America's F-35s just became EVEN HARDER to shoot down

[@tiny_tex]

can't imagine being an adversary pilot thinking I'm about to be the first to shoot down an F-35 only to watch my missile slam into a soda can, and then getting a sidewinder up my own ass because I never actually saw the F-35

[@pavelimani]

lmao. if you get hit by Sidewinder then you likely already see F35. You just cannot hit it. (Sidewinder is a short-range dogfighting missile used in clear weather conditions)

[@tiny_tex]

@pavelimani "short range" in air combat is still several miles, and seeing a gray speck doing 600 knots on the horizon isn't easy, believe me. plus, IR guided missiles (like the AIM-9) are *likely* going to be coming up your tail end, where it's nice and hot (yes, Sidewinders have been all-aspect for decades, doesn't mean they don't like heat) our poor adversary pilot is just as likely to have an F-35 sitting 15 feet behind his tail as one shooting over the horizon, and he wouldn't see either one, since it's not like he can look through his own airframe lol (but the F-35 pilot can, which is incredibly cool)

[@scottbetz4579]

Hilarious!

[@skvUSA]

@tiny_tex Since we are in discussion about DRFM soda cans, it means that our "friends" in China are busy buying Coca-Cola in volumes and fitting them with all type of gizmos to mimic DRFM and test them in Ukraine and Middle East. If you can copy master-piece you are as good as master!

[@area51z63]

Your ass has nothing to do with anything.

[@777Outrigger]

A least one F-22 pilot who has exercised against F-35s at Red Flag said fighting the F-35 is "very challenging"..

[@xris5697]

In fact they beat in BVR

[@777Outrigger]

@@xris5697 Very possibly. But that's probably classified.

[@Anlushac11]

As one pilot said "If you can get into visual range you can beat the F-35. The problem is surviving long enough to get into visual range".

[@777Outrigger]

@@Anlushac11 Except that the F-35 will always enter a visual fight in an advantageous position, and probably the other fighter won't know the F-35 is there.... "I asked one of the Air Force pilots, Lt. Col. Scott “Cap” Gunn, here whether the F-35 would win when fighting close-up with an enemy fighter. His answer was simple: “Without a doubt.” Gunn told reporters at a briefing here that he had gone up against a friend in an F-16 a few months ago. Though the F-35 “performed very well,” he made clear that it hadn’t been dominant. They flew again recently and the F-16 pilot was amazed by the improvement in the F-35’s performance. “What have they done to your jet?” the pilot said, according to Gunn. “The difference is we have learned how to fly the jet… and better understand where its advantages are.” Gunn went on to say that he “either never got it within visual range, or, if I’m going to be inside visual range, then it’s because I’m going to choose to be there.” That seems to make clear the aircraft’s vaunted fusion engine and advanced sensors - all tied into the pilot’s helmet - provides the pilot with enough warning and data to allow him to decide the terms of combat."

[@billbellell9462]

As the only true 5th generation stealth fighters, the F-22 and the F-35 are a heck of a set of 21st century aircraft. You cannot see either on radar, so they just kill you and you never even knew they were there. The F-35 proved its metal in Iran; took out Iran's air defenses just like that.

[@muleyman68]

Now hopefully they can keep the Chinese from stealing this tech from both systems and saying they created a better one.

[@khrystleooo6994]

Hillary Clinton took care of that 😁

[@area51z63]

LOL if the Chinese had a better system they would not be detailing it here like this page does. Seriously did it ever occur to any of you that if any of this was real that Alex Hollings would be in the federal prison system awaiting execution?

[@mojothemigo]

@@area51z63 They announce what they actually have from time to time. Infact, they say they have it then they have it. Did we not have a B2 bomber when they announced it?

[@area51z63]

@@mojothemigo They also announced that an F35 crashed in North Carolina and no one could track it because it was invisible. So what is the Britty toy for? Everything is a lie, which is called misinformation in strategic circles.

[@area51z63]

@@mojothemigo What is this new toy needed for if the F35 is invisible to radar? Seems that someone is lying again

[@kayakutah]

I started out in the Navy flying the RF-8. In that airplane, we had "POET" (primed oscillator expendable transmitter) which were carried in the chaff bucket. Thankfully, I never had an opportunity to use any! Also, I believe early SAM systems had a "Home on Jam" HOJ function and these were used to exploit that. This was almost 45 years ago!

[@MilushevGeorgi]

I still like long formats yet 3 to 4 min is perfect

[@Chuck_Hooks]

F-35Bs alone have revolutionized US and Allied carrier warfare Rarely talked about

[@dx-ek4vr]

Shhh, don't talk about it. F-35 bad, y'know?

[@Spearhead45]

@@dx-ek4vr Really how so? Chinese air to air missiles will keep American planes at bay Not to mention American carriers are subject to Chinese hypersonic ballistic ship killing missiles. It is well known and documented the Institute for the study of war has ran multiple Multiple war games scenarios and each of them shows the United States losing four carriers in the first week... we have four shipbuilders in the United States of America and every one of them is behind schedule and does not know what they're doing they are behind they are low on skilled workers. so please I really want to hear

[@kingdoener11]

@@Spearhead45 still it will take china decades to compensate the lack of tech

[@Chuck_Hooks]

@Spearhead45 For starters, F-35Bs, via datalink, can redirect surface ship, land, and submarine launched missiles. Done from a stealth platform, it is a new era in carrier warfare.

[@artnull13]

@Spearhead45 yes B250 `Chyna #1 Chyna #1 you earn 50 social credits!

[@keithlillis7962]

I think I am correct in saying that the Brits invented chaff during WW2. It was codenamed 'Window' and consisted of aluminium strips cut to a specific length and thrown out of Lancaster bombers by the thousands, by hand. It successfully fooled German radar guided artillery and radar equipped night fighters. In fact, it was so successful that the Germans copied the idea and used it on their UK bound bombing missions only weeks after the first British deployments.

[@JosephNZUK]

We Brits did the strangest things that really screwed with the Germanic mindset.... Chaff, toy sized paratroopers with explosive poppers, mock inflatable tanks etc.

[@keithlillis7962]

@@JosephNZUK We certainly did 🙂

[@dogsnads5634]

The British and German's basically came up with Chaff at the same time, with the UK arguably ahead. Britain codenamed it 'Window', the German's called it 'Duppel. But....both, when they'd invented it, didn't use it for fear that the other side would make use of it as well.... The UK finally used it in 1943 during the huge bombing raids on Hamburg, along with centimetric radar, when they could be assured that the German Luftwaffe no longer had the strength to make full use of it. The 'Window' used completely collapsed the German radar based intercept system and radar guided gunnery system and the raids had comparatively few losses. After that it was used regularly.

[@SteveWong-oh4cl]

Thanks!

[@austinclark3495]

1:15 always cool to see renders with unacknowledged airframes.

[@Skinflaps_Meatslapper]

That render was probably the entire reason why he made the video, the can of jam was just an excuse to show off a new jet

[@twestgard2]

Yeah I was wondering about that wing pattern 🤔🤷‍♂️

[@concernedpatriot.2221]

We’ve had technology like this for decades. We have missiles that mimic the radar signature of F-15’s and once the missile detects an enemy radar has locked on to it, the missile immediately locks on to that radar and attacks it.

[@777Outrigger]

A flight of 4 F-35s are usually widely spaced and jamming hops from F-35 to F-35, randomly selected by computer. HOJ missiles would constantly be changing directions until out of gas or energy.

[@area51z63]

The term is out of fuel, which covers everything, unless the fuel is element 115 of course

[@deekamikaze]

That and a single F35 could dedicate their jammer and then go defensive to distract the enemy missile and break the lock with chaff or this system if it's good enough. I assume the enemy jet wouldn't be firing from a long distance due to the stealth so the enemy missile would have a higher probability of killing even if it was switching targets. It wouldn't be in a state where they could still be offensive and not have to worry about the incoming missile

[@nedkelly9688]

Why Australia invented MQ28 Ghost bat, they will fly ahead of manned platforms like F35 and jam and take on enemy fire, while the F35 hits it's targets....

[@777Outrigger]

@@deekamikaze I'm sure the F-35 has lots of tricks up it's sleeve that we don't know about. Top secret you know. But HOJ detects by homing in on the jamming signal, not by using radar return. Or am I wrong?

[@777Outrigger]

@@area51z63 Yes, just using an idiom, or a metaphor?

[@Broseph164]

Love your videos!

[@muctop17]

The biggest problem with anti-radar countermeasures is: When you fire flares, chafs or BriteClouds, they have no propulsion system of their own, so they quickly lose speed in comparison to the jet they came from, which can easily be detected by modern radars.

[@waynevan7050]

The towed jammer does not.

[@davidmurphy8190]

Kinematic flares can answer some of flare issues.

[@raymondbertrand4416]

Excellent update on F35 capabilities

[@cmaxxen]

There's a lecture by Fiona Clark, senior leader at Leonardo, and visiting professor at Cranfield, about this product and the tech around it somewhere on KZbin, Includes an amusing aside about shapes of chaff canisters/dispensers on different aircraft.

[@DeaconBlu]

Lol! Omg…I just love air forces/defense/anything related to a modern fighter. 😆😆😆😆 Just awesome Alex. Thanks mate! 😎👍

[@pcread]

From the folks that brought you the original radar jammer, Window.

[@NothernNate]

King of the skies! 🤘🏼

[@spinosarcadegaming4538]

Actually home-on-jam has existed for the better part of half a century at this point. Late model AIM-7 Sparrows had HOJ capabilites at least to some degree. I believe AIM-54 had it, and of course so does AIM-120. Not sure about eastern-bloc AAMs but I suspect R-27, R-37, and R-77 all have some type of HOJ capabilities. We do know for sure that a passive homing version of the R-27 (R-27EP) does exist, so the technology is there.

[@mmedved5567]

Ok, but this ain't that.

[@jeffbenton6183]

That's exactly what makes jammer-decoys so compelling. Have the decoy do the jamming instead of the plane

[@chukkie0001]

Leonardo did have a nice video about this some years ago: "Electronic Warfare Invisible Protection November 2022". Its an 1h talk about the design of that system.

[@matthewguerin3982]

It does NOT do anything with heatseeking missiles though. Flares will still be needed as countermeasures to defeat multiple types of anti-air systems.

[@glennridsdale577]

I thought that was abundantly clear from the video. I doubt we'll see an F-35 with a laser DIRCM unless one can be made significantly smaller and less power hungry, which seems improbable: it is likely on F/A-XX, NGAD and GCAP, though.

[@ashleygoggs5679]

It isnt to be used as a replacement its to be used as an addition too. There is no panacea defense you need to ave the best tool for specific jobs and for heat seekers nothing is ever going to replace flares.

[@kerbalairforce8802]

Infrared missiles are short range. You have to get much closer to use them effectively.

[@dgthe3]

@@kerbalairforce8802 But given the difficulty in being able to detect, then lock on to an F35, there isn't going to be too much of a gap between the engagement range of a radar guided missile & a heat seeker as far as F35s are concerned.

[@machinech183]

...and the capt'n obvious award goes to Matt for his incredible grasp of it. I bow to your ability to address a subtopic of the discussion that was never on the table in the first place.

[@Skinflaps_Meatslapper]

Knowing the DOD, these cans of raspberry jam probably cost 2-3x the missiles they're intending to counter. Just the kind of bargain they were hunting for...

[@czinn327]

Thank you for your on-point and concise video. It shows your respect for the viewer.

[@LearningAstrophotography-jj9en]

Great info as usual

[@dylanfk5445]

I haven’t Even watch the video yet and I’m gonna give my review 10/10. Keep up the great work 😤🤌🏽

[@area51z63]

What is this new toy needed for if the F35 is invisible to radar? Seems that someone is lying again So next time pay attention

[@Davethreshold]

And for that, I give YOU a 10/10!! ❤🤍💙

[@nedkelly9688]

He is pretty bad at journalism lol especially in hypersonics area. do you know Australia is ahead of USA in scramjet technology and probably beat USA in flying hypersonic drones...

[@dylanfk5445]

@nedkelly9688 you seem to just constantly parrot USA sucks Australia (of all places) is ahead in military tech. Blind nationalism much? Classic aussies jealous of America talking trash online.

[@dylanfk5445]

@@Davethreshold I love you too

[@sgt.grinch3299]

Thanks Alex

[@brandonl8039]

You know, I used to think the War Thunder vehicle upgrade scheme was unrealistic. Then we built the F35. One day we will get the F-35 spaded.

[@bbwphantom]

Cool vid thanks for the information

[@dB-hy6lh]

The BriteCloud Wikipedia page reports it was designed over a decade ago by an Italian multinational company, so I don't think this is Big Headline Leading Edge Exciting / Drool-worthy News.

[@christopherrobinson7541]

The only news is that it has been adopted as standard and been integrated into the F-35.

[@dogsnads5634]

It was developed in the UK...in Edinburgh at the old Marconi offices on a UK contract. It's actually been operational on UK Typhoon and before they were retired in 2019 it was also operational on Tornado. Thats in the circular 'can' variant for Saab dispensers, which the UK uses. The Britecloud variant for US dispensers, called the 218, was trialled by the US ANG on F-16 a few years ago and immediately recommended for purchase. Integration on F-35 is a new development though.

[@Xenomorphine]

Submariners: "Noisemakers for the skyfolk."

[@nimbusnation9584]

That sounds good to me... let's get it on!

[@area51z63]

What is this new toy needed for if the F35 is invisible to radar? Seems that someone is lying again

[@joevaccaro6655]

What this aircraft can do is staggering :)

[@stuuuporman]

The ChiComs thank you for clarifying their espionage agent's questions.

[@thomashorstedt3059]

JAS39 E Has the same system.

[@harshraj8729]

I was thinking 🤔 the same it's already in use in saab gripen .

[@jsackett42160]

"Bright Cloud"....sounds like a program for gifted kindergarten students 😮😮😂😂

[@ozzy7763]

Would it not matter if these decoys were recovered by the enemy?

[@lowspeed2000]

That's some crazy stuff!

[@specc_s1452]

People have the misconception that 4.5 gen and 5th gen aircraft are worlds apart. Not really, 5th gens just have a fancy low rcs design but pretty much equal technology

[@RichelieuUnlimited]

Lockheed Martin‘s marketing was very successful. But I bet i. e. Eurofighter will still be in production by the time the F-35 gets retired.

[@nedkelly9688]

lmao you have no idea do you. 5th gen are way more advanced, only people with no clue speak like you. F35 has so much computerised systems and parts have AI in it, told by a RAAF commander in a interview of why people think it is a bad jet, just have no clue on it's technology and that is top secret still....

[@kingkea3451]

This is cool! Very similar to Elbit systems' one which uses common countermeasure pods

[@MrGriff305-d3u]

If only Elon and Trump weren't insane, I'd feel better about the future

[@BaBaYaga1999-p7u]

💯

[@Kingdoms_and_Kobolds]

Do you get attacked by hummingbirds trying to feed on your delicious, sugary clown tears? 😂🤣 🤡

[@USS-SNAKE-ISLAND]

We're definitely living in an upside down type world. Damn.

[@dextermorgan1]

TDS has entered the chat. You people need serious mental help. You're the crazy one and you have absolutely no idea. It's sad.

[@Kingdoms_and_Kobolds]

Must be rough living as a clown, getting attacked by swarms of hummingbirds trying to feed on those sugary tears 🤡😢 😂🤣

[@xstarwolfx]

The model you used reminds me of the F-19, and it's funny the game had multiple small decoys. The future has caught up!

[@tombearclaw]

that capability is awesome for the f35 but imagine if it was incorporated into the 4th generation fighters and our bomber fleet so that we can increase the survivability of our whole Air Force

[@mikeharvey9184]

If (and I see no reason why they wouldn't) they start integrating these systems into the F-15EX and Super Hornet (both BriteCloud and The towed decoys), those platforms are going to become even more of the beasts that they already are.

[@CHLBUTTERWORTH]

They already are. Alex mentioned they're in use on the Typhoon and now retired Tornado. So could easily be fitted to current fighters.

[@deekamikaze]

​@@CHLBUTTERWORTH he meant the US bombers and 4th Gen fleet. I'm sure it would be as easy as a little bit of programming and an extra pod mounted so they could quickly throw these onto a 4th Gen fighter or a bomber. These aren't a get out of jail free card though. It's still just a deterrent while the aircraft would need to defend

[@trollhunter7764]

The sad thing is in recent Congressional hearings the Air Force admitted that only 15% of f-35s are combat ready. The rest are broken and being serviced. What a big waste of money!!!

[@IzodLacoste]

Very cool, now we only need the plane in the air and not in maintenance.

[@20Mb01]

The company is Italian (although with a huge UK participation). The sensor suite and data processing of the F35 can really boost the britecloud effectiveness.

[@dogsnads5634]

Britecloud is a UK development. Although Leonardo is an Italian company, the development of this was all at Leonardo UK, in particular the Edinburgh division which used to be called Selex...previously Alenia Marconi (a joint Leonardo/BAE company)...and before BAE took them over they were known as GEC Marconi. Briteclouds IP is all owned by the UK, with the development funded by the UK MoD.

[@20Mb01]

@ i didn’t say that britecloud wasn’t developed by the UK, it absolutely was and still is. I’m well aware both of the history of the system (a great one) and of the Electronics Division of Leonardo. Still the company is Italian , and that doesn’t take any credit off the UK but it highlights the complexity of the European defense industry panorama, where cooperation (if done right) can give birth to products that are really valid.

[@LoganWiseley]

​@@20Mb01when Europe's top nations actually work together and build something properly it's not that far behind the US tbh

[@USS-SNAKE-ISLAND]

We'd better get Elon's opinion on this before we go any further!

[@Spearhead45]

Well considering how Elon is far smarter than anybody in the defense industry I'd say we should wait for Elon's opinion.

[@jordibt1789]

​@@Spearhead45 FR we need Elon to tell us what to think, otherwise how could we ever be right

[@Spearhead45]

@@jordibt1789 considering Elon Musk with SpaceX single-handedly destroyed legacy American contractors I’d say yeah Elon Musk is a good person to get info from. How was United launch alliance doing? A joint venture between Boeing and Lockheed Martin.?? oh that’s right SpaceX destroyed them

[@Spearhead45]

@@jordibt1789 Yeah well like I said Elon Musk and his Spacex has single-handedly destroyed American defense contractors for example look at United Launch Alliance a joint venture between Boeing and Lockheed Martin spaceX has single handedly shut that business down South much so Boeing wants nothing to do with space anymore. lmao Why can't you people understand that American defense contractors are not very good. I want you to look at the top five contractors in the United States Look at the vehicles they are producing, general dynamics striker shorad, lmao what a joke using Hellfire missiles as a short range air defense asset Lmao with a little kilowatt laser beam to down drones? lmao That is comical. or how about the new M10 Booker? Does that not do it for you how about the biggest joke of them all.. the F-35

[@themodeladultcentral6920]

:))))))

[@bertg.6056]

A great synopsis of a very interesting CM.

[@chaosfenix]

It would be interesting if they could have a Return to Sender feature. Basically spoof the radar to the extent that the missile could target the firing location.

[@deekamikaze]

That would be very hard to replicate. It would have to send out its own radar frequency to detect the enemy jet without long distance guidance of the F35 because the F35 would be defending while still sending out a frequency for the incoming missile to spoof it and then it would have to have the fuel to get the other missile to turn around. The incoming missile would lose too much energy in the turn to head back that it would run out of battery or energy and end up hitting the ground long before it made contact with the firing jet. Missiles only have a limited burn time while they climb so they can use that stored energy to be carried into their target. The easiest solution would be to guide the enemy missile far enough to the side that it wouldn't be able to use its own radar cone to reacquire the F35 again which is essentially what chaff already does.

[@chaosfenix]

@@deekamikaze And here I was thinking that missiles have 30 minute burn time like they do in the movies. :) Yeah I get that what I said would be incredibly difficult and in many ways wouldn't work. It was more aspirational than realistic.

[@topfeedcoco]

Imagine having to hear this guy IRL.

[@johncnorris]

What's next from Elon, will he complain that BriteCloud can't be landed and reused like an airliner?

[@knutbergan]

Sounds like missiles of the future needs to be augmented with visual target tracking.

[@RichelieuUnlimited]

Originally developed for Eurofighter, probably the only aircraft harder to shoot down than the F-35.

[@well-blazeredman6187]

Nice to see British ECM finding favour across the Pond - but I suspect that the IDF still sets the standard for ECM. It gets more practice than other air forces.

[@pauljackson1744]

Only 5,000,000 $ each lol

[@buildmotosykletist1987]

Nope. Why are you so ashamed of your Han name that you use a western name ?

[@riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiip]

Better a 5 million dollar decoy than a 100 million dollar jet

[@buildmotosykletist1987]

@@riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiip : They're not $5M, an easy search to debunk his silly comment.

[@JarodFarrant]

If I know anything about the military, it’s that if they were billing this now they already have a better version being developed.

[@boines]

seems like what my uni IT department was develpoing. Same ideal using a pi as source and others. once pi finds the radar signal from ground or air it then acts as an aircraft so radar locks on it and hits it. Very cheap to produce as well and very much expendable etc Also made locally very fast.

[@Rvbcaboose714]

Thought my phone battery died video was so short

[@williamblaker2628]

The downside of BrightCloud is that they fall to the ground over enemy territory, where they can be recovered and reverse engineered. With chafe or flares, thats not a concern. Also, the towed jammer that the F-35s are equipped with remains attached to the F-35 until it's either destroyed by a missile, or it's reeled back into the F-35.

[@christopherrobinson7541]

BrightCloud self destructs.

[@zakwalls7582]

So genuine question, how does the pilot know which type of countermeasure to use to redirect inbound fire? I really hope launching countermeasures isn’t a high stakes game of rock, paper, billion dollar aircraft

[@cmontes85]

Why do we put everything out there. Can't we keep military secrets.

[@LoganWiseley]

If you know details about it. Then it's already obsolete. US military in a nutshell.

[@gprojectnoob4779]

I have an idea. A system that when the plane has a rocket coming at it, an electronic signal is sent to make the plane mimic a 500 ft wide and long radar image so the missle doesnt know where the plane really is making the hitbox massive althought the target is actually a speck within the big area.

[@Battleneter]

Not needed, you just need to call out "smoke in the air" and perform a barrel roll.

[@Rico-ux9ve]

The Swedish Gripen E has hade it for long.

[@ramonpunsalang3397]

Any more information on the Navy's Laser Induced Plasma Filament tech ie. the ability of a jet to create and project a virtual thermal image to lure IR AAMs away from the aircraft?

[@jfboisvert9624]

I like these shorter video!

[@kaizer7568]

Well, you don't need to shoot it down if it falls by itself

[@hsaurid]

Alex, how easily is scaling up building of Brite Cloud? If it can be scaled up 5x or more of current production rates, this would be great. Also, can this be used on F-16s?

[@christopherrobinson7541]

It is used on the F-16 & F-18, but has a different conformation.

[@gusgone4527]

Maximam differentiam rerum minima faciunt. - The smallest of things make the biggest difference.

[@leovolont]

Yeah, I worked at Raytheon, the Old Hughes Aircraft Company (never produced a Military Airplane but thousands of missiles). There I wondered why they didn't create Anti-missile missiles. I think that the AIM Missiles, because of their wide field of vision, had the capability of whipping around and being able to lock onto an incoming missile, but that's not something they'd tell a Tech about, but I worked at the Testing Station and it just seemed like with everything that we were testing it for, it seemed that spotting, locking on, and taking out an incoming missile would have been up its alley. But, an AIM missile to shoot down another missile seems like more GUN then the size of the bear would warrant. Really, they could have used a missile no larger or much more complicated than a Stinger Missile, where propellent and thrust would not even be necessary.... it would only need to be able to glide to an intercept position and then blow up. But, yes, to intercept missiles coming from head on, you know, 12 O'clock High, then a Stinger Style propellant charge would be enough to Reach Out and Blow Up Something. Oh, I can imagine Intelligence Analysts reading this comment and then digging in to find out if I'm actually talking about anything In Work. Well, I'll save them some time: NO! But if it isn't in work, then it should be.

[@yellow73914]

Don't most modern missiles have proximity sensors to determine when they're close enough to detonate? Why not make a system that tricks the proximity fuse into thinking it's close when it's well outside of being able to affect the aircraft?

[@DAT240Z72]

Why do refuse to acknowledge that stealth is no longer stealthy? For more than a decade, every major military has deployed stealth defeating radar!

[@shadymerchant1198]

The s 400 was unable to detect or destroy the Israeli f 35

[@Music5362]

Surprised more focus isn't made to destroy incoming missiles with ultra short range, mini missiles.

[@skyepilotte11]

Very interesting...have they had live fire testing ?

[@DeepSpaceIndustriesLOL]

I highly highly doubt its cheap Especially from the UK 😭

[@frostblasts]

Chaff, flare, and spoofing? Nice overmatch

[@jg3000]

So like a tow that doesn't need to be towed.

[@keso_de_bola1750]

I'm convinced they just took Russia's threat of the S400 that it can "detect" the F35 at face value, and the British and Americans just said "aight, bet".

[@David-v9u3p]

I would like to see data on how much more effective this is over flares/chaff. I can’t imagine how much these things are but look at cost of F35

[@videre8884]

One of those soda cans will probably cost a little less than the F-35 itself.....You shouldn't be so over the top with your praise, when the defense industry hears that these things are useful, they will change the price from "overpriced" to "almost impossible to pay for". The F-35 could simply sling its super expensive high-tech bolts at the enemy to escape. That might be cheaper than those soda cans.

[@Will-W]

Uh random question, wouldn't it be smarter to put the antenna on the back of the "decoy" as it's going to be "falling forward" due to the plane's speed and forward motion? Or am I overthinking things?

[@Trojan0304]

Read about before but like your graphics.

[@Ariel-x1x]

The F-35 has a powerful multi-band jammer built right into its airframe. This is why USAF don't operate a dedicated electronic-attack aircraft, like the EA-111 Raven anymore. Nor do they want any aircraft like the E/A-18G Growler. When F-35A is networked together (and they always are), they can perform automated networked regional jamming. This is what Israel did in order to destroy all the Russian S300s and S400s in Iran recently. They didn't have a chance of survival. In big exercises like Red-Flag in the USA and exercise Pitch Black in Australia the F-35A is repeatedly used to escort fleets of F-16C/D, F-15C/E/EX, F/A-18C/D/E/F, Typhoons, Rafale, Tornadoes and Mirage. The F-35A repeatedly clears the way to and from targets, and 100% of the targets are hit. F-35A made all of them obsolete, but it also made all of them survivable and remain usable, regardless. The F-22A also has an in-built high-powered jammer-array inside it. But when the F-35B entered active service in mid-2015 (USMC) the F-35 was a vastly superior as a BVR stealth fighter to even the F-22A Especially in 2017. This is because at that time, the F-22A was limited to radar-guided attacks only. The problem with this is that radars emit so they are not stealthy. They broadcasted their identity and the direction to them, and the approximate distance to the F-22A. This meant that when an F-22A attacked, it was not a stealthy fighter anymore. This was a major weakness, one that the F-35A could exploit, because the F-35A could do the same things that an F-22A does for BVR, but the F-35A can also do a full dedicated stealth long-range IRST attack, that does not tell the enemy that you're present and attacking them. The enemy could not, detect, track nor look for it. It could be in any direction at any range less than 150 km away. In combat terms this made the F-35A vastly more dangerous than the shockingly lethal F-22A already was. However the F-22A has since been developed and upgraded into a passive full-stealth networked BVR attacker as well (at great cost!). But today an F-22A now mimics an F-35A's capability to attack using passive sensors in full stealth. Plus it still has the kinematic advantages of stealth and altitude in air-to-air fighting. It was the F-35A that made the F-22A so much more deadly now. It was not the other way around. The West absolutely needs the F-35A/B/C to make all aircraft in Western air forces worth having still. And on top of its shocking lethality, every F-35 also carries a towed decoy to pull the missile away from the F-35. The F-35 also carries air to air missiles that can make 50G and 180 degree turns in less than one second, and accelerate towards an incoming enemy air-to-air BVR missile at Mach-4, and end the enemy's attack on the F-35. The F-35 has 7 separate advanced IRSTs on it, and more passive situational-awareness and practical, tactical capabilities than any other fighter flying. It's also practically impossible to ambush it, to begin with. This awareness is not reliant on human brains either to discover the enemy's presence, alert the pilots. Every one of the IRSTs has its own process for IDing everything it sees, then classifies it and prioritizes it for engagement. Plus the MADL comms network tells the entire allied network about what it has found--in near real time. It is this "millions of lines of code' that creates the integrated "SYSTEM OF SYSTEMS" data integration paradigm, which makes AN F-35 so incredibly difficult to find, attack and defeat. It's not any one thing, it's all of the things, at once. BriteCloud is just one of these. And there is so much more to this. Hopefully, when people see Elon Musk making statements on X like, "It's a bad design", they realize he's just demonstrating that he does not understand anything about this aircraft, and his brash personal opinion is simply irrelevant bloviation, which should be discarded like any other activist's dreary nonsense.

[@christiangilensparr6225]

The JAS 39 E have them👍🏻

[@dirk6001]

So all my missiles are useless? That's just not ok.

[@craigkdillon]

Do you enough info to compare and contrast the ECM, spoofing, and jamming defense capabilities of US planes vs Chinese and Russian planes??? IF so, I would love to see such a video.

[@MRblazedBEANS]

I figured they allready had little drones of flairs and chaft that could fly around and trick the missle

[@ThunderDeStorma]

Out of 1000+ best ever hangar queen built yet combat readiness upto 29% only😂

[@brianfoley4328]

Oh yeah, well you left out two capabilities...when fired by the aircraft, it sends out jamming signals and also sends a false signal...but...it also screams "Hey, I'm over here" and waves little arms back and forth to get the anti-aircraft's attention. The Mk II version adds little red flags to those arms to distract the inbound missiles.

[@Notyou5556]

Active decoys have been around for 20 years. Not new.

[@jayprosser7349]

Curious how they test these without damaging the targeted craft

[@cvhinson1]

While that looks impressive, its availability is severely lacking. The U.S. military's F-35 Lightning II fighters have failed to meet their readiness goals for six consecutive years, according to a recent report from a congressional watchdog. GAO's report about the U.S. military's tactical aviation readiness additionally found that none of the F-35's three variants met their desired mission-capable rates in fiscal years 2018 through 2023.

[@mochathegrande3640]

but can it trigger the proxy fuse

[@robertneal4244]

Does the Air Force still use ALQ pods for ECM or is that more of a built in system now?

[@christopherrobinson7541]

Pods are still used for the older aircraft, such as F-16 & F-18.

[@adamberkeley2127]

So basically it’s a submarine countermeasure

[@Liedragon]

Why would you make this information publicly available.

[@sporkstar1911]

More capable systems? How about this... Computerized tracking can differentiate between the target being locked and any other signatures that get released - keeps tracking the original even if new signatures appear, ignores them. Laser Cannons don't need a radar or heat signature lock since they hit immediately. Like a gatling air to air weapon but with a 20 mile range.

[@mrfunnylookinhayes9088]

Anyone seen the news tonight? Those drones are back over army bases again.

[@Chuck8541]

All this to protect pilots in a jet that can only deliver a couple bombs. Now the Chinese are working on drones that act as a mother ship for suicide drones. Hopefully as it’ll be ‘made in China’, it’ll be garbage. But they’re at least trying to be forward thinking. I’m starting to feel like I’ve only got hopium to rely on, that the US has some snazzy toys to counter drone swarms. Otherwise all this self defense stuff is kinda moot, and it doesn’t matter if they’re J20 or H2(?) even works.

[@tlevans62]

I’m pretty sure you’re going to 3D print one of these Alex.

[@michaellanoue9156]

Another reason Musk is wrong on the efficacy of the F 35. Thanks for the update.