AMAZING 250+ Watts of Micro Hydro Power Off Grid

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Land to House

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@LandtoHouse
@LandtoHouse 3 жыл бұрын
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@yoshisaidit7250
@yoshisaidit7250 3 жыл бұрын
I love these, but I fear that they will freeze up in winter colder climates. only reason I havent looked into them that much.
@dragasan
@dragasan 3 жыл бұрын
Hey brother, where were you several years ago when İ lived in Bakersville?
@kerryb2689
@kerryb2689 2 жыл бұрын
57 ft head flow through a 5/8" nozzle = 55 gpm 55 gpm * 8.34 lb/gallon * 57 ft head / 60 seconds / 550 ft lb/hp = 0.79 HP available. 0.79 hp * 3/4 kw/hp = 0.59 kw 0.250 / 0.59 = 42% efficiency - not bad for a small system, but could be better. You will have about 12.5 ft head friction loss through 1000 ft of 4" pipe @150 GPM. Pressure (and flow through the nozzle) will change based on head pressure, so a bigger nozzle is self regulating as far as nozzle flow is concerned, because the head in the pipe will change. The manufacturer should have chart for turbine efficiency based on pressure and flow so that can be optimized. You can vent the pipe to eliminate air with a 'T' a few feet of fall below the intake. (this may not work if head falls below the T, and may depend if there are any flat spots lower down.)
@kishdogg1594
@kishdogg1594 2 жыл бұрын
How much is a turbine like this setup?
@ThisRandomUsername
@ThisRandomUsername 3 жыл бұрын
I haven't finished the video yet, so I could be wrong: it might be an idea to use Watt hours instead of Watts for units of energy. Watts is instantaneous power, while Watt hours is total energy produced over a time period.
@LandtoHouse
@LandtoHouse 3 жыл бұрын
I suppose saying 600 W is a bit click bait. So I changed the title to w hours.
@mog5858
@mog5858 3 жыл бұрын
come on everyone know's Voltage is the "best" measure of power lol
@workbenchz
@workbenchz 3 жыл бұрын
@@LandtoHouse 6KWh/day is still quite impressive.
@twistidclowns
@twistidclowns 3 жыл бұрын
Thats exactly what a watts are, joules per second lol. but I know what you mean.
@start7047
@start7047 3 жыл бұрын
@@LandtoHouse Saying "AMAZING 6000 Watt Hours of Micro Hydro Power" is not at all ..
@Der_Arathok
@Der_Arathok 3 жыл бұрын
6000 Watts a day != 6000 Watt/hour thats 250 Watt hours. I'd recommend exchanging the title. Otherwise, nice build as always!
@matukaz
@matukaz 3 жыл бұрын
It is misleading for sure. 6000w/h is enough for everything in house. Other just for TV.
@LandtoHouse
@LandtoHouse 3 жыл бұрын
I added the "per day" so its accurate.
@Der_Arathok
@Der_Arathok 3 жыл бұрын
@@LandtoHouse thank you very much Seth! I know you only mean well!
@matukaz
@matukaz 3 жыл бұрын
@@LandtoHouse yeah didn't want to sound mean :) never the less it's cool project
@carstenk2552
@carstenk2552 3 жыл бұрын
Good video as always but, unfortunately, now it's not only misleading but wrong. :/ Watt times hours is energy, in units: watt hours, Joules or calories if you want. Watts is a unit of power, like horsepower. If you say my car has 150hp per day, that's just wrong. Sorry,
@KingFreakazoid7
@KingFreakazoid7 2 жыл бұрын
This man is living my dream! God bless! thanks for the video
@randr10
@randr10 3 жыл бұрын
Speaking of tweaks, you should talk to someone who builds hot rods if you want to get some ideas about how to reduce flow resistance with the shapes of your piping. I've always wondered how much loss you get through a PVC pipe fittings because they are not designed particularly well for flow. They have ridges that naturally form at the point where the end of the pipe and shoulder inside the bore meet. You want smooth smooth smooth the whole way through if you can. Also, the actual shapes of the angles aren't ideal either. You don't ever want to see a complete 90 degree turn in such a short radius. You want a nice wide sweep in any directional changes. I'd be interested to see what a nice 1 into 2 collector designed basically the reverse of an engine header collector. Have someone fab one up out of stainless and see if you get any improvements in flow. I think you would. Also, in those places where you have 45 degree fittings, you could heat the pipe up enough to bend it and get a sweeping turn that way. PVC can be formed like this at a relatively low temperature. When I was laying my irrigation pipe I used a heat gun to get the turns I wanted rather than using fittings because it was just easier to make them conform to the hillside that way. Granted it was only 3/4" schedule 40, but I'm sure there's a way to get it done with the bigger pipe. The last thing I'd look at is the straight fittings of the PVC itself. I'm not sure how you'd get this done, but you'd basically need a street type setup like they use in PVC conduit where the fitting would be built into the ends of the pipe and oriented so the female end would be upstream. There would still be a ridge there, but the female ends of those fittings are chamfered to reduce drag.
@sutank.6550
@sutank.6550 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with you... he should be show up the process, how to make it not just mumbling, I mean talking...
@bendaves77
@bendaves77 Жыл бұрын
Need to build a giant timber box about the size of 4 refrigerators. Intake the water and a foot or so above the bottom is your outtake. You also need a way to pull a slide up which will dump all water and debri from your trash box. Gridlessness shows a guys system that works wonderfully
@Teklectic
@Teklectic 3 жыл бұрын
Oh 6000 Wh, not Watts; I thought you installed some kind of monster turbine somehow.
@rakamlih
@rakamlih 2 жыл бұрын
the gentleman is a hard worker and busy with his work respect for him from algeria sahara greetings and good luck Erik nice work and smart Don't waste the water that roams to enjoy
@jamesdiyhomestead8263
@jamesdiyhomestead8263 3 жыл бұрын
This looks great. I have a small spring on my property and would love to do something like this.
@nosaltiesandrooshere7488
@nosaltiesandrooshere7488 3 жыл бұрын
👍 Danke fürs Hochladen! 👍 Thanks for uploading! 👍 Very good and beautiful, thank you! 👍 Sehr gut und schön, danke!
@jwsolarusa
@jwsolarusa 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome setup and thanks for sharing.
@LandtoHouse
@LandtoHouse 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching. Stay tuned for the walk through if his off grid yurt.
@andrewallason4530
@andrewallason4530 3 жыл бұрын
Just a thought regarding air in your pipe. I’m thinking that a T just before the Y section at your turbine, with a short section of vertical pipe , say 1’ high at the full diameter, then reducing to say 1” clear pipe which is capped. If you are getting significant air, it should be ‘caught’ in this pipe. If necessary, you can get air bleed valves ( a weighted float seals when there is no air in the pipe, but is lifted, sealing shut when there isn’t).
@dmickelsson
@dmickelsson 3 жыл бұрын
Love it. Will fix a similar system for my cabin! Thanks for the inspiration
@thomasponder8757
@thomasponder8757 3 жыл бұрын
Your 4 inch micro hydro at the reservoir, uses small sharp bins as you can get away with the water will flow better through a 22 angle multiple 90 than a 90 single bend. Use a multi-blade multi system on the shaft to get a stronger reaction to the flow for your alternator.
@GIBKEL
@GIBKEL Жыл бұрын
Amazing setup.
@edgargalagnara7297
@edgargalagnara7297 2 жыл бұрын
Im your biggest fan here in Philippines hope I'll get one of your hydro here. Thank you
@lemchesher311
@lemchesher311 3 жыл бұрын
Depending on flow and pipe size you need to figure entrance head of water to flow full in pipe. That is the problem at your inlet box
@aykpan471
@aykpan471 3 жыл бұрын
Молодец мужик
@obreti.svobodu
@obreti.svobodu 3 жыл бұрын
Отлично. Человек объясняет очень подробно, как всё работает.
@unforkyours3lf730
@unforkyours3lf730 2 жыл бұрын
Wow cool
@DocNo27
@DocNo27 3 жыл бұрын
Very nice!
@pareriksson3711
@pareriksson3711 3 жыл бұрын
Good that you make carbon free power, but I hope you think of the fish and the insects that uses the creek as a road.
@davidschwartz5127
@davidschwartz5127 3 жыл бұрын
The coffee pot is using the equivalent of almost 1 horsepower
@authbrannon
@authbrannon 2 жыл бұрын
Why not put a high volume pump before the hydro that way you get more power on the intake?
@brandonstahl3562
@brandonstahl3562 3 жыл бұрын
Somehow.... you can transform ac not dc but you can chainge pulsed currant
@Alpha1545
@Alpha1545 3 жыл бұрын
Let me say I love this concept. I would like to know how long does it take to recoup your electric money? Reason I ask, is just the plumbing pipe alone had to be a small fortune not to mention 1000 feet of 10-2. Then of course the generator. All the batteries and associated electronics plus the panels had to be somewhat expensive. Just looking over you're system what would a guy have to plunk out to get all the same stuff? I am just wondering and I mean no ill will. By the way the system looks well built so I gave it a thumbs up.
@lutomson3496
@lutomson3496 3 жыл бұрын
Nice system except I would have used 6 volt golf cart batteries like Trojan cheaper then those AGM batteries last longer as well...we ripped out all our AGM's and went back with flooded lead acid..much cheaper and more reliable...good luck great video
@Yan_DIY
@Yan_DIY Жыл бұрын
Mantap 👍👍
@julianherborn8225
@julianherborn8225 3 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't it be more efficient to convert from AC to DC directly at the Turbine? You could save one Wire and therefore use just one pair with higher cross section, and because of the higher voltage (over a factor of 2, caused by the rectifier) in your 1000 foot wire you could further reduce cable losses - please correct me if I'm wrong.
@mog5858
@mog5858 3 жыл бұрын
there's a good reason why AC is what is we use on the gird. AC is way better at long-distance transmission.
@gravelydon7072
@gravelydon7072 3 жыл бұрын
@@mog5858 Lower Voltage AC is. But Very High Voltage DC has shown that it works well for long distance transmission.
@xeigen2
@xeigen2 3 жыл бұрын
@@mog5858 AC transmission lines have traditionally been used because of the ease of stepping up and down voltages using transformers. A HVDC converter station is much much more expensive. It's also much easier to break AC because an AC arc self extinguishes due to passing zero volts. However in recent years, with advances in technology, more HVDC lines are being constructed to take advantage of the benefits of DC. 1. It requires only two conductors for transmission as compared to three conductors in an AC system. It is also possible to transmit power through only one conductor by using earth as a returning conductor causing much saving in conductor material. 2. Inductance, capacitance, phase displacement, and surge problems are eliminated in DC transmission. 3. There is no skin effect in DC. Therefore, the entire cross-section of the line conductor is utilized. Thus, the conductor offers less resistance. 4. Since there is no inductance and capacitance, the voltage drop in a DC transmission line is less than an AC line for the same sending end voltage and load. Therefore, a DC transmission line has better voltage regulation. 5. For the same working voltage, the potential stress on the insulation (in case of DC system is 70% (1/√2times) of that in the AC system. Hence, a DC line requires less insulation. 6. There is less corona loss in a DC line. 7. There are no stability problems and synchronizing difficulties in the DC transmission. For ultra long transmission lines HVDC is prefered. China built a 1,100 kV link in 2019 over a distance of 3,300 km with a power of 12 GW and has other 2000km lines. Brazil has several 2000km+ lines. There are many lines between european countries with many more proposed or under construction.
@mog5858
@mog5858 3 жыл бұрын
@@xeigen2 thank you for sharing. you bring up some good points. but with homeowners cost is going to be a the top of the most list and people are used to using AC.
@xeigen2
@xeigen2 3 жыл бұрын
@@mog5858 True but you must consider he is already converting to DC anyway because of the battery storage, so he already has bought everything he needs. It would make sense to move the rectifier at the generator side of the line. For the average home DC doesn't make any sense. But in this situation it does.
@malamamakumba8388
@malamamakumba8388 2 жыл бұрын
Can you add a stove to it?
@tonyc223
@tonyc223 Жыл бұрын
1000 ft of 10-2 romex? how much did that cost?
@GreatNW
@GreatNW 2 жыл бұрын
These systems are cool but how many amps do they make?
@LandtoHouse
@LandtoHouse 2 жыл бұрын
This system is right at 22 amps. Far too much for the wire that is being used in my opinion.
@LandtoHouse
@LandtoHouse 2 жыл бұрын
Woops I was thinking about another install. This system is doing 5amps.
@stevec7272
@stevec7272 3 жыл бұрын
Needs a stand pipe so the system can burp
@michealboxmansait3208
@michealboxmansait3208 2 жыл бұрын
Where to buy this turbines .
@DAH-ss1nu
@DAH-ss1nu 3 жыл бұрын
He's getting HUGE losses over 1000ft of wire at only 59v delivered under load. A quick calculation shows he's losing about 43% of his power. He needs to boost that up with a 1:4 transformer to at least 300v at the source and then transformer it back down just before the rectifier. You can see the loss from when it drops from 100v when idle to 59v under load.
@DAH-ss1nu
@DAH-ss1nu 3 жыл бұрын
Also, arent microhydro turbines 3 phase?
@FixItStupid
@FixItStupid 3 жыл бұрын
Saw That And More To Fix
@AaaBbb-rs9jz
@AaaBbb-rs9jz 3 жыл бұрын
300v should certainly pop the squirrels if they bit into it. And it would be a lot of dangerous volts to leave lying along a thousand feet of hillside especially as its a tripwire for all sorts of animals heading for a drink. 59v is plenty considering this.
@Paulie1232
@Paulie1232 3 жыл бұрын
Looks like a old hippie, did he share a joint with you and talk about where the universe ends...lol...
@LandtoHouse
@LandtoHouse 3 жыл бұрын
Ha no none of that. He was a fun guy to talk with.
@Befo4eGaming1
@Befo4eGaming1 3 жыл бұрын
If he could make that 4" into a 5" or 6" he would really improve the system. But thats a lot more water and lotss of money in pipe haha.
@brynduffy
@brynduffy 2 жыл бұрын
Volts out of turbine?
@Jdjsksjdhdj
@Jdjsksjdhdj Жыл бұрын
i move about 3000 gallons per hour how much power do you think i could make.
@LandtoHouse
@LandtoHouse Жыл бұрын
The basic hydro calculation : (Gpm X head in feet)/10=power Say you have 120 feet of drop in your creek and 3000 gph. (50gpm X 120 feet)/10=600w
@ellenorbovay5226
@ellenorbovay5226 3 жыл бұрын
It's 250 Watts, not 6000 Watts. A Watt is an energy per time unit, it's one amp at one volt, or one Joule per second. You can store the energy in whatever size energy bank you want, but it won't increase the power output of the generator.
@YodaWhat
@YodaWhat 3 жыл бұрын
Watts per Day is an improper measure of Energy. _The units of Watts per Day have Time in there TWICE, which means _*_an acceleration._* A day is obviously a legnth of time, but where is the other unit of time? It is in the Watts, because Watts are Joules of Energy _per second._ By saying "6000 Watts of Micro Hydro Power per day" you are saying that you get 6000 MORE WATTS every day than the system put out the day before. After a week, it would have to put out 42000 watts! If the system makes 250 W all the time, that means 250 Joules times 1/second, times 86400 seconds in a day. Thus the seconds cancel out and you have 2160000 Joules per Day. If you divide that by 3.6 million, you will get the kilowatt-hours, kWh like so: 2160000 / 3600000 = 0.6 kWh. Why 3.6 million? There are 3600 seconds in an hour, and 1000 watts in a kilowatt. Multiply them together to get 3600000.
@desrenethompson469
@desrenethompson469 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Seth I live in jamaica and I currently have 3 springs on a 133 acre property and I am planning to start a water bottling factory. I am looking at reducing the overheads and I've fallen in love with your projects. They are what I am looking for to install. We have at least a 4 tob400 foot drop or more to where the water hits the river. Would love to consult with you and possibly have you come to jamaica to assist us with setting up numerous turbines imbedded within the water fall to power our factory as well as other needs. We are planning to build a reservoir of about 30,000 gallons in order to have a good supply of water for both the factory as well as our water park. Is this feasible and would you be interested in being contracted to help set up and install the equipment we would need. Give me a contact # or an email so we can correspond. Best regards Courtney Thompson By the way I am logged in on my wife's phone that's why her name comes up
@f1s2hg3
@f1s2hg3 3 жыл бұрын
Why not put a roof over it?
@coolstreetman
@coolstreetman 3 жыл бұрын
Gotta love the clickbait title. Should say amazing 400 watts of micro Hydro. Cause it isnt 6000 watts or even over 1000
@johnwyman6126
@johnwyman6126 3 жыл бұрын
The thumbnail is misleading. It's not 6000 Watts, but 250 Watts for 24 hours which equals 6000 watt hours. A watt is a rate, a watt hour is a quantity. If it was actually 6000 Watts, then over 24 hours he would have 144,000 watt hours per day! Or 144 kilowatt-hours per day. About enough for a welding shop!
@calysagora3615
@calysagora3615 3 жыл бұрын
The con man who made the video says "it's close enough to be true" and won't change the title. You know, just exaggerating 12x the reality.
@BrittCHelmsSr
@BrittCHelmsSr 3 жыл бұрын
Nice setup. Great to see examples of what didn't work and what does. It may save others some time, money and trouble as they work to set up their own system.
@haroldbrown5887
@haroldbrown5887 3 жыл бұрын
what i see is a 17.5 kwh system being charged by a 6 to 9.5 kwh generator system assembled by an self admitted armature "to whom i say BRAVO!!" being nitpicked by a bunch of do nothing trolls who have yet to show me any credentials or works of their own.
@workbenchz
@workbenchz 3 жыл бұрын
This was fascinating, thank you for bringing this to us. Eric has some neat design concepts that you might want to consider for your dream list for your Mark III: - All nozzles have their own ball valve to select the best set for the current water conditions instead of having one "always on". - Stepping up to oversize Y fittings, then back down to flexible lines for a graceful curve into the nozzle to improve flow efficiency over sharp right angle turns in elbows and T fittings. - Running 2 smaller opposing nozzles instead of one 'just right', to improve the efficiency by having balanced pressure on opposite sides of the turbine. Thank you for sharing this.
@danielandrews7680
@danielandrews7680 3 жыл бұрын
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@MrPizzaman09
@MrPizzaman09 2 жыл бұрын
About 1 ohm of resistance on your 1000' of wire. If it's at 59v @ 252 watts per the end of your video, you're doing 4.25 amps (your charge controller is finding the sweet spot in MPPT mode). So V= I*R = 4.25*1 = 4.25 volts of loss. So you're at 63.25 v at the turbine. So 59/63.25 = 93.3% transmission efficiency or 6.7% loss. Seems not too terrible and it would cost a lot to upgrade that. If you were looking for better performance and you were running higher power levels more often and you needed the power, then you could go chasing a few more percent... but I think your effort would be better spent elsewhere. Awesome system!
@tobimai4843
@tobimai4843 3 жыл бұрын
Probably 6000 Watt hours per day :) But nice Video, I really like such small, simple Hydro systems
@LandtoHouse
@LandtoHouse 3 жыл бұрын
I changed the title to be a bit more accurate. Thank you.
@samvalentine3206
@samvalentine3206 3 жыл бұрын
@@LandtoHouse - We do want our efforts to be truthful - I applaud your willingness to change the title to reflect reality. Thanks for the video - this stuff is right up my alley, although it's only in my mind as I live in a one-bedroom apartment in a very urban area. It's what I'd LIKE to do!
@LandtoHouse
@LandtoHouse 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. I also lived in a one bedroom apartment in the middle of town. When I had the opportunity to buy land it changed my whole outlook on life.
@fezdk
@fezdk 3 жыл бұрын
Oh man, I really think you would benifit from boosting the voltage before that wire run to prevent a lot of losses!
@theprinceofecom3364
@theprinceofecom3364 3 жыл бұрын
A step up transformer would work well here
@MrPizzaman09
@MrPizzaman09 2 жыл бұрын
I just did the math and he's loosing 6.7% due to the voltage drop over 1000'
@billkichman7770
@billkichman7770 3 жыл бұрын
One additional thought for methods of lowering losses. I wonder out loud whether boosting the voltage via AC inverter at the generator would help. A 90%-95% efficient AC inverter creating say, European 240V single phase (cheap Ebay purchase) would drop the wire losses to about 5% and bring 240VAC to the shed. Add 5-10% loss for the added 240VAC inverter, you're at 15% or less voltage drop to the shed, instead of 26%, not a bad improvement. Also brings you AC power that's directly usable. It's predicated though on changing the battery charger to AC power. Another possibility is now that you'd have converted to AC, you could put a transformer in the mix, and step up the voltage even more, reducing the losses proportionally to the voltage increase. Blame Tesla :-) Would have to really make it safe from accidental shock though...probably not worth the risk. For a few hundred watts total generation, you might never recoup the additional investment, depending on how much value you set for the produced power. On a safety note, I hope you've grounded the generator with a #6 copper wire to an 8' ground rod for safety and to comply with NEC? I'm a bit envious, I always wanted to do this, my stream is unfortunately too low head and flow to do anything with.
@Sambo876
@Sambo876 3 жыл бұрын
The drop in pressure on two nozzles will be because you don't have enough water coming in the intake and the head level will drop until the new pressure balances with how much is coming out of your nozzles.
@JoeMalovich
@JoeMalovich 3 жыл бұрын
Dynamic friction lowers available pressure significantly at high flow rates.
@CorvetteAustin24
@CorvetteAustin24 3 жыл бұрын
Very neat setup. Pretty cool that there are some efficiencies that could be improved, but as he said it already powers everything he needs, so don't fix what isn't broken. Makes it that much more future proof too. Great video!
@workbenchz
@workbenchz 3 жыл бұрын
How's the saying go? don't let perfect be the enemy of good?
@iHeartDawnKeyes
@iHeartDawnKeyes 3 жыл бұрын
How many gallons per hour move through your turbine when you're generating 400w? I'm curious as to how ridiculous of an idea using hydro for pumped storage with solar in the desert would be. My guess is I'd probably need over 25k gallons to get through a night's worth of energy consumption (~12kWh).
@WolfClinton1
@WolfClinton1 3 жыл бұрын
Your videos are great for an old engineer to watch, so thank you. I have one suggestion on the pelton wheel principal that may be of interest. The steam engine came of age with the triple expansion engine which used the spent steam. I'm thinking that concentric pelton blades that increase in size/angle could reduce the outflow to a calm drip which would harvest more of the energy from the water.
@ianhelyar6383
@ianhelyar6383 3 жыл бұрын
Steam and water have different properties. Steam condenses as it gives its energy away. Water can't. The outflow MUST equal the inflow. What happens is, the flow slows as the energy is delivered. Potential energy turns into kinetic energy as it falls and the kinetic energy supplies the electric energy, thus slowing the water down. But always, flow in MUST equal flow out.
@shandor2522
@shandor2522 2 жыл бұрын
@@ianhelyar6383: What Rolf means is reducing the outflowing water’s speed not volume! A more efficient turbine would harvest more of the jet’s kinetic energy and leave a slow flow.
@drewwoo
@drewwoo 3 жыл бұрын
Also the decrease in the split value pressure vs non split can be looked up in a k-value table depending on type and angle. Beautiful work
@tomtomkowski7653
@tomtomkowski7653 2 жыл бұрын
And why not use some additional hydro when the water comes out from the system? Looks like this water has a decent speed / impact, so there are some watts over there :) Great job!.
@KmanJeeper
@KmanJeeper 3 жыл бұрын
Can you share more info on the battery bank set up? Such as what exactly those batteries are? What are those connectors we got a glimpse of? I think that is a Really neat micro hydro system! The 1000' of 10/2 would worry me, have you tested the line loss yet?
@rupertrobertus5712
@rupertrobertus5712 3 жыл бұрын
watts = joules / second. so, 6000 watts per day doesnt make much sense. basically you say you have it active for one second, each day, and then you draw 6000 joules.
@gordonstull1962
@gordonstull1962 3 жыл бұрын
I can see water discharging "directly" from the turbine, and moving down stream? Would it be possible to use the pulling force of the weight of water on the discharge side of the turbine? Are you using a stand by trickle charger to prevent sulfation of the battery plates, when hydro-generator system is not producing enough electricity? Also... would there be a way to use pulse-width modulation to move the electricity from the turbine-generator to the batteries? I like your setup, that is cool stuff, thank you for the info!
@jamesjenkins3384
@jamesjenkins3384 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. My creek runs 24/7 from a cistern spring, even in the severest drought.
@udos46
@udos46 3 жыл бұрын
furthermore, the winding wire quotes the diameter based on the average value over 100 meters .. this implies that p-eg. 0.8 medium, I can have a 0.6xx point, and in this case it will be the weak point on cnc use with strong acceleration or sudden braking for pelton / turgo the problem comes when we have air in the duct ... fatal blows to bearings and ditto coils in the quarry for today and all
@therealhostman
@therealhostman 3 жыл бұрын
There's a chap in the UK with a similar setup to this intake, search Kris Harbour
@LandtoHouse
@LandtoHouse 3 жыл бұрын
Yes kris is using a unique 3d printed coanda screen. Same idea. I like his work.
@gmeast
@gmeast 3 жыл бұрын
you mean 6000Watt-Hours per day?
@johnhufnagel
@johnhufnagel 3 жыл бұрын
Eric's setup is one of the only ones I've seen so far that puts the rectifier so far away from the actual generator head. It'd be interesting to see what his drop is over that line, as well as some kind of experiment to see if that vs. the super close rectifier to A/C conversion results in a higher efficiency setup. It's also be curious to see if using a pair (possibly?) of transformer sets to step up and step down the voltage could improve power transmission. I'm thinking that, one of the reasons power transmission voltages are so high, is to lessen losses. Some basic digging I just did, says Eric's losses should be about 53W over that 1000' run. If he halves the current that brings the losses down to 13.3W, quarter the current brings it to 3.3W. So a 4:1 transformer group on each end would do wonders for his power losses. The question is finding appropriate transformers, protecting them in the harsh environment near the generator head, what their respective losses are, and of course their cost. Perhaps this is also an opportunity for Langston, to make a unit that puts out much higher voltages, with a matching transformer for the other end.
@workbenchz
@workbenchz 3 жыл бұрын
You bring up some intriguing points to consider. 10g wire comes in at about 1ohm/1000ft under nominal household current, so his losses with the new wire will actually be quite minimal when you consider that a 60 watt bulb measures 2 ohms resistance. It looks like he's running 14g wire right now which comes in at 2.5ohm/1000ft, but considering the trade off between cost of the wire and how much loss is recovered and you can find that the 'best' answer for efficiency may not be the best answer for the economics. Putting the rectifier as close to the charge controller is actually a very good choice, 3-phase AC transmission over long runs is much more efficient than DC transmission; that's why we use Tesla's answer instead of Edison's for the power companies long run power transmission. You are right that a step up transformer at the turbine for the long line transmission and step down at the charge controller would be more efficient, with much higher voltage and much lower amperage the wire's resistance becomes less of a factor, but the costs of the transformers would be very difficult to recover for the few tens of watts that it might save.
@SpencerLAPower
@SpencerLAPower 3 жыл бұрын
I can pretty much make the voltage whatever you want it to be by changing the windings . have them that will do 600 plus volts . They work well with the grid Inverters . Schneider makes a charge controller that will take in up to 600 V but normally run under load 250v to 400v and will step it down to 48 volts⚡. The charged controllers cost $1500 so that basically just comes down to 💰
@johnhufnagel
@johnhufnagel 3 жыл бұрын
@@workbenchz I got my numbers by taking 10ga wiring, 4.26A (based on the voltage and wattage listed on the controller), 1000' (304.8M) length, used www.engineeringtoolbox.com/awg-wire-gauge-d_731.html to get the cross sectional area, and plugged it all into www.electrical4u.net/calculator/cable-power-loss-calculator-formula-calculation/ to arrive at my values. Hopefully they're remotely accurate based on that. :D
@johnhufnagel
@johnhufnagel 3 жыл бұрын
@@SpencerLAPower That... is interesting. Are there any cons with doing higher voltage windings? Any experiments to see if there's a "sweet spot" between voltage and current.
@SpencerLAPower
@SpencerLAPower 3 жыл бұрын
@@johnhufnagel It really depends on how long a distance you're trying to run the wire for 48 V system if you get over 150 V you end up dissipating a lot of it in heat with the Transformers in the charge controller. But if you could use this with a say 72 V system you could get almost double the power.
@cetinbayrak4307
@cetinbayrak4307 2 жыл бұрын
Başarılı bir çalışma olmuş.generator ve türbin konusunda detaylı bilgi paylaşımı yapmak ister misiniz.selamlar.türkiye Bursa
@majoroz4876
@majoroz4876 3 жыл бұрын
"6000 watts per day" is a phrase WITHOUT MEANING. Power output is just watts.......right now......WATTS. It is either putting out 6000 watts......or it isn't. ........back to school.........
@calebwells2493
@calebwells2493 2 жыл бұрын
You mentioned that you were unsure of the kind of losses you would have in the 1,000 ft of wire. The calculation is simple. Divide the output power at the turbine (250 watts) by the output voltage at the turbine (48 volts), which will give you an output current of 5.2 amps. Multiply the current by the resistance of the 1,000 ft of wire which you can find from a table based on the wire gauge. For 10 gauge it will around 1 ohm per 1,000 ft. Square the current and multiply it by the resistance which should give you about 27 watts. So, roughly 27 watts is being wasted in the 1,000 ft of wire. Keep in mind these losses will also increase as load increases. For example, at 500 watts, 108 watts (quadruple the power) would be wasted in wire.
@james10739
@james10739 3 жыл бұрын
Man those 280 Ah lithium iron cells have to be real comparable on price because he said like 385Ah or something so if you are only using half that's what 195 ish and the lithium last a lot longer if you are not using all of them but if you planned on only using like 230 that's still better I guess less in a backup for a rainy day but you know if you use it on the lead you have significant reduced the life of them
@MrDingaling007
@MrDingaling007 Жыл бұрын
What about having an mppt a battery and a 240V AC inverter close by the hydro generator, and sending the power up to the house as 240V AC, then at the house running a 240V AC high efficiency Battery charger. The voltage drop over 1000 feet would be minimal.
@disndat1000
@disndat1000 2 жыл бұрын
I don't get how everybody seems to put high stress water applications on wood poles. Is there not stainless steel in the US? This needs to be set and forget, once this thing runs, you don't want to re-adress the basic construction.
@seanbrenton55
@seanbrenton55 3 жыл бұрын
Nice job Eric, this setup is very clean and well thought out. Probably the nicest I have seen. I am glad you showed the previous intakes and explained why they weren’t working too.
@DocNo27
@DocNo27 3 жыл бұрын
yes - failures can often be as or more important than success!
@ogreunderbridge5204
@ogreunderbridge5204 9 ай бұрын
I guess those 4 inch pipes are sewer pipes. I cant find such specs as they apparently are not rated for other than semi filled gravity drop really... To the capable plumber randomly reading this; On ground/in ground, how much pressure build/meters head static trap is reasonable to shove into them before they burst, get forced out of each other or eject the coupling gaskets ?
@sajjadkuhi1943
@sajjadkuhi1943 3 жыл бұрын
چرا برقی که آخر میگیری رو نشونمون نمیدی؟ چرا دستگاه یا چراغی رو امتحان نمیکنی؟
@thorr18BEM
@thorr18BEM 2 жыл бұрын
Text @ 0:07 says "6000+ watts a day". Nope. You might have meant 6000 watthours per day. (6kWh per day).
@awesomedee5421
@awesomedee5421 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure if I got it all. The microturbine generates AC output? up the 1000' wire then goes through a rectifier bridge to go back to DC which is input to the inverter? So is there a schematic of what was used for that rectifier bridge that handles that much power?
@silenttitan7636
@silenttitan7636 2 жыл бұрын
Have you ever thought of running a Nikola Tesla bladeless turbine they can reach much higher RPMs and generate more torque more torque means a better and bigger electric motor and more RPMs means more electricity win-win
@GES1985
@GES1985 3 жыл бұрын
Look up gutter helmet. It uses a round edge design so that the water surface tension holds it around the bend but debris falls off. Scale that up with sheet metal for your intake.
@FourBecomesFive
@FourBecomesFive Жыл бұрын
Is there anyone who could recommend a bridge rectifier for a 24 volt battery system? There doesn't seem to be a lot of information on this subject, and I'm not certain if the ones listed on Amazon can be used for the purpose of a micro hydro generator.
@2tallnegrito7cmn55
@2tallnegrito7cmn55 2 жыл бұрын
I'm going off grid im 2 weeks. I am retired from military and I have a water source on.my property. But today is the first day I've heard of this. So how do you bring the power into your home?
@justindamirgian5977
@justindamirgian5977 2 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't it make sense to catch the water and use it again? So raise that 2 ft recollect it and have a smaller turbine bellow it? Or also collect it and run a ram pump and reuse the water that way. Either way you should get another 10 maybe 20%
@1956vern
@1956vern 2 жыл бұрын
Just wondering why he does not have a stand pipe down from intake so air in line can escape? Nice! Sure wish I would of been smurter when I was younger and went this way with micro hydro!
@josephuy8101
@josephuy8101 3 жыл бұрын
Increase the height of your SS water collector to at least twice the diameter of your pipe, but it all depends on the flow rate. If still not enough to maintain the water level higher than the pipe then increase further.
@Jdjsksjdhdj
@Jdjsksjdhdj Жыл бұрын
ok so water goes into a system that boils it from the sun. the boiling water goes into turbines and finally into steam engines. the steam is collected above everything and ran back down thru a hydro power system that feeds the boiler... you can use trickls to move extra volumes of water above thru steam hammer jets and water hammer jets.
@matthewmurrian
@matthewmurrian 2 жыл бұрын
Take a look at Kris Harbour Natural Building. He's been running a hydro system for the last few years with an intake that looks quite a bit like yours.
@EdwardVanNatta
@EdwardVanNatta 2 жыл бұрын
I am looking about your product place lace me a message .when I post this , I am looking for more information no this . I like to know how I can find some more information on the thing you built to make power out of or where I can get one at and how much do they run or how can I get to see information on how to build one or where I can plan a book at get back to me since possible take care of yourself and be safe out there I seen your videos like what you
@michaeloverholt8924
@michaeloverholt8924 2 жыл бұрын
For round number's sake - if I use 10kwh per day I would need 4 of these setups to produce the same amount of energy?
@samcurrie3367
@samcurrie3367 3 жыл бұрын
Please remove the "per day" from the title. Watts per day is a nonsense measurement. PS I love the video and the equipment and micro hydro is great!
@marcteenhc9793
@marcteenhc9793 3 жыл бұрын
Dude... just buy a generator and stop polluting the land with all these plastic bags, plastic pipes and all that garbage!!!
@udos46
@udos46 3 жыл бұрын
the rectifier power on the turbine you can keep it cold easily and a good electrolytic capacitor of at least 22oouF per Amper should be added if it suffers less from the input of the charging mppt inverter since it is certainly designed for solar panels perfectly DC without ripple and harmonics also some AC capacitors on the phases improve the generator cosphi
@ThisRandomUsername
@ThisRandomUsername 3 жыл бұрын
I agree about having the rectifier on the generator side because it means you get more constant power over two thicker cables rather than pulsed power over 3. However, I do think that charge controller is designed with hydro in mind. Joe Malovich has done a few videos on that specific controller for hydro power (maybe Seth has too), and they're pretty good at finding the correct parameters. A correctly designed MPPT will handle the pulses okay.
@gravelydon7072
@gravelydon7072 3 жыл бұрын
I have a 6600uF capacitor on my motor generator and the MakeSkyBlue controller has no problem with the DC output. And at the speeds mine is turning at, the full wave bridge rectifier does get hot. 750RPM is 300Hz being fed to it. It also is producing up to more than twice the power of what his is as I have seen 800+ Watts when run at 1000RPM. That is pushing 30+Amps thru a 50Amp rated rectifier.
@ThisRandomUsername
@ThisRandomUsername 3 жыл бұрын
@@gravelydon7072 that's pretty impressive. Hopefully your rectifier is Rated at fairly big current spikes, as the capacitor will mean the diodes only pass current for really short portions of the curve. That's also not as good for losses in the coils. A power factor correction circuit would be an idea, but quite complex for such a system, and probably not necessary. What is your generator voltage output when running at those power levels? If it's high enough (100V), that's really not a problem, as the current will be 8A average at 800W
@deserteagle190x8
@deserteagle190x8 3 жыл бұрын
It would be interested to see what the power factor would be on this sort of system. It would definitely vary with the load and rpm of the generator. Depending on what sort of power factor the charge controller puts out, i reckon it would still be pretty close to 0.9 . Seen as that type of alternator is a PMSG which output a leading power factor by themselves. When it comes to the location of the recterfier (ac vs dc transmission). If the dc runs ruffly the same voltage as the ac rms volts under load there wouldn't be a huge difference between the two when it comes to efficiency (even with the equivalent cable sizing). Mainly because you only really see the benefits of dc transmission over very long distances at high power levels. Ive run some calculation before comparing the power losses of equivalent 3 phase transmission systems to a dc trasmission systems. Better cooling of the recterfier with it being out in the open with the generator would definitely help (maybe not with efficiency but definitely with the life of the recterfier). My only concern with that would be the ripple in the long dc run. A well designed caps and inductor filter (with various sizes of caps etc) would be best. Depending on how bad the ripples are you can lose a lot of potential power as the ripple frequency will be a lot higher then the ac frequency (which would be alread be on the higher side) and it will have a lot of sharp edges in the ripple which doesnt help with efficiency. In saying that, as stated before, in practice on this scale a large percentage of stuff all is still stuff all. Things don't always scale down very well from larger systems.
@gravelydon7072
@gravelydon7072 3 жыл бұрын
@@ThisRandomUsername 1kV rectifiers. 3 phases of 4 parallel sets of 3 per phase is how it currently is setup and produces 610 Watts at 750 RPM at 69.8 VAC. It can have the coils changed to 12 coils in parallel and 3 phases which is where the unit would hammer the rectifier. At 750 RPM it is at 300 Hz and at 1000 RPM it is at 400 Hz. I have full control of the unit at 0-300 Hz ( 0-750 RPM ) but it only runs in auto mode at 400 HZ where the motor controller does the ramp up of the speed from 0-400 HZ ( 0-1000 RPM ).
@frankoafk1971
@frankoafk1971 2 жыл бұрын
awosome, that is amazing easy siple system,,, wondeing where can we find those turbine in australia or newzealand? cheers
@perfectologronio7261
@perfectologronio7261 3 жыл бұрын
Hello, im from philippines, how much that turbine cost? Can i order it online? Thanks
@sspence65
@sspence65 3 жыл бұрын
6000 watts per day? That does not compute. 6000 watt hours per day?
@bendaves77
@bendaves77 Жыл бұрын
The deeper the sediment pond is the easier it is to control a steady flow and power.. all it needs is a clean out pipe to clean the sediment from the holding pond once a year
@TheHaxotic
@TheHaxotic 2 жыл бұрын
Why use so many conventional batteries when you could just add a water tank at top to store energy?
@landmanp
@landmanp 9 ай бұрын
Nice video, can't you make energy from the output from the turbine?
@gavinclaassen6440
@gavinclaassen6440 2 жыл бұрын
This looks like a nice installation. Any ideas who can supply one such equipment with turbine , power management controllers , batteries , inverters etc ? I tried emailing your Langstons micro hydro turbine manufactureres and sales people , but never got any reply !?!? Are their optional suppliers out there , more responsive ?
@LandtoHouse
@LandtoHouse 2 жыл бұрын
There are several people that work with great equipment. Did you try calling Langstons? My videos on hydro and solar have gone over 5 million views lately and he has been overwhelmed with email. Phone he is much more responsive.
@jyj8552
@jyj8552 2 жыл бұрын
❍ Penstock Pride: 700 feet = 213.36 meters ❍ Penstock diameter: 4 inches=101mm ⇒ Maximum water intake: 12.7 lps ❍ Drop: 25psi=1.757kg/cm2=17.5m , 57ft=17.5m ❍ Power: 250 watts Specification ❍ Penstock Length: 214.36 [m] ❍ Penstock Diameter: 101 [mm] ❍ Total Fall: 17.5 [m] ❍ Effective fall: 17.29 [m] 98.79% ❍ Maximum design flow: 2 [lps]⇒ 250 [W] , 3.2 [lps]⇒ 400 [W] ❍ Max Power :0.25 [kW] = 250 [W] ❍ Nozzle: 5/8" = 15.88 [mm] (Calculated: 11.75 [mm])
@beely7848
@beely7848 3 жыл бұрын
Everyone talks about how great this video is and all. But we as human always think about ourself but never think about the environment. What is once will never be the same again. Build a dam, that's a beaver job but remember when u do build a family. Everything else down the road gets screw over. If u don't believe that, look it up on what happens if there is a dam. Why don't we figure out how to not screw up the geology of the land. We're just being selfish with our own needs. Human are not trying to save the world, we're just killing it slowly. Once the trees, water and ice are done. So are we.
@chantalrubino337
@chantalrubino337 2 жыл бұрын
Dam!!!
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