AMD Fluid Motion Frames | Tested ON Ally

PROMISING, but needs time to bake 🔥. Frame generation on the Ally still needs some work. The main culprit is input lag. There is also a decent amount of artifcating depending on how fast the camera is moving.
*AMD Preview Drivers:* www.amd.com/en/support/kb/release-notes/rn-rad-win-2340-01-10-preview
*Install AMD Driver:* kzbin.info/www/bejne/ooWaf5eQh7KEm5Y
*RivaTuner Tutorial:* kzbin.info/www/bejne/f5-WXnmifcqDrNE
0:00 - Intro
0:27 - AMD Preview Driver
1:03 - Skyrim
1:51 - Resident Evil 4
2:59 - Cyberpunk
4:06 - 120+FPS Tearing
4:41 - Riva Tuner
4:52 - Tri-Split
6:37 - Input LAG
7:33 - CPU Boost
8:03 - AMD Overlay
9:43 - Final Thoughts
#rogally

[@homina.homina]

Cant wait for the official updates for my ally :D thank you for testing ❤

[@filt3rless]

Me too! I'm surprised it works as well as it does on a lower powered chip with integrated graphics :)

[@WuFluChan]

It only shows up with the right fmf fps using the amd overlay, the amd overlay will also show you the frame generation lag

[@Blind-Matter]

Awesome coverage man! I've been using FG on an Nvidia card on desktop and you get used to the ghosting/artefacts after a while. Not tried the preview drivers yet but the FG mod works very well.

[@zacthegamer6145]

I was looking forward to this. Thanks

[@andyandy6525]

Great job! Thanks, very useful.

[@ggmgoodgamingmichael7706]

My go to Ally KZbinr. Thank You man

[@wozzielfc401]

Do you think its better to use Asus drivers or the Amd ones with 780m for the rog ally ? In your opinion mate as I used those preview ones and I lost performance in games

[@nyxelithias]

Isnt frame gen optimal at 60fps for this exact reason? Probably why we see a lot less stuttering with fsr.

[@luegi25]

What is better in your opinion the amd drivers or the ones you get from Asus? Ever since you put me on the AMD drivers ive been sticking with it. I want to try out frame generation

[@kambrother]

FSR2FSR3 mods work pretty well for specific titles, spiderman use to run around 45 fps and now Im over 65 fps. Hopefully afmf can reach similar performance in the future.

[@filt3rless]

I haven't had a chance to test it, but those results sound great. And I'm assuming it looks a bit better then AFMF. I wish games were just optimized better. Hopefully developers don't start making games with frame generation in mind for performance targets 🤣

[@mosthated8848]

Yea but, for it to work it needs about 80fps less input lag, and fewer artifacts.

[@ryandharmawan3958]

Yeah tried this, and its amazing!!!!

[@xbradx75]

According to AMD, FMF turns off automatically during fast camera motion, like sitting in place spinning the camera like this, if it detects too much difference between the frames being interpolated. This is probably why it looks "smoother" during the slower camera pans, but gets super jerky and stuttery when you spin around too quickly.

[@filt3rless]

Hey, yeah I was going to include that section in here. In Skyrim while testing 45FPS at a really high speed I noticed it kicking off. Then also tested Cyberpunk and it kicked off when panning really fast. It didn't kick off in any of the tests I'm showing here though. I'd imagine with FPS games though, especially competitive, it'd kick off a bunch on the Ally with the lower base frame rates.

[@seanpaul211]

Q why Everytime I turned on my ally for the first time I get a white screen I have to turn it off and on again?

[@alejandroiberri7524]

Do you recommend updating the driver to 780m or keep the previous one?

[@samsoulee]

Just tested it yesterday, it looks better with, than without IMO. The 2 only small problems is that you can really feel the fps fluctuation when paning , and it only works on directX 11+ games :'(

[@TYKU121]

Weird that in Nvidia's FG, it doesnt work with a frame cap, but AMD does.

[@xlr8jaeger]

You can cap the fps in AMD as well with Radeon chill. I like to cap mine 3 fps under max refresh rate. It not sure this applies with frame gen

[@KuyaYayee]

I tried this but i reverted back to stable version of amd . I will just wait for the stable fluid motion release on jan 24.

[@MrAcidburn5000]

Hey is the official driver out yet!?

[@pkpkpkok]

rog ally can use afmf?how about it?have bug?

[@messiahmozgus]

Surprisingly on pc with that new frame gen mod that lets nvidia 1xxx and 2xxx cards use amd frame gen in place of nvidia's 3xxx frame gen standard, I actually dont notice any lag with it. I hope the input lag will be improved here.

[@filt3rless]

Nice! I hope it improves as well. I didn't think we'd even see frame generation due to the lack of power on the 7840U. So I'm happy we're seeing it and hope they can improve it. I'd imagine it's just a lack of extra performance that's the main issue.

[@cppctek]

Great video. Curious to see what it does for fps shooters and if it’s triggering the ai anti cheat yet.

[@WillySou]

Thanks for sharing your findings! Good stuff 👍 I would definitely not play with a mouse with FG turned on. With a controller the lag it's definitely less noticeable. I know it's widely unpopular among gamers but I use sometimes FG from my LG tv and I enjoy for some games more story focused. But even there I could not use a mouse due to the latency. The "Ally on hands" (not sure that's what's called) channel also had some interesting finds about FG. He was saying on cyberpunk in Dogtown was much smoother with it activated. Without it was barely hitting 30 and was jittery and with FG turned on was much better.

[@filt3rless]

Hey thanks for stopping by! :) That is interesting findings on a game running near 30FPS to be better with FG. FG would actually lower the FPS down even more and anything near 30 I found to be a pretty terrible experience. I am planning on testing a few games in "normal" situations where I'm just playing it to see. I might even make a video doing like 10+ games with side by side comparisons.

[@vdgvdh2169]

Ma quando uscirà su rog intendo quello ufficiale?

[@michaeliovani4487]

Minus FMF are you still using the newest AMD driver or are you still using the Asus driver? I feel like it’s been forever since we got a video driver update from Asus.

[@filt3rless]

I've been off the Asus drivers for months as they always lag way behind. I prefer to use the latest stable AMD drivers as they tend to work really well. I haven't had a chance to test the preview driver against the other drivers. However, I'm running a 10+ AFMF benchmark at the moment and the FPS seems great on the preview driver. I don't really like this video I made as I was just spinning the camera around mostly which is boring. So I'm doing run throughs now like the benchmarking videos I've made. So side-by-side of AFMF on vs off. It's a bit more interesting when playing the games normally. However the lag is insane, I've seen over 100ms of delay by turning AFMF on haha.

[@piska4f]

Could be useful for games such as God of War since it almost always drops to 30 FPS in 1080p. Wish it was supported...

[@puertadlm163]

Any recommendations for cases with a kickstand and also work with XG mobile.

[@filt3rless]

Hey, I only have one kickstand case and it didn't work with the XG Mobile. I'm not sure if there is a case that will allow you do use an XG without taking it out and I no longer have an XG Mobile to be able to test it.

[@chinachansu190]

is this official? if tis is how to update with this fluid motion?

[@ash-xb8yq]

Well after this video I'm personally a bit confused with a use case of mine So basically I'm running a very highly modded version of skyrim,where i generally bounce around 32-40ish fps outdoor and about 50 indoor I did try out the paid FSR 2 mod but it somehow reduced the frames and made image worse 😂 So do you think afmf would be useful for my use case? With some tweaking? Of course I play skyrim with the controller...(rog ally's buttons)

[@filt3rless]

Hey, I'm running a whole other tests of 10+ games to see AFMF on vs off and the latency is pretty extreme. However if the input lag doesn't bother you much, then AFMF could be worth getting. Just as an example I tested Skyrim already and at 42 FPS I was seeing 25ms of lag. Then when turning AFMF on it went to about 70ms and only increased the FPS to 64. This was at 12w @ 900p without mods.

[@ash-xb8yq]

@@filt3rless That's actually very informative,I think I'll wait for the official implementation by Asus to jump in Thrice the input lag isn't worth it I feel Thanks for the info!!

[@heliosblight9872]

Hey filt3less ive been experiencing problems getting amd overlay to show the fps in any game it only show na ive tried full-screen aswell armoury crate overlay shows it but no amd overlay and suggestions?

[@filt3rless]

Hey, yeah I ran into this. At the top there is a bell icon, I found for the FPS counter to work there is UAC (User Account Control) permissions that are needed. Check and see when you click the bell icon at the top of the AMD control panel if you see something regarding UAC. I had to enable it and then restart to get it working.

[@heliosblight9872]

@@filt3rless Thanks man I'll give it a try, also love the content man!!

[@CHRISTIANgames668]

Will this work on Tarkov

[@ryanrocksize5]

I do remember watching a video that stated the the framerate counter being false with the AMD OSD and afmf and you had to use the one built-in on the rog crate side, there is a significant difference, should try to look it up

[@filt3rless]

I found when using the built in Asus monitor it actually messes with the frame generation. The AMD one shows N/A, so I'm using Riva and MSI Afterburner which seem to be accurate. From what I can tell it's definitely doubling (or very close to doubling) the frame rate.

[@uusrikas]

So legion go 144hz comes handy now

[@suberlex2468]

For some reason I turned it on and all it shows is n/a on the gps counter and doesn’t even work

[@theGAME-fh5gx]

Is this feature compatible with all games or specific games? For example, Counter Strike 2

[@hagenhallgard8619]

As far as I have read around this is a feature which is compatible with all games, all you need is just a compatible gpu and this is the main difference with Fsr and DLSS where you need not only a compatible gpu but also games which come with the possibility to use fsr and dlss. So AFMF should represent a big change.

[@featjie]

will you do a video on fsr 3 for the rog ally?

[@filt3rless]

Hey, I think I will do a video on both that and AFMF again when the drivers are official. I'd be really interested to see how big of a difference there is in FSR 3 since it's built into the game. Also we might see Anti-Lag+ which is a bit better than the normal Anti-Lag we have now (but it also has to be built into the game like FSR3).

[@featjie]

@@filt3rless I am excited for that as well. FSR3 is gonna be a huge game changer on the Rog Ally and I hope lots of games will use it in the future!

[@mosthated8848]

Would you consider doing the 32 GB mod on your Ally? From what I have seen it gives about 8 to 15fps more on most games.

[@cppctek]

1: the cost is 350$ to 450$ 2: it’s extremely difficult and needs specialized equipment and you can’t just use a soldering iron. You need a total reflow station, board heater, alligator clip for bios chip or a bios chip socket and ribbon cable to a flasher, plus lots and lots of skill. It’s not a simple diy job for anyone. I myself have all of the equipment and refuse to risk ruining my board for it. Maybe if. I had 350$ to spare to pay Swanson or any of the very few but fine people doing it and I could send my Device away for 4 months …. SURE I also would love to see ram user upgradeable but I do understand the many reasons it’s not. Both cost and speed.

[@SlickBuysModsandRepairs]

I charge $315, with all parts and return shiping included. Turn around time is 1-3 days. @@cppctek

[@venusprinzj8094]

FMF could be a good feature, but most of the time its not usable. You need 70+ fps just to get a good experience, what is hard to get on a handheld and sometimes even on a 7900xtx

[@Steelninja77]

Yeah certain games it works great on ROG but it shines on my PC definitely. Horizon zero dawn I was playing earlier at 4k epic 120 fps and smooth af. I will remember to cap my fps then but tbh I don't really notice the artifacts you mentioned till you pointed it out. Not when i am playing. Can see it in your side by side.

[@ryanpersuadful]

Thanks for the video, interesting tech but needs to mature a bit more, when it does it should give a bit more longevity to these handhelds with the increased performance... here's hoping 👍👌

[@rafaelpinhaosantos]

I just installed and it isn't like this. You basically can't move the camera or else it will deactivate

[@DeVries6276]

Have you seen the method to overclock the display to 175hz?

[@filt3rless]

Hey, I have not seen that. I have tried a program called CRU, but found it doesn't work on the Ally after recording slow motion footage and testing it.

[@DeVries6276]

​@@filt3rless Very interesting! The steps I followed that worked for me were posted on reddit, looks like I'm not able to drop the link in this comment? It was posted by u/HailstormTTV, "175hz display overclock settings"

[@filt3rless]

@@DeVries6276 I think KZbin has blocked links in comments permanently. I did find the post by searching it though. Maybe something has changed since I last tested it. What I originally tested was people knocking the refresh rate down to 30Hz to try and get a "smoother" FreeSync experience. Since LFC on the Ally doubles the Hz after you go below 48FPS, so 40FPS = 80Hz people were trying to change it to where the display would go lower than 48Hz. I found you could set it to 1Hz and even cap the FPS to 10 with no black screen. On my FreeSync monitor I could only get to 40Hz and on my FreeSync laptop I could only get to 45Hz before black screening. My conclusion was people were experience placebo (which I thought I saw something too at first). Or the Ally is shipping with different hardware related to the screen in some units. Kind of like the Steam Deck OLED where some have the BOE and others have the Samsung panel.

[@WuFluChan]

150hz works better you don’t have to change the pixel density

[@DeVries6276]

@@WuFluChan Good tip, I will test this further too! I'm wondering when a video will come out about this though 🤔

[@mosijames8348]

Good

[@ChrisJordanGuitar]

am I missing something? why the heck FG produces less FPS? and this is not the first video I noticed this I understand when you do fast movements FG will do nothing but on "steady" scene why is behaving like that? didn't get it

[@filt3rless]

When FG is turned on, it's using resources. So the base frame rate drops (because of the overhead FG requires). However, FG is generating additional fake frames basically. It's almost like the TV's that have a "fluid" type option that makes movies look smoother than they are. The problem with doing this on games is you can feel a lot of lag. Frame generation is more for high end GPU's where the framerate is already really high. I think AMD added this because it makes their technology/company "look good" more than anything else. I don't recommend using FG.

[@Paddyhudson]

I’m curious to see how it would affect switch emulation which is usually locked to 60 or 30.

[@kambrother]

I believe both yuzu and ryujinx don't use direct3d, so can't use afmf, requires dx11 or dx12

[@audiewilliams5162]

There is a mod floating around that gives you access to vulkan... Played a little Astral chain at 120fps 👌👌

[@Alex_Power]

Could a 30 fps PS1 game run at 60 fps?

[@bobdole6889]

Wish i could get the motion frames oprion appear in adrenaline app. Been trying forever

[@filt3rless]

Hey I have a link in the description to the driver you'll need and then a tutorial video on how to install it. It should work after following that. As long as you're on the Ally. I heard the Legion Go's portrait display causes issues with it.

[@bobdole6889]

@@filt3rless I keep force updating the preview driver but adrenaline never shows the motion frame option. No clue why:(

[@filt3rless]

@@bobdole6889 When you open up the AMD control panel and click the gear icon at the top right. What's the version that shows up on the left? You'll want to make sure you've downloaded the 23.40.01.10 driver as the 23.30.13.05 driver won't work. In Google it pulls the wrong driver for the first result when I search for it.

[@bobdole6889]

​@@filt3rless tysm had the wrong version. Good call 😋

[@TattedTechGaming]

You should try lossless scaling, it has frame generation, and it doesn’t turn off when moving fast. It also interpolates 30-60fps

[@filt3rless]

Hey I have tried it, but it not working in exclusive full screen is a big drawback IMO.

[@league5553]

Does the amd anti-lag help?

[@filt3rless]

I turned it on/off and didn't notice much difference. I still think it's worth trying out AFMF, but the input lag will probably be a bit too much for fast paced games, like FPS games.

[@panupongintasak5478]

Why my amd dont show fps. it just show n/a help me plz

[@filt3rless]

Hey, I get the same thing. I think it's the preview drivers. I'd suggest using the steam in-game overlay for FPS. You won't want to use the Asus monitor as I found it messes with the frame generation.

[@panupongintasak5478]

@@filt3rless thx bro

[@stephenj37824]

​@@filt3rlessI've read you have to give the amd overlay user account access.

[@filt3rless]

Hey, Stephen's comment below is right and I found out where it is. When you install the preview driver, you'll need to click the Bell icon and one of the notifications should have a (UAC) User Account Control section that you have to click on. Then give it permission and it'll restart the system. If you don't see it, then you might need to re-install the driver again and see if it pops up.

[@panupongintasak5478]

@@filt3rless I'll try it out. Thx bro

[@MadaoAU]

that's th4e artefacts i get on Yakuza Like a dragon gaiden too. really weird the LukeFZ mods are better on that regard

[@filt3rless]

What are your thoughts on the input lag? I found the artifacts a bit distracting, but the input lag is pretty significant to me.

[@infoseek2304]

Doesnt work for me - says incompatible hardware - i will wait for official driver

[@fifagi]

too many lag for use it :(

[@TheTenth100]

Nah, Lossless Scaling Frame Generation is waaaayyy better since it has less latency and doesn't turn off when you turn too quick.

[@rafezon]

Vsync ON or OFF?

[@filt3rless]

Hey it's off. I found it didn't work properly having V-Sync on, major stuttering in something like Skyrim.

[@sergestar4536]

But just do fg off plus fsr

[@RafaelRodriguez-dg2rr]

This is not that great of a bump I am using luke fz fsr 3 frame gen mod and for example in remnant 2 , I went from 720p fsr perf potato / low settings 30 to 50 fps. To 720p balanced fsr low /meduim settings and I get 60 to 100plus fps.

[@toweleeielite]

im struggling with this one. it doesnt do much if anything on he games that i play other than being able to whack me epenis out and say look..... 160fps...... even though it looks like 40fps and the image quality is all over the place. reminds me alot of ASW in VR. AMD/Nvidia should spend more time creating hardware thats capable other than chasing the dragon with pretty pointless software solutions to problems that shouldnt exist. great video mind ;)

[@filt3rless]

I think it could still be worth trying out to see what you think. However, I'd wait for official drivers. I haven't tested the performance/stability of the preview drivers in normal games and have seen some reports of games crashing on the preview drivers.

[@toweleeielite]

@@filt3rless performance of the driver was pretty bad on the games i tested mate, lost about 10fps on new WRC game, stutters all over the place on BF2042 and lets not talk about SSTE.... but that always runs like a sack opf spanners hahaha. gone back to previous driver as it seems better than the ally driver for the games i play ;)

[@seferismo]

For some reason my adrenaline fps count is an always

[@cyrelpanuncio-lh4xf]

Useless honestly, it only add numbers in fps but runs the same. I turn it on, 40 fps lagging 😂😅

[@halloweenbloodfrost]

Doesn’t seem that useful on a freesync screen. Most games will run over 48hz so unless you’re trying to up the quality then🤷🏽‍♀️

[@hakaiyou4532]

You did it wrong sadly man. It will only shows up with the right fmf fps using the amd overlay

[@filt3rless]

Hey, yeah it’s double the FPS with FG. The AMD overlay wasn’t working when I was testing. However I’ve fixed it and a bigger benchmark is coming soon of side by side comparisons.

[@hakaiyou4532]

@@filt3rless awesome

[@N8ivAN1mal]

Holy moly that input lag, This will be unplayed for me😢

[@filt3rless]

I'm running another set of tests benchmarking games side by side and the LAG is pretty extreme! As an example in Resident Evil 4 at 15W the frame time goes from 30ms to 102ms. In Crysis at 12W it went from 25ms to 73ms. I'm planning to do a 10+ game benchmark side-by-side showing it on vs off so stay tuned if you're interested in seeing it :)

[@charlierose1708]

Meh looks like its got a ways to go

[@dark-lord-]

You missed to test it with Anti-lag+ Also Lossless Scaling's new Frame Gen seems better than AMD's as it doesn't turn off on fast motion

[@filt3rless]

Hey, I didn't see Anti-Lag+ in the control panel. I'm not sure it's been implemented for iGPU's yet. And it's something that has to be implemented at the game level, like FSR3. I tried the Lossless Scaling app, but it seems it doesn't support exclusive full screen which is really limiting. However, locking the FPS to 30 definitely worked better in that then in AFMF.

[@dimyz7435]

cant see really the difference

[@thegrindizreal5896]

I'm loosing faith with asus an this device sick an tired of auto updates even when you system restore an go to asus account to stop auto updates it still updates its self . Not too fond of frame generation its looks horrible especially with games like baulders gate

[@Jose-ue3bu]

what in the sweet hell is this? Impossible

[@NicholasKoeppel]

This guy misunderstands how this tech is working: Fluid Motion Frame generation works best when running over 60fps(or 30+fps before fluid motion is turned on)… I find on the ROG Ally that Fluid Motion seems to work the best at 1440p… On Geshin Impact for instance with medium graphics at 1440p with Fluid Motion on, I can consistently get 70fps… I can also run BG3 and Hogwarts Legacy around the same(50-70fps) with Fluid Motion on; though this is with FSR performance on as well… The input lag is bad on some games, and oddly this reviewer has chosen the three games that I’ve experienced the worst lag from… For this tech to work well, targeting 70fps with it on, seems to be the sweet spot for the ROG Ally… Personally, I say just wait for the official version to come out in a few days; while it won’t be that much different, it will most likely fix some of the lag issues.

[@filt3rless]

Did you not watch the video? Every single game tested had at least 1 test where the frame rate is well above 30FPS base. The main point of AFMF in it's current state is to see high FPS in the top corner. Turn the overlay off and 90%+ of people wouldn't like the AFMF experience.

[@OblivionPrime]

Doesn't seem that useful honestly

[@audiewilliams5162]

Actually it looks better in person... I recommend giving it a test.

[@filt3rless]

I think it's still worth trying when it officially comes out on the Ally. As Audie said below this is blown up and zoomed in on the Ally screen so it's easier to see the flaws. However it's not the artifacting that ruins it for me, it's the input lag. It feels a bit more sluggish then turning V-Sync on, on a 60Hz monitor.

[@MrGsxrme]

Needs official support to properly utilize the hardware resources of the Z1 architecture.

[@Frenchii9YT]

Its not good atm. All in time tho after few updates ill try again. Tried it and you get “more” fps but lots of dips and stutters

[@ahmadazhar3473]

Agreed. Especially with that input lag.

[@VeegovonDOOM]

It clearly sucks .

[@Yuber898]

Slowing the footage to inspect artifacts seems like a waste of time. If you arent able to see it in real time who cares? Rather focus on the atrifacts that persist even in normal speed. If you inspect the frames generated by nvidia it looks like hot garbage... thats not the point of this technology

[@filt3rless]

To me the artifacting is very noticeable while playing as well as the increased input lag. However, some people didn't see the difference between VRR and non-VRR when they bought a Legion GO. To me the difference is huge when I owned both. I've tried to show family light bleed on a screen and they couldn't see it. Unluckily for me I see just about everything, although that helps with a tech channel I guess haha.