The Chicago Bulls Nightmare Just Got Worse

The Bulls had an embarrassing loss at home to open their season but a bigger problem is below the surface. This is a look at what’s wrong with the Bulls and the drastic moves they need to make.

[@bandjolyn]

I'm not a Bulls fan, but I'm rooting for Lonzo. Seems like a good guy that just can't stay in the lineup. Plus Caruso is a monster. They were fun there for a minute.

[@ItsYaBoi888]

Haha Lonzo, what a lame 😅

[@trebledc]

Forget about him. He's done

[@jacksxncxrbett]

​@@trebledcbut did you see the way he got up out that chair... 😂 mans will take the bulls to a 3peat.

[@NeLinGytis]

Dude Cleveland will never give us Allen back for Vooch 💀

[@zachlavinesintern3343]

Literally in our dreams🤣

[@toptiercrip]

Ong 😂

[@damitzdesign]

As a Bulls fan, I would do it....

[@SincerelyTruth]

It’s crazy how bad they lost the Vucevic trade. Magic got arguably the better center (Wendell Carter) and a rising star in Franz Wagner

[@Duda-o5n]

Wendell Carter? Best center? No where near.

[@derek-182]

@@Duda-o5n better than vuc for sure, worst defensive starting center in the league analytically (worse than dwight powell!!!!) and not even elite offensively

[@_Ty6]

@@Duda-o5n Wendell is better buddy he can do everything Vuc can but better defensively but Vuc would be great alongside Mobley bc they makeup for each others weaknesses

[@erikhayes3515]

​@@Duda-o5nPreach!!

[@abscinding]

​@@Duda-o5nbuddy doesn't understand the difference between better and best lmao.

[@ChasinDimez23]

As a bulls we probably will blow it up, we miss Lonzo 😢🥺

[@Thousandeyes85]

Chin up, I feel the next derrick rose is just around the corner in the rebuild

[@persistentlypathetic6820]

​@@Thousandeyes85The next Derrick Rose is in Memphis and currently serving a 25 game suspension

[@matthewcade4249]

It was a mistake playing with the idea that he could stay healthy in the first place

[@dannyhernandez265]

This is what the bulls get for trading Rose all those years ago.

[@captainrivalry24]

@@matthewcade4249 ​​⁠thanks Captain Hindsight 🫡

[@wishfullythinking8938]

Where have you been. Nothing can fix the bulls but GOD. I’m from Chicago I gave up on them after they resigned Vuc ..

[@AC2_27]

Can we talk about Andre Drummond breaking Chet's ankles tho🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@MrPixel-qh4pr]

ONlY fiRsT gAmE

[@persistentlypathetic6820]

Bulls gotta blow it up. They should have last year. Derozan and Lavine are great players but you aren't going anywhere with them as your best players in 2023 in an Eastern Conference that got better. They need to trade the whole roster except for Maybe Ayo and Coby.

[@facecrook3454]

The editorializing is on point but these trades are hilarious 😂 who on earth would take Vuc over Jarrett Allen??

[@akeembrown7661]

Me

[@saysirregardlessonpurpose]

Yeah, Vuc has had a super solid career actually. A 20 and 10 guy most seasons.

[@FrostByte76]

he’s had a rough start to the season but he’s consistently been a top 10-15 center in the league the last 4 years his double double production is nice and sustainable. he just lacks defensively

[@devilsadvocate1975]

In regards to the 2020 draft, they got a guy in PW that averaged the same scoring and rebounding for the whole NBA season that he averaged in college. He also started 71 games for them that year and took the least amount of shots of the starters and was 1st or second in steals, blocks, turnovers and fouls. Not bad for a rookie. Halliburton came into that draft out of college with a fractured wrist and this was Coby White's first full season as the starting PG, the guy they had drafted the year before. As always, hindsight is 20/20. I mean, the Pistons took an actual PG in the draft at 7 and got Killian Hayes instead of Halliburton. That dude is averaging 8 pts and 5 assists for his career.

[@ahmadsalem4558]

Best basketball channel

[@BlueBolt]

Hell no 😂😂

[@williamcorliss3664]

Johnny arnett

[@toptiercrip]

Ong bro videos are never boring

[@AtlasAdvice254]

Whats annoying is on paper they have a great roster, but their most important player, Lonzo, can’t stay healthy. When he’s healthy, that team looks like a very competitive team and exceeds in almost every category.

[@michaeln3044]

As a Celtics fan derozan to sixers or Lakers haunts my current dreams. But Levine has gotten no better and that’s been the real problem.

[@stephendickerson7585]

Been a bulls fan since Rose MVP season and its been miserable ever since. I like all your trades, I just want to win again, loss to OKC made me pissed. Blow it up while everyones value is high

[@carlosroman8252]

As always, great job! You are comprehensive in your approach. You are able to put together the immediate events with the apparently remote ones. History explains the present situation. Great job.

[@ApoloWilliams]

His trades are 🗑

[@matthewmontes4412]

As a Heat fan I totally disagree with you on this and think HERRO is a way better player than Zach plus Herro is younger player and said he is on a revenge tour this season so he’s going to be averaging 30 ppg mark my words

[@superbiaant]

I’m a Heat fan as well but 30 for Herro is 😂 I’ll be happy if he gives us an efficient 20-25. Agreed Lavine isn’t that much better to warrant a trade. If Lavine played defense I would at least consider it.

[@matthewmontes4412]

@@superbiaant Bro Herro is going to average minimum 30 trust

[@realromo4195]

Things have been looking bad for them for the last like 15 years😂😂

[@brucelau2023]

Surely I absolutely feel bad for Chicago Bulls fans because y’all don’t deserve this and I feel like they’re going to get rid of DeMar DeRozan, Nikola, Vucevic and Lonzo Ball but it’s just so early and already people think that the Bulls are gonna have a bad season again it’s way too early

[@louvielos2103]

These trades were sht man 😭

[@aaronlicon347]

As a Cavs fan there’s no world I want Vuc on my team. Taking JA all day every day

[@ninjachannel007]

I still don't understand how any team looks at Vucevic and thinks "yeah, that's what we need." All you had to do is look at the fact his 20 and 10 basketball in Orlando never got them past 10th place. Why? Because he doesn't protect the rim, nor play tough inside, so it changes the makeup of your defense when you have a soft player at the anchor. Especially if your other two stars are one-sided players who just play defense long enough to get the ball back.

[@FastBreakFrenzy30]

Thanks for all the nba news AM

[@Pasuhdina]

“We gonna champs” lolololollol I’m hollin

[@Miles_305]

Yup, this team seems like they don't like the cut of each others jibs...maybe this is finally the year they blow it up🤞🏿

[@PuffDinoAirsoft]

Honestly as a bulls fan, we haven’t had a true talent since DRose. I won’t count jimmy cause he didn’t develop until he left. We’ve just been awful and hopeless ever since lol

[@gpcasyao2919]

As a Bulls fan, this is painful to watch.

[@squidly6092]

Maximizes Demar’s value but the main asset of the deal is Max Christie?? Even with DLo and Rui + the first, I feel like they would rather trade for a young player to build around rather than possibly whiffing in the draft again

[@lovekeego]

why is my team like this bro 😭

[@nbaunleashed4443]

I’m a bulls fan and I wasn’t that delusional 😭 😂

[@angelatanurdzic7508]

Thanks for this podcast 👍

[@thedoosman4660]

Im still nit forgiving them for getting rid of markkenen

[@nickeh8083]

AK traded Markkanen. Stupid fool.

[@StarBlast911]

Tyler Herro in your trade projections again LMAAAOOO

[@bandito241]

5:42 fire that editor. Who doesn’t double check the player’s given name. It’s spelled Vucevic. This is not the first time I noticed he misspelling words. The main job of an editor is to spellcheck

[@morphiongaming]

damn those are some god awful trades

[@markenscastelly]

If the Cavs trade Allen for Vucic it would be one of the worse trades possible for them

[@sonny4978]

FUCK NO, NO TRADE DLO. NO TRADEEEEEEEEEEE

[@Nitique05]

I'm a zany Mavs fan, I say we get everybody from the Bulls that helps us get a title this year and/or next year too.

[@Nitique05]

But I'm realist too, so I say getting Alex Caruso and Zack Lavine to help win the chip would be great. A healthy Lonzo Ball would be a steal too. Solid players on defense is what we need.

[@Markdarren911]

as a Heat fan we say no.

[@jmacflash63]

They did good on bringing in the players they got, the big mistake they made is to get this bomb coach, when you get good talent you can't get any coach, so don't put it all on the players they got now.

[@SMARTGUY22-228]

How about LaVine for Harden in a 4-team-deal with the Blazers and Clippers?

[@captainrivalry24]

The ownership have the lowest standards in professional sports. We know they aren’t serious about winning a chip and they’re stuck in quicksand until that changes

[@DJKaBz1]

I’m sorry but 2015 the bulls were a criminal call by the officials from going to the finals. But 3 officials didn’t see David Blatt calling timeout, when they had none. The technical fouls wouldve sealed the win and put the bulls up 3-1 on Cleve. A cavs team that got blown out by GS. WCJ is mids af

[@pacdaman15557]

>The Bulls new front office makes shortsighted moves! Recommends the Lakers trade most of their depth for a guy who probably wouldn't resign for a team that is barely good enough to get to the 2nd round of the playoffs

[@Joefdgtr]

When your franchise player is Lavine sadly your peak will be mid

[@meciasrivera4769]

As a Bulls fans they need to (organization) hire the people in office from the thunder and let go of all the players currently in the roster and let Cody White shine, while getting future draft picks!!!!!

[@shadhinov]

Bro get Demar and Steven adams to Dallas maverick with Luka asap so I can see my favorite players be lethal together

[@yodaDageezy]

The weight of the whole franchise was too much for Lonzo’s knee.

[@twoeyedbill1337]

Being the middlest team in the league is the worst position to be. Lavine has peaked, you cant depend on derozan, vooch is aging and cant def anything, their young players are average at best, lonzo is injury prone.

[@nickeh8083]

Give Lauri Markkanen a call. 😆

[@makkenji6053]

Honestly vuc has to go, he doesn't even attempt to play defense, and they don't need him on offense. If they just replaced him, they would be better

[@soloey8934]

these videos make my day man have been having a rough year almost every day and being able to come to a vid almost every other day or daily is amazing 🫂🫂❤❤

[@Unknown-eh8wn]

And Billy wasn’t told to “get out” 😂 it’s called a players only meeting for a reason

[@alexnguyen1284]

the players only meeting was probably about billy donovan. Vooch does not like billy donovan. Pretty sure several other players dont like his coaching as well. Im willing to bet that billy donovan is going to get fired within these next 20 games.

[@Unknown-eh8wn]

@@alexnguyen1284 that’s sneak dissing 😂 if it was abt Billy then he jus would’ve been included, the point of the meeting is to air out frustrations, if vooch didn’t like Billy he would’ve simply left this off-season. He’s not a terrible coach.

[@Unknown-eh8wn]

And he’s on a undisclosed amount of years including the extension 😂😂

[@mareklame8589]

Sorry, your two trades makes no sense. Expiring DeRozan not worth Russell and Hachimura and FRP. Allen > Vucevic and fits the Cavs timeline. Actually LaVine to Miami for Herro and Robinson and 3frp and 1 swap looks legit, but I believe CHI should add some backcourt dude.

[@amybenzaquen7417]

Lavine is going to knicks

[@meazy3817]

Like 24 yrs no chip without mike

[@mugwump6400]

no firgging way: The heat won't get anywhere with Lavine, no chance in hell that they even consider parting with both Hero and Robinson, shrink down their floor even further and trade any chips away the have left.

[@zmusicoffical]

Being a diehard bulls fan I have loved them alot they have never been a contender since Jordan, the guy bulls need to keep is Zach LaVine trade Vuc and derozan. It's been the same crap for the past years the bulls are play in with Billy at most. Without Billy no play in.

[@davyunwashington3613]

Cant really see the with demar on the lakers or any contending team really cuz he don’t defend or space the floor same u if I’m the Cavs I rather trade d Mitch to recoup some of assets I loss then to trade JA I think sending Vooch to Memphis make more sense for Adams and picks and I could see Zach go to a team look the pacers or the magic lowkey

[@aliciasplaytime6905]

Bulls should trade lavine, derozan and cut ball, blow it all up

[@jimdino77]

What a horrible Laker trade suggestion

[@manonood3185]

6:13 damn the disrespect. A rookie and a pick for DeMar?

[@Richxwolf]

Bulls had a big 4 to this disaster

[@PirateD.KingLuffy]

Lavine just dropped 51 man needs help😭

[@asurajeff6316]

lavine is like another Jason Tatum with a shyt team

[@ralphnorth3432]

lakers wouuld be crazy going for this trade lmao

[@majinbobbyhill828]

This is f'ing sad... in a few minutes you made organization changing moves that will never get done because the FO doesnt give a damn or is inept... wtf do they do for 40+ hours a week!?!?!?

[@ollytropics1735]

You cant have derozan on the lakers unlesshes the bench guy

[@karkitliu9951]

No way lakers giving up FRP for Demar along with Dlo and Rui (no one cares about Max). Not worth.

[@judah-je1jm]

Cavs better not make that trade

[@dustyclery8791]

Lonzo " Charmin Ultra Soft no" Ball

[@rohitshivadas8774]

Chicago Bulls turn into Chelsea NBA Team

[@dobz746]

Lol 😆 Lavine for Herro & Duncan?? NO haha. You are really devaluing Herro at 23yo smh

[@Y7D]

🤣

[@RedHoodFH]

P Will is a bust. Now its just up to the bulls to admit they got it wrong

[@rayne-games376]

And then Coby White became him

[@denverbasshead]

Well the sixers are about to rebuild next year.

[@jerryschwartz847]

WHY would you give up that much for LaVine?..... Herro is as good LaVine himself.

[@frankenviews4069]

The Ball - Caruso backcourt was perimeter defense GOLD. When paired with the offensive talents of DeRozen and LaVine, it's a good plan. Too bad you really can't do anything when injuries hit.

[@JeffersonSteelflexx]

They would have been a good, consistent playoff team but they aren’t going anywhere with Demar and Lavine as their best players

[@matthewmontes4412]

As a Heat fan I totally disagree with you on this and think HERRO is a way better player than Zach plus Herro is younger player and said he is on a revenge tour this season so he’s going to be averaging 30 ppg mark my words

[@mattynagle5709]

Lonzo was the key, an insanely underrated player. Shame he couldn't stay healthy because they were very good and everyone had bought in

[@ANDRE1mang]

I swear !! I hate that the Bull’s point guard injury curse continues….

[@LeftyWick]

It was the shoes. Ball said that he had to change his shoes every quarter because they were falling apart. This is the same issue D Rose had, Kobe Bryant said that Rose shoes had no support. Same with Ball, it so sad he is a great player. Hope he can make a come back.

[@Risktaker8300]

Lavar was right

[@EddiePReacts]

​@@LeftyWickI actually owned rose shoes and got my first knee injury lol. They were horrible and he's my fav player ever

[@Kyle22oifer]

agreed! Jeremiah 29:11 - For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. God bless! Jesus is the way and saves! Psalms 62✝🤍💪

[@reptileking6767]

This is such a scathing video I feel so bad for bulls fans 😭

[@Pxseidxnn]

Seeing this after zach lavine drops 51 and still lost is wild

[@mykael76]

As a Lakers Fan that trade proposal is a HARD no, that Demar trade gives me PTSD of Westbrook. Rui, Christie and 2029 1st is too steep and we must look after our future as well.

[@danielwhoI]

As a lakers fan, It's a hard no for me for another reason. I don't want to max out Demar for 4 more years. We need a scoring center badly. AD getting pummeled at the 5.

[@hittkid6312]

@@danielwhoI More like Lakers need a strong defensive center that can tank the big boys (Joker, Embiid, and Giannis) while AD plays as the backline roamer ready to go up for the block or rebound.

[@Drila11]

All those trades were a hard no

[@euro51116]

As a bull fan but also a Lebron fan (lol) you guys need a vuc, a scoring center

[@Anthonydu01630]

@@hittkid6312Lol Giannis is smaller than AD do you realize that ? Giannis can’t guard Jokic too, just watch their last game in Europe Greece vs Serbia Giannis can’t guard him in the post he is not strong and lenghty enough, the only guys in the league able to slow down the Joker are Embiid or Gobert because they are bigger than him, and maybe Wembanyama with his lenght or in 3-4 years when he’ll be 20pounds heavier and stronger… Jokic is probably the best offensive player ever, at least in the half court he is, the guy is straight up unguardable

[@jasonmalikclayborne4405]

Who tf is giving up 4 first and 2 scorers for Zach …

[@user-kj6be8sf3v]

I think you and i are too early on here, i see no comments about this egregious proposal!

[@toptiercrip]

Ong lmfao lavine overrated

[@user-bt1gb2wp2v]

@@toptiercripno one rates LaVine at all outside of Chicago so how can he possibly be overrated 😂

[@thevoicelesswriter]

@@user-kj6be8sf3v All of those trade ideas are horrible.

[@alexnguyen1284]

pat riley aint giving up no 4 1st round picks for an injury prone zach lavine. Pat riley wouldnt even give up 4 first round picks for dame, why would u think that stingy old geezer will give up that many picks for zach. At most he would give is probably just 1 2nd round pick lol.

[@uptodatenba]

im sorry, but there is NO WAY that the lakers would do that deal 🤣rui and d'low are already to valuable to trade away, same with max christie. and its not like demar fills a gap, they dont really have a gap in talent on their team, and if the problem is that they are losing bc lebron isnt playing much, they will dimply bump up his playing time - easier fix than trading 3 valuable assets

[@byrannuzzi]

D’Lo valuable ? 🤣

[@toptiercrip]

Only rui being in the trade ion like trade dlo he trash

[@ry_an.]

bulls need MJ to come out of retirement asap

[@zmusicoffical]

Lol

[@alexnguyen1284]

well u def dont want mj running your organization. Look at what he did to the hornets.

[@Monkey_D_Luffy56]

Raptors traded DeRozan for a player that has a similar play style but can actually defend then won a title in the same season

[@zaidkidwai7831]

Things have been looking bad for them for the last like 15 years 😂

[@Teeki46]

Slow asl

[@MarvinsVlog]

15 years ago they drafted an MVP calm down lol

[@BallhogHoops]

@@Teeki46common bulls fan lmaooo since D-Rose got injured y’all have sucked

[@Millstreet12]

It’s been looking bad since Roses downfall

[@izzynextdoor1]

Facts bro. Facts 😔 tough being a Bulls fan

[@23TDJ]

As a Bulls fans, the FO isn't blowing it up sadly. Also, that Lavine trade would be an absolute fleece job on our part. The Heat allegedly didn't offer all that for Dame, but they will for Lavine? As much as I loved watching the Deballzach, it's way way past time to blow this thing up for a fresh and true rebuild.

[@chrispfeiffer6905]

Deballzach was so good. Smh

[@starbéreux]

Deballzack?😂

[@DaleRojoDecaf]

Lavine is at a better bargain than Dame. Also, the Miami Heat could have checked the couch cushions, but still couldn't come up with much more for Dame. They are strapped on picks and loaded with overpaid players.

[@valp3466]

Thing is, Ball did make a lot of difference not only for his playmaking but especially brcause of his court vision on offense and especially on defence, his ability to switch and guard almost any position. DeRozan and Lavine are good players who are great only when they function in a system. Vuc is extremely overrated.

[@danielplainview2360]

The Bulls are run by bean counters. That's a known fact. Once that attendance started to drop off, they began making some moves. What I mean by "moves", is that they improve the team just enough so they can start gaining attention again. They double down on marketing, sell this improved squad as some championship contender to a fan base that is stuck in the 90s. Rinse. Lather. Repeat. They've been doing this since MJ left.

[@TjSamson]

Outside of 2011 (2012 was wasted), I feel like the Bulls are such a mystery on how the front office can't properly function as one to create a true contending team. This team has also been facing injuries that shaped the Bulls why they're suffering it right now.

[@FazeParticles]

because most of the fans are addicted to a bad product like a drug addict. i thought adults were more responsible than this. i get it if teenagers are supporting this nonsense but adults need to do better than enable the bulls FO to continue down this path.

[@OwnedByUno]

Any trade that includes Hachimura in it is not gonna work. He is a perfect fit for the Lakers

[@liferealgood]

I think they will make the play-in. However, I think they are fighting an uphill losing battle. It's probably best they blow it up.

[@jpao1834]

If I'm a Sixers fan, the concern over Embiid's patience is legit. With all the dramas he's been dealing with over the past few years, it's not weird to think that his patience is thinner than before All boils down on how that Harden trade will evolve

[@SDesWriter]

You do have to wonder if Embiid is thinking about Charles Barkley and wasting an entire All-Star career in Philadelphia, then coming away with nothing for it in the end.

[@robkelly8940]

So things look bleak for the Bulls. I’m trying not to lose faith in the front office as I loved their moves. Whatever happens, I hope they make the right decisions after this season is over.

[@Andrew-ms8md]

How can you like their moves?

[@robkelly8940]

@@Andrew-ms8md did you not pay attention to when they had Lonzo healthy? Think about how much better they could be if they had someone on the team with a $20M salary. That has handcuffed them severely, even more so without the skill sets that Lonzo offers. So yeah, I loved all their initial moves. I just hope they can do the same once a direction is clear with this team as it is now

[@MixMasterMaj]

Bro, why are you "trying not to lose faith" in Bulls management ... They're absolute bums. They're not serious about building a championship contender. DON'T GIVE THEM YOUR MONEY!

[@robkelly8940]

@@MixMasterMaj I don’t give anyone my money. I am just a fan that tries to watch from southern Illinois. And I still have faith in this front office, even if you don’t. BULLS WIN!

[@Andrew-ms8md]

@@robkelly8940 but they moved Lauri for essentially nothing, Carter and a first that turned into Franz for an at the time 30 year old Vuch, and traded assets for an at the time 32 year old DeRozan. Neither of which is on Levine's timeline. If they had done absolutely nothing the Bulls would have prime Levine, entering prime Lauri and Carter. And IF the picks went like Casey mentioned, the starting five could have been Haliburton, Levine, Franz, Lauri, Wendell. All 28 and under

[@_Ty6]

All great trades except the Lavine one heat not giving that much away

[@Miles_305]

Yup, esp. w/ Lavine's injury history...that price is too steep. Derozen would probably love to go to LA though (not an LA fan I just know he's from Cali).

[@timmytheinventor4746]

I don't think the Heat really care all that much about a Herro replacement.

[@_Ty6]

@@timmytheinventor4746 as they shouldn’t if anything they should be trying to replace Jimmy who is 34 years old and can’t shoot

[@timmytheinventor4746]

@@_Ty6 Jimmy is still a top 25 player in the game though. LaVine is not better than him.

[@ANDRE1mang]

Man it’s tough being a Bulls fan. You just don’t know which direction they wanna go. DeMar, Lonzo, Lavine and Vooch experiment was looking okay back in Jan 2022, but then again injuries and chemistry issues arose again…. If rebuild is the way to go by summer then just do it asap. I have a small hope tho that this video does not age well if the Bulls can somehow turn it around by All Star break.

[@sarc4sm68]

This what happens when you have no patience developing with your players, I'm still looking forward to guys like Bagley and Wiseman to improve lol

[@azimuthkun69]

As a Bulls fan, those are actually pretty good trade ideas. But I feel like FO won't be doing trades anytime soon. Maybe at least before trade deadline. I see them making moves in the off-season

[@Joefdgtr]

Do u think the FO will trade out of Demar before the deadline for value ?

[@azimuthkun69]

@@Joefdgtr maybe. But I think it's more probable to see him get traded after a playoff loss or specially if they miss getting on the playoffs

[@saltysolution4127]

Nah that heat trade is cheeks, I'd rather we trade with the Knicks. Heat are known for drafting gems and will always sneak into the playoffs with hustle alone, also we don't want Herro or Robinson. Jovic and Jaime are more enticing

[@azimuthkun69]

@@saltysolution4127 tbf, Jaime and Jovic are really good prospects and they'd fit better with the Current bulls if we are to make a rebuild. But in terms of who has better trade value, I think Herro is better. If anything, I'd rather want Bam tho. The Knicks giving us Barret sounds nice too. Better give us a bunch of picks tho

[@thevoicelesswriter]

There's no way that trade idea with the Lakers will happen. We just got rid of an aging star that cost us KCP, Kuzma, and a bunch of picks. We don't want to deal with that again.

[@denzy1269]

Dude said Vucevic for Jarett Allen that is insane LOL. Cavs is not accepting that no matter what convincing you do

[@jtfc7286]

Thing is though the bulls have done what we always ask teams to do - try and go all in, even if it doesn’t pay off. So many teams just wait and wait and it never happens… they just tread water for years. At least the bulls pulled the trigger. If Lonzo was healthy it could have looked very different, and nobody can predict that.

[@Lgtheog]

Well said, Jerry Reinsdorf is the consistent problem and why they won't do anything until he is gone. Look at the White Sox. They have the same exact problems as the Bulls.

[@alexnguyen1284]

miami isnt giving up 4 1st round picks for an injury prone zach lavine. They werent even willing to give that many picks for dame, what makes u think pat riley will give 4 first round picks? As for the cavs, they are not going to trade jared allen for vooch. Vooch is old. If the cavs wanted a big man that can score they would've kept lauri markannen who at the time average about 15 ppg when he was on the cavs roster as a backup player. Vooch is too old for the cavs. Lakers wont send 3 players just to get 1 old dude in demar derozan, that would completely gut their bench which is bad as it already. Also, lakers are def not going to give up that 2029 first round pick that easily for just derozan. All 3 of your trade proposals are not happening.