are on there own now Trump will say never heard of them

[@lorettanericcio-bohlman567]

A sociopath as well

[@charlesandrews2360]

It would have been a bad move to pardon the people you're going to pin it on. Stewart should understand all this. Did you say he went to Yale? The one in Connecticut?? Seems like all the worst human beings in this country, people like Donald trmp and Ted Cruz and the other Republican leaders graduated from Ivy League schools. So the ivy league has been turning out some of the most disgraceful, immoral, unethical dishonest and disgustingly ignorant human beings on the planet. Those Republicans are the ones who brought the lunatic fringe right into the conservative mainstream. It's called the MACM, Modern American Conservative Movement. It's comprised of four main elements, 1) Republican Party 2) Unified "Conservative Media " 3) Religeous Zealots 4) Ultra Nationalist Violent Extremism And the narrative that is completely controlled by the MACM is absolutely 100% driven by fear hatred and intolerance.

[@xtaticsr2041]

The sad fact is some of his supporters especially the religious know this rather well but they excuse it anyway. "God works in mysterious ways"

[@nicolas2970]

Mike Giglio is a fearless Journalist who is not afraid to bring attention to issues that need to be addressed he deserves a Nobel Award for Journalism

[@jeangillespie1173]

Amen!

[@felixmbandandayitabi4536]

It's called a Pulitzer or a Peabody prize

[@abocas]

Let me just say what my colleagues and I saw live on tv on Jan. 6. while at work in our Scandinavian country : we saw the former, defeated guy and his entourage inciting a ready mob. We looked at each other and agreed that this was not going to end well. And we saw that it didn't! It was so clearly an insurrection, a domestic terror attack. That is what we so clearly viewed .....

[@janedoe1146]

A lot of us watched and thought the same in the US.

[@uniquelylily1166]

Ugh the trolls are awake 🤔

[@uniquelylily1166]

Snow , ya we've all seen Trfufump incite the crowd. And yes it's on videotape. And only Christopher Wray has testified before Congress that I've ever seen and I watch them all on C-Span not online.

[@uniquelylily1166]

I believe it abocas. Outsiders sometimes see things others don't about other countries. We had a good idea but never thought what happened would ever occur. He'll be in prison. It will take time but I'm sure many people have already cut deals for themselves.

[@cremebrulee4759]

Thank you. It is good to hear from citizens of other countries who have a different perspective. To know that you saw what so many of us saw is reassuring.

[@j.dunlop8295]

"If you can get people to believe absurdities, they can be made to commit atrocities!" V.

[@rtqii]

Putin's domestic playbook for the Ukraine invasion.

[@diamondsndregs]

Excellent interview. I agree with him that we Americans need to recognize the alarms going off in our own country.

[@regwells615]

And they are self sabatoshing by not vaccinating.

[@thewholeworldisbeautiful]

The majority of us recognize what they were doing and if they chose to do it lock them up just like any other Criminal. I have no sympathy for this s***

[@alexphoenix9208]

Too many American's are deeply seated in "belief" over fact. You can thank evangelical religion.

[@aesea57804]

@@alexphoenix9208 I’d say we can thank the public education system for valuing “beliefs” over facts, with its shift away from “absolutes”, ie facts, truths.

[@alexphoenix9208]

@@aesea57804 Maybe. I see religion as a bigger driving force for that than the "school system". Schools teach what people want them to.

[@shirleyhill2982]

Imagine having a law degree from Harvard and still being incapable of the critical thinking required to distinguish between truth and deception and political manipulation. Rhodes will likely go to jail

[@shirleyhill2982]

Rhodes will go to jail as a proxy for Trump et al, whom Rhodes trusted to have his back. Trump and his GOP enablers won't even smell the inside of a prison.

[@andybaldman]

Yale.

[@swhaht6807]

Hope so.

[@annconforti9294]

As he should. Many believed 45 and still do.

[@tenkloosterherman]

And rightly so.

[@cindyd.5507]

Who doesn't end up betrayed by Trump? The list is long

[@dustinbasurto7153]

Ivanka

[@jeangillespie1173]

Just a matter of time...

[@Okijuben]

@@dustinbasurto7153 Maybe. She may already feel betrayed by him. His children have all been exposed to a certain degree of financial and legal jeopardy over the years and it may begin to get worse. Nobody likes being constantly forced into depositions/forensic discovery. Whatever political connections/aspirations she and Jared have fostered over their past few years in the White House are all likely to be somewhat hinged on the perceived authoritative value of the name 'Trump' in the world. Daddy promises her a future in politics but then he turns around and does all this reckless stuff at the end to mess it all up. Just a thought...

[@deborahszczesniak3016]

Yes so far almost everyone has been betrayed by trump.and Trump is not offering pardons now to be nice or because he knows people that fought for him are upset.what I heard him say when he was encouraging his supporters to have a protest bigger than at 1/6 to protest against anyone who is going after him as investigating him for his business crimes and political he then said and if I win in2024 I'll give out pardons.he just wants people to fight for him again if he gets arrested and charged for his crimes.thats what he's doing.

[@pontificusvascillious5287]

evil ...

[@SOZO_xo]

I am so shocked that the leader of the Oath Keepers (not sure what oath they are keeping) *AND* the leader of the Proud Boys are both of Hispanic decent and still support white supremest. It’s insane.

[@michellem4287]

Token tools for the White Supremacists. If they win, they will be the first to go. #SUCKERS4TRUMP get what they deserve. They worship murder, chaos and want to use their guns on Americans, not our enemies, but fellow citizens. They have the same goals as the Manson Family. They are a death cult. Republican or American: you can't be both. Republicans stand for Sedition, Corruption and Anti-Democracy. #AbolishThe2ndSaveDemocracy #StopGOPFascism

[@jamesdolan4042]

I agree there is a lot ambiguity there, as there is a lot of ambiguity in the "people of color" add on. Maybe it has something to do with "libertarian", otherwise idk. Then again Mr Rhodes seems to have rejected his deep rooted heritage in every possible way, and colluded with the then presidential candidate, who opened his 2016 campaign by totally demonizing and insulting Mr Rhodes people. And of course ex President Trump got at least partly on keeping the migrant Mexicans out of America at all costs. Mr. Rhodes it seems has also given up his family name. Who knows.

[@IExpectedBSJustNotThisMuchBS]

Look at Steve Miller and the policies he pushed and he’s Jewish. SMH

[@jillsinanan6777]

Hitler's wanted the master race to be blue - eye blond, which he was not! Yet....

[@reprieveyouth8388]

I'm not..like love..hatred covers all bases

[@kimberlyrice4294]

Thank you for drawing the line clearly as to When the Oath Keepers were formed, "Right after Barak Obama was elected.".

[@thomascattington1660]

Right about the Birther in Chief was making the stupid stink that propelled him into office.

[@losvigil]

Except that is not true … Its been around since estoy 2000’s and was formed more as a reaction to George Bush, 9/11, the patriot act, government mass surveillance, the militarization of the police … Enrollment and media presence increased after barrack Obama was elected , and many white supremacist joined the ranks .. but there was also blowback to Obama passing the NDAA which further increased the power of the patriot act further eroding our 4th amendment protection

[@polarbearsrus6980]

That said it all... RACISTS!!!

[@autumnleaves8553]

Yep! It was about race.

[@whitenuttergoku7310]

Same with acknowledging Covid19 and opposing gun control. The fringe right ran the numbers and will support anything that disproportionately affect minorities

[@JustMeELC]

You can tell Christiane has been in too many war zones when she doesn't even flinch at air raid sirens!

[@diane9247]

Yes! I can't even remember how many decades I've seen her face in front of a dark cityscape with air raid sirens going off.

[@Plantbliss]

IKR?

[@michaelwiener477]

Yes I noticed that

[@brendawatkins6448]

😆

[@michaelstraughn6625]

That's funny! Trump, whom the Oathkeepers suppported, constantly challenged the constitution, which the Oathkeepers were pledged to defend.

[@czgator9000]

And still does, now he wants MAGA to attack teachers and fight to the death if necessary. If the GOP regain power in Congress the nightmare will just continue. None of them actually care about the Constitution except the right to run their mouths relentlessly and for any wacko to own guns. And I say that as a former Repubican of many decades. I do not even know who these people are today. The GOP in the majority are embarrassments to this country.

[@queensamara5898]

Thank you, these people are Putin Russian support. They want to dismantle the constitution not uphold it. The peaceful transition of power is in the constitution & they ignore that specific portion.

[@stephenhill2925]

These Freaks lie back to back some contradictory in the same sentence or paragraph, its about "FLOODING THE ZONE WITH SHIT" AS bannon COINED IN THE MOMENT WINGING IT LIKE THE worst AD LIBBERS IN HISTORY

[@michaelstraughn6625]

@@queensamara5898...Exactly!...How could those who claim they love the country and are patriotic ignore this and other portions of the constitution.

[@lisazabriskie4773]

“Their constitution” lol

[@marilynhoward380]

The conservative movement has gone off the trolley tracks and is careening off into madness.

[@jafrasar1]

The conservative movement has an ABSOLUTE lust for power.

[@danielrobledo3132]

It is true, and even some (maybe most of them) probably want to kill anyone that gets in their way.

[@jafrasar1]

@UCWs22sUMeY5YtSYbMqwjWEg … oh those promises, promises/-he knew he couldn’t deliver.. he just needed to deliver back to Pootin; using a favorite media play of Pootin. See the parallels yet?

[@bignardo95]

And into complete obscurity as humanity evolves.

[@jeangillespie1173]

Totally agree, off the rails!!

[@rathernotsay5629]

Rhodes as a Yale Law School graduate: proof positive that an Ivy League education can't buy morals or intelligence.

[@renzo6490]

Can any 'education' buy or instill morals or intelligence?

[@noeraldinkabam]

Duh.

[@michelekett8450]

Education begins at home, Ethics and integrity come from listening, learning and seeing the behaviour of your parents and the adults around you.

[@liabw05]

I would argue that the leader of the path keepers is a highly intelligent person. It takes a certain kind of charisma and smarts to be a leader of such a group and make cogent arguments to get people to follow you. Book smart vs. street smart.

[@renzo6490]

@@liabw05 I agree

[@jcoopes5604]

FYI: it’s primary season, register and vote 🗳! We cannot let them get control!

[@kellidinit3725]

I vote straight ticket blue. Always have.

[@lindas.martin2806]

Why aren’t these groups considered terrorist organizations, banned and more people involved and participating in the group arrested for fomenting terrorism, which is what January 6 was?

[@black_sheep_nation]

Because the democrats are good people who did nothing.

[@dsddala467]

Because they have too many sympathizers in the FBI, CIA and DOJ. They are "hesitant" to add to the Domestic Terrorist list.

[@nicolebrown1927]

Because they're white. Plain n simple!

[@trumptreason2189]

It's called "white privilege "

[@judithbradford9130]

Because the terrorists don't think they are terrorists, and law enforcement only goes after terrorists who are NOT white Christian right wingers; THEIR terrorism is called "traditional values" and consists in a social attitude of impunity for violence as long as it flows 'down' according to the prescribed hierarchy of abuse. It is the identification with this hierarchy of permitted violence that Trump accessed with all those stump speeches about how GREAT is was to see a cop beat a black kid, and telling cops NOT to be careful not to hurt people they arrest, and encouraging the beating of protestors and journalists who, he exulted, would have been "carried out in a BOX" in the 'good old days' (when Klan violence reigned). His cult is pretty exactly made up of the segment of America for whom the spectacle of bloodshed is devoutly to be wished, people who are enraged at the idea of anyone escaping punishment for their "inferior" traits; the sort who vote against social programs THEY THEMSELVES NEED unless they can make sure nobody "Else" gets any.

[@marijeangalloway1560]

Education by its very definition is supposed to enlighten people's minds, not darken them. It is appalling that someone with such a high level of education----from Yale, no less----should possess a mind so full of ignorance-fuelled bigotry that he would electively go down such a dark and dangerous path, recruiting others to go down it with him. It is also shocking that the son of a Mexican migrant woman should so despise that part of who he is as to actively support the platform of violent racism and xenophobia that lies at the foundation of radical right-wing militia groups like the Oathkeepers.

[@stephaniesass5173]

Not really surprising at all. He met like minded folks at Yale most less committed to wear the badge, but, I’m sure they helped fund the efforts of the oath keepers etc.

[@dividedconquered3784]

Reagan pushed to make collage more conservative and expensive! 🌷💚✌

[@dividedconquered3784]

Intellectuals is just a word!

[@gaenorharris-obrien9934]

Shocked.

[@GilmerJohn]

You seem to have the idea that all "educated" folks should agree with you.

[@HubertKirchgaessner]

They are traitors, not keeping an oath they made

[@kobra289]

The Brownshirts got betrayed too.

[@dougjenkins2542]

Every boy in our family served. The two oldest went to vietnam. The two youngest served in the middle east. We weren't drafted, we just did our duty.

[@chrisbaker3066]

We used to call them BROWNSHIRTS! Now we call them DEADSHITS!

[@enough_of_propaganda]

Sorry for my not perfect English: I am originally from Russia, but live for 18 years in Canada. I was born and lived in USSR as well. I have visited the USA many times in the past and noticed that the American society was marching towards USSR for many years. Despite some people mistakenly thought that USSR had communism, it was not true. USSR and Russia have never had communism or even socialism (a stage before communism). It has a totalitarianism or dictatorship. That is why it was so scary to see the signs of it in the American society. This is what happens when the country allows for years Russian state propaganda tools RT (Russia Today), Sputnik and so on to talk to over 80 million people in the USA. This is what happens when you elect a president who wants to be a dictator and who is telling lies to the people in his country. Of course, the man you are talking in the video expected his president to free him because Mr. Trump personally invited people to march to the Capitol (it is all in the video you showed a piece of). What other proofs of his guilt do you need? You elected a corrupted man to be your president. Mr. Trump did not hide that he is admiring Russian president Putin very much. He said so on many occasions and keep saying it even now. Look at the war in Ukraine. Look at Russians! Many of them still believe that either there is no war (they forbidden to even use the word “war”. Russians are calling it a “special operation”) or that Russians (who attacked Ukraine for no reason whatsoever) are good guys there! Every American (or other person) who is watching only one source of news and who is admiring so called “strong leaders” - look at Russia now. This will be YOUR future. If you will continue to show the USA and the world that your president Trump is above the law, if you allow some of your news spread the lies and get away with it, if you will continue to admire Putin - the butcher of Ukraine - this will be your future and it is coming. I hope that people in the USA will stop seeing each other as supporters of one party or another and finally will see each other as Americans. The division among you is supporting Putin. The people who divide you are bad people even if they are your politicians. Americans, unite! Please, help the world to stop the dictators. Help Ukraine and Russia. Help yourself.

[@peppertree8244]

👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻💖

[@debbievan8736]

Yes!

[@keilder8543]

Beautifully put. As a fellow Canadian, I cherish and value the diversity we have here, and the opportunities that it creates.

[@kevinwasserburger3119]

It's so disheartening that a population raised in the aftermath of WWII and with the multitude of examples of fascism and authoritarianism that preceded and ensued from it are either completely obtuse as to what is happening, or far more disturbing that they actually cheer it on.

[@shantiduree3036]

We didn’t vote him in that is what is frighten.

[@FuneraryGirl]

I have never heard Mike before. What a calm, clear, and brilliant man.

[@caroleekeith2823]

It amazies me how higher education can produce such ignorance.

[@deedy2858]

That's called an "educated fool".

[@michaelwiener477]

They were "ignorant " before higher education

[@Pretermit_Sound]

This is the result of many years of teaching nothing but American mythology, instead of actual history. Both have their roles, but if you strictly teach the mythology, you end up with people like S Rhoads who go through life with a hero-complex. People need to be prepared to fight for their country if there’s an actual threat that rises, but what happens when that threat never comes? You also need to be prepared to live a normal, peaceful life without conflict, which is what everyone deserves.

[@Pretermit_Sound]

@Angelo Balbi I know. It’s sickening that people like Hitler still exist today, in that they seem to hope for an excuse to be violent. Everyone has this fantasy of being a “hero”. People seem to forget that in order to be a hero, something bad has to happen to someone else. I don’t understand it. 😔

[@Pretermit_Sound]

@Angelo Balbivery insightful 😌 you strike me as a bibliophile, and full-time thinker like myself. Thanks for an interesting conversation 😊

[@Pretermit_Sound]

@Angelo Balbi I will check it out. Thanks ✌🏻

[@emmawillard1832]

This is a replay of the Confederate myth which evolved from the Reconstruction effort which failed because of that myth: the "Lost Cause" of heroes -- generals and their leaders and leadership and the post Civil War worship of them -- together with a gentile and "civilized" Southern plantation ideology which supported the myth that the "down trodden whites" who "lost" the "cause" shed their blood doing nothing more than challenging federalism which threatened their entire way of life and the economic means by which they supported that life and gentility. All part of what Matt G identifies as "American mythology." The dangers of supporting and promoting those myths is demonstrated by Rhodes et al.

[@Pretermit_Sound]

@@emmawillard1832 yep. Exactly, and this is what all of these loud mouthed parents who show up at school board meetings want taught to the country’s children so they can keep perpetuating these myths through the new generations. Unfortunately they’re succeeding in some states. 😓

[@ticnatz]

Autocratic mindsets don't care about human suffering, and indeed relish the opportunity to inflict suffering. We are barely out of the Stone Age......

[@k33k32]

That's what I struggle with...we're not that free right now ...and they want less? I guess is what they want is freedom for white(ish) men and no one else? I guess they just want to be the boot on our necks.

[@deepdoodle1]

Pardons huh? I thought “America’s Liar In Chief” said there were no insurrectionists at the Capitol January 6th …..

[@joanneleddick4857]

No crimes...NO pardons!?!

[@Happybidr]

We discussed the pardons that never came for this group with a pardons expert and concluded that Trump realized that if he pardoned anybody in this group, they would then be unable to avoid having to cooperate with any prosecutors going after Trump after he left office. Trump is always - ALWAYS - about self interest.

[@johnabreau2207]

Oath Keeper say their purpose is to defend the Constitution. The detail they keep silent is that the Constitution they defend is the Constitution of the Confederacy, not the Constitution of the United States.

[@MaryGarcia-rn3do]

That is the best explanation I've read. I hope u you will allow me to use it

[@johnabreau2207]

@@MaryGarcia-rn3do Sure, feel free to use it.

[@nelumkalachuchi1154]

Give the detail contents of the constitution of Confederation

[@johnabreau2207]

@@nelumkalachuchi1154 ARTICLE IV, Sec. 3, part 3: "(3) The Confederate States may acquire new territory; and Congress shall have power to legislate and provide governments for the inhabitants of all territory belonging to the Confederate States, lying without the limits of the several Sates; and may permit them, at such times, and in such manner as it may by law provide, to form States to be admitted into the Confederacy. In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected be Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States." That's one of many references making the institution of slavery sacred to the Confederacy. The Confederacy mostly copied the U.S. Constitution, but made changes to reflect their conviction that the Founding Fathers were mistaken in one very important respect: all races of men were created UNEQUAL, that the "white race" was inherently superior to all others, and that slavery was the only proper role for "Negroes".

[@bostonlinuxandunix]

@@nelumkalachuchi1154 In case it wasn't clear, my initial comment was tongue-in-cheek. The reality is that the Oath Keepers are part of the same population that comprised the Confederacy a century and a half ago. Their ancestors were called "Dixiecrats" when they dominated the Democratic Party, until LBJ passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and then Nixon convinced them to switch en masse to the Republican Party. Since then, they've been known under a variety of names, including neoconservative, Tea Party, MAGA, Trump loyalists, etc., and over the decades they've grown more and more batshit crazy.

[@intercat4907]

I'm retirement age. My White supremacist grandfather would have equally hated President Obama, Enrique Tarrio and Rhodes for being Hispanic/half Mexican, my Jewish grandmother (yes, my grandfather's own wife) and their seven kids, and Mr Giglio for being Italian-American. There is no low too low, no hate too great, and no limit to the viciousness. And yeah, Rhodes was mentored/led by a White woman who is married to a Black man. It doesn't even slow them down.

[@MaryGarcia-rn3do]

Your grandfather so much hate how sad. God created all of us he does not make mistakes. Every culture is beautiful 😍 with it's own language music talents. We all have something to offer maybe not wealth but other things that money cannot buy. If only we could see it in each other. I am happy to say we're the united nations at our house.

[@intercat4907]

@@MaryGarcia-rn3do Hi, Mary. Glad to hear from you; glad you and your household are part of our big, messy, beautiful world.Living well isn't just the best revenge, it's the best answer.

[@jacquelynhollinger4006]

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[@MrEerwin]

Thanks for the excellent, waay above average, journalism that this show provides. Keeping focus can be difficult with today's media, and here you are a rare clarion amid a clamorous din. I love that you are reporting on this from Kyiv.

[@mikeybarboza3086]

Those sirens in the background behind Mrs. Amanpour are haunting man peace and love be with the Ulranians

[@vietto4378]

Trust in Trump? Isn’t that an oxymoron?

[@philiphorner31]

No. But you are.

[@IExpectedBSJustNotThisMuchBS]

@@philiphorner31 Not clever… yours is the response of an 8 year old.

[@et5895]

@@philiphorner31 Yes I am, & so is your mom. Interesting gal she is.

[@colinyandon6137]

That's every kind of moron.

[@bjbj3853]

I find it interesting that Sidney Powell has enough cash to pay for her own many legal defenses AND the Oath Keepers head. Where did all this money come from? I’m sure Dominion wants to know.

[@ShirleeKnott]

i'm going out on a limb here and guessing one might find fingerprints of a Ginny on this money trail

[@tenak7278]

Ginni and her people, of course. Is there something else that is behind Ginni? Russia's goal and always been is to demolish our democracy. They are experts in disinformation. Ginni wrote a list of them to disseminate. Did she get radicalized by them or did she seek help? There are many in sheep's clothing out there.

[@signalfire6]

Powell posted fundraising appeals starting from the election on. Thing is, she's burning all the money she's going to need to prevail against Dominion and she's likely to be disbarred, possibly indicted. Seems like all the people who might be sympathetic to her are probably getting tapped out by now. Hundreds of thousands of Trump loving Republicans have died of Covid after believing the lies about THAT. Whole families have been decimated and the survivors certainly won't be worrying about voting for their favorite Republicans any more.

[@dustinbasurto7153]

Mike Pillow, Tina Peters and Ginny Thomas are the nexus of the turd burglaries.

[@jeangillespie1173]

Follow the money!

[@AndiGalpern]

Amazing interview. Really profound and worth watching.

[@PamOrl]

That this mindset is being echoed by high ranking meme era of govt should send a chill down all out spines. Vote like our democracy depends on you....because it does.

[@Tia-to2qc]

Illuminating conversation, both questions and answers were fascinating…chilling and quite disturbing sadly.

[@donna777lynn]

I completely agree. I wish the right wing of our democracy would open their eyes to what is being created

[@AmanpourandCompany]

Thanks for tuning in. We appreciate you.

[@jeangillespie1173]

Horrifying!!!

[@sumernoel1553]

Wow, this is profound. This interview perfectly sums up what we’ve been through & what we are seeing that is confounding. I see it not just on tv, but in neighbors & my close community. It’s the thing that has truly scared me the most. Thank you for this information & I will be sharing and sounding the alarm as much as I can. (I have been already but few want to hear it)

[@poemsnow4898]

me too

[@raystanczak4277]

Same here-and I’ve got a BIG mouth!

[@cbrashsorensen]

Few want to hear it. Rather, "Did you hear that Kendall Jenner wants to change her son Wolf's name as it just doesn't seem to fit him anymore? And WHAT about that Will Smith and how he sullied the Oscars? It is SO hard to get anyone to do work anymore. Any ideas for a lawn crew?"

[@sumernoel1553]

@@cbrashsorensen I simply cannot entertain these trivial things. I don't know how people can right now. We are at war & our democracy is hanging by the precipice. Nothing is more important than that IMO.

[@robinbanks66]

If the REPUBLICUNT PARTY isn't brought under control then AMERICA will end up like RUSSIA living under a DICTATOR.

[@doriwilson6991]

Roger Stone was hanging out with the oath keepers before the attack on the Capitol. He has miraculously abandoned them now.

[@trinidad2450]

Michel Martin is a phenomenal interviewer; she asks very insightful questions.

[@apbpa5042]

This was an excellent interview.

[@AmanpourandCompany]

Thanks for tuning in. We appreciate you!

[@andyroo9381]

Why are so many veterans falling into this trap? What happened to these men and women who fought for our country? Can anyone explain why?

[@pdoylemi]

Because we have no political tests in our recruitment. Also, we have no civics training to explain to them what the oath means and what is actually IN the Constitution before they take the oath. To many, it is like the Bible - they've never really read it (other than selected parts) don't know what is in it, but worship it. And there are educational failures - often intentional. For example, the Texas GOP has a party platform demanding a ban on the teaching of higher order critical thinking skills because they "challenge fixed beliefs, and undermine authority".

[@earthshinerush3842]

Racism and white supremacy runs deep in the US military.

[@pdoylemi]

@@earthshinerush3842 Sad to say, yes to a certain extent. But it is hard to get a handle on. As a vet, I know several people that I was pretty sure had racist ideas, but they seemed to have the backs of their POC comrades as much as anyone. I suspect it is a form of mental compartmentalization - their black and brown buddies were "the good ones". But overall, such people were not good.

[@waitwhat3588]

Because the only televised “news” the troops see overseas is Fox.

[@puellamservumaddominum6180]

GOP

[@miketrusky476]

A TRAITOR being betrayed by a TRAITOR.

[@TheSuzberry]

Why isn’t this guy in jail?

[@andrewfarrell6120]

When we talk about "civil war" in this country we always think in terms of The Civil War or the War of the States; splintering along geographical lines with opposing armies. That kind of war will never happen in the US again. In point of fact, we are already in the midst of a civil war. The battles aren't being fought on fields. They are and will continue to escalate in capitol buildings, statehouses, voting stations. Sometimes they are violent. Other times they take the form of radical right gerrymandering and packing the courts with sympathetic judges.

[@carmencortelyou9463]

I think you are spot on.

[@jacqdanieles]

Correct. The eventual result will be a "democratically elected" government that rubber stamps the wishes of an authoritarian leader. Just like how the Duma support Putin's "special operation".

[@contraryMV]

I think you're right, no actual hot war, dummies just hand power to these tyrants.

[@Prinzenelleke]

Exactly. And don’t forget the systematic spreading of lies and misinformation. Those are deliberate acts of war.

[@O1OO1O1]

The civil war never ended. A cease fire was called, but other battles continued.

[@omegamale5392]

You feel betrayed by Trump? Dang, you must not know Trump as well as everybody else does.

[@IExpectedBSJustNotThisMuchBS]

Seriously… how they haven’t seen that loyalty goes in one direction.

[@danettelamonicaDFSP]

His mom is a migrant??? By his standard, does he have the right to defend a country he should not be a member of because of his mother's citizenship status? The hypocrisy is limitless. Fools are always betrayed by a con man.

[@danasams3539]

I am shocked to find out his mother comes from a family of migrant workers. Wow, what in gods name happened to him?

[@denillefleming2942]

Deny at all costs!

[@swill1020]

If anyone expects loyalty from Trump they think pretty high of themselves. Trump throws his own spawn under the bus, his own most loyal soldiers under the bus. Michael Cohen spent 3 years on trump’s behalf. So to think you can get trump’s loyalty you’re being either naive or think too high of yourself

[@czgator9000]

Or just plain dumb.

[@alenelevin1757]

Yes.

[@kallivino8346]

Someone read " The Prince " to Trump and then explained it with pictures.

[@tracymorgan5386]

Michael Cohen spent more than 20 years on trumps behalf and trump threw him under the bus, Rudy knew him for more than 35 years and trump threw him under bus, that stupid account who started working for trumps father more than 50 years ago is on the verge to get thrown under the bus etc. it’s amazing and delusional that these right wing groups think trump has their backs.

[@jeangillespie1173]

Trump is a corrupt, traitor megalomaniac exactly like Putin. Evil enough to do whatever it takes!

[@johnnafunkhouser5999]

Great conversation I learned a lot of new information. Thanks for carrying this

[@AmanpourandCompany]

Thanks for tuning in. We appreciate you!

[@felichia808]

@@AmanpourandCompany Very Excellent interview with Mr. Giglio. Many commentors assume Mr. Giglio is Rhodes, you should have put Mr. Giglio's name under his pictures or included it in the title.

[@coci2729]

Wait , Wait, you mean to tell me their leader is Mexican? LMAO , you just can't make this stuff up.

[@MartineReed]

Just one correction on Stewart Rhodes educational accomplishments: His wife had said that she wrote his papers and did his work so that he would graduate. It is safe to say that without the services of his physically and emotionally abused wife and mother of his children, he would not have graduated from college. Look up his son’s interviews on KZbin: Dakota Adams (he took his mother’s maiden name as the result of the abuse he suffered during childhood.) Oh, and according to both the wife and son, he shot his eye out with a vintage pistol while driving a known meth dealer around Las Vegas years ago, not while “training” people in the use of firearms.

[@michaelwiener477]

Very interesting Thanks

[@MartineReed]

@@michaelwiener477 Actually, his wife had corrected me on this. Although she did write his papers and save him from failing classes, she defended him from this particular criticism. You can watch some interviews of both wife and son on YT. Search for Dakota Adams and Tasha Adams with keyword Stewart Rhodes. So very interesting, especially his son’s stories. He is quite brilliant.

[@meafordmichael]

The OAF CREEPERS got thrown under the bus by Trump? My, what a surprise …..

[@shawnmurray9964]

And continues to dangle the same carrot that he already passed on, lol, and they keep chasing it, it’s madness!!!

[@alenelevin1757]

😁😃😊☺🙂🤗😄😅

[@Schooner77]

Who would of thought

[@nancy9891]

Trump continues to support Putin and all autocratic governments.

[@bobroberts7643]

Republicans and fox also

[@nancy9891]

@@bobroberts7643 So sad that the USA will turn into Hungary or Russia. Unbelievable but possible.

[@Schooner77]

Jimmy Kimmel : there's no one more harder for Putin than trump

[@hypsyzygy506]

If your recruitment policy is targeting police and military, you are obviously building a paramilitary organisation. Call it a private army. What are you going to use it for? Against which "enemy"?

[@VampieNotTrampy]

Love the ensemble Ms. Amanpour. You look tres chic. Glad to see you back, you are my favorite journalist ❤️.

[@Starfish2145]

He came from a family of Mexican migrant laborers but his name is Stuart Rhodes?

[@Lcubed100]

Follow the money

[@francespueo5367]

Thank you for the clarity of the origin of this starting in 2009.

[@MsThebeMoon]

"Donald Trump who used to support Vladimir Putin during his own presidency" --- Perfect way to introduce the 45th. I know you can't say "traitor" or "terrorist" but "used to support Vladimir Putin" still works for me. Thank you.

[@fairalways]

Understanding behavior, and what constitutes the boundaries of normal and abnormal personality, aren't things one learns in school, nor for that matter sufficiently in the course of a normal life. So disorder is something poorly understood when encountered by most people. "Education" as we think of it aren't schools of emotional intelligence, nor is general "intelligence" a simple proxy for emotional intelligence. Even a mental health 'education" has "D" students. Yet it's that 'examined life" where one can find what constitutes honest self, varieties of behavior, and where behavior can lead, both personally and within groups. AND, what constitutes extreme, dangerously disordered behavior. Trump is an extremely dangerously disordered BEAST. He was already ready to be martyred before he became president by people holding identifiable varieties of behaviors. And many of those behaviors lead inevitably to a populist, militant demonizing of "modern people". It's a commonly repeated behavioral history. In our time, our behavioral version is outlined by an anti-intellectual/anti-science/anti-humanist/pro-fascist/pro-dogma media power, and a bestial, dangerously disordered political power. They rhyme sickeningly with the worst of historical examples, as they reached some form of obliterative violence. RING THE ALARM.

[@sumernoel1553]

THIS! 👆👆👆 This is exactly what I’ve been trying to express for so long now but you did it so much better. Unfortunately, I’ve seen personality disorders up close & personal (that’s another story for another time;). It bothers me when people throw around the term “narcissist “ for anyone who may be a little self centered. THIS IS NOT THE SAME THING! True narcissism is a catastrophic, malignant personality disorder. But unless you’ve experienced it first hand, most never see it coming until you’ve been run over, left lying on the side of the road with nothing, & left wondering WTF just happened? I’ve seen it in small circles which is damaging enough. But seeing this malignancy on a grand scale shakes me to my core. Very Hitleresque. We must come to terms with the fact that our country is being mind effed by media, dirty politicians, very sick individuals, & those seeking power by any means necessary.

[@michaelwiener477]

Yup

[@brendaoneill1581]

@@sumernoel1553 1000000000% agree!!!! ...I realized personally the reprocussions of a Narcissist is in the Truest sense, personally over a decade ago...... I also learned their so called "playbook" AND what "gaslighting" is and when and how it's used ....TRUMP is the equivalent of a SERIAL sociopathic narcissist to his fundamental being!

[@uwcb1]

We are in so much trouble.

[@navarroadams1112]

"ALL REPUBLIKLANS MAY NOT BE RACISTS BUT ALL RACISTS VOTE REPUBLIKLAN"

[@mariaczubernat6634]

Vetting for police and millitary should be much much stricker to eliminate nuts from joining.

[@mijiyoon5575]

*Ever Vigilant* 🌊💙

[@WayOfAges]

Demagogues appeal to about a third of any random population. Another third can’t tell the difference and are easily swayed. The Electoral College was instituted to marginalize this element and keep demagogues out of the Oval Office. That’s not working anymore. It’s counterproductive to treat these actors as rational people making bad decisions. We simply need a new way to marginalize them. We need psychoanalytical bars to public office.

[@bobroberts7643]

Who says who is crazy

[@sattwa2]

When we consider the shenanigans involved on Jan. 6 and then the law enforcement challenges in response I have concerns this virus has reached even into FBI and other vital arms of our federal government.

[@losvigil]

Yes … it has all been corrupted .. Oathkeepers along with the entire militia movement has been around since early 2000’s and was formed more as a reaction to George Bush, the undeclared wars in Afghanistan and Iraq , corrupt politicians, 9/11, the patriot act, government mass surveillance, the militarization of the police … Enrollment and media presence increased after barrack Obama was elected , and many white supremacist joined the ranks , which is where things started to go off the rails .. but there was also considerable blowback to Obama passing the NDAA which further increased the power of the patriot act further eroding our 4th amendment protection ….

[@rebeccaw.817]

He has just hit the VERY thing I have dealt with for several years with military clients, caught up in Trunk Bravado through his use of Pathos Rhetoric, and who bellow about that Oath! I have had to walk them through the errors of how THAT OATH DOES NOT GIVE THEM: The ability to determine WHO is an enemy of the U.S.; to rob an enemy of the person's Due Process of Law before they summarily execute the person for what THEY determine is a need to "defend" the nation from that enemy because THEY decide the enemy is "burning federal property," when WE DO NOT EXECUTE PEOPLE in the U.S. for the commission of property crimes (Cruel and Unusual Punishment) and other disregard of the Constitution. It is just nuts!

[@johng496]

Trunk or Trump Bravado?

[@rebeccaw.817]

@@johng496 Trunk. That is what the SNL character "Cathy Anne" calls him - "Donnow Trunk, Al Franco, Mick McDonall, and more..." I like those names.

[@lulu-cx5dv]

the Tea Party, yes, were the seed

[@winkieblink7625]

Feel betrayed? That’s the way the cookie crumbles when you believe in Trump. The Oath Keepers are the domestic enemy……not a foreign. Good interview.

[@Mike-rk8px]

Stewart Rhodes should’ve just stick to digging all of those tunnels in his yard for him to hide or escape in, he’d be in a lot less trouble.

[@edm0000]

Thank you very much for your simple steps explaining the Oath Keepers. They seem to be emotionally disconnected from reality

[@marthell6159]

Oath Keepers? The leader couldn’t even keep his own eye.

[@annconforti9294]

Hes some sort of firearms "Specialist" and shot his own eye out!

[@marthell6159]

@@annconforti9294 😂

[@cynthiajohnston9065]

To have a trial, you have to plea "not guilty". "Not guilty" is not synonymous with innocent. They are saying that by the letter of the law, they have not committed a crime. Remember OJ?

[@heidihogshire]

I don't get it ...

[@cynthiajohnston9065]

@@heidihogshire In a criminal trial, you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the accused did the crime. IF there is a reasonable doubt, they are considered "not guilty". OJ couldn't put the leather gloves on. Hence, his attorney's famous quote, "If the gloves don't fit, you must aquit." OJ all but admitted he killed his ex-wife. However, the gloves provided reasonable doubt. Another example. You are riding a bike and fall, destroying a neighbor's flower bed. You are not guilty of intentional vandalism, because there was no intention. You did destroy the flowers, but intent must be present for there to be a crime and a guilty verdict.

[@peppertree8244]

An oath to fight tyranny. '[The president] of China is smart because he runs his country with an iron fist.' Admiring this sounds exactly like a fan and proponent of tyranny. Did Obama recently say that? Imagine the uproar that would cause. Actually, Trump just said that at his recent Michigan rally. You can see him saying it with your own eyes. Doesn't that register as a tyrannist statement to those claiming to fight against tyranny?

[@matig7882]

Yup thanks for the coverage. 👍👍

[@bobux1987]

They are literally Oath Breakers.

[@pperk1219]

Why would he trust Trump?

[@danielrobledo3132]

I know, how pathetic.

[@blackknight3496]

And why wouldn't he you trust that potato mass brain idiot in the white house at the moment

[@vietto4378]

Short answer? Because Trump is white.

[@jacqdanieles]

Why do cult followers trust the cult leader? Same answer.

[@blackknight3496]

@@jacqdanieles if DJT is a cult.leader then where do i sign up!!!he showed more balls than any other president in the last 16 years and really was America so so bad under him xompared to today

[@ambassador8524]

They were played like pawns by a rich NYC business man/reality TV star. Roads was playing a movie in his own head and doesn’t like the way it ended.

[@grannypantsification]

It would be fascinating to hear from one of them what “conservative values” means to them. It would be fascinating to learn whether they benefit more from actual conservatism or from liberal policies. How do they justify that in their minds? Do they work for a salary or receive some sort of pension (military or disability) and do they realize those are liberal policies? I think they have confused traditional with conservative. Just like they have confused tribalism with patriotism. I’m tired of people co opting words and corrupting them to be unusable by anyone else. Family values for instance. We all have family values. We just have a broader definition of family.

[@cindyriehm7411]

You hit my nail on the head!! Thank you for saying what I've been Thinking.

[@cindyriehm7411]

Yes again... i cant use words i used to without having th o think.. what does it mean today... heck just make up a new darn word or preface it with something so i know what they mean!

[@bh-zj4yt]

Injured in a paratrooper training and then went on to shoot himself in the eye with his own gun……😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣

[@swhaht6807]

Legend in his own mind are you inferring?

[@bh-zj4yt]

@@swhaht6807 yes

[@michelebenedosso3899]

Yes, I heard that too. I saw an interview with his ex-wife and grown up son who proceeded to describe how he did it by mistake.

[@raybin6873]

Strange how DJT did not *keep his oath* ...to defend /protect the US Constitution. "Oathkeepers" is just a BS word.

[@losvigil]

I don’t think dJT has even read the constitution nor the federalist papers … he has no respect for nor understanding of the constitution

[@sarahoshea9603]

How can you be betrayed by someone who's never been loyal to anyone in his life? A liar and a grifter is just the kind of flea you get up with for lying with hateful dogs.

[@grannypantsification]

When they say “tyranny” the mean “our side lost”

[@marceldagenais1893]

Under the Trump bus they go !

[@jasonpeters617]

OMG I'm crying watching this young man right now. This is the first time in a long time that I'm seeing someone from the other side of where I feel I'm at, and watching him explain how he sees things for what they truly are now, it's beautiful, and I never ever thought I'd see this. We need to find more people like him, to help get through to more of them!! They are our fellow Americans, even though we may think they are crazy and dangerous, I'd love to know that a big wakeup could happen and alot of this craziness dissapates... 🙏

[@deea6240]

Was a 17-minute story to much to sit through? This is NOT Stuart Rhodes. This is Mike Giglio, the journalist who interviewed Rhodes multiple times and wrote a book about him.

[@susanficenec1633]

Fantastic interview. Thank you

[@AmanpourandCompany]

Thanks for tuning in. We appreciate you!

[@mullethead1435]

Tax break for the Rich Republicans.....and Golfing is his claim to fame. And he cheats at that too!!

[@ShadowFoxSF]

Supposedly meant to protect against foreign AND DOMESTIC enemies... Proceeds to BE a domestic enemy... Sounds about GQP.

[@thefisherking78]

LMFAO..... imagine trusting #45 for anything 😂

[@stevelewis9883]

This can't be the first time they have did this ,are they the ones that went it to Portland Or and started a riot.

[@gloriousdorado1009]

This groups never suffer in their lives

[@stephrainspirite9985]

Yale? Mexican??? Im SO shocked!!!

[@jewellcharles1093]

Someone needs to remind them of FLIGHT 93 and how they have dishonored 44 Heroes SAVED THE CAPITOL.

[@renafielding945]

Aww. How awful for scoundrels to be betrayed by scoundrels.

[@ChristiaanHartNibbrig]

Superb interview. Thanks.

[@bobapbob5812]

I’m surprised the Oath Keepers don’t wear brown shirts

[@michaelwiener477]

They will soon enough

[@joedavenport2477]

Amazing interview. Top notch journalism.

[@poetry7260]

How could he not see that he was being used? It boggles my mind.

[@morebirdsandroses]

It's really wonderful to hear fact based news and perspective on these really alarming trends. I keep wondering what this Constitution is exactly that they are so militant about. Doesn't add up. On a lighter note, this do is really suiting M. Martin👌