American Gospel Downplays Luther's Antisemitism

American Gospel Downplays Luther's Antisemitism
Dr. Brown responds to Chris Rosebrough.

[@LFTV]

From the Line of Fire team: In keeping with our policy, anyone posting blatantly antisemitic comments here will be banned from the channel. (It is the same with blatantly racist comments.)

[@Kurt2222]

Would I be wrong to claim that jews appear to be racist in general? From my observations, i believe this. I want to know for sure if a comment like this is acceptable. I'm multi-ethnic myself. I dated a part Jewish woman years ago, I'm friends with a Jewish woman today, she is married to a messianic Jewish convert.

[@ryangallmeier6647]

Dr. Brown, I remember when you were debating Jewish Religious leaders and defending Christianity against their falsehoods, errors, and lies. I still appreciate your work in this area. My question is, 'can we just let Matin Luther be Martin Luther?,' recognizing that he was a great Reformation leader, but was still flawed? Wasn't he a product of his time, just like the Ante-Nicene, Nicene, and Post-Nicene fathers were long before him? And what about those Jewish Religious leaders you debated who said that the New Testament was 'anti-semitic'? Wasn't Luther just responding to Jewish 'anti-goyism', at least to some extent? If the Jews are going to be 'anti-goyim,' then can't the goyim respond to them by throwing their arrogance back in their faces? Can't Christians? Just some questions, Dr. Brown, before you judge a brother in Christ (Martin Luther) too harshly. He was Justified by God; he'll be Glorified at the Resurrection at the 2nd Advent. Luther wasn't sinless in his life. But we will ALL be that way at the Return of the KING! *Soli Deo Gloria*

[@AlexartCorp]

@@thenzlander7605was Jesus also self righteous when he claimed “salvation comes from the Jews”?

[@sorrowinchrist3387]

If luther can be accepted then Andy be accepted then???????? Seem fair? Luther speak bad things on race and Andy speak good thing on gay. So lets have Andy on! :) Should Benny Hinn be on now should we listen to him like Coppland if luther is accepted??? This is major!

[@lesliegoode8962]

@@AlexartCorpit was in Him. To the Jew first and then also to the gentile. I don’t have a racist bone in my body because all of us look different - what is the truth and who do you confess as coming in the flesh and the only way one can gain salvation. It’s only through Jesus Christ. He said “It is finished” I believe Him.

[@RuslanKD]

I think the way you framed Luther was smart. The issue is, they were consistent in the moment. And I think it should be reasonable for us to rebuke the Kenneth Copeland’s and Benny Hinn’s on their false teaching. Not speaking about their salvation but at least saying what they said about Luther. Those two probably shouldn’t be ministry. The backtracking and subsequent video they put up wasn’t helpful. Two things can be true at the same time. Luther was wrong about multiple things (we should be able to acknowledge this as Protestant) And Benny Hinn and Copeland preach a polluted gospel and need to repent and step back from ministry.

[@emmanuelmakoba6085]

Amen

[@freetruth264]

agreed!

[@aprilm3453]

Perfectly said. I agree!

[@onlyonethingisneedful]

Amen 💯

[@Golden_writes550]

Honestly all 4 person's there need to repent. Unfortunately this is protestantism. Cofusion

[@soundmind6477]

Dr Micheal, please address what is going on in the church today! That was what American gospel was supposed to be about. There are many false prophets and teachers in the church today, Kevin Zadai being one, yet you refuse to call him out!

[@niemand262]

Even in sheep's clothing... wolves hunt in packs.

[@harleewaites8227]

Bc Michael brown is a false teacher himself. This man is dangerous

[@TCM1231]

Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus

[@juboy04]

@@harleewaites8227shut up

[@kallytem9652]

Why is Kevin zadai a false prophet?

[@danickamartin4135]

As an ethnic Anabaptist whose ancestors were viciously murdered by Luther, Zwingli, and Calvin in addition to the Catholic Church of the day, I am also very torn when it comes to the teachings of Luther. If it hadn’t been for his writings, our people wouldn’t have had our eyes opened to the truth in God’s Word and been saved by His Grace! And yet he was a cruel and murderous man who encouraged genocide on my people. Many cessationists/reformed are descended from the very people who imprisoned and murdered my people 300-500 years ago. But no one speaks of it today! Why??

[@President_-Trump]

As a cradle baptist now catholic, when i found that the majority of anabaptists were killed by the magesterial protestants it really opened me eyes and it surprise me that the anabaptist who were strongly influenced by zwingli were killed by the man they were influenced by.

[@stephenfisher3721]

As a Jew, Christianity seems historically to be a violent intolerant bunch of haters. I realize this is not the message of Jesus, but it is enough for me to never want to be part of the Christians.

[@justchilling704]

@@President_-TrumpYeah the it’s disturbing stuff to read about. Calvin was it seems the least anti-Judaism of the bunch, but they all murdered religious minorities sickening.

[@karldo4809]

​@@President_-TrumpThe Catholic Church was also responsible for killing people (Jews and Protestants). Anglicans killed people too (Methodists and Presbyterians). The only ones who never killed anyone are Baptists, Anabaptists, Pentecostals, and Charismatic s.

[@JuliexSteadman]

@@President_-Trump "the anabaptists were killed by Zwingli, the man they were influenced by." wow !! wow wow - I did not know that... I knew they were killed by Calvin which really makes Calvin an anti-christ quite frankly.... ...the anabaptists seem like the real christians to me...

[@user-iu4gc1dx1j]

Is there a way to get your transcript of this episode so I may show others what Luther said about the Jews? Can I call into your ministry so I can get this document this statements which is so important!!!??? Rod

[@Sheikh_Speare]

I'm sure if you call in during the live Line of Fire he can give them to you.

[@AlexartCorp]

It’s so easy to find it online. Just google it.

[@nerdykidnick]

just get the pdf version of the book and email that.

[@valeriesotiropoulos9720]

Watch Lloyd de jongh he has loads of knowledge about him and facts

[@THATjeffdelaney]

Also, Nazi's were NOT Christians. Not even in the basic tenet of the faith.

[@impalaman9707]

100 percent. At best---they used the church as a means to an end. And discarded them when they found them no longer useful

[@Stangy04]

Neither Luther by his actions…

[@amy1952]

The problem is they *thought* they were Christians. Hitler said, _"We do not tolerate anyone in our ranks who offends the ideas of Christianity, who stands up to a dissident, fights him, or provokes himself as a hereditary enemy of Christianity. This movement of ours is actually Christian."_ In addition, many Germans who were professing Christians supported and truly admired Hitler, thinking he would make Germany great again.

[@reimundkrohn8938]

Dr Brown says this same thing… BUT they were the children of “Christians”.

[@faithfulservantofchrist9876]

That's not true at all. Plenty of high ranking Nazis were devoted Catholics. Matter of fact Hitler befriended the Catholics and made some type of deal with them to get their votes and afterwards he screwed them over. Now obviously I would say deep down they're not Christians. But they did use it for political gain.@@impalaman9707

[@J21665]

Luther passed away centuries ago. Would he repent if he were alive today? It's uncertain. However, the present-day false teachers are among us, offering you the opportunity to rectify their misinterpretations and prevent the distortion of scriptures. These individuals are currently active; why not challenge their message that distorts the essence of charismatics so boldly?

[@JimiSurvivor]

Luther KNEW the teachings of Jesus. He could not plead ignorance. Neither can defenders of Luther claim that since he committed his crimes centuries ago that they have passed some arbitrary "statute of limitation." There is no statute of limitations attached to hate and murder. If there is then what is it? Cessationists are still accusing men John Alexander Dowie of their crimes and he died before I was born. However, when it comes to their Reformation heroes they are ready to forget what they did just because they like their system of theology. Look at the depth of guilt Luther and the Reformers incurred. Even the craziest Charismatic teacher does not call for the massacre of other sects of believers just because they differ with them on some doctrinal point...but the Reformers did except for a rare few like Sebastian Castellio. Historically, there is no evidence that Luther ever repented. Neither did Calvin or Zwingly. Their rotten fruit came from a rotten heart cultivated and watered with hatred.

[@J21665]

@@JimiSurvivor but charismatics don’t know the teachings of Jesus so they get a pass?

[@JuliexSteadman]

@@J21665 no, they can read, they have no excuse today... nearly everyone can read and afford a bible in the west...

[@JuliexSteadman]

@@J21665 plus the fact that God promises to reveal the truth to those who want to do whats right and have a passion for what the truth is... and to hide it from those who dont.... 2 Thess 2:10 They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

[@IloveBTCandICP]

Wow Dr Brown... I was not aware of any of that... I am a Jewish believer and have followed and listened to you for years. I unfortunately have gotten sucked in a bit to Fighting For the Faith KZbin channel and I will not be able to watch that man ever again after this video and I could not be more thankful for you doing this video. I was completely unaware of who Martin Luther was and his major role in guiding the Nazi's to how to conduct the Holocaust and attempt the extermination of the Jewish people. I always had a weird feeling about watching somebody who called themselves "Lutheran" not just "Christian" but wrote it off because he seemed to be very Biblically based. Thinking back though I always had a weird feeling in my stomach and heart when the man would mock people relentlessly in very rude obnoxious ways and act as if it's ok. It never felt ok and now I can see the hatred is stemming from the original hatred in the heart of Martin Luther the one this man follows apparently more than Jesus because thats who he wants to be known by when he claims his faith as "Lutheran". I cannot thank you enough for this Video Dr. Brown, honestly I am sickened by that man and so thankful you helped open my eyes to the truth and I will not only not watch his videos ever again I may have to start posting this video in his comment feeds because I'd bet a large number of his audience has no idea the evil hatefilled roots of Lutheranism (not sure if thats a word lol). God bless you Dr. Brown and I just want to thank you for standing up for what you believe in and loving Jesus so much and reaching out to our Jewish people your entire life and not writing them off as these evil Lutherans seem to have done.

[@racerx4152]

if we are to be fair, if were going to do a bio on a leader, then we need to look at the good and the bad. at the very least luther caused the reformation, and that's good. his comments about jews and peasants was obviously evil though. i wouldn't doubt that most lutherans have never read luthers hateful remarks. i've been a christian for 50 years and only heard this bad about luther about 20 years ago. i mean I only recently found out that martin luther king was not a christian and was a fornicator. what a shock to me.

[@TCM1231]

Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus Be on the Ark or perish. May All-Mighty God Bless you

[@catholictruth102]

Look into the Catholic faith :) the early Christian’s were catholic.

[@lpcruz5661]

I identify as a Lutheran, Roseborough is what we would call Synodica/Waltherian - I do not recommend people listening to him simply because of the things you just said. I do not listen to him - he is boring and the things he said are old tunes. There are indeed charismatic excesses and once you know they exists - you will soon grow tired of Roseborough. Please do not tar all Lutherans - I only use it as a label for location of my confession - many of us independent Lutherans now would like to be known as Christians or Evangelicals.

[@Live-and-Move]

Christ taught us to love everyone you meet. Even the people that were trying to kill him. Though He felt very strongly about false prophets and people twisting the message. Though I believe Christ would want us to share the true word with them through love to give them the chance to see how the hateful views of some does not go with walking with Christ. In my opinion Luther was arrogant and vain to believe he knew how and when God wanted things to happen.

[@JuliexSteadman]

..yes, Luther did not know Christ or exhibit Christ likeness...

[@on-locationwithpastorbobma6656]

So glad you are speaking out on this matter. I agree this is just one example of how blind they are to their failures. Thanks, Michael.

[@sorrowinchrist3387]

Lets pull in Andy stanley since Luther is accepted.

[@paztrapal6686]

​@@sorrowinchrist3387that's a false comparison

[@sorrowinchrist3387]

@@paztrapal6686 that is a perfect comparison. your defending luther with the pig!

[@paztrapal6686]

not at all . not justifying what luther has done. comparing martin luther to andy stanley is not the same. I myself am a Jewish believer In Yeshua. andy stanley is teaching heresies. luther should have stepped down from the ministry he was in and repent. @@sorrowinchrist3387

[@JuliexSteadman]

Luthers teaching went back to Augustine (ad400 who had gnostic leanings), not the early church fathers (ad70- 320 ish) before assimilation into Rome... We have the early church fathers (pre-niacene) letters. David Bercot - What the early church fathers believed about salvation kzbin.info/www/bejne/gKvUdYlvZqZ5htEsi=Ptfwq5mZrdo_-SL4 Leighton Flowers (former calvanist minister) - Did the early church fathers teach calvanism kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4W2dptnpJ17mqcsi=eH-BEdioGK23-qL1

[@kaylainchrist5339]

I thought you bringing this up during the round table was the right move, and you were correct in that argument. I was astonished at both the downplaying of the Luther critique during the round table AND in this future video. I’m glad you’re responding, and in all honesty, I was grieved at the entire round table. So much accusation, hyperbole, tearing down of others, it was just odd. I don’t blame anyone for stepping down from the project. We’re right to point out false teaching and false prophecy, but damning people to hell is unnecessary.

[@JuliexSteadman]

I thought the round table debate was brillian and necessary... And i still think that Benny Hinn etc should be called out by name as someone who is leading people into greed which is idolatory and will cause peoples spiritual death.. Just as Calvin caused peoples physical death... and I dont beleive he was alive spiritually... ...false teaching should always be called out... to save souls....

[@amyk87]

I was raised in an Apostolic Lutheran church that very much taught that Israel always has been and always will be God’s chosen people. I was stunned as an adult to learn of Luther’s antisemitism. How could Luther have felt like that when his Lord and Savior is Jewish?? Of course, he obviously dealt with mental illness, so perhaps that explains some of the disconnect? We now attend a Messianic Jewish synagogue, so my feelings of protectiveness towards my brothers and sisters is intensified. Only the Lord knows if Luther was saved, but I have serious reservations knowing what he believed.

[@Golden_writes550]

Do you think the mental illness came from the consequences of his rebellion against the Church? God's discipline?

[@GTX1123]

As a young man, Luther was somewhat benevolent towards Jews shortly after he broke away from the Catholic Church. He actually wrote a book caled "Jesus was a Jew" and criticized the Church for its antisemitism as the reason why Jews didn't believe in Jesus. But the seeds of antisemitism were apparant in Luther even then; i.e. Luther believed that once the Reformation took hold and the Catholic Church waned in its power, Jews would have "no excuse" as he put it. As the Reformation grew, Luther grew in his own power and he became very arrogant and intolerant. When Jews didn't accept his message the demonic venom of antisemitism began to manifest in him which grew worse and worse as he became old and sickly. Reform theologians have gone largely unchallenged on this issue for decades. It's about time someone like Dr. Brown is exposing this for what it is...

[@55k3v1n]

It kind of makes me think about how great teachers can go astray AFTER establishing an important truth. Maybe they let their ego get the better of them

[@GTX1123]

@@55k3v1n This is way more common than what most believers realize. One reason is because not all who go astray commit the more obvious / blatant sins like adultery. There are far more who get into pride to one degree or another. It's why humility and love are so important. IMO, Dr. Brown sets a good example of how an issue like this should be addressed. He's passionate but not insulting, degrading or passing judgment on those he's criticizing here. He's simply holding them accountable for what they've said. I've known Mike for 35 years; i.e. I was a student of his way back in 1989-91 when he was the dean of Messiah Biblical Institute so I'm not surprised. Mike was a solid leader back then and even more so now...

[@55k3v1n]

@@GTX1123 Yes Dr. Brown shows a lot of balance in his approach towards many important issues. He knows the essentials from the non-essentials. Some people cry "heretic" on the non-essentials such as pre-trib vs mid- or post, young earth vs old, when debating Calvinists, etc.

[@Tatibanana]

They won’t denounce their theological gods

[@de1623]

Agreed. Seems bar is too high for Hinn, Copeland, Bickle, etc to be called false teachers, but not too high for Luther......

[@JimiSurvivor]

@@de1623 I not know what standard or "bar" you are referring to. However, there is an important difference between Luther and hid Lutherans and the false teachers you mentioned and that is Luther not only disputed with the Jews. Paul did that. Luther led the Germans to commit acts of violence against them. Did any of the false teachers you mentioned here - Copeland, Bickle, (etc) commit mass murder?

[@de1623]

@@JimiSurvivorIf Luther's sinful words led to violence against Jews, does that outweigh sending People to hell through preaching a false gospel? I don't defend Luther, his fall into sinfulness was bad. He's been dead 500 years, but your false teacher's are alive and leading sheep to hell, they need to be rebuked.

[@e.m.8094]

Dr. Brown - have you been able to connect with CR via phone call yet after exchanging numbers? Just curious how that conversation went.

[@Battle_Faith-Ministries]

Thank you Dr. Brown for always standing up for truth

[@Taydutt13]

Blessed are those who bless Israel

[@jethrodebeer2217]

Jew for Jesus here, I respect Michael Brown. I think Martin Luther's moral failures should be dealt with more often. At the same time though I have watched Chris' videos on word of faith preachers, his insults aside, he has a good amount of valid criticism of them. I don't think that Martin Luther being more evil than word of faith preachers makes those same preachers more good. Chris is at fault for being soft on Luther, but I don't think that all his criticisms of word of faith can therefore be unaddressed or not considered.

[@JuliexSteadman]

yes absolutely. It is still no excuse to not call out the Word of Faith lot, they are causing peoples spirtual death (leading people into greed which is idolatory) which is actually more serious... But Luther should be called out as well, he caused peoples physical death and undoubtedly their spiritual death as well.. I know as a new christian, Calvanism led me into sin... it gave me no strength to resist it (I did not know there were different ways of interpreting scripture at the time). Once i learnt about armenianism it freed me up to just believe what was written in scripture....

[@josephrachellash7212]

Well put together rebuttal. Really well done.

[@Gv77880]

I didn’t know much about Luther except for the lies he fought against the catholic church. When I repented and was saved as I accepted Christ as my Lord and Savior I started to go in charismatic church, but for a year now I left them because of many unbiblical views and not been able to find a biblical church where I’m living. I’m now non denomination even if I sympathize with the reformed doctrines. Enough about me, the reality is that we live in a fallen world and WE ARE ALL SINNERS and need to take our Cross and repent daily. As is written there is no more distinction between Jews and Gentiles who are in Christ, our hearts as is written is wicked and if God should bless us by removing His restraining hands on our hearts just a little bit to let us realize how wicked and despicable our hearts truly are we wouldn’t walk so tall as we think. Christ is what matter, biblical truth and justice and righteousness is what we should pursuit.

[@JuliexSteadman]

Are you aware that there is a calvanistic and an armenian interpretation of scripture. Jacob Armenius although initially trained as a calvanist at Calvin's geneva university changed his mind after being challenged by a lay person.. You find that Calvins teachings go back to Augustine ad 400, not the early church fathers (ad70-320 ish) whose letters we still have (can publish the 10 book set as a pdf from scroll publishing - david bercots dictionary cross references with this). David Bercot is good on the ealry church fathers, here he is on what they beleived about salvation. His book 'Will the theologians please sit down' goes into Calvin and his Geneva bible with its copius notes which said OT law still applies (putting people to death for apostasy etc). kzbin.info/www/bejne/gKvUdYlvZqZ5htEsi=baWrlw8KCxAZPDc- Leighton flowers (former calvanist minister) on did the early church fathers teach the concepts found in calvanism kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4W2dptnpJ17mqcsi=ns1xnXliEQDW3mOj

[@caravaughn784]

Thank you for exposing and denouncing antisemitism wherever it rears its ugly head. I have criticized you for not standing strongly enough for victims of spiritual and sexual abuse, and I have been angry with you for that, but I recognize that you are speaking what needs to be spoken in many ways. Thank you

[@e.m.8094]

I was brought up in a Lutheran church for the first 18 years of my life. Not once did I hear about the horrible things that Luther said and did. It wasn't until I was born again and studied things on my own that I found out.

[@Galmala94]

Because Lutheran churches don't preach Luther but Christ crucified.

[@e.m.8094]

@@Galmala94 I mean, they did spend an awful lot of time talking about his catechism.

[@justchilling704]

@@e.m.8094Lutherans don’t follow Luther, Lutheran like Methodist was a label attached to them. They just agree with a lot of his theology. With that being said, they need to be honest about his bigotry and violence.

[@TCM1231]

@@Galmala94false.

[@JuliexSteadman]

Ive also recently found David Bercot very interesting as he says that Calvins teachings go back to Augustine (ad400) not the early church fathers (ad70 - 320 ish) before assimilation into Rome (in his book, 'Will the theologians please sit down'). The early church fathers did not teach calvinism (it obviously wasnt called that then), they did not teach saved by faith alone (mental ascent)... Salvation was a gift, but it was a living gift that had to be maintained, you could deny christ by your actions as much as your beliefs... and you could definitely lose your salvation. David Bercot - What the early church fathers believed about salvation kzbin.info/www/bejne/gKvUdYlvZqZ5htEsi=Ptfwq5mZrdo_-SL4 Leighton Flowers (former calvanist minister) - Did the early church fathers teach calvanism kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4W2dptnpJ17mqcsi=eH-BEdioGK23-qL1

[@nicoarnold2200]

Dr Brown, you always say that you cannot pass judgment on anyone that is being brought into the conversation, such as Hinn or one of the NAR prophets, because you never met the person and don't know their heart. What about Luther then, who lived 100s of years ago. To use Luther as a smoke screen behind which you hide is also a double standard and you expose your own unwillingness to make any form of comment on one of your fellow charismatics. I certainly hope I misunderstand the situation.

[@MrMustang13]

The evil and disaster that Luther brought upon Germany and Europe is horrendous. He aided in the splitting of Christendom, of which we still haven’t recovered from.

[@nicoarnold2200]

@@MrMustang13 Glad that you know your church history so well! I do not contest the facts at all. But I expect a modern-day "church leader" to use the same critical thinking and judgement when looking at supposed NAR preachers.

[@JimiSurvivor]

@@nicoarnold2200 Luther killed thousands of Anabaptists. How many have the NAR preachers killed?

[@n8mail76]

I'm not sure what your comment has to do with the video. There has been a schism between Jews and gentiles since the beginning. In the case of Martin Luther, he has many followers that hold to his actions as being an advancement of the Kingdom of God. YET, he is still promoted as a source for inspired theology while behaving contrary to the teachings of Christ and the Apostles. If the reformed church would acknowledge the false teachings that were taught by Augustine, Luther, Calvin, and the other influencial reformed theologians, they could participate in the restoration of the Church.

[@rauldelarosa2768]

Brother as an arminian cessationist I'm in a strange middle ground where I am riding the line and I don't advocate all things Calvinist obviously.. you were right in calling out the sins of Martin Luther and it very much saddens me that others haven't done that which you have rightly exposed my brother..

[@valeriesotiropoulos9720]

Watch Lloyd de jongh he talks about and has loads of knowledge about him

[@aaronmichaels807]

Wow, the comment in the end really confirms what I believe about the theological division in the church, on the one side, we have the anti-lgbtq conservative charismatics and on the other we have the traditional churches, lutherans, with liberal theology, accepting of LGBTQ people and hyper graceful. Not long ago I saw two tables, one debate, LGBTQ matters, on the one table opposing were charismatic conservatives, Brown included and on the other, pro LGBTQ, affirming, gracious minded lutheran lesbians.

[@matthewashman1406]

Filth

[@juanmontoya3377]

Dr.Brown standing on business!

[@racheltonner2509]

When it's convenient for him. He does all this research on Luther, but can't seem to find the time to research the prosperity teachers and call them out, especially his good pal Sid!

[@5070RAA]

Dr. Brown, thanks for educating me about this. I had no clue. I will be sure to mention this to others.

[@willstiffin5720]

Thank you, Dr. Brown, for all of this. I had no idea that Martin Luther said all of this, although I never actually looked into the motivations of Hitler-I definitely need to stay away from assumptions. Speaking about weights and measures as you mentioned, Hitler and the Nazis followed Luther almost to the letter-how many people have followed Benny Hinn’s statement about 9 gods to the letter? I haven’t heard of a single person doing that!

[@JuliexSteadman]

..you dont have to follow the 9 gods teaching to the letter... Hinn teaches you to own power for yourself independently of God, that was the first temptation in the garden, to be independent of God.. He leads people into greed which is idolatory which will land people in hell... Hinn is as guilty of killing people eternally as Luther was for killing people physically which is temporal... but also his teachings led people away from Jesus love and salvation...

[@JuliexSteadman]

youre comment: "Hitler and the Nazis followed Luther almost to the letter" Wow, I did not know that....

[@valeriesotiropoulos9720]

Lloyd de jongh has so much knowledge about him it led to what happened in Germany

[@jimmykashung]

Thank you

[@will_hargreaves]

In my opinion Dr Brown (and of course God alone is their judge) you are correct about ML. I think there is no excuse for the teachings and rantings of ML - regardless of the society he lived in. I think there is demonic opposition to Jews & Israel for the very reason that they ARE God's chosen people. That said, I am also of the view that Peters and Osman were largely correct regarding Copeland & Hinn. And I think the body of Christ would benefit from them being called out by the charismatic wing of the church. As sad as the situation is, I do hope the Mike Bickle saga will be somewhat of a wake-up call on the charismatic side of the fence. Just my opinion though.

[@sorrowinchrist3387]

Did you listen to what Luther said about the jews and the pig?

[@JoshDub78]

This is the right approach. We need to clean our houses and get them in order before we start accusing others. I would fall more on the charismatic side, definitely NOT in the "Reformed" camp. You and I agree that we cannot go around calling out heretics and false teachers when they exist on both sides. I wish the leaders would do this all privately, instead of on KZbin and social media. Then, if they won't listen to sound Biblical correction, bring it to the public (church). I think Peters and Osman are too quick to brand everyone as heretics and damn them to hell, and Charismatics need to nip false teaching in the bud post-haste. When we allow nonsense and false teachings to persist, it hurts the whole Body. There's a middle way, that accomplishes what we need to accomplish. And not the kind of middle way that is luke-warm or wishy washy, but the kind that accomplishes what needs to be accomplished.

[@sorrowinchrist3387]

@@JoshDub78 then call out Luther on his racist remark on pigs and jews. I am reformed and i see this is wrong. Luther cannot be defended cause of these statement.

[@JoshDub78]

@@sorrowinchrist3387 I agree 100%. I said the reformed guys were slow to call out their own. At least I did somewhere. It's completely hypocritical to judge Hinn and Copeland but not Luther.

[@sorrowinchrist3387]

@@JoshDub78 Hinn is on a different level to Luther. Costi hinn pointed out the issues with Hinn the prosperity movement. And Copeland has gone off with his multi million dollar jet and false things he said on God. He makes a living out of these Luther did not. Its like Luther mocking jews in all his sermons. But the reformer have to do better and something they do not.

[@friendshipchronicles]

Setup looks great! I think your white balance is a bit cold, and tint is a touch green. Would really help skin tones!

[@TedRobinson-cc9od]

What Martin Luther Said about the Jews Dietrich bonhoffer countered Those concepts And became a martyr for the cause

[@user-iu4gc1dx1j]

Dr. Brown... We need a video in a presentation to expose these comparisons one against another. The facts are overwhelming that they overlook their pet leaders. These are unequal balances, and misguided leaders who are sold out to their religious brand and their clubs. If you go there the first thing is you have to put on their dark glasses, and pretend you can't see things like these in order to dtsy in the club!!!

[@e.m.8094]

Sometimes I wonder if it's actually CR that we should be calling out instead of the ones that he points a finger at and condemns. 🤔

[@John-Christchurch-NZ]

I have in comment here and before I blocked him and his mates Kozar and Long

[@em-beem-be6708]

You reached back 500 years to try to defend people causing havoc in the the church TODAY. 😂Come on Dr. Brown Luther was wrong for what he said buts it’s funny that you try to reach back so far to defend copeland, Binny Hinn, etc.

[@GThePreacher]

Benny him and kennethnare heretics but so are Justin MacArthur bauchem with there false gospel of calvinism

[@JimiSurvivor]

Luther was the founder of a denomination that exist today and has been around since Medieval times. Dr. Brown has said Copeland was in error. I guess you did not hear that.

[@em-beem-be6708]

@@JimiSurvivor I heard it, so I guess Dr. Browns words apply to just Lutherans then 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@caseman775]

I stand with you on this one Dr. Brown. Martin Luther is not someone i can call a brother in Christ. I read his article The Jews and their Lies and i was absolutely shocked by how he spoke against God's chosen people. Let's also remember Adolf Hitler read it centuries later and we both know the outcome of that. This is why i never call myself a Protestant, i refuse to be linked to anything that man was tied to.

[@JuliexSteadman]

..you can still be a protestant but just have an armenian interpretation of scripture, its just diamatrically the opposite to Calvin's TULIP. Jacob armenius was trained in the highest tennants of Calvanism at Calvins geneva university but changed his mind after being challenged by a lay person..

[@JuliexSteadman]

...have you got any references to the fact that Hitler read Luther.... I thought Hitler was influenced by Eugenics which came out of Darwins Thesis His cousin Francis DAlton (I think) created a DNA survival of the fittest theory based on Darwins thesis... which said you could breed good moral citizens by getting rid of the DNA of those who werent..

[@gregolson7499]

I didn't watch American Gospel, the round table or this video. I think Eric Metaxas' book on Martin Luther had a fair and honest take on Luther's view on the Jews. His views about them changed over time. If we care about the whole truth, we should look at the complete picture.

[@amy1952]

Metaxas' book got terrible reviews (he's also gone off the MAGA deep end recently, claiming Jesus thinks the 2020 election was stolen). There are better books on Luther. If you haven't read *On the Jews and Their Lies*, you should. Also read *Martin Luther's Anti-Semitism: Against His Better Judgment*. There is absolutely no defense whatsoever against Luther's rabid Jew-hatred.

[@wyattmartin7078]

Well researched, well said, and well done. Keep up the good work Dr. Brown!

[@jimpsonuyaguari9665]

May the Lord God have mercy and grace upon all of us for repentance of our sins against Him and receive forgiveness in the Lord Jesus Savior. Jesus said love your enemies, bless for whom does curse you, do good for whom does hate you, and pray for whom persecute and seeks to kill you. May the Lord God keep you and love you man of God and brothers and sisters in the Lord Jesus.

[@saleemwrightpst]

The fact that anyone is dismissing or downplaying Luther‘s beliefs about Jews, simply because he taught sound doctrine does not understand the definition of a hypocrite. It also speaks to a larger issue that exists in the church. Meaning, if someone you love and adore has blatant sins in their life it’s easier to not confront them because you love them versus if someone you did not like had blatant sins in their life it’s easier for you to confront their sins because you don’t like them or even hate them.

[@swordsman3762]

Luther was undoubtedly wrong in his remarks about the Jews, but was he teaching that as a Christian doctrine? I think not. So that doesn't make him a false teacher of heretical doctrines. I am sure you would agree his theology of Protestantism is far from being false. However the 9 godheads doctrine, Word of Faith theology, prosperity gospel, and the 'little gods' doctrines are most certainly heretical. So why won't you condemn Benny Hinn and the others as being false teachers?

[@whoa_bro9971]

Exactly. The guys are saying that because the man expressed views later on his life that must erase his entire ministry. Not so. I agree with Jim, Luther should step down from ministry at THAT time but he was not a false teacher for most of his life… he waded into some troubled waters later but that doesn’t undo his ministry before. Alistair Begg is a good contemporary example. Would i recommend Alistair right now? No. I think right now he’s no thinking biblically on the Word. On the particular issue he is being asked of. Would i recommend his past teachings or sermons? Yes, but with caution about more current resources of his. The men that Osman and Peters are mentioning KNOWINGLY deceiving people for financial gain. Todd White knows what he’s doing. Luther was letting his anger get the best of him, which is sinful but not on the same level as what these false teachers are doing. Also… by Dr. Browns logic… he never knew Luther personally so how can he make this assertion? I’d respect his argument more if he will admit that Sid Roth, Benny Hinn and the others should step down. They “knew” Mike Bickle and look how that turned out.

[@leejace]

You might want to do more research on Luther. This guy was a maniac. This video doesn’t even do Luther’s madness justice

[@JoshDub78]

Bruh....you are a hypocrite of the first order. If you have correct theology, you WON'T hold the views Luther held. YOU: "It's ok if Christians call for the extermination of unbelievers, as long as they have correct theology" Unreal

[@JoshDub78]

@@whoa_bro9971 You guys are so wrong. "it's OK if Christians call for the extermination of unbelievers as long as they have the correct theology"

[@JoshDub78]

@@kimberlylebrun2934 Hypocrite "it's ok when our guy does it"

[@ellisrowe363]

I'm not a charismatic and believe their views are not biblical but Dr Brown you are correct with regards to Martin Luther. ML is not a person to follow.

[@Golden_writes550]

Then what do you do with the Protest? And the reformation? All this time he was a false teacher...

[@ellisrowe363]

Yes, he added the word alone every time he saw the word faith with regards to salvation. No Greek text I'm aware of had alone following faith. Works of Law (perfect works) are excluded from salvation but works that flow from faith are not Jn 1:12. @@Golden_writes550

[@matthewwisegarver1487]

Well I think if your going to call out racial sins of the church you should call out the racial views and actions of the fathers of the British israelites/Pentecostal/Charismatic/Assemblies of God/Church of God denominations that held those beliefs all the way to mid to late 19th Century?

[@ellisrowe363]

Agreed!@@matthewwisegarver1487

[@JimiSurvivor]

Basilea Schlink the Lutheran founder of the "Evangelical Sisters of Mary" tried to make amends for the sin of the German people by serving the needs of the Jewish people. She was Continuationist who was filled with the Spirit and wrote many edifying books

[@johnnyboy7595]

I am neither a cessationist nor a calvanist, but I have to say I am a bit disappointed. I to agree, that if Dr Brown is accurately representing Luther, that he should be condemned, and it is disappointing that Peters and Ossman could not bring themselves to say it. But it is rather hypocritical of Dr Brown to point the finger at them and saying what they doing is despicable when he is doing exactly the same by not calling out false teaching. He also has unequal weights and measures, easily calling out those not in his "camp" while refusing to do so with those in his circles. All he is doing in this video is saying "look they are also hypocrites just like me"

[@JuliexSteadman]

Although Luther got us out of the perverted catholic church I still do not see that he was qualified to interpret scripture because the love of God was not in his heart... how can it have been with his attitude and what he did.... how can he have known God. I was a christian for 10 years before i realised that there were two main ways of interpreting scripture, Calvanism & Armenianism... ..this freed me up to just believe the scriptures for myself.... Ive recently found David Bercot very interesting as he says that Calvins teachings go back to Augustine (ad400) not the early church fathers (ad70 - 320 ish) before assimilation into Rome (in his book, 'Will the theologians please sit down'). The early church fathers did not teach calvinism (it obviously wasnt called that then), they did not teach saved by faith alone (mental ascent)... Salvation was a gift, but it was a living gift that had to be maintained, you could deny christ by your actions as much as your beliefs... and you could definitely lose your salvation. David Bercot - What the early church fathers believed about salvation kzbin.info/www/bejne/gKvUdYlvZqZ5htEsi=Ptfwq5mZrdo_-SL4 Leighton Flowers (former calvanist minister) - Did the early church fathers teach calvanism kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4W2dptnpJ17mqcsi=eH-BEdioGK23-qL1

[@Kachykool]

Most of us underestimate the cocktail of emotions, biases, and prejudices that shape our perspectives, doctrines, and actions. We love to think that scripture is the driving force behind our doctrines and actions, but Justin Peters and Co exposed this truism that they will not stick to the definitional borders they themselves laid out when it condemns their beloved Luther. This should humble us and cause us to search our hearts continually

[@MSA-uj7cp]

What is the context of chasing devils with a fart?

[@TCM1231]

And throwing his own feces at the devil on the toilet

[@CA-pv5ie]

Dr Brown, as much as respect you and enjoy your channel, I think Chris R is speaking some wise words here. You might want to give him more credit than you do.

[@MrMustang13]

The evil and disaster that Luther brought upon Germany and Europe is horrendous. He aided in the splitting of Christendom, of which we still haven’t recovered from.

[@brycegeorge841]

I had no idea Martin Luther held such views

[@valeriesotiropoulos9720]

If you watch Lloyd de jongh he knows so much about him you will be shocked

[@brycegeorge841]

@@valeriesotiropoulos9720 I'm not familiar with that person

[@tosin8401]

Thanks for this, Dr Brown! You’ve exposed hypocrisy

[@AlexCPauwels85]

Call it Luther, Zacharias, Bicle, and many other that have come before and will come after them. JESUS is the ONLY one worthy of being followed, worshipped and admired, the only hero who will never ever fail us.

[@davidpilcher3283]

Of course Martin Luther was saved. He was one of the "elect" wasn't he? His salvation was gifted to him by God before the foundations of the world and nothing he ever did or said could change that. Isn't that correct according to reformed theology?

[@JimiSurvivor]

NT Christians lived in the Rome Empire which had different VALUES than we do. Should the NT believers have worked to reinforce Roman cultural values by FORCE AT THE EXPENSE of following the direct commands of Jesus? This is what Luther was trying to do when he marched out against the Anabaptists. 36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world; if it were, MY SERVANTS WOULD FIGHT (like Luther and the Reformers fought)...But now My kingdom is not of this realm.” (John 18:36)

[@JuliexSteadman]

..well said. Also today we have the secular historian Tom Holland who used to think that his moral compass came out of the enlightenment, after research he realised it came out of christianity.... His book 'dominion' brings out how different the romans were morally and how christianity effectively brought in the civilisation we have today... Also the book THE AIR WE BREATHE by Glen Scrivener is based on Tom hollands book, Dominion, just like the air we breathe, we dont realise that our values for freedom, kindness, equality & progress come out of christianity. Glen Scrivener is a christian.

[@gustavoeliasmorales77]

My favorite composer Bach was a lutheran this is very heartbreaking news to me.

[@r3ggi3000]

Mr. Brown, I made sure I watched this whole video to make sure I fully understood your point. My question is: will you defend Yahweh (Jesus?), Moses, and the Hebrews when it comes to the genocide of Canaan? Martin Luther was horrible. But I am trying to see if you will be consistent with others who have done evil in the name of your religion.

[@osowers6755]

I listen to a few of Chris's videos in the past but after seeing how crooked he was with the "evil looking" thumbnails of people and his doctored photos (to purposely make them look more wrong), I realized he was bias and could not be trusted as a judge of anything. When someone uses music, added drama, and emotions to make someone appear wrong (rather than just state a clean argument) you know that person is corrupt. These guys like Chris spend their lives attacking people, they don't edify at all,, nor are they glorifying to Jesus. I've never felt or been blessed by watching one of his videos.

[@graysonbr]

Luther kept some of the teaching of Roman Catholicism like how they viewed the Lord Supper.

[@Galmala94]

Because they were biblical. Just like Brown kept the doctrine of the trinity from Roman Catholicism.

[@graysonbr]

@@Galmala94 🙄 😂 are you being sarcastic.....😂 Oh my, suggest that you might want to watch, Eric Till's Luther and read Estep's Renaissance and Reformation before asserting the medieval Catholic church were exceptional models in following the Bible.

[@TCM1231]

@@Galmala94The Bible itself does not support sola scriptura “ hold fast to those traditions that you were taught either by word of mouth or by letter” In order to think that Luther was right on anything basically requires that you accept the idea that you think as well that the true gospel was lost sometime between the apostles and Martin Luther so how long exactly that period is no one has ever really given me a straight answer look to Saint Irenaeus who learned from Saint Polycarp who learn from St. John. He wrote very early on about the Eucharist about holding fast a Peter and Rome infant baptism all types of stuff very Catholic so my question is when did we lose the true gospel? And if we have regained the true gospel, who has it reformed Lutheran Presbyterian, who? If no one has it then what do we make of those passages and scripture which seem to promise otherwise?

[@JuliexSteadman]

@@TCM1231 well yes you are mentioning the early church fathers (ad70- 320 ish) before assimilation into Rome... We have their letters and you can buy the 10 book set as a pdf for $3.50 from scroll publishing. This is cross referenced with DAvid Bercot's extensive dictionary on early church fathers quotes... What you find is that Calvins teachings are taken from Augustine ad400 and not the early church fathers.. the early church fathers did not teach saved by faith aloone (mental ascent)... Leighton flowers (former calvanistic pastor) is interesting, here he is talking about did the early church fathers teach calvnanism, the answer is no... kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4W2dptnpJ17mqcsi=l3xpe2XCML2cuvjN And here is David Bercot on what did the early church fathers teach about salvation. His book 'Will the theologians please sit down' is good at bringing out how Calvin's teachings went back to Augustine and how his copius notes (which contradicted scripture) in his geneva bible influenced the new world and his own (eg the OT law still stands in that we put people to death for apostasy which Calvin did and the americans did to the red indians influenced by his bible). kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4W2dptnpJ17mqcsi=l3xpe2XCML2cuvjN

[@ryanbeaver6080]

I don’t understand why you’re using Luther as a good example of unequal measures. Luther has been gone now for a long time. I’m more concerned about the wolves who are leading the sheep today, not many moons ago…

[@JimiSurvivor]

So history is a just a boring set of facts that have no relevance to those of us who live in the present

[@estar1277]

I wud say you have ur discernment out of line to put this man in line with you.

[@davidc4233]

Learned some things I had never heard before. I think it was good for brother Brown to point out these things. It does not say Benny Hinn is right, just that lets judge all with spiritual eyes. The problem with the person Michael is talking to is he does not believe in tongues and gifts. He claims he was pentecost then says tongues is just gibberish. I found him on Facebook and asked what he meant by that? I was in pentecost for 9 years and its not gibberish its a language. The guy never would give me a answer so I question his pentecostal background he claims. Seem some out there pointing out false teachings, false doctrines, may in fact also have false teachings and false doctrines themselves! And I'm not charismatic either, I'm just a saved sinner. Thats my denomination, lol.

[@JuliexSteadman]

I think its good and healthy for us all to think about why we believe what we believe. We can do that if we stay humble and have healthy debate that takes us back to what the scriptures teach... David Bercot & leighton flowers are interesting as they say that the ealry church fathers did not teach calvanism... Calvin went back to Augustine ad400, not the ealry church fathers (ad70 - 320 ish) before assimilation into Rome... kzbin.info/www/bejne/gKvUdYlvZqZ5htEsi=l-mEJLGMJH0SP-oX kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4W2dptnpJ17mqcsi=hT2cxVQ1j2Mea9RC

[@DavidWilberBlog]

Thank you for addressing this, Dr. Brown.

[@TruthandLoveTogether]

Dr. Brown: Antisemitism, any racism or any mistreatment of any group of people (peasants), etc. is sinful. Condemning these evils should never lead us into thinking that some people groups don’t need the gospel. Why do I say this? Because anyone who doesn’t believe in the gospel is an enemy of Christ, regardless of their race or origin. We’re saved not by race but by grace through faith in Christ alone. Yes, there has been a lot of suffering around the world but given that we’re all sinners and sufferers, we’re not saved or excused by our suffering, we’re saved by believing in the good news of our Lord Jesus Christ.

[@teresabryson9657]

Shocking🙏✝️🇨🇦

[@valeriesotiropoulos9720]

Lloyd De Jongh has loads of knowledge about this man and how he has caused so much evil to this very day now St francis of assisi was a true Christian

[@haxguy0]

Thank you for your work Dr Brown

[@TheChristocrats]

The same goes for how they excuse RL Dabney anyhow extremely racist he was. John Macarthur and his MANY issues that they excuse. I put up a video challenging our reformed brothers to be consistent.

[@captainfordo1]

The Nazis were not “Christian Nationalists” and certainly not in the same way that Martin Luther was. You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about.

[@CryAloudMinistries]

We can have all the faith needed for salvation, but if faith is not coupled with charity (love) it profits us nothing. 1 Timothy 1:5 KJV Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: 1 Corinthians 13:1-3 KJV Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. [2] And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. [3] And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

[@Sansho1954]

I wish Dr Brown would get even slightly as passionate against false teachers who are causing huge problems to millions today (Hinn, Copeland etc.) as he does against a man who did indeed say reprehensible things approximately 500 years ago, but who was also used in a unique way to bring the truths of the gospel to countless people over the centuries. I've always thought highly of Dr Brown up until this week, but if there's ever an example of using unequal weights and measures, its sadly what I've seen in this video from Dr Brown himself. The likes of Hinn and Copeland only bring extreme negatives to the table, whereas Luther was used to bring about one of the greatest moves of God in history. I watched all 4 hours of the programme and thought all 4 men were charitable and gracious, but what I've seen from both Dr Brown and Justin Peters over the last few days has saddened me and shows neither in a good light - at least that's my perspective on things. My position on the issues is that the likes of Hinn and Copleand are clearly false teachers, but I am not theologically cessationist - however I attended charismatic churches for many years and all the "gifts" that I saw being claimed there did not appear to me in retrospect to be genuine - I tried to be charitable when I attended, but looking back it was all at best wishful thinking, in my view. I now attend a Reformed Baptist church. Just my thoughts on the (to me) sad way this debate is now continuing

[@TCM1231]

“One of the greatest moves of God in History” Let me get this straight we didn’t have the gospel for 1500 years because it was corrupted sounds pretty Muslim and kind of leaves you open to Mormon ideas about the coming of the true church let me just get this straight. We didn’t have the gospel for 1500 years and then Luther in his wisdom and Grace by God he revitalized Christianity and successfully reinstated the true gospel. Now maybe I am working with strawman here. Perhaps you don’t believe anybody has the gospel, which seems really dumb to me and kind of in the face of the whole idea that Jesus would you know teach us. Protestantism is an accretion from 1500. If you want to know what the real Christians thought, the people who learned from the apostles look up Saint Polycarp look up Saint Irenaeus who learned from Polycarp who learned from St. John if Irenaeus believed in the Eucharist and he held fast to Peter and Rome, I’m going to do the same thing thing. But Luther and Calvin, and all these innovators who came along after true Christianity had been established Their opinion means nothing to me in fact, even less. Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus

[@JuliexSteadman]

I dont think the reformation brought us the truth although it did get us out of catholicism... Are you also aware of two main ways of interpreting scripture, Calvanism and armenianism... Jacob Armenius was trained in the highest tenants of calvanism at Calvins geneva university. He changed his mind after being challenged by a lay person... Ive also recently found David Bercot very interesting as he says that Calvins teachings go back to Augustine (ad400) not the early church fathers (ad70 - 320 ish) before assimilation into Rome (in his book, 'Will the theologians please sit down'). The early church fathers did not teach calvinism (it obviously wasnt called that then), they did not teach saved by faith alone (mental ascent)... Salvation was a gift, but it was a living gift that had to be maintained, you could deny christ by your actions as much as your beliefs... and you could definitely lose your salvation. David Bercot - What the early church fathers believed about salvation kzbin.info/www/bejne/gKvUdYlvZqZ5htEsi=Ptfwq5mZrdo_-SL4 Leighton Flowers (former calvanist minister) - Did the early church fathers teach calvanism kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4W2dptnpJ17mqcsi=eH-BEdioGK23-qL1

[@MariaGomez-yr1zw]

Exactly why I don't call myself a Christian but instead a follower of Jesus.

[@catholictruth102]

You should call yourself Christian.

[@leejace]

I believed Calvinism for a season. Just like how Joel osteen helped me get out of a rough season in my life. 😂

[@mihaelapetrescu7025]

Yes, I think that a born again person cannot have the attitude of Luther. The antisemitism is not the only Gospel that the jews had. They still hide behind these evil events, as a reason to reject Jesus. If they decide to look at Jesus instead of people, they will finally see the light.

[@lpcruz5661]

I am an independent Lutheran (as opposed to Synodical Lutherans of the US) and I got tired of listening to Mr Rosebrough. His litany of always mocking Evangelicals and Charismatics have lost credibility to me. I agree, Luther went over board. However, there is a theory that Luther was so exasperated of Judaizers in Czechoslovakia converting Christians. Look at Sabbatarian movement and Luther. Luther was known for hyperbole and it was not helpful. Further, Luther is not excused for the extreme statements he made - Luther is no Lutheran's Pope. Yes, indeed, Luther was used by the Nazis - Luther's statements were unfortunate. But now, I urge you to look at the Lutherans who fought the Nazis - Bonhoeffer, Neimoller, Sophie Kohl etc. Also look at Jewish Christians who were Lutherans, like Mendelhson, the Rev Richard Wurmbrand etc. 1 Thes 5:21-22. Test all things; hold fast what is good. 22 Abstain from every form of evil.

[@lpcruz5661]

But a question Dr Brown @LFTV, correct me if I am wrong. It seemed to me you put out the Luther quote to see if Osman and Peters would apply the same standard they have been going along. The result, is you have proven the point - Osman and Peters committed the fallacy of special pleading! So, my question is - you don't actually believe that Luther was a false teacher do you? BTW no, what you said on the Luther quote was not out of context, you were correct, Rosebrough has cultic bias. Actually he made it worst for Luther by his defense of Luther. Here I am defending your point and I am a Lutheran! God bless you.

[@hermengild3776]

“The War On The Weak” by Edwin Black to find out why holocaust, in a word Eugenics ☕️

[@Mikeandleah]

Nothing but 10000% truth here

[@hixadam1]

I’m thankful for your words on Luther. How do you feel about condemning him due to his clear antisemitic beliefs that are in clear contradiction to the gospel message, but still reading his other theology and still treating him as someone to listen to in other areas?

[@Skanderbeg_777]

Why should Luther be condemned? He can be criticized for his choleric and unhinged temper, but to call him an Anti-Semite is totally idiotic. What was Luther's final attitude towards the jews? - You surely won't know. Here it is: “We want to treat them with Christian love and to pray for them, so that they might become converted and would receive the Lord” (Weimar edition of Luther’s Works, Vol. 51, p. 195). And for me that is enough. His harsh words should not be condoned, but he shouldn't be condemned either. And to your question: Why should Dr. Brown not read Luther's theology? what kind of crazy swarmery is that?

[@hixadam1]

@@Skanderbeg_777 I was getting a clarification on his view. I would like to hear Dr speak of the good things Luther has said or does Dr Brown believe we should ignore Luther’s works completely. I do think he needs to be condemned for what he said in his work “on the Jews and their lives.” When I say condemned I do not mean he goes to hell. I mean in this area his views should not be considered a Christian view. I do believe we can read other works by Luther and be enriched by them.

[@AnniEast]

​@@hixadam1there are truth spoken aka 'good things' by people like Kenneth Copeland, Joel Osteen, Steven Furtick, etc, do we listen to those 'good things' knowing all the other heretical things they have said and continue to say? I think this is exactly what Dr Brown is trying to bring focus to, the uneven scales.

[@hixadam1]

@@AnniEast to me the difference is how we deal with the works of someone who has died and how we support someone presently in ministry. In present day if someone said what Luther said in dealing with non-believing Jews we should not support their ministry and condemn the words and worn other believers to not listen to him.

[@Skanderbeg_777]

@@hixadam1 I see and understand your point. We have to remember that Luther only considered three books to be his masterpieces, the rest he wanted them to be burned. Luther could be very temperamental when it came to defending the Gospel. We have to look at what he wrote in the context of his time. We can't look to 1543 with modern glasses and as I have written in my first comment, his last statement is important because this shows his final attitude. I read his booklet and can't find any command for Christians to kill the jews and as it was mentioned by thousands before: He was not an Anti-Semite, because it was not about race, but grace!

[@20july1944]

I was raised LCMS and I never particularity embraced any uniquely Lutheran take on anything pertaining to Bible interpretation. However, I lost any respect for Luther in his infamous pronouncement "sin boldly" because Jesus is so ready to forgive. Imagine the harm and chaos we invite if we tell sinners to "sin boldly".

[@morghe321]

Me too. I was born Lutheran, but never fully embraced all the doctrines.

[@20july1944]

@@Outrider74 This has nothing to do with Dr. Brown, I turned against Luther because of "sin boldly", entirely on my own and prior to this video. I don't think Michael even mentioned that. If you find yourself saying "sin boldly" and it doesn't check your spirit, YOU MUST BE A LUTHERAN.

[@TCM1231]

Faith without works is dead. Sola Scriptura is self refuting the Bible itself does not support it. “Hold fast to those traditions which you have been taught, either by word of mouth or letter” Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus Be on the Ark or perish

[@20july1944]

@@TCM1231 Is the ark Rome?

[@JuliexSteadman]

@@20july1944 Wow - did he say that, sin boldly... i vaguely knew that Luther was not good and Michael Browns emphasis here has made me realise it was worse than I thought but you have just added the cherry to the cake !! wow !! Are you aware of the following: there are two main ways of interpreting scripture, Calvanism and armenianism... Jacob Armenius was trained in the highest tenants of calvanism at Calvins geneva university. He changed his mind after being challenged by a lay person... Ive also recently found David Bercot very interesting as he says that Calvins teachings go back to Augustine (ad400) not the early church fathers (ad70 - 320 ish) before assimilation into Rome (in his book, 'Will the theologians please sit down'). The early church fathers did not teach calvinism (it obviously wasnt called that then), they did not teach saved by faith alone (mental ascent)... Salvation was a gift, but it was a living gift that had to be maintained, you could deny christ by your actions as much as your beliefs... and you could definitely lose your salvation. David Bercot - What the early church fathers believed about salvation kzbin.info/www/bejne/gKvUdYlvZqZ5htEsi=Ptfwq5mZrdo_-SL4 Leighton Flowers (former calvanist minister) - Did the early church fathers teach calvanism kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4W2dptnpJ17mqcsi=eH-BEdioGK23-qL1 You can get the early church fathers 10 book set as a pdf for $3.50 from scroll publishing. David Bercots dictionary on the early church fathers cross references with this... The dictionary is very well done, Bercot has a legal background and is very thorough in everything he does...

[@JimiSurvivor]

There is no "context" that justifies Luther's hatred of the Jews especially when we consider that the measures he proposed in his book "On the Jews and Their Lies" were not designed to persuade but to punish and persecute. The measures Luther proposed were coercive and brutal. Chris concludes his argument by resorting to the old accusation that "THE JEWS ARE CHRIST KILLERS" The diabolical nature of this accusation is that it turns those who proclaim and pursue it into "Christ killers" not just His ancient people the Jews but even His New Covenant people. After Martin Luther grew impatient with reaching out to the Jews he turned on them and persecuted them. Subsequently, he turned upon New Covenant believers called the Anabaptists. In this way, Martin Luther, whose heart had originally been touched by God, became a mass murderer emulating, not the Lord, who came not to destroy men's lives but to save them but the dragon who has always wanted to destroy children of both covenants. When I lived in Israel I did not understand the chasm of hate and fear that separated Jews from their Messiah. Later I found the cause could be found in Martin Luther and in this Church he started. Surprisingly I find there are many gaps in the average Lutheran's understanding of their founder.

[@JuliexSteadman]

..your comment is soooo true..... my husband tries to say that Luther was a product of his age, how much more so the scribes and pharisees and Jesus had no excuse for them.... Rather God reveals the truth to those who want to do whats right and who love the truth and hides it from those who dont 2 THess 2:10 They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

[@BATTY3459]

What I don't understand is why you brought up Luther as a sort of counter to the accusations made against Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland and Todd White. I agree (and I think most Christians worth their salt regardless of denomination also would) that Luther's comments against the Jews were horribly sinful. However, the glaring differences in pitting Luther against Hinn, Copeland and White is A) Luther's been dead for centuries. Hinn, Copeland and White are still very much alive and actively deceiving people. B) Aside from his sinful comments about the Jews, Luther's teaching was sound. He was responsible for leading the charge to reform the church. This is why Luther cannot be considered a false teacher. Meanwhile, Copeland, White and Hinn have been heretics their entire ministry. I don't know how you can't see Todd's pulling your leg, but I pray you do soon. Comparing a dead guy's sinful comments to living heretics is ridiculous. You claim to want to edify the body, but you're only further bringing division with stuff like this.

[@Cobinza]

It what way is benny hinn a heretic? Do you truly know of any heresies the guy has taught that he has not repented of?

[@danthemanbardo]

He does have a point though

[@chrisDeBona]

As a teen Christian, not a baby in the faith but slowly maturing...I lean more reformed in theology and I although Luther had some early great godly works, as he aged he clearly lost his faith. This info on Luther is disgusting and should not be given a pass by anyone. Calvin, Luther, etc all lived in a different time and place in history and thus we should take the good and condemn the bad. I question tho if the good is valid to begin with....i think it is as everyone sins and to invalidate Luther altogether would call for others to as well and I don't think that is fair. But we should definitely call out the bad...equally...not one sided....again I agree with Dr brown...as a teen Christian.

[@diversityhobbit]

How about Martin Luther King jr's Marxism??

[@Bibletriviagame]

I totally agree, AG should have admitted the down falls of Martin Luther and called it out quickly. I would definitely agree if Luther was still around, he should step down and ask for forgiveness and seek counsel. But, just like you Dr. Brown, I’m not ready to damn someone to hell, right? I would say it sounds like Luther’s salvation was in question, but I can’t say 100% he is unsaved, can you? I find it odd, that you barely know any of the known info of your own movement, or should I say, the negative stuff, especially when it’s pointed out to you. You and Sam both said how you didn’t know anything about Todd’s ministry but you did know for sure he has lead 100’s of people to Christ, I thought you didn’t know anything about his ministry??? I was a card carrying Charismatic for 24 years of my life and I can say with great confidence you are not being honest with either your knowledge or ignorance of what’s going on in the Charismatic camp. How can you be so certain about barely known public knowledge, which ends up being hearsay stories from you that we are supposed to trust. And, know almost nothing of the negative stuff, claiming you don’t know anything about it and you need to look into it. And if this is all true, then you should not be looked at as a discerning😢 leader in your camp. You are coming across very ignorant and as a former Charismatic, it’s kinda embarrassing.

[@IamGodSon]

The illogical contradictions in this write-up explains your confusion that led you out of the charismatics. I sew that it was probably better you left. We need less double mindedness in pentecostal ranks.

[@Bibletriviagame]

@@IamGodSon can you be specific?

[@Bibletriviagame]

@@IamGodSon what lead me out was actually studying the Bible and asking the Holy Spirit to give me understanding.

[@IamGodSon]

@@Bibletriviagame Apostle Paul warned alot about False teachers and prophets yet of all the persons he called out including alexander the coppersmith, he never called him a false teacher. Apostle paul NEVER anyone by name to be a false teacher.

[@Bibletriviagame]

@@IamGodSon so where is my fallacy? And just so you know, the “good riddance”, attitude is a terrible way to react, if you thought I was in error you should be heart broken I left the movement, not glad I did, you might want to check your heart on that attitude. That kind of attitude is very cultish and not Christ like at all. You are quick to get rid of me and slow to get rid of someone teaching error? Weird

[@donn07]

This os definitely true Dr Brown and i just listened to the discussion you had with Justin Peters, WE ALL CAN SEE THE DOUBLE STANDARD USED BY THEM PASTOR AND DEFINITELY THEY DON'T HAVE ANY HEART FOR THE WORD FOR IF THEY DID THEY WOULD HAVE ACCEPTED THE ANTI SEMITISM LUTHER HAD , I'M SOO HAPPY WE HAVE LEADERS LIKE YOU DR BROWN, GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.🙏

[@FrogFarmRecords]

I have been studying the Orthodox Church. This pushes me towards that. I am nauseated just thinking of even singing a Lutheran Hymn. That’s awful that this has not been spoken of in Protestant circles. I understand why they would want to cover this up. That is a huge huge blight on Luthers legacy. Jesus would not have been ok with those words of Luther. I imagine He would strongly admonish this total lack of grace. He showed an inability to trust Christ Himself with saving our Hebrew brothers and sisters. Jesus NEVER said hate our enemies. Proverbs says have NOTHING to do with a violent man who lives in and practices wickedness . Luther falls into that category. I must pray for understanding over this bit Orthodoxy seems the way the Lord is leading. BBTNOJ

[@Skanderbeg_777]

Ah, so you condemn Luther for this, well let's see if you are consequent, condeming Chrysostomus, too and consider another denomination. Here are some quotes from Chrysostomus on the jews: "The synagogue is worse than a brothel... it is the den of scoundrels and the repair of wild beasts... the temple of demons devoted to idolatrous cults... the refuge of brigands and dabauchees, and the cavern of devils. It is a criminal assembly of Jews." "The Jews sacrifice their children to Satan. They are worse than wild beasts, and for no reason at all, their whole being is full of evil." "The Jews are the most worthless of all men. They are perfidious murderers of Christ... The Jews are the odious assassins of Christ and for killing God there is no expiation possible, no indulgence or pardon. Christians may never cease vengeance, and the Jews must live in servitude forever. God always hated the Jews. It is incumbent upon all Christians to hate the Jews." "They (the Jews) are inveterate murderers, destroyers, men possessed by the devil... the most debased of all men."

[@Porklion]

My question is why do we have to label ourselves "protestant" whenever we are simply Bible believing Christians? I've never read a word from Martin Luther

[@Skanderbeg_777]

Well then start with his small catechism, his 1531 commentary on Galatians, "The Bondage of the Will" and his lectures on Genesis

[@John-Christchurch-NZ]

Attitudes contempt and hate I have heard from Chris Rosebrough in the past have left me wondering how someone could say things with the attitude in which it was said and be a Christian Bad Fruit? Justin has a long history in showing partiality to those who share his doctrine Glad you are challenging them They make me angry and from me that’s not good least I lose it and bear bad fruit You handle your anger well God Bless Michael

[@jfk2205]

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@e.m.8094]

Was Luther drunk when he wrote some of his material? (honest question)

[@Bdfhvj]

I suspect either as a result of his religious fervor or perhaps a result of progressive mental illness his teachings became more unhinged. He was super devoted it seems and super distraught and had nothing else to fall back on. Not an excuse for it. But my intuition.

[@amy1952]

One doesn't have to be drunk to be filled with hatred, but I suppose we could say Luther became so drunk on Jew-hatred that he failed the grace of God. _"Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled._ (Hebrews 12:14-15)

[@1981jsoldier]

Some people have supposed Luther was fighting Syphillis at the time he wrote, "The Jews and their Lies". But I don't know how much stock that has.

[@pasang5386]

Historical context is important. Anti-Semitic attitudes were not uncommon in Europe during Luther's time. Stereotypes and prejudices against Jews had deep historical roots, dating back centuries. Christians often used to accsued Jew for the death of Jesus, and perpetuated negative stereotypes about them. If we are judging History with today's 21st century mind set then we could have to say God is not good (I am little bit out of line) because of law concering slavery in OT.

[@dekotajohnson7404]

Next time please leave a disclaimer. Was not emotionally prepared for the quotes you shared

[@MrMustang13]

The evil and disaster that Luther brought upon Germany and Europe is horrendous. He aided in the splitting of Christendom, of which we still haven’t recovered from.

[@valeriesotiropoulos9720]

Yes he was very wicked

[@valeriesotiropoulos9720]

Yes he was so evil

[@stephenfisher3721]

As a Jew, I get the impression from some Christians that Martin Luther is more important than Jesus. All those who have trying for years to save my soul are Protestants. I was surprised to find that so many of them absolutely hate the Pope and Roman Catholics. It is comical how so many have told me better a Jew than a Catholic when they find I won't be a traitor to my people. It makes complete sense that some Christians refuse to criticize their founding father. Sola scriptura and faith not works all come from Martin Luther. So much death and destruction could have been prevented if Christians stayed obedient to the Church and the Reformation never happened.

[@justchilling704]

That’s funny bc most Christians have zero regard for Luther one way or another. And Luther didn’t start the reformation or invent new doctrines. Luther was just the guy who pointed out errors in the Catholic Church and lived to tell the tale. The Solas within context are still true.

[@stephenfisher3721]

@@justchilling704 Martin Luther was the seminal figure of the Protestant Reformation. Source: Wikipedia

[@jethrodebeer2217]

@stephenfisher3721 sola scriptura and faith not works did not start with Martin Luther, but much earlier. A lot of modern Protestants and Evangelicals may not be aware of this history of antisemitism in Martin Luther as well

[@calebgibson55]

Wow! You’re so right Dr. Brown

[@philippent611]

We get that Luther was sinful and wrong. The pass you give to Benny Hinn and his like (in all his recorded and documented wolf behavior) and your appeal to "equal weights", makes the case that they should all be looked upon as legitimate Christian leaders?

[@impalaman9707]

Roman Catholics should be very careful here not to get puffed up in light of Luther's wrongs. Just remember the "Inquisition"

[@MrMustang13]

The evil and disaster that Luther brought upon Germany and Europe is horrendous. He aided in the splitting of Christendom, of which we still haven’t recovered from. Also the inquisitions weren’t the holocaust and mindless which hunts as they’ve been made out to be in modernity.

[@TCM1231]

The inquisition is awesome. You’ve obviously bought into a lot of lies. Maybe pump into Google Trent Horn or Jimmy Akin they both have excellent coverage of the Topic, I can also recommend Patrick Madrid. Or Brian Mercier at Catholic Truth. Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus Be on the Ark or perish.

[@dubyag4124]

Thank you for bringing Rosebrough's video to my attention. His response seems perfectly reasonable to me.

[@donnam.8619]

Thank you Dr Brown!👍👍👍well said!

[@chrisland4023]

Amazing how you posted this video just days after American Gospel posted this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/p5LcaqN7r9t9jq8, where you have agreed to visit with Chris Rosebrough regarding these comments. Has the conversation happened?

[@nando7522]

Martin Luther was right where he was right and wrong where he was wrong. Was he actually saved? I don't know and thats not important. Why Peters and Osman couldn't just grant that point and mo e on is beyond me. Oh well. They fell for the smoke screen Brown threw at them I guess. But this all of a sudden makes Copeland not a false teacher and the looney tunes continuationists legit??? C'mon man. You boys play too much😂

[@videograu]

Anyone who holds Luther high in Germany today is at least a hidden anti-Semite. My philosophy teacher in Berlin explained this to me completely. He himself was an extreme anti-Semite and Nazi. He told me that today the Protestant anti-Semites in Germany are hiding behind Philosemitism. It seemed absurd to me. But then I saw it myself. The former chief logistics officer of Tengelmann Berlin, his son and my philosophy teacher practiced this form of anti-Semitism. And the Luther Bible, which was valid until 2016, also proves it. Outwardly, the Protestants in Germany appear to be extremely philosemitic, but in their Bible, for example, they showed their true face. Philosemitism is the new anti-Semitism in Germany and it is almost impossible to expose!