American Muslim Asking About Wife Beating? Suboor And Americans Muslim Speakers Corner Sam Dawah

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@khanimadshah 4 ай бұрын

Why they running around in circles when Hadeeth is clear on wife beating that you cannot cause pain nor leave a bruise

@fedesetrtatio1 4 ай бұрын

This does not sound logical at all. beating without causing pain or leaving bruises is called masturbation.

@tesuser8173 4 ай бұрын

@@fedesetrtatio1you should check the hadith in arabic, it's "daraba", it does not mean beat,

@tesuser8173 4 ай бұрын

some words just doesn't have direct translation to other language

@FaisalKhan-md2tj 4 ай бұрын

@@fedesetrtatio1it's more like intimidation rather than beating. If one wants to save his marriage from a disobedient woman who invites men that her husband doesn't want in the house. First, stop talking, next stop sexual intimacy with her and finally show her that you're not some robot and that you can hurt her by intimidating her. If she still doesn't stop divorce her. Most scholars don't recommend going through the intimidation phase, rather divorce is suggested. The main reason for such ruling is that most men are not properly educated on these topics and will hurt the woman beyond what is allowed.

@gustgoris8009 4 ай бұрын

@@tesuser8173 OHOHOHO; the islamic miracle of "translation"

@anasunan1838 4 ай бұрын

Love how brother Suboor answered questions, Alhamdulillah! 😊

@marquesmayurjasvantlal4824 4 ай бұрын

Half brain

@KINGSOMALIA 4 ай бұрын

This whole argument makes no sense, the arabic word cannot be translated into anything appropriate in the inferior english language, translating it to "beating" is a disservice.

@DeboutLesPartisans 4 ай бұрын

so what t does it means? can you enlighten us ?

@linkup901ify 4 ай бұрын

I mean there is a translation that says "light tap" so it's not like if one cared they couldn't look around a bit and find that it has different translations. Take that one that says "light tap" and anyone that wants to claim beating is the only or most accurate translation should have us sitting back and watch them prove it. They very likely can't because they don't know a lick of Arabic and just parrot what they heard elsewhere to the extent they'll be surprised such a translation even exists.

@d3adp94 4 ай бұрын

So English speaking people can’t read the Quran and receive Allah message? 😂 Digging yourself a hole here buddy for Islam.

@forsakenbanksy1269 4 ай бұрын

@@linkup901ify And if they rebel still after have a petty light tap? What then?

@linkup901ify 4 ай бұрын

@@forsakenbanksy1269 There is nothing more. You divorce or deal with it. The light tap is the final step in a 3-4 step process.

@saundrabrantley9441 4 ай бұрын

I hate that they are not pointing out that beating is not the Arabic term..

@RadwanAden 4 ай бұрын

I was thinking the same but maybe it wasn't recorded.

@RacksYoungin 4 ай бұрын

What is it then?

@adamamiri1600 4 ай бұрын

@@RacksYoungin the word that’s used is daraba which is used in many different ways in the Quran many people say there isn’t a word in the English language that fits it best but regardless we know you can’t hit the face you can’t break the bone you can’t leave a mark so beat isn’t a good translation word and we know that prophet Muhammad pbuh is the best example for us to follow and he never hit his wives

@RacksYoungin 4 ай бұрын

@@adamamiri1600 I see why they want us to only read it in Arabic, it’s to hide and sugar coat the evil acts. If you read it in context it comes down to beat. If it isn’t beating to you, what is it then? 🤔

@RadwanAden 4 ай бұрын

@@RacksYoungin daraba could mean many thing like walking when traveling for example or tapping. the most appriopate translating would be striking but that word has a negative underlying meaning. the striking is to signal the end or last ditch like trowing your hankerchief was in the middle ages england

@arisamone 4 ай бұрын

I never had the problem with the Quranic verse that allows you to hit your wife. The fact that there are prerequisites that have to be met before Allah allows you to hit your wife should be adequate to people that have objection to this rule, that hitting your wife must be the last ditch effort. There’s also another discussion of what the word “hitting” entails, and there Hadiths that explain it further, for example is one hadith that states you can’t leave a mark or cause injury.

@DeboutLesPartisans 4 ай бұрын

so you can beat ... but in a nice way... with a book for example to avoid marks...? ehhhh animals!!!!

@arisamone 4 ай бұрын

@@DeboutLesPartisans Or... You can not use the word "beating." As I already explained to you. The Qur'an doesn't tell men to hit their wives. The Qur'an tells you WHEN to hit your wife. I encourage you to read An-Nisa 34, if you want to understand what I mean. In addition to that, we also take The Prophet's teachings seriously, which we call the Sunnah. He once said "The best of you are those who are the best to their wives." Also in Islam the women are allowed to divorce their husbands if they feel like their husbands are abusive, whether physically or mentally. So please, there is so much depth and caveats in islamic teachings. Do not freak out just because you see(or heard...) the word "hit" in the Qur'an.

@DeboutLesPartisans 4 ай бұрын

@@arisamone sorry but you r just justifying the beating... you just say that it is possible under specifics circumstances... like raping a little girl of 9 years.... this is simply abominations and negation of humanity.... simple... no dancing....

@saeedrahman1070 4 ай бұрын

@@DeboutLesPartisans Can't cause pain.

@vibz8346 4 ай бұрын

@@arisamone Technically, a wife can’t directly enforce a divorce. What she can do is ask a judge, and if she has an Islamically valid reason (like you mentioned), she’s granted it. On the other hand, the husband’s word is sufficient to enforce a divorce.

@KalosOG174 4 ай бұрын

I love this brother suboor before i was muslim i never liked science but now man i have a drive to learn about the creation of Allah SWT May Allah SWT bless brother suboor Ameen

@stumpswestmidlands8602 4 ай бұрын

This could easily be answered by researching the word "Daraba" which is incorrectly translated as beating. The same word Daraba is used to describe the act of tayyamum. Wiping the hands on the floor to do ablution if there is no water. Now you will not beat the ground with your own hands to cause yourself pain if you are performing wudu. Moreover the greatest example of this verse is the prophet and his companions. None of them ever beat their wives. And finally if beating was allowed in Islam then a women would not be able to apply for divorce stating beating as being the reason.

@andydufresne4444 4 ай бұрын

You are wrong, simply because you are thinking emotionally and you are missing that the verse is talking about disobedient wife whose disobedience is leading to the destruction of the family, it is not talking about a wife whose cooking is bad or missed a spot . In real life most women ,who destroyed their families by their disobedient behavior and ended up divorced ,wish they were beaten black and blue to be prevented from following their whims and bad judgment and ending up in such a state, not just getting a little smack that doesn't hurt nor leave a bruise. And don't forget about psychology, whether you like it or not ,some women do look up to tough men and enjoy a tough hand.

@straight-adhi7861 4 ай бұрын

bro stop trying to please non-muslims or kind of feeling shame, like this brother in the video who started playing gymnasticts as soon they mentioned (hitting wife)!!, yes in our religion a husband can hit his wife in some situations and of course not in way that cause serious hurt or damage, but most of you dont know how to respond to non-muslims about this topic especially westerners, so the right way to respond to them is just by mentioning the facts about women which we all are seeing it, experesing it and living it, which means the women's mentality and psychology is very, very complix to level that we cant understand or even dont make sense sometimes, it all about women's mentality and psychology. when a westerner argue with you about this topic you can just mention to him the common well known concept about women in his communities which is "GOOD GUYS OR BAD GUYS"!!! we know what women choose, at least the majority of them and even the rest of them many they just ashamed to admit it, so asked them why?!!. you know? if you are an adult then you probably know what we all adults know about something related to women nature but we all avoide to mentioning it, so i will explain it in another way : "from women's nature they dont like or they get bored or they loss intrest or respect...... for their men or husbands when they are nice, sweet, gentle..... all the time" which means the man must be the opposite of that from time to time when there is a right cause, yes this seems strange and maybe we cant understand it but this is women's Psychology, we can admit this or not but we living it throughout history and we are seeing it all the time. there is many, many cases of respected beautiful women from respected families who were living great even rich without no problems and they throw all of that to be in relationship with some kind of f...d up men even criminals and destroyed their lives even ending up in prison yet they didn't regret it, but they will never sacrfice all that for a nice, gentle......... men.

@straight-adhi7861 4 ай бұрын

@EpikMunk 4 ай бұрын

@@andydufresne4444 You talking from experience? Did you wish your husband beat you black and blue?

@Layth71 4 ай бұрын

love brother Suboor's debate and dawak skills mashaAllah. Amazing as always. May Allah bless him. Love to see more from him.

@hanijebali8819 4 ай бұрын

Sabur didn’t ask her the most important question : the verse said if she shows disobedience : 1- rebuke her first if she doesn’t stop this behaviors 2- leave her in bed , if she still doesn’t stop this behavior 3- beat her . So the 1 million dollars question is why do you get yourself to that situation ?? You used the first chance and the second and you’re asking about the third ??? Why don’t you just get it from the first time ??? You disobeyed and he rebuke you , why don’t you act like someone who respects themselves and stop that behavior ?? Don’t even give him the chance to leave your bed, if your intention is to live the way you want and limit the man authority or look for a man who obey you instead of you obeying him then just ask for divorce , and in Islam you have the right to ask for divorce and he won’t even touch you . Honestly to me this is a stupid argument against Islam , because people who are smart and respect themselves would know not to ask that question because it shows that they are so stubborn to the point they can go as far as using 3 chances in order not to be obedient and to live according to their desires .

@luissalazar6960 3 ай бұрын

can your wife discipline you? why she can not do the same to you?

@Hussain-pf1zq 4 ай бұрын

Prophet said the best among you is the one who is best to his wife so no need long explanation this quote gives the solution and complete the answer.

@jess13133 4 ай бұрын

Honey, being the best to something doesnt mean you dont discipline it. Being the best to females also mean disciplining females.

@mcegypt20 4 ай бұрын

The woman is literally only asking for a deeper explanation of the verse, not saying that she doesn’t believe in what is written. You said that the prophet SAW understood the Quran better than else so why not just tell her what he SAW said? Only thing that needed to be said was a reference to the Hadith. So simple. Seems like they’re rationalizing with her perceived disagreements instead of actually answering her questions

@Ilovegod540 4 ай бұрын

Who is SAW? That movie was nasty bad gross

@MrRiz157 4 ай бұрын

Indeed, the example of Khidr (peace be upon him) resonates deeply here. Just as Khidr's actions were beyond the comprehension of Prophet Musa (peace be upon him), aspects of life and faith surpass our understanding. This realisation is not a shortcoming but rather a reminder of the vastness of Divine wisdom and the limitations of our human perception. The Muslim lady's questions and the brothers' answers beautifully mirror this notion. They remind us that it's natural to grapple with uncertainty and acknowledge the depth of our ignorance. Embracing this humility allows us to approach our faith with reverence and curiosity, continually seeking knowledge while recognising the vastness of the divine mysteries beyond our grasp. Instead of succumbing to doubt due to someone else's insecurities, it's important to maintain a strong sense of self-awareness and conviction in our beliefs and values. While constructive feedback can be valuable for growth, we shouldn't let unfounded criticism or negativity sway us from our path.

@aduriteking2155 4 ай бұрын

Well said, brother, this is a great story that explains the issue of having conviction in faith due to wisdom behind everything. Like Brother Subhoor said there are things in Islam that cannot be rationalized unless you look into why Islam is true.

@mohammadjangda2253 4 ай бұрын

The word is daraba which when doing tayamum is also used to daraba the earth to do tayamum. Daraba with tayamum is meant to “Tap” the earth. Keeping this in light I and my personal thought process listening to many on this subject is that some translators used very strong of a word that here daraba means “Beat.” When can one beat is when one is really angry and not when one is calm. The wisdom if one sees is upon seeing his spouse doing wrong ie catches her in bed with another man, the quran does not tell him to strike her but asks man to talk to her explaining putting sense in her that is she wants the marriage to continue. If he is told to talk to her when he seeing the act is so upset and then he is told that if she does not correct herself then to part beds. As the last resort the word Daraba is used. Now by this time following all the steps after seeing the act the gap cools him off. Now ask yourself at this last step after such a gap does the man has that fire which he had seeing the act ? Absolutely not. The scholars say that the Prophet pbuh said that one cannot slap on the face nor leave any mark nor break bones but showing Mishwak the Prophet pbuh said like this saying it cannot be more than as one is hit with a mishwak. This tells me again and Allah knows best that it is like a tap as what beating can ine cause with a mishwak? I sometimes think that daraba a tap is symbolic that afyer goingnthru all the steps this being final the woman still not rectifying herself that relationship is done. Tap as if this is it ie a divorce. Again Allah knows best and I am no scholar but my two cents listening to many many ppl and scholars and trying to understand mishwak hadith. Not this verse but in heneral the Prophet pbuh never ever hit his wives and said the best of u is the one best to his wives. He pbuh clearly said that one can never strike the face. Nor break bones, nor leave any marks on her body. Now go figure what kind of beating is left? Reason I think the word “beat” is too strong of a word translated in that verse of Quran for arabic word Daraba which again I am stating when explaining Tayamum is translated as “Tap” so now new Quran translators have been seen using “ discipline “ verses “ beat”. Again Allah knows best so pls use your common sense and I say do mot qs dig ambiguity as Allah clearly states that he has revealed clear verses and also ambiguous verses and those with disease of the heart will be the ones that will cling to ambiguity driving them further away causing doubts ie misguided drifting away from the straight path of Allah. Those falling into satans traps and not just the muslim Ummah but very well seen with Children of Israel when asked to slaughter a cow in order to resolve the unsolved case of the murder finding culprit having no witnesses. So upon the command of sacrificing a cow they instead of going ahead doing it get into complications asking Moses by saying “ ask ur Lord to tell us, as if he is not their Lord, what kind of cow to pls provide details. Moses upon getting answers they continue the details questioning further complicating it. Everytime he ask more and more Allah makes it harder and harder where it comes to anpoint that finding such ancow per specs was almost close to impossible and when they finally find one it turns out to be only one person has it and inly one of with such specs passes the requirement thus carrying a high price tag. They having no choice buy it and slaughter but did not do it happily willingly as if they really did not wanted to kill such an expensive rare cow. Now had they just sacrificed any cow at first command all the complications of specs would have not arised. Their own stubborness and inquisitiveness or God knows what as only Allah knows drove it to be a difficult task. Reason pls ponder reading Quran keeping all that Allah has revealed, avoiding nonsensical arguments giving birth to doubts entangling into the satanic web. Simple! Period! Peace!

@amanpasha8990 4 ай бұрын

That verse directs Muslim husband to take certain symbolic measures to demonstrate to his wife that he is upset being rights violated or undermined. For instance, sleeping on a separate bed, not talking, and then symbolically touch her

@pasulaymanjeng9772 4 ай бұрын

May Allah swt bless you brother suboor

@mqb5151 4 ай бұрын

You just can't beat this brother with intelligence

@gustgoris8009 4 ай бұрын

You only have use science and he can't answer.

@user-s8jb3qb6y 4 ай бұрын

@@gustgoris8009you need only piece together a single coherent sentence for you to be given the time of day. The nerve of these goofball atheists 😂. Perhaps the most arrogant of human wasted existence

@88Grimmjow 4 ай бұрын

@gustgoridos8009 do it then lol

@Hmza92 4 ай бұрын

Yes you can. By using his own science.

@gustgoris8009 4 ай бұрын

You only have TO (sorry) use science and he can't answer.

@jawaadshahid 4 ай бұрын

Yes, this verse allows striking. Its actually the opposite of what it seems because it puts in place prerequisites to prevent "crimes of passion", i.e. you can't strike them unless the previous steps are met, including the reason of punishment being justified (she is disobedient to Allah, not that she didn't cook food the way he liked). The fact is men are supposed to protect women from society but also protect society from women they're responsible for.

@kennethnelson5430 4 ай бұрын

That's a sound point brother, may Allah bless you

@jawaadshahid 4 ай бұрын

@kennethnelson5430 ameen. It's important we're not apologetic about this. We care for eachother with justice and mercy, and we care with enjoining the good and forbidding the evil

@kennethnelson5430 4 ай бұрын

@@jawaadshahid@jawaadshahid yes, brother, Jawaad, I absolutely agree. There's no need for us to be apologetic about anything Allah Azawajal has revealed because we know with yaqeen (certainty) that it's good for us and the whole of mankind, may Allah bless you

@user-74856 4 ай бұрын

Exactly.....i see so many muslims trying to run away from this verse to just placate/s!mp for women and its just hilarious to watch lol......the reality is that if your wife repeatedly intentionally creating problems in the household like cheating ,etc then the husband is allowed to give her a slap at the very least and people making it such a big deal lol...i mean....lets be honest most of us have received something like that from our mothers while growing up and it's not that big of a deal you are not gonna get paralyzed or greviously injured by a little slap to your face lol....i believe that this has been prescribed in the quran so that the woman can feel the shame over her wrong actions that are destroying the family unit in this case and its not that big of a deal

@Anas_fazil 4 ай бұрын

The Brother Recommend 😭 Omar Suleiman and yasir Qadhi 😭 after that fruitfull discussion Ya Allah protect those sisters He should have recommended Haqiqatjou

@michaelhaines4056 4 ай бұрын

Seems like the good sister is looking for particular details about the interpretation of the verse...perhaps like not striking the face or vitals, not leaving a mark, or not drawing blood.

@katiawojcik962 4 ай бұрын

precisely

@97moey 4 ай бұрын

It seems her question was misunderstood and I hope I can clarify and help provide a direct answer. The reference is to An-Nisa verse 34 and the actual Arabic word in question is " اضْرِبُوهُنَّ " (edrob-ou-hon), which is sometimes translated to beat/strike/hit, etc and these have a certain connotation in the English language that leads to certain misconceptions. The word is derived from the Arabic 'Daraba', which is used in vast applications to describe physical contact which could have varying degrees of impact depending on the context. For example, how do we perform ablution for prayer if we do not have water? We perform 'Tayammom', which is an action that requires a 'Daraba' on the floor, the same word here is used to describe a light tap with your hands on the ground to perform the ablution that in no way causes any pain or discomfort. Therefore, lets actually look at the context to know what is meant exactly in this case of the verse. This verse starts off referring to the duty of men to be protectors of their women with that which they were favored with in strength and with what they spend on them to support them. Then mentions that a righteous woman is obedient and is a guardian of a man's rights and property in his absence. Given this context of mutual rights and roles within the relationship, in the case of the woman's rebellion of her husband's rights or any ill-conduct, there is a process by which he is allowed to remedy the situation with defined tiers of escalation which have a clear order that must not be transgressed. Firstly, he must start with admonishment of the ill-conduct and discussion verbally or giving advice. The next escalation would be separation from them in bed (i.e. with-holding intimacy) to show the seriousness of the issue, and if all fails then " اضْرِبُوهُنَّ " as the next escalation. The 'dareb' or 'hitting' that is permissible here is understood from the context of the language and by the teachings of the prophet PBUH by his sunnah to alleviate any misconceptions. Firstly the verse itself mentions men are caretakers and protectors of their women, which should be enough context in itself, however, some people require more direct instructions and may not comprehend the connection here so as a more robust solution for the society as a whole, it is also important to follow the sunnah of the prophet PBUH as a guide for us as we do with other matters. From the sunnah we have clear hadith's such as; the best of you are those who are the best to your wives. As well as clearly defined boundaries on the level of physical contact in disciplining, where you must not hit the face, nor to break a bone, and you must not even leave a mark or cause any pain. Furthermore, an authentic narration from one of the companions and cousin of the prophet PBUH explained that the permissible light strike is akin to the use of a tap with a siwak (a tiny stick used as a toothbrush). This same exegesis is authenticated by consensus as the normative understanding of this verse such as the well-renowned Ibn Kathir. Hence, in summary it is clear that this is not even a required action, and even in choosing to exercise the right to utilize it, must be done without transgression. It is essentially a symbolic gesture and final escalation to show the seriousness of the issue before involving each others' families or a divorce if the issue cannot be resolved following these steps.

@amerahmutalib4155 4 ай бұрын

Mashallah, the man holding the banner caught my attention. May the Almighty Allah bless him, it's not easy to stand and hold a banner. Praying to Allah to bless you sir.

@feikahundred 4 ай бұрын

About that verse in Sora Nisa, there's a clear Hadith about it and the wording of the verse doesn't mean beating in the modern interpretation/translation, it's more like symbolic. The hadith explained that you can't hit on the face, you can't leave a mark, it can't cause pain. What kind of beating is that!! And to top it all, there is a precondition to all this. That the wife disobeys her husband in something that Islam doesn't allow. Also, this is the last of a series of corrective measures.

@1236RKO 4 ай бұрын

May Allah bless brother Saboor. Amazing reply

@lommitrixpower4289 4 ай бұрын

It Looks like this is one of the golden times of speakers corner discussion

@jayr3938 4 ай бұрын

Great conversation and huge respect to the Brothers explaining with patience and intelligence.

@Kal9222 4 ай бұрын

The human soul is so rebellious. The pharaohs thought they were too big for God to exist and proclaimed themselves God. and now we think we are too small relative to the universe for God to exist.

@sub7se7en 4 ай бұрын

He should have referenced Sunan al-Tirmidhī 1163 where an explanation is given by the Prophet PBUH and he could have referenced Tafsīr al-Ṭabarī 4:34 where ibn Abbas, the cousin of the Prophet PBUH gives further detail.

@mds270 4 ай бұрын

Al hamdulillah for guided philosophy.

@LADHA-z1l 4 ай бұрын

It's not fair. Mr,Suboor is talking PhD stuff to my brother, who never went to school,

@LADHA-z1l 4 ай бұрын

How nice the people are listening attentively

@jamesbond_AMK 4 ай бұрын

Once the female has made up her mind it will be difficult to change it now. If she says she is a muslim, then she would not have asked this question in first place. So just leave it that way!

@mqb5151 4 ай бұрын

Lol

@vaastafraja5685 4 ай бұрын

These so called sisters in western countries aren't that close to the religion either.

@alphauno6614 4 ай бұрын

"Once the female..." I guess you're narrating a wildlife documentary about a female gazelle that's been spotted in the wild out of her natural habitat and now she is in danger? Surely you're not referring to this wonderful sister who wanted to learn about her Deen in a deeper way.

@Sal_A 4 ай бұрын

@@alphauno6614😂

@rockypoonny243 4 ай бұрын

To much talking to non muslims and has forgotten how to talk to muslims. The prophet said asalatusalam dont strike the face and dont leave a mark! She said maybe 5 times she has no problem with it but wanted the guidence on how to recieve it. Guys really be carefull! Stop patronising the ummah. She came with no doubts and left with many maybe!

@abdiyusuf8561 4 ай бұрын

I was hoping he would quote that hadith

@elite7329 4 ай бұрын

If you think she came without any doubts I don't know what to tell you.

@rockypoonny243 4 ай бұрын

@@elite7329 yeah maybe your right but i can only go by what she said.

@Bunyourdesires 4 ай бұрын

Exactly shit got me tense

@AliKhan-jr9cd 4 ай бұрын

This is where we need brother shamsi

@DeboutLesPartisans 4 ай бұрын

may i recommend that you need a brain more importantly...

@One-rr8um 4 ай бұрын

Women get half of their father's wealth and then taken care of by her husband. A man gets double of her sister's inheritance, and then he has to take care of his own wife and family. I don't see any side losing. But it's a balanced distribution of wealth based on each person's roles and responsibilities. People need to think critically that equality is not always fair. You don't give Zakat to rich people. You discriminate rich people because they are already compensated by their other income. And that's fair.

@yoursportsnow9729 4 ай бұрын

Brother just say Allah said it so that's what it is.

@RacksYoungin 4 ай бұрын

That’s blind faith, you should ask questions 🥸

@yoursportsnow9729 4 ай бұрын

@@RacksYoungin That's not blind faith. No one ever said you shouldn't ask questions but there's nothing to explain, I don't even get her question. What doesn't she get about the Ayah? You should ask questions about things yo get understanding not because you want a different understanding because you don't like it.

@RacksYoungin 4 ай бұрын

@@yoursportsnow9729 I get why she’s asking, since she’s a woman and sees women beating in the Quran of course it’s gonna trigger her mind. Men can beat women even if they THINK the woman is disobedient which is bad. When I see stuff like this I always think about my Mom, Sister etc… It will change your view immediately and you’ll see it’s wrong. Would you like your mom to be beaten up by let’s say your stepdad? Or your sister by her boyfriend?

@Creed99851 3 ай бұрын

Maasha Allah

@hairdreams6729 4 ай бұрын

LEGEND HAS IT THAT THE AMERICAN WOMEN ARE STILL WAITING FOR AN ANSWER ABOUT THE WIFE BEATING!

@ABUJ1000 4 ай бұрын

a north american living in uk for 10 years - yes Americans are more inquisitive and slightly more on the liberal side

@Trialmaster16 4 ай бұрын

Shows how poor parenting can lead to doubts in Islam. May Allah guide us

@Asad-2166 4 ай бұрын

30.00 if a Muslim has to ask this question there is something wrong 🤷‍♂️😔 may Allah swt have mercy and guide us all Hasbi Allah Wa Ni-am Al Wakil 📿🤲

@BarryPaston 4 ай бұрын

Many religions but one god ❤

@CaliphForCaliphate 4 ай бұрын

beautiful discussion

@rororoz5595 4 ай бұрын

i like and agree with the explanations given to the atheist gentleman. however, i'm dumbfounded as to why not answer the lady with tafsir and hadith, that there are criterias and limits to those "striking". i feel like the lady was asking a "yes" or "no" question but it was answered with 'this is better than this'. i'm genuinely confused, so should we not take tafsir into consideration and can men really strike their wives? hope someone clarifies. jakallah

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@foziarehman5110 4 ай бұрын

this brother is completley wrong! The quran does not say you can stike women. The arabic word used for "strike" or "beat" is daraba. This word daraba has few meanings, one of the can mean to beat but also the word daraba means to "break away or seperate". If you read the verse fully it says advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], seperate. This makes more logical sense. I can honestly gurantee that trying to beat wife with miswaq wont work as well as actually seperating. Once couples seperate for a while things usually settle back to normal and then allah says if the wife comes back then take her back. Also another point is that islam is the only religion which allows the wife to seek divorce if she has been beaten! So its ilogical to belive that islam allows wife beating. Btw i got this from MUFT MENK!

@alphauno6614 4 ай бұрын

Trust in Allah that whatever he has ordained is good for us even if it's difficult. Let me copy and paste a small excerpt of the explanation of Tafsir Ibn Kathir of this part of this ayah: "(beat them) means, if advice and ignoring her in the bed do not produce the desired results, you are allowed to discipline the wife, without severe beating. Muslim recorded that Jabir said that during the Farewell Hajj, the Prophet said; «وَاتَّقُوا اللهَ فِي النِّسَاءِ، فَإِنَّهُنَّ عِنْدَكُمْ عَوَانٍ، وَلَكُمْ عَلَيْهِنَّ أَنْ لَا يُوطِئْنَ فُرُشَكُمْ أَحَدًا تَكْرَهُونَهُ،فَإِنْ فَعَلْنَ ذَلِكَ فَاضْرِبُوهُنَّ ضَرْبًا غَيْرَ مُبَرِحٍ، وَلَهُنَّ عَلَيْكُمْ رِزْقُهُنَّ وَكِسْوَتُهُنَّ بِالْمَعْرُوف» (Fear Allah regarding women, for they are your assistants. You have the right on them that they do not allow any person whom you dislike to step on your mat. However, if they do that, you are allowed to discipline them lightly. They have a right on you that you provide them with their provision and clothes, in a reasonable manner.) Ibn `Abbas and several others said that the Ayah refers to a beating that is not violent. Al-Hasan Al-Basri said that it means, a beating that is not severe...." This is a small excerpt from Tafhim Al-Quran by Maududi about this ayah: ...If the wife is defiant and does trot obey her husband or does not guard his rights, three measures have been mentioned, but it does not mean that all the three are to be taken at one and the same time. Though these have been permitted, they are to be administered with a sense of proportion according to the nature and extent of the offense. if a mere light admonition proves effective, there is no need to resort to a severer step. As to a beating, the Holy Prophet allowed it very reluctantly and even then did not like it. But the fact is that there are certain women who do not mend their ways without a beating. In such a case, the Holy Prophet has instructed that she would not be beaten on the face, or cruelly, or with anything which might leave a mark on the body.... This is a small excerpt from Tafsir ibn Abbas: ...(As for those from whom ye fear) know (rebellion) their disobedience to you in bed, (admonish them) by means of sacred knowledge and the Qur'an (and banish them to beds apart) turn your faces away from them in bed, (and scourge them) in a mild, unexaggerated manner. (Then if they obey you) in bed, (seek not a way against them) as regards love. (Lo! Allah is ever High Exalted) above every single thing, (Great) greater than every single thing. Allah has not burdened you with that which you cannot bear, so do not burden women with that which they cannot bear of affection. Sister, accepting Allah's commandments wholeheartedly will elevate us in the hereafter. Also remember, this is a near last resort option for very very disobedient wives. It doesn't apply to righteous women.

@foziarehman5110 4 ай бұрын

@@alphauno6614 please watch this video of mufti menk about this topic, im sure he knows tafsir better than you and me!

@optimistichoss6617 4 ай бұрын

Sahih al-Bukhari » Dress - كتاب اللباس » Hadith 5825 Narrated `Ikrima: Rifa`a divorced his wife whereupon `AbdurRahman bin Az-Zubair Al-Qurazi married her. `Aisha said that the lady (came), wearing a green veil (and complained to her (Aisha) of her husband and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating). It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) came, `Aisha said, "I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!" When `AbdurRahman heard that his wife had gone to the Prophet, he came with his two sons from another wife. She said, "By Allah! I have done no wrong to him but he is impotent and is as useless to me as this," holding and showing the fringe of her garment, `Abdur-Rahman said, "By Allah, O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! She has told a lie! I am very strong and can satisfy her but she is disobedient and wants to go back to Rifa`a." Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, to her, "If that is your intention, then know that it is unlawful for you to remarry Rifa`a unless `Abdur-Rahman has had sexual intercourse with you." Then the Prophet (ﷺ) saw two boys with `Abdur- Rahman and asked (him), "Are these your sons?" On that `AbdurRahman said, "Yes." The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "You claim what you claim (i.e.. that he is impotent)? But by Allah, these boys resemble him as a crow resembles a crow," حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ بَشَّارٍ، حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الْوَهَّابِ، أَخْبَرَنَا أَيُّوبُ، عَنْ عِكْرِمَةَ، أَنَّ رِفَاعَةَ، طَلَّقَ امْرَأَتَهُ، فَتَزَوَّجَهَا عَبْدُ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنُ الزَّبِيرِ الْقُرَظِيُّ، قَالَتْ عَائِشَةُ وَعَلَيْهَا خِمَارٌ أَخْضَرُ‏.‏ فَشَكَتْ إِلَيْهَا، وَأَرَتْهَا خُضْرَةً بِجِلْدِهَا، فَلَمَّا جَاءَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم وَالنِّسَاءُ يَنْصُرُ بَعْضُهُنَّ بَعْضًا قَالَتْ عَائِشَةُ مَا رَأَيْتُ مِثْلَ مَا يَلْقَى الْمُؤْمِنَاتُ، لَجِلْدُهَا أَشَدُّ خُضْرَةً مِنْ ثَوْبِهَا‏.‏ قَالَ وَسَمِعَ أَنَّهَا قَدْ أَتَتْ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَجَاءَ وَمَعَهُ ابْنَانِ لَهُ مِنْ غَيْرِهَا‏.‏ قَالَتْ وَاللَّهِ مَا لِي إِلَيْهِ مِنْ ذَنْبٍ، إِلاَّ أَنَّ مَا مَعَهُ لَيْسَ بِأَغْنَى عَنِّي مِنْ هَذِهِ‏.‏ وَأَخَذَتْ هُدْبَةً مِنْ ثَوْبِهَا، فَقَالَ كَذَبَتْ وَاللَّهِ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ، إِنِّي لأَنْفُضُهَا نَفْضَ الأَدِيمِ، وَلَكِنَّهَا نَاشِزٌ تُرِيدُ رِفَاعَةَ‏.‏ فَقَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏"‏ فَإِنْ كَانَ ذَلِكَ لَمْ تَحِلِّي لَهُ ـ أَوْ لَمْ تَصْلُحِي لَهُ ـ حَتَّى يَذُوقَ مِنْ عُسَيْلَتِكِ ‏"‏‏.‏ قَالَ وَأَبْصَرَ مَعَهُ ابْنَيْنِ فَقَالَ ‏"‏ بَنُوكَ هَؤُلاَءِ ‏"‏‏.‏ قَالَ نَعَمْ‏.‏ قَالَ ‏"‏ هَذَا الَّذِي تَزْعُمِينَ مَا تَزْعُمِينَ، فَوَاللَّهِ لَهُمْ أَشْبَهُ بِهِ مِنَ الْغُرَابِ بِالْغُرَابِ ‏"‏‏.‏ Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 5825 In-book reference : Book 77, Hadith 42

@brooksolomon2063 4 ай бұрын

@@optimistichoss6617 No excuses now 😂, Well done 👏

@optimistichoss6617 4 ай бұрын

@@brooksolomon2063 Without lies, Islam dies hahaha

@zakialle9767 4 ай бұрын

Allah said in the Quran a husband will be banished for the sins and wrong deeds of his wife I don’t see men going around having issues with that,

@salahuddinmehmed 4 ай бұрын

Did anyone notice or saw the man with the billboard in background 😢💔 It's very heartbreaking💔😭😭 Free Palestine❤️😔🥺

@Txvyb445 4 ай бұрын

God said to love your wife as much as He loves the church, his people

@kennethnelson5430 4 ай бұрын

@jawaadshahid yes, brother, Jawaad, I absolutely agree. There's no need for us to be apologetic about anything Allah Azawajal has revealed because we know with yaqeen (certainty) that it's good for us and the whole of mankind, may Allah bless you

@19montysay 4 ай бұрын

The brother had a good discussion with the first brother but then he just had to explain to the sister about the meaning of the quran or darbara but couldn't do that

@abdullahmacapoli1879 4 ай бұрын

It's called The Avanger's principles. Too much watching multiverse of MCU.😅😅😅😅😅

@ridhj369 2 ай бұрын

This "beating" , is LAST STEP. It's a symbolic (example of beating with miswak isn't beating as hard as you can, it's just a tap. Because prophet Muhammad SAW never condone such behaviour towards women) before going to the next phase whereby both families (husband's and wife's) are to be informed on what's happening/problems, and further going for Shari'a law on divorce. This comes AFTER both husband and wife are talking and addressing the problems, separation for rationalisation, among other steps

@curiosone8843 3 ай бұрын

This is the test , no matter how rational we are and wise we are but we cant be wiser than Allah, so we have to submit to his wisdom, submission means submission of the Essence of being human and everything in the essence thats called Tawheed.

@Anas_fazil 4 ай бұрын

Can't you blur the women!? Don't cross the boundaries of Allah

@Kal9222 4 ай бұрын

I don’t know of any paradigm wherein in authority exists, without a means of enforcement. The question becomes whether the enforcer is in line with Islam. If not, then he is just an abuser.

@soundheart4013 4 ай бұрын

Indeed and you will still have people who say 'God has created us this way', yet they have chosen

@ConnorReilly-y1u 4 ай бұрын

Imagine taking Darwin as your prophet and return point instead of the Messenger Muhammad (peace be upon him). Living amongst the non-Muslims and going through their schooling system will lead you to this scary scenario of taking someone unreliable with zero reference and trust over the proofs that came with our Noble Messenger, the Qurān.

@AliKhan-jr9cd 4 ай бұрын

Omd….did he actually mention yasir qadhi 🤦🏻‍♂️ sisters please if your in the states speak to uthman ibn farooq

@basilsharifh5678 4 ай бұрын

It doesn't mean to beat. It means to go forth as in break up, seperate or leave them for a period of time . Check the meaning of darb in arabic and connect it with the hadith where the prophet left his wives for one month when he was angry from.them. this is a mistake in scholarship.

@deepsareen1 4 ай бұрын

Wife Beating is in line with other discriminations imposed on women like Polygamy, Child-marraiges, Sex-slavery, FGM, Mutah, Halaala, Marital rape, denial of right to free movement and a career (and hence financial independence), subjection to arbitrary unquestioned Male right of divorce, Denial of choice of partner (against wishes of Wali), half inheritance and credibility, denial of leadership role in society, Honor Killings ..... That reflects over-all scheme of things as far as treatment of women in Islam is concerned. Ironically Mohammad after all these injuries adds insult by saying that he found Hell is mostly inhabited by women (due to their natural ungratefulness). But then Dawah makers are allowed to tell lies (or Taqyiaa as they say). No wonder the adage that Without Lies Islam Dies. Important thing is that while all ancient Religions were patriarchial in their stipulations at the time of their origins they had a reformation and adherents do not insist those archaic rules to be true and applicable in current times. However Muslims insist that whatever got written thousands of year ago still holds water; and there lies the problem. Mora of story; No Religion can be taken as source of Morality or foundation of Human (or even Animal) Rights in 21st century

@fady5642 4 ай бұрын

The moment the guy said "Dr" yasir qadhi and omar sulaymaan, destroyed all credibility he had. The audacity to mention them as your go to "scholars".

@sweeyong7756 4 ай бұрын

Wait till you talk about inheritance how boys men recieve twice as much in inheritance that female sibling.

@razer0072073 4 ай бұрын

26:42 31:15 52:10

@rakumafireball1640 4 ай бұрын

Very good and informative discussion.

@CheezzyAlfredo 4 ай бұрын

Brother Suboor's usage of the word "woke" is not correct and should be avoided altogether. Why? " *Woke* is an adjective derived from African-American Vernacular English (AAVE) originally meaning *alertness to racial prejudice and discrimination* ." and has nothing to do with turning believers away from Islam.

@403380 4 ай бұрын

Just like kids if they do tragic problems you can do set examples to her in a safe way

@achm3dz 4 ай бұрын

at the end, recommending YQ and alike, you have made a pathway for liberalism/reformism crawl into their lives under the guise of Islam

@2011minos 4 ай бұрын

This is not as categorical as this very intelligent man is stating. Idrbuhinna is not only beat but also leave, censure....

@mohdazwariazwari3415 4 ай бұрын

We islam must be follow alquran and sunnah.when u find something that u cant understand u must go to hadis and find what hadis said about that.if u cant find in sahih hadis,u must go to ijmak ulamak.

@Iamamuslim3590 4 ай бұрын

Half inheritance is given to daighters because responsibility of looking after family is upon man and not woman. So there is wisdom behind all these things.

@preciousmind6546 4 ай бұрын

Ask Mohammed Ali " The Muslim Lantern" He explain it with a hadith and how the prophet Mohammed PBUH revealed it

@mujahidhasan118 4 ай бұрын

1. you cannot cause pain 2. you cannot cause Bruise 3. you cannot break bone 4. you cannot hit the face 5. you cannot hit the chest I didn't like the brother saboor approach, the simply answer it, the explanation of the verse is clean like a drinking water. also English is a very weak language, it has like 500000 words and Arabic has a 12 million words. heating and beating its a very harsh word. for the sake of English translation they had to use the word hit. in that surah it's tell you how to deal with your wife step by step and it was the last and the final step, before that it's tell you 1. try to have a conversation with 2. don't show affection 3. don't share bed after all of that when she don't listen to you, you start to discipline and that's the fourth step. I think the sister must need to ask the question to "the muslim lantern" or sheikh uthman for direct answer.

@cartoonandmovieworld1137 Ай бұрын

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@gabbygabs5766 4 ай бұрын

Omg im so sick of hearing these questions ...abuse is not in religion, its a societal problem...GBV is all over the world, that you need to take up with authorities to lock up these people. End of story.. nothing to do with religion.

@mujahidhasan118 4 ай бұрын

she didn't get the full surah 😒, also I don't like the brother saboor explanation🙂 let me explain the full surah in short way as possible. it's literally tell you that how to deal with your wife step by step. 1. try to have conversation with her 2. don't show affection 3. don't share bed and the last and the final step which is the fourth 4. btw heating and beating is a English word. (it sounds very harsh) thb. but in Arabic it's total different. remember English is a weak language it has like 500,000 words and Arabic has a like 12 million words. so the English translation it's kind of misleading ngl. 4th step it's like you are done with it's like she's out of line. so you have to discipline her. if we go to explanation of this verse from The scholars, its says Its like Hitting With The The Meswok also You Can not Cause Pain Or Bruise or break bone also you can not hit face and chest. so it's not like heating or beating because these English words sound very harsh. for the sake of translation because English is a weak language they had to use the word heating or beating. as you can totally see from the Islamic scholars you cannot cause pain bruise or break bone also you can not hit face and chest. so ask yourself if you can't cause pain, Bruise or break bone how is that a heating or beating??

@mujahidhasan118 4 ай бұрын

@iankennedy1441 4 ай бұрын

TO FREE A SLAVE U HAVE TO OWN ANOTHER PERSON ''' (A SLAVE )

@muxishine 4 ай бұрын

We should blur out the women in the videos. Otherwise we're spreading something haraam.

@Mrabdr 2 ай бұрын

yes man are allowed but make no damage or severe pain

@HymnalVandi 4 ай бұрын

Sister if you want the true answer please go to an Islamic country and find out .

@elite7329 4 ай бұрын

What are you implying?

@Bunyourdesires 4 ай бұрын

Bruh saboor should’ve just said it says a disobedient wife lmao

@Userdoesnotexit 3 ай бұрын

Why they running around in circles bruh. these brothers do too much some times. just answer her question with the hadith

@juraimirahmat2589 4 ай бұрын

He is going around in circles and not answering the lady's concern. Why cant he explain the conditions that Allah states about beating the wife? You must not hurt them and that beating is the last resort?🤔

@colinroach7815 4 ай бұрын

Hummm, to me, Suboor's answer to "wife beating" is not direct. In all cultures (which has religion or belief of sorts) both men and women hit each other. However to me, Islam is aware of that, and the strict discipline is that you shall not mark a woman, and do not sleep next to her or them for the purposes of expressing disapproval of something, and if you lay hands, it is with a miswak, and it must only be tap. Now i might not have stated it like totally accurate, but the essence of not harming women is of utmost importance. Can anyone address this for me? Thanks.

@luissalazar6960 3 ай бұрын

Some tortures did not left marks.... still they are tortures. So you can beat your wilfe without leaving marks? Why your wife can not discipline you?

@colinroach7815 3 ай бұрын

@@luissalazar6960, torture is an extreme word to be used in this context, and for the purpose of the discussion. Does Islam have a better discipline ? Also, who says a wife can't discipline a husband ?

@One-rr8um 4 ай бұрын

Wife beating and disciplinary actions are two different things. The former term is painted harshly as it's understood literally, whereas the later one sounds more justified and moderate. Instead of just using these terms, check out contexts and wisdom behind allowance.

@maazmustafa2322 4 ай бұрын

This was badly explained by Suboor imo and the other brother. Sure you can go to the root cause that Islam is true, therefore what is said here is true as well, but you could also talk about this verse specifically that daraba means to strike/ hit, just like daraba is also used to say 'strike/ hit' the ground when doing tayammum. You aren't beating the ground up are you? Also in tafsir at-tabari quotes ibn Abbas I believe saying it is like to hit with a siwaak. In the sense it shouldn't cause a bruise, leave a mark, cause pain etc.

@DeboutLesPartisans 4 ай бұрын

and what about the clown behind with his stupid sign???

@zzairinnzzainoll527 3 ай бұрын

BEATING WIFE -- let compare the punch of a woman and the punch of a man. it is the same. can anyone control their action when in anger. husband and wife will fight, sometimes it cannot be avoided. Why! we are humans we make mistakes . Allah is divinely just. Allah knows His creation. Allah made His Ruiling due to His Devine Wisdom. This is example of a meaningless beating with no pain that will not hurt anybody in terms of physical and emotion. if it exceeds both parties can take action like repent or go to the authority. the miswak beating is an indication that the fight has reach it limits so both husband and wife should either repent or avoid each other!!! Subahanna Allah!!!

@luissalazar6960 3 ай бұрын

Still is a punch. Why you want to beat to you wife?

@EthioKhalidv 4 ай бұрын

I would’ve loved for the brothers to clarify the conditions of striking your wife. From what I remember, you’re not allowed to cause harm and you’re not allowed to leave any mark and essentially it is a show of displeasure.

@DrAdamAckerman 4 ай бұрын

41:00

@teeteeshouse 4 ай бұрын

Why do some men always bring everything back to "feminism"?! You don't have to be a "feminist" to think that hitting someone (let alone your actual spouse) is WRONG!

@alphauno6614 4 ай бұрын

Why is it wrong? Don't answer from the feminist paradigm since you don't want it getting involved.

@teeteeshouse 4 ай бұрын

@@alphauno6614 Can you find a mirror and ask yourself why beating someone is wrong? Especially the person you're supposed to protect, your wife? Especially someone smaller and weaker than you?

@BRUMTOON 4 ай бұрын

I've been telling people this for time. People just don't understand it. We know the truth and we don't deny it. However we know it makes the world a better place when Islam is followed correctly.

@abubakerhashemi3368 4 ай бұрын

Brother when you do dawah you have know how your opponent is expecting

@ray-wx1nz 4 ай бұрын

We're is this question coming from.. lets be Frank it's secular..woke.. mentality ... yes the answer could be more direct but he was trying to get to the root cause of the question...

@AnitaHWells 4 ай бұрын

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@MoeedKhan1979 4 ай бұрын

first of all here hitting means to admonish her by not hurting her physically۔ secondly if someone wife cheating him of course he can hit her to comply her commitment with him۔ just like police hit thieves۔

@MoeedKhan1979 4 ай бұрын

@FREEPALESTINEFTRTTS then this is harram in islam. Islam respect the woman, not abuse the woman

@TheDragonaf1 4 ай бұрын

"just because something has an evil intention doesn't mean it's not designed".

@TheDragonaf1 4 ай бұрын

24:11 reflect on creation do not reflect on Allah.

@TheDragonaf1 4 ай бұрын

"there are things inheratly questionable in islam unless you can rantionalis Islam to be truth and the best wisdom is from the creator - as behind everything in islam is a wisdom".

@TheDragonaf1 4 ай бұрын

Jonathan brown book on slavery

@talalashraf4080 4 ай бұрын

Constructive criticism: Brothers should have straight away quoted the hadith on how a man can ' hit ' his wife without causing any pain or bruise, with the example of a miswak. The sister wasn't satisfied with the answer obviously since he was trying to tell her that Islam is the truth which she already affirms but never fully answered her confusion about the extent of beating.

@CaliphForCaliphate 4 ай бұрын

he mentioned miswak..nevertheless if you dont adress the fundamental problem wouldnt be solved, feminist will argue why only men are allowed to "beat" symbolically & not women

@DeboutLesPartisans 4 ай бұрын

we are actually very close to discover lifes or past life proofs on various planets of our own solar system.... now the sun is amongst several billions of stars of our simple galaxy Milky Way... if each star has 10 planet in average.... this is a lot of planets.... now we know that we have billions of billions of galaxies in the observable universe.... my dear... if we are alone... it is a "lot of wasted space .... "

@mujahidhasan118 4 ай бұрын

42:47 Men Are The protector and provider of a woman. he must need to take responsibility. he is a leader of the house. he is in charge of the house. he has some right over his wife (also wife has some right over her husband) understand this in the judgement day Allah will ask the man question first, because he was the protector provider leader and the head of the house. he will be responsible first, Allah will ask him first. how did he treat his mother his daughter his wife, they were happy/satisfied with you or not. and so many other questions.

@LADHA-z1l 4 ай бұрын

Ask him to build a beehive or a birds nest and watch him run.