🇺🇸AMERICAN vs 🇩🇪GERMAN Pinot Noir!!!

[@drmatthewhorkey]

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[@JonasK-vk3nu]

I actually live in the south western Pfalz and oh boy we are so blessed with wine… pinot Noir I recently enjoyed: Knipser Kirschgarten GG, Friedrich Becker any Pinot Noir, Jülgen Schweigen Pinot, Zotz Pinot Maltesergarten from Baden and for sure Rings Spätburgunder, also Pfalz. They are good at almost every price point:)

[@drmatthewhorkey]

I like Frank John too there in the Pfalz

[@LiveLifeLasting]

@@drmatthewhorkey Too much new wood for my taste with John, less is more :)

[@karlinggard]

Hey, thanks a lot for the shout-out! I didn't have time to watch the full video until now, thanks a lot for the kind words 😊 I freaking love Krebs's style when it comes to Pinot Noir, and they can make "Burgundian" style Pinot from some of their other vineyards. Himmelreich has young vines with Burgundian clones, in their "Gross" wine they do more of a Burgundian expression with Burgundian clones. Himmelreich's reductive style is extremely polarizing, with me on the side that likes it, and I think as long as the fruit is still there it's not a fault. It's not from adding aggressive amounts of sulfur (Krebs is organic, so there are strict limits), but rather a combination of low pH levels, low nutrients for the yeast, and then aging on the lees. The yeast gets stressed and produces reductive sulfur compounds which then carries on to the final wine. This is my understanding from what I've been able to gather from different sources, but it might not be 100% accurate. Reduction is an incredibly complex topic and different winemakers have different ways of explaining how it works and how winemakers achieve it. Unfortunately we don't carry this producer in the restaurant I work in! The owner has a bad history with the importer, so the restaurant will not buy any wines from them. I'm very happy to share their wines whenever I'm able to, and I'm glad you've enjoyed them as well!

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Thanks for introducing me! Yes reduction is a complex subject, even alcoholic fermentation itself is reductive in nature. Hope to see you in Feb!

[@liamblake937]

I love german pinot, i recently had shelter winery’s 2012 pinot noir, still singing!

[@drmatthewhorkey]

I do love how Pinot ages!

[@scotchnsoda2252]

Goldeneye is also a type of duck on the west coast. Mendocino is a cool spot. Spread out, not a lot of foot traffic. Went to a few tasting rooms 2 years back and had a lady in a tasting room tell someone on the phone "I gotta go because I actually have people in my tasting room". Lol

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Thanks for the hot Duck tip!

[@LiveLifeLasting]

Just picked up 10 Kirschgarten GG Spätburgunder at Knipser in Pfalz in March, great value 😊 But I still like Bourgogne the most ✌🏻

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Niceeee, I like their wines

[@tobiaswalter4686]

I started with Burgundy wines, but quickly noticed that the prices were going through the roof, so I switched mainly to German Pinot Noir. In my opinion, the entry-level and mid-range wines in particular are tough competition for Burgundy. My favorites are Rudolf Fürst and Bernhard Huber.

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Ohhh I love those two producers

[@jameswingad3212]

I love both styles in fairness and the way the wines change from the Ahr to Baden is just amazing. I really love Pfalz wines with Scheuermann being one of my favourite producers from there.

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Good producer!

[@solomonmengeu1003]

American PN, particularly from Oregon and Santa Barbara can be quite outstanding. The problem is not much gets exported and the tiny bit that does is usually heavily marked up. German Spatburgunder is one of those countries where you can find decent/good/great quality at all price points. My favorite region is Baden, but I am biased. The Pfalz does make good Pinot Noir as well; I've been lucky and haven't had a "bad" German Spatburgunder yet. Fun fact Himmelreich in English translates to Heaven or Kingdom of Heaven. Cool to hear about great wines that are outside the VDP system, thanks for sharing. Cheers!

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Ahhh thanks for the translation!

[@carlcadregari7768]

Good post! So many wonderful Pinot Noirs out there outside of Burgundy. BTW. Golden Eye is a species of duck too. 😎😁.

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Thanks for the hot tip

[@maryverzella9841]

I tried the Hunter's Pinot Noir 2022 from Marlborough, New Zealand (you mentioned this area in previous video) and the Ruppertsberger Imperial Pinot Noir Trocken 2021 from Pfalz, Germany and both incredibly delicious (funky to say the least-lots going on here) and the best part both around 20 bucks CAD - WOW! needless to say stocked up 🍷🍷🍷😊😊

[@drmatthewhorkey]

That is a good price!

[@Cdnprairieboy68]

Was at Bernard Huber 2-months ago, got lucky and did a private tasting with the winery sommelier. Some amazing Pinots coming out there! 😀

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Niceeee

[@dgalantin1]

You should try the chilean Tara Pinot Noir from the Atacama Desert one day! Just had one of these with friends and it was so different, with salty and even smoky notes added to classic pinot ones! 2020 vintage would be better in a few years, but we couldn´t wait that long

[@drmatthewhorkey]

I do want to try it!

[@Cdnprairieboy68]

Love California Pinots, including from Ste Rita Hills, but I will be biased and stick with Canadian Pinots from Niagara. Please try a few if you can get your hands on them! Couple to consider include Bachhelder Wilmer-Parke and Mason - The Matriarch!

[@drmatthewhorkey]

I will try eventually!

[@robdielemans9189]

With regards to value for money, my go to area for Pinot Noir is Germany.

[@drmatthewhorkey]

😮

[@robdielemans9189]

@@drmatthewhorkey Availability is another factor.

[@RealAleksandarBlagojevic]

BTW… 5:15 What about the Clones(wars)?

[@ArnoldToporowski]

I just got back from a trip to Northern Italy and there are so many great Pinot Nero / Spatburgunders coming out of the Sudtirol-Alto-Adige region. too bad not a lot of them get exported to North America. pretty tough to find here.

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Yes there are some gorgeous ones (that showed up in previous videos). Beautiful scenery too!

[@JohnAmidon-c6r]

OK, please repeat after me... "Shpayt-bur-GUN-der". Emphasis on the *third* syllable. Now, if I could find more Spatburgunder, I'd certainly drink it! 😊

[@drmatthewhorkey]

👍🏼😬

[@Blair338RUM]

I’d love to be able to give you are preference but very little of either makes it to Australia. A few reasons: small market (about 25 million people in total). The exchange rate is a killer with both currencies, so most importers just do French as we have a very conservative fine wine market.

[@drmatthewhorkey]

There is an Aussie vs NZD Pinot Noir video on the channel :)

[@Blair338RUM]

@@drmatthewhorkey I enjoy all your videos Matt. Especially on Chianti:). I remember the video on the pinots. I’ll watch it again with pleasure. Kind regards, Blair.

[@GooseTX1869]

If I like the lighter red fruit flavors little to no oak on PNs is there a specific region I should be looking at?

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Oregon or New Zealand

[@dr7246]

Man, you need to do a refresher course on Sonoma county Pinot noir Freestone-Occidental is not Ft Ross is not RRV, is not Gualala, is not Petaluma gap, etc etc

[@drmatthewhorkey]

I am more impressed w Sonoma Pinots these days

[@RealAleksandarBlagojevic]

BTW.. 🤔 did I missed it…. 5:15 what about the Clones(war)?

[@drmatthewhorkey]

These are Burgundy clones

[@RealAleksandarBlagojevic]

@@drmatthewhorkey thx 👍

[@itsmederek1]

For quality Burgundy is #1 For amazing value Germany is #1 US is somewhere in betweeen, good quality but the prices compete with burgundy where I live and then its no competition.

[@drmatthewhorkey]

😮😮😮 Red Burgs are special… and pricey

[@LiveLifeLasting]

@@itsmederek1 Since you live there, any producer value tips for Burgundy? I tend to go to Mercurey for value usually, Michel Juillot for example

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Fixin

[@LiveLifeLasting]

@@drmatthewhorkey Thanks. Which producer there?

[@ruz8099]

can we please not talk about spätburgunder….i want the prices to stay „low“

[@drmatthewhorkey]

😂😅 From what I’ve noticed, top examples are already commanding top dollar!

[@isobrontchoa5111]

"your then girlfriend...", so who's your girlfriend now

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Single man

[@isobrontchoa5111]

@@drmatthewhorkey married to vino😇🍷

[@drmatthewhorkey]

@@isobrontchoa5111😂 doesn’t always love me back tho

[@RealAleksandarBlagojevic]

😂😂😂