Americans React To How One Mass Shooting Changed The UK's Gun Laws Forever... | Loners #43

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This one was a deeper video that we felt we needed to talk about especially with shootings on the rise here in the US. We hope you all enjoy listening to us speak and if you do please don't forget to like and subscribe. Thank you all very much!
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Timestamps
0:00 - 3:29 - Intro
3:29 - 28:43 - Reaction
28:43 - 30:49 - Outro

[@camostar]

Freedom is not when you can own a gun, instead freedom is when you dont need to own a gun...

[@fionagregory9147]

Absolutely 💯 per cent right.

[@fireheart6267]

Just because you let psychos murder anyone they want doesn't make you better lol

[@Mzuleft88]

Camostar, As an Australian I have way more freedom than a US citizen, and I don't own a gun or a license to hold one.

[@PenelopeFrank]

Oooh, I'm quoting that.

[@rosehill9537]

Comostar truth! Much love 💖🇦🇺

[@normahl9086]

I’m in Glasgow, in Scotland. I remember collecting my 4 year old from school that day. We were in tears, it shouldn’t have been possible, it was shocking and heartbreaking and unbelievable. I’m a retired teacher. Safeguarding children is more important than enabling adults.

[@mairiconnell6282]

Hear Hear

[@user-fe7mg5ot9z]

Well said!

[@Justsomebody009]

I'm from Scotland too. I was born in 1997 so I actually only found about this Scottish school shooting that changed the UK only a few years ago I heard Andy Murray bringing it up or someone did anyway in reference to him... I was shocked mainly because I hate America's gun laws I think it's stupid I really really do. It's like the UK say water and electricity don't mix and Americans like " let's mix"

[@JulieWallis1963]

I am from England, i remember collecting my 4 and 5 year old from school that day too. Their school changed a lot, door locks etc. I still recall the phoyos of the children's faces in the newspapers.

[@melonmode4128]

"Safeguarding children is more important than enabling adults" What a quote.

[@crassenti]

Scotland had Dunblane, Canada had the Montreal Massacre, Australia had Port Arthur….these three western nations reacted to this gun violence and as a result of laws introduced these three nations haven’t seen the same level of gun violence since….I pray someday America just clues in….

[@davedavids57]

Correlation is not causation. Northern Ireland, never brought in a hand gun ban and still has never had a mass shooting, Switzerland, Czechia, Hungary, Poland, Austria, Slovakia, Slovenia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Italy, Malta, Bulgaria.etc etc. All haven't had mass shootings but still have relatively liberal gun laws. It's highly highly likely that these nations wouldn't have had any more gun violence if they hadnt have change their laws.

[@LG-cz6ls]

@@davedavids57 NI requires a gun licence. And maybe you haven't heard of the (quaintly misnamed) Troubles?

[@redfog42]

@@LG-cz6ls the tweely names Troubles was a different matter.

[@davedavids57]

​@@LG-cz6ls Firstly NI still requires EXACTLY the same licence as the Dunblane shooter had. Firearm licences as we know of today were introduced UK wide in 1968 (there were licences before that date as well). These were amended in 1987 to ban semi auto rifle centre fire (again UK wide) but the 1997 hand gun restrictions were only in Britain. As such the same laws that applied in Britain prior to Dunblane still exist and work exactly the same now as they did then in Northern Ireland. As such saying the only reason there are no mass shootings in Britain is because of the ban is heavily undermined by the fact that since 1997 there haven't also been any mass shootings in NI as well. I am a little confused by your mention of the Troubles. Firstly neither the Republicans or Loyalists applied to the police to have licences (they imported thousands and thousands of guns illegally) and the British army didn't have to. The guns they used weren't legally bought. In any case the last terrorist mass shooting was in 1994 (Greysteel Massacre) and was carried out by the Ulster Freedom Fighters with a machine gun AK47 (a gun that's never been legal in the UK and was likely provided by Israel/South African intelligence). Strangely enough they didn't have a licence for this gun!!!

[@TalkieToaster.]

@@davedavids57 these are exactly the mental gymnastics preventing the USA from moving forward, congrats.

[@kevintwine2315]

Hopefully the US becomes a civilised country one day and they start to value the lives of everyone, especially children.

[@mariontanner7557]

I'm sure the most partner US civilians value lives in the same way as we do in the UK and most countries. We worry about knife crime .

[@kevintwine2315]

@@mariontanner7557 That’s a fair point, maybe I should have said I hope the *government* start to value the lives of children, although that seems unlikely considering they don’t care about their citizens on the whole

[@ChloeOfTheCookies]

Guns can do a lot more damage than knives, much easier and much quicker. Despite this, America will never be able to get rid of guns. You can't put the genie back in that bottle. It's a crying shame.@@mariontanner7557

[@richardwhite4300]

@@mariontanner7557 It's the same here, but few people know it. According to the FBI Uniform Crime Report -- the gold standard for such data -- there are always four to five times as many murders committed with "knives and other cutting instruments" than with rifles of any description. (This data point is just for those who wring their hands over "assault weapons" -- a meaningless term.)

[@anitaherbert1037]

What some Americans do not understand is people especially farmers have guns. Our attitudes to guns is very different. We don't associate them with strength or masculinity. Not really with personal protection. They are tools. For hunting, vermin, sport, protection. Etc. We do not have dangerous animals in the UK which maybe a factor. It should also be noted that cars can kill multiple people and in the UK it is also much much harder to get a driving licence.

[@Brozius2512]

Exactly! Well said!

[@barrysteven5964]

Excellent points.

[@Kitrichor]

Also the laws around gun ownership are VERY strict. Legal consequences are very real if you mistep them.

[@rixsist7048]

Difference is cars are used to drive, but can also be used to kill. Knives are used to cut, but can also be used to kill. Any heavy or sharp object can be used as weapons really. But guns are *only* made to kill or injure. There’s no other use for them.

[@anitaherbert1037]

@@rixsist7048 sport

[@charlestaylor3027]

In the UK carrying a gun during a crime doubles the sentence, firing it doubles again, shooting someone is life unless the armed police kill you first.

[@thresagraham8181]

@charlestaylor3027, unfortunately the given sentence is always halved in UK, unless specified that it is a full life sentence, that sadly, rarely happens in UK. 👍🌻🌻

[@etienne8110]

In the US it is exactly the same if you are Black 😅

[@TheMattSturgeon]

​​@@thresagraham8181not technically correct; the _sentence_ isn't halved, the sentence consists of both a _prison term_ and a period released _on licence._ You are still serving your sentence if you get released _on licence._ Being released on licence is subject to good behaviour, you still have other restrictions while on licence, it is part of the rehabilitation process, and it relieves strain on the prison system.

[@Ginric99]

@@thresagraham8181 no if you are sentenced to over 7 years you must serve 2/3's as a minimum

[@dh1380]

But isn't life actually like 25 years ish

[@dj_paultuk7052]

Me and my Wife left the USA 15yrs ago and moved to the UK. Our main reasons at the time were Guns, our family safety and also Racism. Moving to the UK and bringing our kids up here was the best thing we have ever done. We have met so many other fellow Americans here in the UK during our time here and they also made the move due to the same reasons.

[@DisconnectedRoamer]

You don't need a gun to feel safe here, now that's freedom ❤

[@MostlyPennyCat]

Guns, OK, yeah that's obvious. But tell me about the racism bit. Yes we're a lot less racist here, are you and your family black? Were you the targets of racism or did you just want to get away from it? Just curious, I've never heard anybody list that as a reason for immigrating to the UK!

[@heykirstieb]

⁠​⁠​⁠Random interjection: my cousin is mixed race and was born here, but moved to the states when he was 14. He said the difference was quite stark for him.. he hadn’t really thought about the fact that he was mixed race much in the UK, but as soon as he was across the pond people kept asking ‘what are you?’ all the time. ‘British..’ he would reply (thinking they were referring to his English accent) - but he said they were always asking about his skin colour and heritage. As he got older, he then found that there was a lot of pressure to either hang out with groups of black kids or white kids. Obviously there is still racism in the UK, but the main difference he’s noted is a more obvious sense of division between the racial groups.

[@jino4280]

@@MostlyPennyCat I live and was born in England. I am a white female, my husband is mixed race. As a couple we have never talked about our skin colour, it's not a conversation we have here. It really doesn't matter. The only time we've talked about skin colour was when we had a black American visitor recently and the subject of race was brought into our home. She said it was a normal thing in America to discuss that. It isn't here and it felt uncomfortable and unwanted.

[@sunseeker9581]

It probably also depends what state you live in. America is a big place. ​@@heykirstieb

[@clareshaughnessy2745]

I remember that day. My daughter was about the age of these little ones. As I drove home from work and the news was unfolding I had to pull over because I was crying too hard. I looked at other motorists and could see many of them listening to the same news and I could see the sorrow and horror on face after face. I don’t know how a country can go through this and not be affected. When Sandyhook happened I was sure that was going to be the tipping point. But no. There is a hole inside many Americans. I don’t know how it happened, but something is missing in their hearts

[@Mo9000]

You've absolutely hit the nail on the head with Americans (not all of them) but so many of them lacking in humanity and driven by hyper-individualism it shocks you to the core. Money is more important than human lives, just how the Tories would have it in the UK if they had their way. Thanks capitalism.

[@andychips]

Yes! I remember that day so well. I too was driving home. I had a 1yr old and the tragedy was just too close to home for me. It was probably the last time I cried out of sorrow and empathy -all for the parents who lost their little ones.

[@MostlyPennyCat]

"There is a hole inside many Americans" Well, yeah. It's where the bullet went.

[@izabelasiczek3547]

Listening to you both omg ! FREEDOM is when I don't need a gun and when I don't loose a house cause you need cancer treatment !!!

[@dross2172]

I just want to add that this is NOT a media problem. I am not in any profession connected to the media however I do know that reputable, reliable, legacy media simply reports the problems, they themselves don't offer commentary on it. They bring on specialists who analyze the news and bring their spin on it. It's the same today as it was yesterday, the year before and the decades before that. This problem rests on the gun manufacturers, their lobbyists and the congress and senate who sell their souls in order to get kickbacks and re-election and the active support of the NRA. That's it. Your kids lives are up for sale so some asshole you've never met can get a quick buck and you and families are left to pick up the pieces of your shattered lives when your loved ones are killed in schools, churches, concerts and anywhere else where the shooter figures he can finally make a name for himself for becoming a record holder in the "Who killed the most people" sweepstakes. That is just pathetic.

[@somniumisdreaming]

Lose

[@healingandgrowth-infp4677]

You are so wrong and they are so right You are just brainwashed

[@chelsealouise3137]

Exactly!!!! My kid wouldn’t be going to any US school. It’s sad that they literally practice lockdown protocols!!! Sorry i feel much safer and more free not requiring a firearm! It just escalates as you all can clearly see!!!!

[@Supernovice942]

Exactly, in americas quest for what they call “liberty” they are inferior in every metric to most other developed nations. Healthcare, crime, guns, police force, schooling. I don’t have a second amendment, but I have no healthcare bills, free university tuition and no fear of guns.

[@stevencrutchley3234]

Australia and New Zealand did exactly the same thing after a single mass shooting.

[@charpost62]

and in Australia it took only 12 weeks to change the gunlaws

[@georgiegorge6679]

@@charpost62 yep , best thing any government did in Australia . both Scotland and Australia mass shootings happened in the same year in 1996 .

[@michaelconnor1542]

Except the crime rate rose and now Australia puts those that disagree in camps.

[@georgiegorge6679]

@@michaelconnor1542 get a brain cell sunshine , you need it 😂😂😂😂

[@michaelconnor1542]

@@georgiegorge6679 that isn't an argument and shows you have none. Which is typical of the left. No argument? Insult.

[@ellenmeilee]

Gil Scott Heron said it so well for the US, it seems,…”when other folks give up theirs, I’ll give up mine”. So glad to live in the UK and we owe so much to the activists who in the deepest of the most unimaginable grief wanted to change things for others.

[@saintuk70]

I was directly involved with the aftermath of the Dunblane shootings. Thankfully I did not lose a child, or was a child at the school, however, I was an adult involved with the services that supported the families and communities right after, and for the months and years following. Profound memories of spending days preparing for their burial, the memorial services, spending time with the families... as you can tell I'm trying not to go into detail. Finally, all I will say is that being in the school days after, seeing the location at the sports hall, just changed everything. Us Brits will never truly understand how the USA can continue to ignore the huge problem faced. Lobby groups or no, money or not, change is a must.

[@pebblesandwoowoo]

And being a child of that time and remembering the fear; to now being an adult - how can they continue to ignore it when it is so much worse. With no weapons of war being used, I just can't comprehend the incompetence or lack of forethought that let the bill run out. It's like the government there want the chaos and death to continue for whatever purpose?

[@cnccccccd]

I worked with a guy who survived it as a child, he is still deeply affected to this day. I was 9 in Edinburgh and still remember all the parents being so upset explaining what had happened and being really scared at school for a while after 💔 but nothing on the ones who lived up in Dunblane. Still heartbreaking. Thank you for supporting them at that time and after.

[@edinburghgirl1]

I was a high school student in Edinburgh at the time and i remember the eerie silence an disbelief countrywide for over a week after

[@elektrarider2275]

I'm so sorry.

[@marlecmarine5393]

Listening to your conversations around guns is scary to me here in the UK, the idea of a gun making you safe is completely mad to 99% of UK people. Of course we have homes broken into, but in my 70 years here l have never heard of a case of guns being used during a home break in. On average in the US about 20,000+ people are shot to death and about 1200 US citizens are shot by Police. We have an average of 5 people shot each year and are usually shot by Police connected to serious criminal activity. Police here do not carry guns and only a small number carry tasers. Cases of citizen on citizen shootings are rare here maybe one or two a year, usually connected to criminal activity. The lessons are simple, if citizens can't access guns they can't shoot each other. If police don't have guns they can't shoot citizens.......Most of Europe is similar to the UK in their attitude towards guns.

[@lordylou1]

Furthermore, I understand there is legislation surrounding the keeping of guns in the US (I'm a Brit), and they need to be kept locked away in the home. No intruder will give you the time to rush to the gun cabinet, unlock it, find the ammunition and load the weapon.

[@pridedyanky]

Some police do carry firearms. Gun crime is rising in the UK, we just don't see it. My boss was an armed response officer.. you don't even want to know what he's seen/knows. The UK isn't all sunshine and rainbows..

[@douglasmcclelland]

@@pridedyanky You’re right, the UK isn’t perfect and there are shootings and killings but these are 98/99% between gangs. Shootings of non -gang related individuals in the UK is

[@drewlang9095]

Marlec.......Lies, gun crime is at 10yr high for the last 10 years.......a report by the Guardian found: The sharpest rise is in the north-east, where gun crime has more than tripled from an average of 91 firearms offences a year between 2009 and 2012, to 294 a year between 2019 and 2022. In the Cleveland police area, firearms offences have risen almost sixfold, from a yearly average of 22 to 127. Durham, Sussex, Lincolnshire, Northumbria, South Yorkshire, Norfolk and Kent police have all seen numbers more than double in 10 years. That's only England, not including all the shooting we have up here in Glasgow or over in N.Ireland.......stop spreading false narratives on the internet, and your '20,000+' statistics......that also includes suicides.......get your facts right.

[@pridedyanky]

@@drewlang9095 yeah, I'm from the North East. Firearms are still a small problem compared to knives. That's a serious problem. This is what most don't understand, banning firearms in the US is like trying to ban knives in the UK. It's impossible.

[@seedhillbruisermusic7939]

I'm from Scotland, I remember when Dunblane happened. I was walking my dog up the park listening to radio on my personal stereo. Total shocker. We changed the gun laws and we've never had a school shooting again. How many has the USA had since then?

[@seraphinaaizen6278]

Dunblane happened before I was born. But I had the luxury of growing up in a country where I NEVER had to worry about being murdered in my class room. It was not a realistic concern. I have seen the phrase "active shooter" so many times in American headlines that, frankly, it almost feels like a biweekly event.

[@JarlGrimmToys]

@@seraphinaaizen6278In Britain we have fire drills at school. In the US they have active shooter drills in their schools. Literally teaching primary school kids what to do if someone comes in to shoot children. There’s something very sick with a culture where that is considered normal.

[@andrewburton7480]

I really thought a couple of years back that the young people of America people where getting through to the US government about gun laws but still nothing has changed. I can’t believe that the US doesn’t take action against gun laws

[@JarlGrimmToys]

@@andrewburton7480 was that after the Parkland shooting. Where the teenage survivors became gun reform activists. Who were heralded across the world as young heroes. Only for the rest of the world watch in shock as they were mocked and dismissed by the grown ups in the US.

[@andrewburton7480]

@@JarlGrimmToys sounds about it

[@GaryWayneHill64]

I live in England and if someone breaks into my house they can take what they want, that is why we have home insurance so we can claim back for what we have lost, items can be replaced, a life cannot. I have no desire to engage an intruder in a shoot out at six paces, that ain't ending well either way.

[@EtherealSunset]

I think this is the main difference between the two countries. In the UK people/lives are seen as more important. In the USA possessions/money is seen as more important. Obviously, there are individuals who feel differently in both countries, but when talking about the general ethos of the country as a whole, that's the difference between the two and explains the drastic differences in gun laws and many things. Many countries have the general rule of your rights end when they start to infringe on the rights of others. This is not the attitude in the USA.

[@davedavids57]

Given that every year dozens of people in the UK get attacked in their own homes they aren't always interested in your possessions. There have been hundreds of cases where they have seriously hurt people either for fun or just to get stuff. It only really gets on the news when it happens to someone famous but just google it. In the US, the are thousands of cases of people defending themselves with guns. Just google it.

[@richardwhite4300]

@@EtherealSunset Not really true. False conclusion. You are willing to sacrifice your rights -- which are not, in the US, gifts of the state which can be revoked at any time -- for an ephemeral sense of security. Your criminal class thanks you for that.

[@richardwhite4300]

Your criminal class thanks you for that.

[@CaptainBollocks....]

@richardwhite... "Not... gifts of the state which can be revoked at any time" Actually, they are. Amendments are not called amendments for no reason - they were added later, by the government, thus "gifting" you the right

[@Glenys8080]

I was 16 years old at the time and my English teacher came into the classroom in tears. She then told us what happened. My highschool was in Glenrothes Scotland. The ban wasnt the only change. All schools were locked down and secure entrances created. Every morning as soon as pupils are in, all external doors are locked and the only way to access the school is via the main entrance by a door controlled by the office. And then there is other locked doors controlled by the office to access the building further.

[@johamlett27]

I live in England. I’m 57 years old and I’ve never seen a gun in real life

[@paul1979uk2000]

I live in England as well, I have seen guns before but that's mostly because my dad and brother were into guns when I was a kid, air rifle guns, if it wasn't for them, I would never have seen a gun in my entire life and I'm 43 and clearly, going on our examples, it's very rare to see guns in the UK.

[@HH-hd7nd]

I'm 47 and I also have never seen a gun in day-to-day life here in Germany. The only time I had a gun in my hands was during my time at the military.

[@andrewwaller5913]

You've never seen armed police at an airport ?

[@fionagregory9147]

My dad had one from world war II but never used it. Antique now.

[@fionagregory9147]

@@andrewwaller5913 never been to an airport.

[@janmortensen9314]

Not only UK, but also Australia and recently New Zealand introduced strict gunlaws after mass shootings

[@InsideOutJellyBaby]

There's been over 200+ in America already this year. And they still haven't done anything to prevent more mass shootings from happening

[@davedavids57]

Yer you have absolutely no idea what gun laws in Australia and New Zealand are do you? :p

[@Dee-JayW]

And Canada 🇨🇦

[@InsideOutJellyBaby]

@@Dee-JayW More countries should ban weapons tbh Less people would needlessly die every year!

[@ladavies29]

I think part of the issue with the ‘protection’ thing and burglary is the cultural attitude that Americans have around possessions. I’ve noticed it seems to be that they feel if someone wants to steal your stuff or come onto your property, then you should have the right to kill them or they deserve to die. Here in the UK, I wouldn’t consider that someone was breaking in to harm me. They just want my car keys or my TV. Not saying that I definitely wouldn’t try and stop them if they came in, it’s just I know it’s extremely unlikely they have a gun so why would I feel the need to have one too? If they DID bring a weapon and were desperate to escape if caught, then what’s the point in trying to stop them. I’ve got insurance, is it really worth the risk in myself or them being injured or killed for a possession that can be replaced? Personally, I don’t think so.

[@lindaraterink6451]

THIS!

[@Squimbelina]

Yes. And also, my possessions aren’t more than a human life, even if that human life is breaking into my house to steal those possessions.

[@DavidZ4-gg3dm]

What if a burglar attacks you?

[@FeedbackPete1]

Lynda sort of answered my question and she sees it exactly how I do. I'm in Scotland. In the UK we don't lie in bed thinking oh my god my house might get broken into tonight our house may get robbed I better go out and get myself a gun. We simply don't have that fear. We don't have that need. And we survive fine without them. Most people in the UK will have never seen a real gun never mind handled one.

[@yvonnehare3718]

Exactly, I live in the UK too, I have children to protect in my house. I would never have a gun here. Not in a million years (most House break ins happen when homeowners are not at home anyway). I never want to see or hear a gun in my lifetime

[@superzwiebel]

Yeah, exactly! The only time I've seen guns here in the UK (outside of museums) was after 9/11 when there were police officers at train stations holding guns - and that was a clear sign that there was something HORRIBLY wrong.

[@victoriamuniz8958]

In Spain, to legally own a weapon, you have to pass psychological and medical tests and have a clean criminal record. My grandfather was a medical examiner in the 1970s, and because of his job he had a gun. When he died, they told the family that if they wanted to keep it, they had to block it, so that it could never be used again, and also give them police certificates, to show that they had it legally and that it was unusable. If they didn't, they had to hand it over to the police.

[@InsideOutJellyBaby]

America should also do this. But something tells me that won't happen

[@alisonscott1469]

Hello and thankyou for reacting to the dunblane tragedy. I’m from Scotland and I remember this incident like it was yesterday. One thing that always makes me tear up is Sophie North’s dad who got the gun law changed because of the snowdrop appeal. Sophie’s mum died from cancer and before she died she made Mick North promise to keep Sophie safe so he moved to Scotland. Sophie goes to school at 5 years old and gets killed for doing nothing wrong and now he is left without a wife and daughter. Also Tennis Player Andy Murray was at this school the day of the shooting. Take care 😘 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇺🇸

[@steveaga4683]

One must not forget that the 2nd Amendment is exactly that! AN AMENDMENT! It can be AMENDED!

[@Roadent1241]

Oh, pardon me, I thought Amendment meant Set In Stone Law, I didn't think it was a Flexible Rule. So as a verb it means Changed?

[@steveaga4683]

@@Roadent1241 And if it it has been changed...it can be changed AGAIN!

[@revd.phillipwallace-pugh9955]

How many gun owners are part of authorised and regulated militias?

[@steveaga4683]

@@revd.phillipwallace-pugh9955 How many authorised and regulated militias are NEEDED in Domestic USA

[@billjaycock3626]

And it was written at a time when it took 20 seconds to reload after each shot.

[@MoA-Reload...]

I'm Scottish and live in N Ireland. A few years ago there was a little trouble outside my house around July 12th while I was on Discord. One of my American friends asked what it was about and I explained a little and he googled a bit too. He went on about how horrifying it must be to live somewhere like here and not have a gun to protect me and my family. Situation I have here is the school my son goes to is an amazing school but it is the "wrong" school for the area where I live so I do have to have him change out of his school uniform before I bring him here or I might end up chased out. It's a Catholic v Protestants thing. My response to him was "My sons teachers emergency supplies in her desk drawer are probably spare pencils and pens and maybe a bag of M&M's... NOT a combat medic pack, bullet proof vest and if a politician even hinted at arming the teachers, they'd be run out of office!" We're just fine without easy access to guns even in N Ireland.

[@moodycowcrafts4862]

Guns would make the situation infinitely worse All it takes is one person to misfire their gun and it’ll be all out carnage on the streets

[@MasterIceyy]

This is why Americans can't throw hands, they rely on guns so much

[@GWAYGWAY1]

Andy Murray the tennis champion, was a pupil at the Dunblane primary school, he survived but a lot of his classmates died. There was another killing spree in Hungerford when a man took his automatic weapons and went on a random killing spree in the main town area, that sealed the fate of guns in the UK.

[@kathnunan641]

Adny and his brother survived because they were not in the classroom where the shooting happened They were both in classrooms at the other end of the school The ironic thing was that Andy Murray's class were next to do PE

[@Spiklething]

Not trying to be antagonistic but some misinformation here. The shooting took place in the school gym, not a classroom and whilst Andy Murray was at the school when this happened, he did not loose any classmates. Children that he knew maybe but no one from his class. It was Primary 1 children that died, aged 5 & 6. Andy was 3/4 years older than this. How do I know? My daughter was in primary 1 when this happened. She’s now 32. Andy Murray is 35. I have also worked with one of the children who was shot and survived. They are the same age as my daughter. It was said at the time that the person who did this went into the gym because he was expecting the children to be in assembly in the gym so that he would be able to kill more. However, it was the primary 1 class having a gym class.

[@carelgoodheir692]

@@davestuart1382 We do have a small but growing gun violence problem of a different kind - drug gangs fighting each other. For that we need changes in drug laws and medical drug policy on opiates, preferably changes that bring us back to pre'70.

[@debbiemckeown7626]

None of Andy or Jamie’s classmates died, Andy was in Primary 4 and Jamie was in Primary 7. The only class that was targeted was the Primary 1 class that were in the gym hall. The school assembly was on that day and Thomas Hamilton had asked someone who went to the school what time it finished but they gave him the wrong time so it had already finished by the time he got to the school.

[@sampeeps3371]

The amount of Americans that have told me gun control doesn't work smh. You just wonder if its ignorance or willful ignorance.

[@sampeeps3371]

@@micade2518 they come up the silliest retorts. My secret hobby is getting them riled up about guns. They're nearly all racist

[@kenavr]

Because they have an impression of their country that makes them think they need guns to defend themselves in the first place. If you feel you are surrounded by criminals and 50% of them are out to kill you, it makes you feel only the law-abiding citizens are getting punished by gun control. Criminals gonna criminal. There are two options, either this is untrue and they are just living in fear, and gun control would work. Or it is true, in that case, they are living in a shitty hellhole.

[@gerritvalkering1068]

to a very large degree, it's what they've been told. In the news, in the papers, in 'gun rallies'. They're just repeating what they've been told, by people they trust. Just as, by the way, we generally do. I can't blame them entirely.

[@michaelconnor1542]

@sampeeps3371 gun guntrol laws were instituted to keep guns out of the hands of minorities. So you side with actual racists. Good job.

[@JarlGrimmToys]

@@michaelconnor1542 can you name which gun law that came into effect after Dunblane. Was instituted to keep guns out of the hands of minorities? Because I’m pretty sure you just made that up.

[@mike5d1]

Guns are not totally banned in the UK. You can even get semi-automatic weapons legally, provided they are .22calibre. However "self defence" is not classed as a valid reason for gun ownership.

[@ballagh]

Handguns are also legal in Northern Ireland although part of that is from the retention of self defence handguns by off duty police and former security forces members. Still highly regulated though.

[@mike5d1]

Ture, but you can't carry one from Northern Ireland to the Mainland.@@ballagh

[@davedavids57]

Semi auto shoguns are also legal in the UK. Hand guns are slowly coming back as well in Britain. The ban was only on police issued licences so the Home Offices have always been issuing hand gun licences under section 5 of the 1968 firearms act. Mainly to vets (to shoot horses etc), ex security services and after the 2012 olympics British international shooters. Some politicians have supposedly been given hand gun licences (due to the murder of MPs). There is also section 7.1 (historic hand guns that are kept at home and not fired) and section 7.3 historic hand guns that are kept at a club and fired.

[@MelanaC]

I was pregnant with my first child when Dunblane happened… It was horrific. I live in Scotland. It was the worst day ever for the UK Gun laws changed dramatically but so did attitudes We took it seriously 💔

[@davedavids57]

They didn't actually change gun laws. The revolver used just has to be a bit longer now to be owned in Scotland or you can just own it and keep it in Scotland. It was a great example of government spin for people who don't really understand the law.

[@kitkat3155]

As much as I want to visit the USA, I’m too scared to go there until something changes with the gun laws. I might never get to go... 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@SNORKYMEDIA]

gun crime is bad but most tourists dont go to the areas where it is bad. you are very unlikely to get shot. they have 11,000 deaths in 300 MILLION people.....

[@susanatinsley7136]

It's not even just the gun laws, it's the actual mindset of a lot of Americans that puts me off, they are supposedly the most friendly people always smiling, and yet from what I've seen and heard (actually from normal sane Americans) they are the angriest people, seems to me that they use a lot of very hard drugs, they have no fear and self respect to not go to jail over the most inane things, it blows my mind.

[@gogglebox2427]

My husband's friend was attending a Conference in America. He was dressed in a business suit when his rental car broke down. He knocked on a door to ask for help, and was shot and killed.. THROUGH the unopened door. The homeowner was exhonorated because he was "defending his property". 😢

[@gr3yh4wk1]

Went to New York in 2008. Had a great time. No guns, didn't see any fights or anything. That said, there are lots of places in the US I definitely would not set foot in. NYC just seems to almost have a european sensibility - really nice friendly and amazing place to visit. Relatively cheap too. If you want to go, I'd recommend NY.

[@northeything8568]

​@@gogglebox2427 😯

[@blotski]

My thoughts. Dunblane affected the British population deeply. We are a small enough country for everyone to feel it. At the time I had two young children and my eldest was the same age as the murdered children. Remember they were aged six and seven. I remember the tears. I remember sitting in my car sobbing as I listened to Radio 4 and the reporter from Dunblane trying to explain. I remember the school photo on the front of the papers. I remember a policeman with tears rolling down his face. I don't think it would ever be possible for British people to think of guns as being there for self-defence. For many of us we just thought of them as the things that madmen used to kill children. The gun laws were passed quickly because it was what the public wanted. Also because there is no powerful gun lobby in the UK. I do, however, feel sympathy for Americans. I'm not sure how the USA can tackle this. People want guns because everyone else has got guns and that's understandable. I don't think you'd ever get a mass handing over of guns as you did in the UK and Australia. There are just too many. And the cynical involvement of the gun lobby and its financial (and in my view corrupt) hold on many politicians is a huge problem.

[@njmj2373]

Nothing to do with the countries size. We hold human life at a higher level than USA that's all.

[@totallybored5526]

So if you lived in a larger country you wouldn’t have empathy? That’s what your comment implies

[@markwarne7454]

Strange, but I always believed that the second amendment gave all americans the right to bear arms "IF" they were forming a militia fior the purposes of defending their town/cities. NOT a carte blanche law that says you can have a gun at any time. When the American constitution was written the colonies had just won a war with Britain, so the risk of armed raiders attacking small towns or homesteads or of encounters with native Americans was still high. Hence the need for militias. Even way back then they were smart enough to see the problems that could arise from unlimited gun ownership. It seems however that nearly all americans ignore the part of the amendment that states it is for forming militias that the right to carry a gun is granted. Amazing how Americans scream about the second amendment without fully understanding it. Thoughts please. btw, I'm from the UK where we have some of the safest gun laws in the world.

[@CaptainBollocks....]

"Even way back then they were smart enough to see the problems that could arise" Yup, IIRC, people even gave up their gns upon entering a township. The Wild West really wasn't as wild or a free for all like it appears to be now

[@InsideOutJellyBaby]

For the life of me, I'll never be able to understand how it only took ONE mass shooting in a school to change how easy it is to aquire a gun in England, while there's dozens upon dozens of mass shootings in America every year amd nothing has been done at all I'd honestly feel scared living in America knowing everyone I passed on the street most likely had a gun and could shoot me any second for any weird reason I mean, there's already been 200+ mass shootings in America this year, and we still have 4 more months left of it!

[@davedavids57]

The 1997 firearm length restrictions didn't make it harder to own a gun in England. They didn't change anything about the licencing procedure (from the 1968 firearms act). They just restricted guns under 60cm (with a simple amendment to the previous act). So the shooter would have had to have used a longer gun, that's it. The weird thing is the shooter didn't even try and hide his guns. So length wasn't an issue. It was an odd law that made no sense. Luckily the UK government are slowly year by year rolling it back and allowing more and more hand guns in England (using section 5, section 7.1 and 7.3 licences).

[@InsideOutJellyBaby]

@@davedavids57 Luckily? I dontvwant more public walking around with guns in their pockets in my country.

[@davedavids57]

​@@InsideOutJellyBaby Hahahahaha it's not your country. It's government policy to just not talk about things, as long as you don't see all the guns you won't be scared. Ignorance is bliss. That's basically UK gun laws for you. Especially now anyone with a 3D Printer can just print a fully working machine gun in a few hours. Compared to the US the UK has a very high political assassination/ attempt level. MPs Stephen Tims, Jo Cox, David Ames and Nigal Jones were all killed or very badly injured since the gun length restrictions. With such a high level of attacks (compared to the US) it makes sense to allow politicians or their associates to have hand guns to protect themselves. Typically they go to people with military or police experience. Unless you give hundreds of MPs 24 hour armed police protection (which is incredibly expensive) there isn't really another way. Also given that hand gun shooting is a olympic sport, if Britain wants to host multi sport international events there has to be a sporting exemption. Added to that it's pretty cruel to deny vets hand guns for humane dispatch. Added to this those involved in historical investigation need the rights to use guns (that's why their is a civilian vickers machine gun club), plus gun development is an important economic and defence issue so civilian engineers need licences to develop hand guns etc too. But as this is all quite scary. Best just forget this and stay in ignorance.

[@InsideOutJellyBaby]

Why are you calling me ignorant? I just don't want every member of tbe UK public to have deadly weapons on their possession. I know its not my country. But I live in it. So It's a figure of speech.

[@DisconnectedRoamer]

These numbers have drastically increased due to mental health issues in America, if they invested in public services more than wars they wouldn't have this issue. Also division is greater than ever

[@carolynmurtaza1180]

I'm from Scotland, my daughter was 4 years old. That morning the school my daughter went to kids walked to school without their parents and by the end of school day the playground was full of parents waiting. All schools from that day had buzzers and intercoms on the doors that were kept locked during school hours and they still do to this day including high schools.

[@grahamboffey457]

Never seen a gun close up, until I went to the States. That was in 1980. We were never so into guns in the UK.

[@keithprice1950]

I have two sons and I simply cannot imagine the pain of losing them. It's heartbreaking hearing parents talk about losing their children.

[@JamesDominique]

It still baffles me how in America it’s normal for kids to do active shooter drills. Not a day goes by in the Uk we have to even think about guns or shooters. Doesnt even cross minds.

[@geordiegeorge9041]

The worst thing about Dunblane is that the killer was known to the police to be unstable. Why was he not disarmed.

[@davidsmith7001]

Because his local freemason MP personally intervened to the police when he was refused a firearms license

[@mikesmith8313]

Terrible reckoning for Police to grant gun licences to obvious maniacs. Single men,low socio-economic status, poor communication skills, socially inept, they grant gun licences as if they were toys to anyone with a gun club membership. They should re-classify mental illness in DSM-V to include grim social factors which are just as bad as real psychosis.

[@AndyVE75]

48 now, but when i was a kid my father was in the military, I never ever even saw him with a gun (except for on pictures). In Belgium there are stict laws for obtaining a gun licence (need theorethical, practical, physical and mental exams and takes time before you receive it). Also a big no go on automatic guns are anything military grade. Find it so weird they ban kinder eggs because a few kids died, but thousands of gun victims are still not bad enough to even do something like just to make it much more difficult to obtain a gun… I don’t even know a store where they sell guns or amo in my country. Even certain type of knifes are illegal here…

[@topjunk2]

ye guns dont need to be banned completely just very strict law and cheks. you can still legally own a gun in uk its just very strict law and regulations on it

[@Tomvaneester]

knives swords nunchucks. any concealed weapon, with a weapon being any object with no use other than weapon. The argument 'this is my potato peeler' doesn't fly with butterfly knives or anything with a blade over 8cm

[@tubekulose]

@@Tomvaneester Really? Here in Austria butterfly knives, switchblades, nunchucks, push daggers ... actually every type of melee weapon is legal redardless of the size, which I appreciate because I own a lot of them. Even if you walk through the city carrying a sharp two-handed sword police won't have legal grounds against it. But when it comes to guns, our laws are very strict, which I appreciate as well.

[@Tomvaneester]

@@tubekulose yep. you can own it, but not carry it. When you go to an anime convention and buy a sword, it has to stay wrapped in its box untill you are home.

[@tubekulose]

@@Tomvaneester I see. Well, here you can also carry it, just like your keys.

[@graceisabella]

14:50 an interesting point which i think highlights the insane difference in gun culture between the US and the UK is that a 6-year-old knew how to operate a gun enough to shoot a teacher. i'm 20 and was born and raised in a post-Dunblane UK, and if you handed me a gun right now i would have no idea how to use it. i've never even seen a gun. the fact that gun culture is so normalised and so incessant in the US even as early as 6 years old is completely incomprehensible to me

[@tillyk7]

Hey guys, watching this was fascinating - I’m from the UK so have always been afraid of guns - afraid when I see our division of police with guns / guns abroad. (Not every officer here has a gun, incase you didn’t know!) The conversation about break-ins was so interesting; as someone who is paranoid about break-ins and intruders in general for multiple reasons. I’m glad there are barely any chances for guns to be involved. I am lucky to have bats/ knives around the home for mental safety. And that does the trick for feeling safe. I really enjoyed this video!

[@wessexdruid7598]

Currently, the US has suffered 37 mass shootings - in the last 24 days. " *A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State* , the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Why is the first half of the amendment always ignored? If you can ignore the first - why not the second? Andy Murray, the British tennis champion from Dunblane was in the school at the time of the shooting, aged 8, along with his 10 y.o. brother. It has left its mark on him permanently.

[@andyhutley2857]

Adding to your point of selectively ignoring parts of it, at those points of a militia being raised (they didn't always have an active militia) they were required to prove they were capable of safely securing the gun/s, they were given the guns on a temporary basis which may be taken back if the militia were disbanded, and they were given either a musket rifle or a flint lock pistol, maybe both. They weren't given dozens and hundreds for "collecting" and they were required to both have a license and they were surprise checked to confirm the safety was being stored securely

[@Roadent1241]

How are they having nearly 2 a day?! How have I, as a silly lil' Brit, gone through 30+ years of life not fearing for my life and being too little to have heard about this when it happened unless I wasn't born at all, only the normal things like fires and bullies in school, while American friends my age will likely go "Oh yeah we thought we were gonna die every day lol but oh well is just life ain't it? Yeah I still fear for it, perfectly normal". No, t'aint. You probably all need therapy. How do we have one case of the Blams and go "OK CHUCK 'EM OUT KEEP THE BABBIES SAFE" but Americans have Blams twice a day and just go "GET MORE GUNS JIMMY WE NEED MOOOOOOORRREEEEEE GUNS!!!!!!"???????? Clearly less guns = more safety???

[@joannemcdermott2321]

I’m from the UK and remember the devastation of Dunblane - all those children and poor parents 😪💔 Over the years I thought the one thing that would change gun laws for the USA would be your own version of Dunblane and then Sandy Hook happened. Nothing changed 😑. I couldn’t believe it when I tried to find out information about the tragedy on KZbin a few years later and was met with conspiracy theories that Sandy Hook didn’t really happen and that the parents were actors 😳….I was appalled 😤

[@kdog9440]

I am 55 years old from Manchester England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 and I have only seen a gun on an armed police officer’s patrolling the Trafford Centre after the Manchester Arena bombing 😢

[@davidkerr4103]

I’m Scottish and remember Dunblane well. Since the ban on handguns and the tightening of licensing, there has never been another mass shooting since. There was not a total ban, I’m a shotgun and air rifle (required for Scotland only)license holder and could apply for a firearms license if I had the use. We just have a robust licensing system that checks the applicant is responsible and suitable ie no history of violence, no criminal record, no drug, alcohol abuse, no mental health issues etc. all these things are absolutely sensible. We also don’t allow inappropriate weapons for a civilian to hold like the AR15. You can have bolt action rifles and semi automatic rim fire rifles. No civilian needs a high capacity semi auto 5.56mm “hunting rifle”. Yes we have restrictions but my kids don’t need to participate in “active shooter drills” at school. A compromise I’m happy to accept. Oh, and if I put “home or self defence” on my application, it would be rejected immediately. Shooting people here is unacceptable no matter the situation.

[@smoonchild9401]

I am a part-time tutor. And strangely today me and my student from Russia talked about gun laws. Apparently Russia is similar to the US, but less people decide to buy a gun. And when I told that in Azerbaijan, where I live nobody owns a gun, she was shocked. She asked me how do we defend ourselves, but I have never needed protection. It is very safe here. No armed robberies, no shootings. I think some people own some sort of gun for hunting, people who live near the forest and stuff. But I think they go through so much to get that gun. I would give up my right to own a gun if I know that I am safe and protected in my country.

[@Evasion381]

apparently despite gun laws in America for years it was only the last few decades that gun companies started using fear to sell guns, before it was hunters and people who lived in dangerous animal areas mostly and then ad campaigns switched to protect you and your family. Fear created by greed

[@smoonchild9401]

@@Evasion381 gun business is huge in the US, therefore it is not profitable to stop all this. I wish at least they would ban some sort of gun and put harsher restrictions and limitations to own others. Thankfully we don't have guns here, I would live in fear if I knew that anybody can own a gun. Even our police don't carry guns

[@DisconnectedRoamer]

That's how it is in England, we don't need guns to defend ourselves because we already feel safe, this is real freedom

[@nikomangelmann6054]

the main differece between the usa and other nations is, that firearms in other nations are not meant for self defece. you can have guns for sports shooting and hunting and for this there are very strict laws for how to handle a firearm. the firearm and the ammo has to lock up in different places. so this it self make it very difficult to use a firearm for self defence.

[@davedavids57]

The majority of Europe allows guns for self defence, Czechia and Estonia even allow concealed carry by civilians for self defence. Also very very few countries in Europe have rules about storing ammo separately at home. This is easy stuff just to look up.

[@dianef4227]

It seems like the USA is all about ‘my freedom to do what is best for me’, other countries are ‘my freedom to do what is best for everyone’

[@alansevern290]

It is recorded that George Washington said that the U.S. Constitution should be reviewed and re-written every 19 year to move with the times, if this train of thought had been put into place then by now, the U.S. gun laws would definitely be so different today!

[@saxrendell]

19 is such a weird number, i wonder what his logic was

[@decrulez]

@@saxrendellso that it would go into effect on the “20th” year

[@colindebourg9012]

Too much money in the arms trade which leads to political influence for gun laws to change.

[@some-UK-bloke]

there is another dimension to guns in America which doesn't exist in the UK, and that's a political one. In the UK you couldn't place a person in a particular political party based on their position on guns.

[@DisconnectedRoamer]

Same with healthcare, they aren't political issues here just something thats agreed on by everyone

[@yasminesteinbauer8565]

Poor Lynda looks so defeated. Hope you feel better soon! By the way, I think that especially people who kill animals for fun should not have access to weapons. That's pretty psychopathic and there's something wrong with them.🤷‍♂

[@kleinshui9082]

Omg this! Enjoying non-necessary for survival murder of innocent beings is a HUGE red flag! Zero respect, definitly the type of person I avoid in life.

[@HK-gm8pe]

so shooting an animal is worse to you than shooting a human being? Interesting

[@yasminesteinbauer8565]

@@HK-gm8pe If that is what you understood, you have serious problems in text comprehension and lack the necessary skills to conduct written discussions.

[@planetwatch0000]

@@HK-gm8pe if someone enjoys taking the life of an innocent animal for fun what's to stop them moving on to people? That's the point. It's sick to kill animals for the fun of it. Surely any decent human would agree.

[@matwatson7947]

@@HK-gm8pe Errr ....where the hell did he say that?

[@creativi-tea398]

I'm from the UK. Guns still exist here in the hands of criminals but very few and usually only a pistol or shotgun. The main difference is that they only use them on eachother, they don't use the guns to go after civilians because they know that our own Armed police will come down on them with almighty fury. We have larger issues with knife crime, however you can run away from a knife.. As for break ins, I've never known of anybody having someone break in that wasn't just trying to nick their TV or something. Crossbows are legal here, so that's always an option. But you will be prosecuted if it is not clearly self defence. Farmers have been prosecuted for shooting intruders with shotguns. We know they exist but nobody lives in fear of home invasion here. We have ways to defend ourselves if necessary, but our homes are very well built and take some work to break in. Unless you've left the door open. The police are much nicer when encountering anyone because they don't have to be scared that every member of the public could have a gun. We're not allowed to carry anything larger than 3 inches with a non locking blade. Our children can thrive in school without fear of anyone coming and shooting them. Gun control is necessary. And a lot of people who've argued their amendment rights against it and say it cant be changed... don't understand that an 'ammendment' is literally a change to a document. It is quite possible to change it again.

[@MainlyHuman]

Well said. And you know what, even if I had a gun, and I came downstairs to find someone sneaking out with my TV, am I going to shoot someone over a TV? Hell no.

[@nhugh23]

I remember that day. 😢 It scared the hell out of child me. Ireland isn't even connected politically to scotland but we tightened our laws for fear of something similar in the future. Britidh and irish people can get guns, you just really need to justify why you need them.

[@dilligaf73]

Brit here. Thing about USA having guns that confuses me the most is the fact most of the public have their guns locked away, so, you have them as self defence for if someone breaks into your home yet by the time you have opened the lock, taken out the gun and loaded it, its too late anyway. BTW, we are allowed guns here but under such strict instructions that most people won't pass to get a gun license and we are happy with that.

[@leec6707]

Jim Jefferies made this point in his stand up about gun control. Well worth a look.

[@baconrasher6650]

So far in 2023 there has been 39 mass shootings in America, today is January 27th! That’s just crazy and so sad! Love from across the pond ❤️😢🙏

[@da90sReAlvloc]

That many that's f***ed up

[@keefsmiff]

Till now in 2023 the US has had 249 mass shootings ( where 4 or more people were shot) the uk has had zero

[@Heathen.Deity.]

And now it’s well over the 200 mark and over 25,000 gun violence deaths. A truly tragic situation. Meanwhile, here in the UK, not one mass shooting… since 1996.

[@psychoticgamr]

470 mass shootings across the US so far this year now. in the last week, there have been 18 @@Heathen.Deity.

[@E-jit]

I heard on the radio about a week ago that 80% of all gun related deaths here in Sweden are suicides, murder comes in second and accidents third. We’ve had a major spike in gang violence with shootings and bombings here in Sweden over the last 10 years or so. Massive increase of gun violence with deadly outcome in Sweden means 60 gun related deaths in 2022. For context Sweden has a population of about 10,4 million people. Philadelphia has a population size of 1.576 million people and the had about 1,500 cases of gun violence with a deadly outcome. Here in Sweden people are terrified because of those 60 murders that mostly involve gang members.

[@peterthomas5792]

There were TWO mass shootings that changes UK gun laws. Dunblane in 1996 (18 dead, 15 injured) and Hungerford in 1987 (17 dead, 15 injured). Semi-automatic rifles were banned and shotguns restricted in 1988 after Hungerford, then handguns were banned and stricter rules for all other guns introduced in 1997 after Dunblane. They were the ONLY two double-figure-fatality shootings in UK history. Ever. The UK is a better place for those restrictions.

[@KiKat373]

I lived in the States for 3 years. 1 Month into my stay there was a school shooting, within 2 months another South African co-worker witnessed a shooting in the parking lot of a bar - a bf shot his gf in an argument. I'm from a city that's ranked like 8th in the world of murder capitals, and I was more afraid of getting shot in a first world country lol

[@DisconnectedRoamer]

The first world is dangerous. I'd feel safer in most of the middle East compared to London

[@arnodobler1096]

One problem is that the more there are, the more normal it becomes. That is fatal. Homeless people become normal, Mass shootings, school shootings, blackouts, ... The human being is adaptable.

[@gavinforeman6529]

Up until 1987 when the the Hungerford massacre happened, you could own semi & fully automatic firearms in the UK.

[@Hannig]

I’m from the UK - it’s interesting to hear some Americans claim that they need guns to protect themselves. We feel a whole lot safer walking around here knowing someone can randomly start shooting.

[@phillippalee1966]

wow, imagine living in a world where you are afraid some one will attack you or brake into your house. How is that a free world..

[@petermcculloch4933]

I have the same thought.We take our safety for granted.

[@da90sReAlvloc]

Or imagine a world were you spelt the word break properly not brake but break

[@phillippalee1966]

@@da90sReAlvloc imagine

[@jasondilworth2767]

Same in Australia , the Port Arthur massacre changed our gun laws

[@Neenie1976]

I remember this happening, the whole of Great Britain was in shock.

[@da90sReAlvloc]

I live in London when this happened i was a kid my mom and dad both cried when they heard the news , My dad's a big strong guy he's 6ft3. Yet cried like a baby when he heard what happened in Scotland, R i p. All those little angels ,

[@Sable413]

Dr Mick North was one of my tutors at the university of stirling near dunblane, it ripped his life apart losing his daughter. We were all in shock when it happened. RIP all victims of school shootings x

[@SailorSayuri]

It’s insane that the response of teachers (those that educate the future of your nation!!!) low salary and the risk, the answer isn’t to raise the salary but to employ unqualified people… that is INSANE! 😱

[@piotrziemba2257]

here in Poland if u want to get a gun u must have at least 21 u must pass psychological and practical tests with , have physical capabilities to wield a gun , have approval from ur local police chef and u can't have any jail time on you , also u must have a good reason to have one. You must also pay for it which ranges from 500 -1000 polish currency "złoty" which is around 125-250 $ and with maximum variant even 630 $. it sound very tough to get but it isn't , most weapons here are for hunting and for sport very few is for personal protection coz in Poland there is no issue with gun owners and shooting are very rare. So it is relatively easy to get it just the majority of people doesn't need it.

[@akariSara.]

I was the same age of these children when this incident happened. I remember my mum being panicked because my cousin went to this school. I didn't understand what had happened until I was much older and I remembered the panic and fear my family felt and I looked into it. My cousin wasn't harmed thankfully. But what happened that day is remembered by many people. I personally have never seen a gun in person. The idea of seeing one is surreal to me as it is for many Brits. I have American friends who don't understand why I don't like the idea of owning a gun. I tell them what led to our gun laws changing and they don't seem to understand why we have such an oversion towards guns being easily obtainable for the public. It's strange and a huge cultural difference.

[@cheryl71000]

Five year old children , totally innocent little children, killed by an idiot for no reason. We don't have bears, wolves, wild animals that can hurt you in the UK. We don't need guns in this country. Farmers yes, they need to put animals out of pain quickly. Or to control vermin on their land. The British public don't need guns,we have too many idiots in this country. You can still do gun sports, at gun clubs, if you want too. Dunblane was horrendous. Every parents Nightmare, so they didn't have any opposition. We have problems with knives but it's gang culture. People who have a gun are usually criminals in the UK. Unless its a gun sport.

[@ProfTydrim]

Americans also like to point to the knife crime in the UK when one says that there isn't gun crime there. What they fail to realize is that knife crime is higher in the US than in the UK. Additionally to the gun crime

[@davedavids57]

As an Austrian I like to point out that violent crime and gun crime is far higher in the UK than here even though we don't even have licences for most guns. If it's just about the guns why is central europe so safe and the UK so dangerous? We have never had a mass shooting here even though we have lots of guns. The UK has them fairly frequently despite banning most guns (there was one in Plymouth only last year).

[@stevehaddon151]

​@@davedavids57Austria has never had a mass shooting, think you might want to recheck that statement.

[@davedavids57]

@@stevehaddon151 Ok I will caveat that statement, Austria has never had a mass shooting with a legally held weapon. Better?

[@iallyl3877]

@@davedavids57 did you honestly say gun crime in the UK is high?

[@davedavids57]

​@@iallyl3877 Yes compared to countries similar to it in the EU it has a high gun homicide and violence rate. Especially mass shootings, with Plymouth, Moss side, Skye, Cumbria etc in the last few years. Most shootings are in inner city London, Manchester and Liverpool. You can't really compare the UK to other nations using official figures for just gun crime, as the UK treats even toy guns (such as imitation, toy, air etc) as if they were real guns in statistics whereas most of the world just count actual guns. So UK gun crime figures look crazy but the vast vast majority are not real. The UK does statistically have a very low gun related death rate compared to other countries. But that is down to the fact that suicides are less likely to be carried out with guns. This doesn't appear to reduce the actual suicide rate, with people just choosing other methods instead. Also comparing suicide rates between countries is pretty difficult as every country has a different coroner process with the UK allowing for open verdicts and many other countries not.

[@connorward2400]

A flaw in the argument for using guns for home defence is that most home invasions happen when you aren't at home to protect it.

[@raphaelandrews3617]

YES and if you are home you are no way near a gun anyway you are more likely nearer a knife or tools, etc.

[@bcn1gh7h4wk]

that someone at the 21st century would ignore/dismiss that fact, is a sign that the US is more deluded/broken than any other country. literally any other person anywhere in the world knows that _you break bad_ when _nobody is watching_ the argument in favor of using guns for home defense comes from the colonial era, when people literally had nowhere else to go, thus, were present in their homes 24/7. with the advent of industrialization, _everyday life_ is literally _everywhere else_ OUTSIDE of your own home!

[@lucy_76]

I'm sorry but if you switch that google search from statistics on home invasions to rapes you'll see that plenty of women are home and the intruder is aware of it, it's rather the point. Since that is the situation, people should be able to responsibly own a firearm, with training, because sometimes it takes the cops a very long time to show up and sometimes you have less than 2 minutes before someone has entered your home. For that reason, I will continue to say it needs to remain a right.

[@lucy_76]

@@raphaelandrews3617 if your gun is not secured very close to where you sleep you are not doing home protection correctly.

[@bcn1gh7h4wk]

@@lucy_76 if that is the case you might want to change the argument as follows: *WOMEN* (not _people)_ should be allowed to carry *A WEAPON* (not _a GUN)_ for *SELF DEFENSE* (not _HOME_ defense) that the woman just happens to be home when the assault takes place, depends on the specific targeting of the perpetrator TO the gender of women... so, to the point of acting based on statistics, the "home" part is irrelevant. and since we're pairing the owning of guns also with the involvement on mass *shootings,* surely you see that the problem is the gun, not the crime, or the shooter.

[@breebeadman6785]

The section about break-ins got me thinking about when a guy broke into my house (his mate trying on the other side of the house) while I was there alone. I was a woman in my early 20s, living in Australia, and I never even thought about a gun or wanting one under those circumstances. Honestly, I'd have felt less safe with a gun in the house. Your average B&E person here doesn't really have access to a gun. I was able to get rid of them without one, no problem, and they much bigger than me.

[@LBelacquax]

I'm so sorry you had to go through that, that's really terrifying :(

[@Roadent1241]

Funny thing is we'd probably get in more trouble smashing their noggin with an old chunky Apple Mac laptop than they would for breaking into someone else's house. Or scratching them a bit with a fake raptor claw.

[@julianglandfield1735]

One massive difference is that even before the change in gun law in the UK, you couldn't just walk into a high street shop and buy a gun, or look at a gun, or even find a gun. Anywhere. The laws were always strict. To a UK resident it seems all America is stuck in the 1800's and seem to act like it's still the wild west. Your issue are many, the availability of guns, the general attitude to guns, even the advertising of guns in the us is insane. It's a genie out a bottle you will never get back in.

[@Roadent1241]

I can name possibly one shop where you're likely to get one, and it's a mostly fishing shop in a tiny lil' town. Never have I seen one anywhere else to my knowledge so even if I wanted one I wouldn't know where to go offline. Which I think is good when in America it seems like it's as easy as buying milk and bread.

[@VoidDragon82]

@@Roadent1241you don’t know how right you are. My 1st experience of how insane Americans are about their substitute penises (my name for guns) is when I went I the USA to visit family (not the 1st time) and my cousin and I went to Walmart to get some breakfast stuff. I went walking around as I needed to get some cheap trainers, and I walked past a section selling rifles… rifles where you buy veg, meat and toiletries! A guy was with his daughter, who looked between 8-10, and she wanted a pink f’ing rifle. I just stared at them absolutely dumbfounded. This was in 1998, just before Columbine. It’s crazy how Americans treat weapons of death as toys.

[@YearRoundHibernater]

There are more deaths from accidental shootings than from justified shootings in the US meaning you're more likely to shoot and kill yourself or your loved ones with that gun you have for protection than you are to use it against an intruder. And if it's only there as a warning and you don't intend to actually shoot it at an intruder it's just to scare them off, then buy a sign saying you have a gun instead and spend the few hundred dollars you save on an alarm system, then you have double security. A gun for safety is properganda.

[@TheRecklessMetalhead]

As an American who is Anti-guns, I agreed. The Second Amendment never makes sense to me.

[@DisconnectedRoamer]

​@@TheRecklessMetalheadespecially since it was written before the government had tanks and missiles, if it was to fight against a tyrannical government, it would only make sense to be on a level playing field but obviously even an RPG, hell even a suppressor is out of the question

[@PeterJPickles]

Nahhh Over here in England, you can argue with a stranger and not expect to die.

[@M3TR01DFANBOY]

But you can expect to be arrested for "hate speech"

[@PeterJPickles]

@@M3TR01DFANBOY But you will live. The USA has over a million people in prison, some for 50yrs + for smoking weed or with 3 strikes for feck all, don't go there, worst justice system in the developed world.

[@PeterJPickles]

@@M3TR01DFANBOY Also, refrain from hate speech and you won't get arrested, simple.

[@leec6707]

I'm glad hate speech is punished.

[@MrGreen1314]

@@M3TR01DFANBOY yes, thank god.

[@theterriblemonarch]

i live in the same council as dunblane and people have not forgotten this event, it's still talked about and that's why i'm so astounded about the shootings in america, they're so common but barely anything is done? it's really unbelievable

[@gerdahessel2268]

Professional housebreakers will not have a gun on them in Germany, because if shit happens and they fire the penalty will be much higher than just for breaking into a house even of nobody was hurt. Not to mention if someone was killed or a policeman was hurt or killed.

[@phoebegreig6523]

I lived in the next town over to Dunblane. We were sent home immediately as our Headmistress had children at that school. You know why this happened? Dunblane was PISSED!! All the little settlements around it were PISSED!! The SMPs were PISSED!! They weren’t going to take this crap again.. That’s why the laws were changed!

[@CelynBrum]

Yesterday a man got road rage and followed us out of the car to get in my husband's face and yell at him. It was scary enough as it was. Can't imagine how terrifying that would have been in a country where any random person might have a gun.

[@annafe9920]

I was reading the list of mass shootings in the USA and a lot do seem to be arguments and personal confrontations escalating further.

[@DisconnectedRoamer]

​@@annafe9920and American police are so much more aggressive and likely to kill someone because they know the people have guns they could use on the police

[@michaelatkins4501]

Andy Murray the tennis player was at that school in Scotland when it happened he still gets upset talking about it now

[@johamlett27]

I believe he hid under a desk at the time

[@johaanah]

Pretty sure his mother Judy was also a teacher there.

[@emmafrench7219]

Yes it was on the news here in UK about the 6 year old shooting his teacher. Crazy! Also a few days ago on KZbin was another toddler wearing a nappy (diaper), in the hall of the apartment with a gun and he was holding it up to his face looking down the barrel! Luckily a neighbour in the opposite apartment filmed what he was doing and the police arrested the dad. I don't know where in US it was, but something has got to be done there. I'd honestly be so scared to live there. We have our problems but my god I can walk to the shops at night and not be worried. By the way I hope you feel better soon. I don't know what exactly is wrong, only it's your mouth. I sympathise, as I know it's not the same but I've just been diagnosed with Trigeminal Neuralgia. Also known as, "The suicide illness". 😕 Bloody pain like never before. Your videos help take my mind off it for a while. So thank you.😊

[@emmafrench7219]

Also, as has been mentioned you really should take a look at Jim Jeffries gun control video. He is a brilliant Aussie comedian and is funny but makes such good points. Very clever bloke

[@jennigee51]

Watching the video of that toddler was absolutely terrifying, my heart was in my mouth!

[@Kelly-just-kelly]

Think i have cried 3 times in my adult years. Dunblane, james bulger and 9/11. Innocent kids (and adults) god bless them all

[@sarfaraz.hosseini]

Having lived in America, and FYI I love the country and culture, there is this persistent sense of fear of threats all around you in the American psyche. Yes, you may want a gun to protect your home and family, but homes with guns are much more likely to suffer gun violence. You're depressed one night, you get into an argument, your child fights with their sibling or you. Guns change that dynamic.

[@douglasmcclelland]

I think in the US you should educate your children AGAINST guns in schools so that when they grow up the learn to NOT like / want guns and value life above rights to own a gun. After time attitudes might change as they become adults.

[@clare2401]

Won't work. I cant imagine there are many parents in the US actively encouraging kids to take guns into school. Guns are literally built into the fibre of the US, there are 3x more guns in the states than people. Kids watch music videos and see artists making gun signs with their hands, they see the adults picking up a gun and easily taking a life....they are immune to it. Having a gun in a US house is no different to owning a lawnmower.

[@douglasmcclelland]

@@clare2401 I think it could work over time if done properly with the support of the government and schools, but would take time, potentially generations. Unless you can get just politicians in power who won’t be bribed or bought by gun lobbyists!!!

[@douglasmcclelland]

@@jordanfires9777 sorry but that is the same thing, by restricting who has them your taking them away from those who shouldn’t or don’t need to have them, that’s the point.

[@debbietaylor5183]

@@jordanfires9777 are you sure its hundreds of thousands because im british & in 35 years i've never seen a gun or known anyone to want/own one for that matter

[@Nekogal21]

​@@jordanfires9777but given how large the population of the UK is that's still a really small number of individuals with one. It's around 0.7% of the population of the UK with one a smaller percentage of people than those in the most wealthy of society here

[@Spiklething]

This was a devastating thing to happen, it really affected me because I live only around half an hours drive from where this happened. My eldest child was also in Primary 1, the same age as the children who lost their lives. She is now 32. Also, as a result of the area of my work, I have met one of the children who were in the gym, was shot but survived and one of the mothers who lost a child in this event. They are still hugely affected by what happened on that day and always will be.

[@leonbanks5728]

Australia also had a mass shooting in 1996 and did the same thing in response to it as well.

[@morosemoomin4515]

ive only just found your channel and will definately be a returning viewer! ive been desperately trying to find something chill sounding and not in your face loud to chill at night and go to sleep to and you guys are perfect! suoer interesting to listen to and really chill voices!

[@claregale9011]

Most criminals break into homes when the occupants are usually out .

[@sampeeps3371]

New job requirements for teachers in America: must have paramilitary experience

[@paulrichardspencer]

More Americans need to see this, we live without fear in public as a result of these changes, no freedom was lost, in fact it was gained. This terrible sad event made our country safer. It doesn't mean criminals can't get guns, it just makes them so expensive that the average criminal simply can't afford them and reduces the likelihood they are ever used for things of this nature. The statistics show this really clearly. A solution for you guys, come to England, you are welcome here and would be entirely safe.

[@wereleopard58yepihavetwo2]

Andy Murray the tennis player and his brother where at this school on the day it happened. So when he talks about school shooting he is one of the few Brits that actually has experience of being in a school that was attacked.

[@troublesometoaster4492]

There's also a really interesting thing about the US. I don't think I ever saw its constitution having any major changes, or a single change at all, at least since the 90s. Our constitution is updated often to reflect changes in technology, social and political issues, etc. People also demand constitutional changes, they don't look at it as this thing made hundreds of years ago and that somehow must have the same effects nowadays. Our constitution wasn't written with animals in mind, so now that our system is considering saying that an animal cruelty law is unconstitutional, a few dozens of thousands went to protest in front of the court to try and have them let this go and keep animal cruelty a crime, with a lot of them claiming that even if it is an unconstitutional law, they don't care about it as long as animal cruelty remains a crime. There isn't this cult around the constitution. It is a written document (and some countries don't even have a written one, like the UK), it gives us freedoms and makes sure the government doesn't abuse its power, but we don't look at it as if it was this sacred religious document that must remain unchanged for centuries to come. If there's an issue, we change it, problem solved. Gun problems? Change the constitution to say they have to be well regulated- oh wait, it already says that, hm...

[@kevinridley8883]

here in the uk ,i had shotguns up till 4yrs ago, to hold a shotgun licence , you have police checks, home visit, access to your medical records, character witness from an approved person from a list on your application ,approved gun safe & where you're going to use it, can only hold upto 3 cartridges in a gun , any more & only up to 5, you then move up to a gun licence, same as before but extra restrictions & calibre size of bullets & how many you have & used at your range , restriction on how many you can store.

[@Nettsinthewoods]

Thank you for covering this, it’s so distressing, and since you uploaded this video, another mass shooting has taken place in the US. Sending you love and wishing you well from the U.K.

[@HelenMills-wh3vf]

We,in Scotland, have never forgotten the shock and outrage of Dunblane. I , believe (and I'm not alone) that ; anyone who owns , or wants to own a gun, has something wrong with them which requires counseling and attention to their mental health. All of the rational and arguments put forward to defend gun ownership can be easily debunked by just a simple look at statistics. Most Europeans listen to thei "right to bare arms" argument with incredulity. To use an 18th century amendment to a constitution ( designed to muster local militia at a time when there was no police force or standing army) is a ridiculous argument.

[@apmoy70]

Here in Greece to own a handgun one has to either 1) have proof that their life is threatened, or, 2) is a member in a shooting club and takes part in shooting competitions regularly be it local or international. And in order to obtain a handgun-bying permit which is provided by the Police, one has to be psychologically evaluated by a psychiatrist, physically evaluated by a pathologist and must have no criminal record. Every 6 months the handgun certificate is renewed by the Police and in order to buy ammo, one has to get another license by the Police. Each cartridge is counted by the Police and if there are found some missing, you have to bear proof that they were used in a competition or else the handgun certificate is revoked. To own a rifle is impossible. No one can have -legally- one. Again, if you are a member in a shooting club, after 6 months of regularly competing in matches, one can register in their name a bolt-action rifle (only bolt-actions are permitted) that remains in the club's armory, under no circumstances one can keep a bolt-action rifle at home. The easiest firegun to get is shotgun, with a medical evaluation and no criminal history we can buy as many shotguns as we like. The license to buy it, is again given by the Police who keep a record of the shotguns one owns. The shotgun certificate is renewed every 10 years. Generally speaking, our gun laws are among the stricter in the EU. I have no problem with it, we are one of the safest countries.

[@Belfastchild1974]

When people insist their constitutional rights cannot be taken away, I wonder if anyone ever told them the meaning of the word amendment.

[@dylanwhite5921]

Exactly they act like it’s something that can’t change 😂

[@davidsmith7001]

Because it's there for a reason, to keep the government in check. When the government wants to remove that right, it becomes a self forfilling prophesy making the 2nd ammendment even more necessary

[@jackgammon4084]

@@davidsmith7001 How does it keep the government in check? If the government started attacking its own people they'd do it with the full force of the US military. Individuals with some puny guns might pick off a few soldiers but ultimately the government would win easily. In a true democracy you can actually change the law and culture. Brexit seemed an impossible dream, people ridiculed and dismissed for decades. Eventually the government gave in and it was implemented. No riots, no road blockades, no violence, no deaths, nothing. Only relentless political pressure by a small group eventually winning the hearts and minds of the British public. You Americans could remove general unreasonable gun ownership if there was the will and effort.

[@DisconnectedRoamer]

The 18th amendment was about alcohol being illegal and they changed that one

[@DisconnectedRoamer]

​@@davidsmith7001it was written before the government had missiles and tanks, good luck taking them on now 😂

[@buidseach]

Healthcare per person is a lot cheaper when it's a not for profit system, In the UK each person pays on average £5000 less than the US does when we pay it through our taxes.

[@LandPirate1]

I was only 8 years old when the Dunblane shooting happened and I've never forgotten it. Even as a child, seeing the whole country grieving was overwhelming. I remember on tv they read out the names of all the children who died. I prayed for all of them by name and cried for weeks because I thought it was going to happen to me too. How can people prefer having guns for sport or because its their right, over the life of children and innocents. At least have more rigorous background tests like we do in the UK.

[@HH-hd7nd]

8:42 The first school mass shooting in the USA was absolutely not Columbine in 1999. The first such shooting in the USA was the Pontiac's Rebellion massacre which happened on July 26 1764. Since then there have been more than a hundred mass shootings (which are defined as incidents with 3 or more victims) in the USA. This does not include incidents with one or two victims. This means that there is a school mass shooting in the USA every two years on average. Note that these numbers ONLY include school shootings, they do not include other mass shootings like the Las Vegas sooting in 2017 (with 60 people dead and at least 413 wounded). It should also be mentioned that the official investigation does not say that it was a terrorist attack - the official investiagtion states the motives for the attack as unknown. Considering the fact that he made top dollar and was allegedly a millionaire makes the usual "he was a terrorist" excuse extremely unlikely, especially considering the fact that he was not politically invested according to his girlfriend. The investigation indicated at him loosing a lot of money in the months prior to the attack though. Fact is that he legally purchased 55 firearms between October 2016 and September 2017, primarily rifles. He already posessed 29 firearms prior to that, mostly pistols and shotguns. The alleged terrorist connections are most likely a consequence of the IS claiming that he converted to Islam and therefore the IS was responsible, however the investigations have refuted these claims. He checked into the hotel six days prior to the shooting and used this time to prepare the attack. 20:40 That's nonsense. People in other countries can defend their homes without having guns. Not to mention that a lot of people in the USA are in fact shot with their own damn guns which the burglar just found before the home owner got his or her hands on it. Guns have only one purpose: To kill. And that's what happens when people have guns, simple as that. PS: People who go hunting for sport or "to have fun" are insane. It's one thing to kill an animal as a matter of survival or in self defence. Killing animals just for the fun of killing is messed up. PPS: The second amendment quote "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." end quote. It specifically speaks of state militias. It does not allow people to randomly buy and own guns in direct contrast to what most people in the USA believe. It#s purpose is to allow the states to run their own militias, nothing more, nothing less.

[@connorward2400]

Another difference between Britain and America is it is far easier to change law in Britain. Here no law is superior to any other law so the fact gun ownership is protected in the English bill of rights (part of the very complex uk constitutional law) doesn't stop parliament bringing in new legislation to restrict it. America has the second amendment and it would take a constitutional amendment to change it which is almost impossible for anything slightly controversial. Congress is limited by the constitution so are limited in the restrictions they bring in as there is a high chance of them being declared unconstitutional.