Amiga 2000 Large HardDisk Partition w/ BuddhaIDE

[@PaulinesPastimes]

I have never seen the GUI from one of these systems and it is very nice. Always fun to discover new things. Cheers.

[@JanBeta]

Yes, Amiga Workbench is pretty amazing even from today's perspective. :)

[@mac_thor]

Hello Jan! You can't boot 3.1 with a 3.1.4 ROM because the workbench.library and icon.library are missing in the 3.1.4 ROM. Version 3.1 expects this libraries to be in the boot ROM. Regards, Thomas

[@JanBeta]

Wasn't aware of that when I got the 3.1.4 ROM. There's a workaround for it (making a 1MB KickROM) that I'm going to look into. Otherwise it's going to be incompatible with many older disks.

[@peterpain6625]

Good to know. My attempts of resurrecting an old 2000 (after fixing water damage) went exactly nowhere because of that. And i thought i did s-th wrong :/

[@mac_thor]

@@JanBeta But it should be possible to extract the libraries from the 3.1 ROM and put them on the 3.1 Workbench drive. Or maybe try to copy the two libraries from 3.1.4. For me I have decided to stick with 3.1.4 and not use any software that does not work with that rom version. The old 3.1 makes problems in so many cases, like cf-card compatibility, big disks, IDE to Sata adapters do not work correctly and many more. All that is fixed with 3.1.4.

[@huhummmmmmm]

@@mac_thor +1

[@AmigaWolf]

Can you just copy the workbench.library and icon.library Libs folder on the floppy's that boot in a workbench and so, so that you do not have that problem, i have also updated the ROM of my Amiga 500+ to 3.1.4 ROM?

[@backtogeek]

Well that was a simple enough fix! that PCBway assembly deal sounds awesome, will check it out.

[@nux3960]

It's great u got a 120Gb hard drive working on the Amiga 2000!

[@stefanocrespi5424]

Spoiler! Didn't Jan broke it?!?

[@anakondase]

I have a 200GB in my A4000 with the original PATA. Works just fine.

[@Joseph-Cav]

Does anyone know about the year 2016 problem on the amiga, and is there a fix for it?

[@GadgetUK164]

Great work Jan! Love to see you working on the Amigas! Might get a Buddha IDE interface at some point! Been playing around with various RAM cards and accelerators, it seems that the Zorro stuff can be hit and miss regards compatibility. The extra RAM you have in there - what board are you using for that?

[@Nukle0n]

He showed it more in the last video, it's a Memory Master 1.1, although it appears to be a modern reproduction.

[@GadgetUK164]

@@Nukle0n I think I watched that video - probably just forgot already! My mind is all over the place atm!

[@JanBeta]

Yes, Memory Master 1.1, shown it a bit more up close in the last Amiga video. I ordered some more RAM ICs for it as well, to get to the full 8MB (I miscounted how many I needed last time and only got it to 6MB, d'oh!). Also just watching your new A2000 video while answering comments. (I probably should pay more attention to the video though... ;))

[@Joseph-Cav]

@@JanBeta they are zips though correct? I had a Microbotics starboard that used zips. They looked familiar

[@azzajohnson2123]

All the channels I watch are sponsored by PCB way now! Awesome work guys keep people like Jan doing what they love so we can all learn from it and enjoy the journey too!

[@benbaselet2026]

Except the ones by JLCPCB, long live the PCB wars!

[@JanBeta]

Haha, these years are going to be remembered as the PCB wars era for sure. ;)

[@JanBeta]

Yes, they are very generous and do a lot of sponsorships even for us smaller channels and tinkerers. (Plus, I'd recommend them even if they didn't pay me for it.)

[@rogerfinley8800]

I started with the commodore 64 in the early 80's and then upgraded to an Amiga 500. Got rid of all of it in the late 90's. I loved the commodore stuff and never understood while they weren't more popular. The 64 and ami500 was my youth. Lately, I have been watching this channel and adrian black's and decided to try and get the one machine I always wanted. The Amiga 2000. I just checked ebay and all I can say is WOW. I guess I waited too long. I should have picked up a c64 and Amiga a few years ago when they were sanely priced. It took 30 years but the Amiga is finally popular :-) and I wont/cant pay that much money for one. Looks like I am just another old c64/amiga user who will have to make do with a Raspberry Pi. love your vids, jan.

[@BocaRetroGames]

The bad part of watching your videos is that It makes me more and more want to get a Amiga myself ...

[@JanBeta]

Haha, sorry. Definitely get an Amiga, really wonderful machines. :)

[@benbaselet2026]

I remember when my friend had a 1 GB drive on his A1200. Who could ever even fill such a vast volume!

[@budandbean1]

I love this comment! I remember my first i386 computer (upgrade from my 8088 computer around 1986 or 1987) and the "massive" 120mb hard drive UPGRADE that I got when I bought it. 80MB was standard. I swear at the time I thought that that 120mb drive would last forever... That was even running original windows too. Now we download that fast. :-) Hey, thanks for making me smile today! Buddy

[@Thomaniac]

So much space now. That's really cool! Also thinking about a SCSI2SD solution for my Amiga 2000. Great video again :-)

[@JanBeta]

Thank you! Really glad it worked out. I'll have to fiddle with the settings a bit to make it perfect though. SCSI2SD is great from what I've heard. :)

[@MassimilianoManiscalco]

I love to watch videos about the glorious Amiga, thank you! Please make a video about PCMCIA adapter for Amiga 1200!

[@JanBeta]

Will do!

[@SledgeFox]

Always an adventure, thank you very much! 👍

[@JanBeta]

Oh, glad you joined me on the adventure. Thank you. :)

[@MindFlareRetro]

Woo-hoo! Well done! I'm clearly not up to date with my Amiga modding, sadly. I would love to get a CF card going in my original A1200 -- I'll add this to projects list. Another great series.

[@JanBeta]

Thanks Mark! CF card in the A1200 is quite easy to achieve with just an IDE/CF adapter. :)

[@MindFlareRetro]

@@JanBeta Yeah, I have had my A1200 torn apart for a while in order to do a recap, but I am slow to getting around to it. I also have a known-compatible Transcend brand 8GB CF card and a plain IDE-to-CF adapter ready to go.

[@NEOGEOJunkie]

its worth updating the firmware of the card from the icomp website, helps with larger hard drives :) doh, just seen you did that! lol if you want to make the empty hard drive icon match the workbench one do this: copy dh0: disk.info dh1: disk.info then reboot.

[@JanBeta]

Haha, yes, albeit I only updated when I wanted to get the CF card working (which didn't work at all previously). I'll definitely do some more cosmetics at some point. Glad I got the large partition working at all now. :)

[@ChrisEdwardsRestoration]

PCBway is awesome. (if they want to sponsor me too i will gladly show it!) the only problem with that is the large block size will make it so any small amiga file will use the max block size, even if its 4k it uses 32.. . but with all that space, f it

[@JanBeta]

Yes, I'm definitely going to fiddle with block sizes and partitions a bit more. This was kind of a proof of concept and I'm glad that such a large partition works at all in the good old Amiga. ;)

[@jensmaa]

I love me some Jan Beta for lunch

[@doktor6495]

Wow, much work to do! But I'm looking forward to the result - the perfect AMIGA GAME MACHINE! :-) Greetings, Doc64!

[@benbaselet2026]

Nice tip on the pcmcia-cf adapter. Why have I not done that earlier...

[@JanBeta]

Works a treat, you just need a driver for it and it reads FAT formatted CF cards no problem which makes it massively useful. :)

[@peterpain6625]

@@JanBeta Good way of getting some data to it also. Kinda bummed there is no pci-e arcnet cards around ;) BNC ftw :D

[@MauroSanna]

The Workbench library and the icon library no longer reside on the Kickstart ROMs, that's why it didn't work. In fact Workbench 3.1.4 copies them on the HDD/Flash during the installation process. That doesn't happen with 3.1, which takes for granted those libraries are in ROM. A quick solution would be copying your 3.1.4 installation from the HDD to the Compact Flash, and there you have it! ;-)

[@JanBeta]

That'll make a lot of older disks incompatible. I wasn't aware of that when I got the 3.1.4 ROM. :/ There are workarounds I think, I'm going to look into that. More Amiga fiddling ahead! :)

[@MauroSanna]

@@JanBeta I have got through any incompatibility so far. Also 3.1.4 can handle everything from the older to the newest stuff. If you really want to stick to older Amiga OSs, then just copy those two libraries (from aminet) over to the Hard Drive and add a couple of assign to the startup-sequence.

[@jayminer]

Love your shirt! RIP Daniel :(

[@BocaRetroGames]

I'm gonna rewatch it ! Yes ! Now it's weekend

[@DomedagsPoeten]

Nice! I really hope to get my hands on an A2000 one day

[@JanBeta]

It's waaaay too much fun to try different expansions already. Lots more to come. ;)

[@erinwiebe7026]

Jan, are you using a new upscaler? I'm looking for one for my A500 and your display looks nice and sharp!

[@exaturbo]

Looks like an OSSC he is using.

[@JanBeta]

Yes, I recently got an OSSC. Can very much recommend it!

[@tekk9995]

Thanks Jan! Keep it coming :)

[@JanBeta]

Thank you! :)

[@peterpain6625]

Did you try that "Mengs 2,5/3,5" SATA -> IDE Adapter" on Amazon and a cheap SSD? Should work even better ;)

[@JanBeta]

I was considering that but I kind of like the hard disk whirring sound while the Amiga is running. That's why I didn't go with the CF card alone, too. ;)

[@jerkerivarsson938]

Hey Jan! thanks for a nice video as usual! I just bought a Buddha and a cf adapter similar to yours or if not the exact same. I do have a question. Did you leave the jumper OPEN on the Buddha for the IDE connector that goes to the CF card adapter ?

[@JanBeta]

Yes, you practically only close it for the DOM module that the Buddha comes with (because that needs power over the IDE pins).

[@MrErikthebean]

I'm just pumped i made the ending credits, you think at some point its possible to have a video to go over some of the differences between the Amiga models?

[@JanBeta]

Oh, that is a good idea. I'll add it to the list of videos to do (it's pretty long already so no idea when I'm going to get to it though). :)

[@milk-it]

Gut gemacht!

[@TheOriginalJoeBloggs]

You still got the 2000??

[@SaintKaede]

Man that was a lot to get it going and there is still an issue with workbenches, there must be a lack of some in one of them that causes it not to work, sadly my Amiga knowledge above 1.3 is limited but that sounds right somehow after all I hear about newer versions. The Jan Beta Way is best way!

[@JanBeta]

Some commenters pointed out that Hyperion left out icon.library and workbench.library from the new Kickstart ROM (to have more room for other fixes) so it needs them on disk to boot the GUI. Which is kind of unfortunate, because some older Workbench disks are not going to work without copying these files to them. :/

[@mikegravgaard340]

Hi Jan, Amiga Retro has made a custom kickstart 3.1.4 kickstart ROM for his Amiga 2000 to get around the issue with workbench and icon libraries. Might be a good idea for a video? Michael

[@mikegravgaard340]

Part 1 shows the wire mod to address 1MB ROM (kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKa3nYiwpsiYgLc) and part 3 he documents making the ROM with Remus and ROM Split (kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpyrYp6Nj76Gbc0)

[@JanBeta]

Yes, heard about that and I'm going to try it sometime for sure! :)

[@FCastle23]

The 2000 was amazing in its day and blew away every IBM compatible.

[@JanBeta]

Definitely an amazing machine. I'm going to do more expansion in the future on this one for sure. :)

[@DarkpawTheWolf]

How are you getting the video output onto that monitor without a scan doubler in the video slot?

[@JanBeta]

I use an OSSC upscaler for converting the regular RGB signal to HDMI.

[@XXXXXX-dy5fs]

Why do you need power for the CF adapter? Won't it work without external power? I ask because I have a 2.5in CF adapter plugged into a Terrible Fire accelerator and theres no additional power connector.

[@XXXXXX-dy5fs]

Do you really need a power connector on the CF adapter? I have a CF card adapter on a 2.5in cable from the terrible fire and theres no external power connector. I bought a rear panel 3.5in IDE to CF adapter to use with a Buddha IDE card. The CF adapter has a floppy disk type of power connector. I don't think this needs external power does it? Surely its powered from the IDE ribbon cable as the 2.5in adapter is?

[@104d_3rr0r_vince]

I have 3.1 and 3.9. For the first I use IDE and a patched scsi device which gives me access to big hdds. On the second ide & scsi.

[@firstsurname9893]

Two things I'm confused about is where the Buddha installer is booting from, is there a flash disk/DOM attached to the board? Also what is the BE IDE device shown in X-Copy, is it just a trackdisk replacement or something else? Edit: whoops, the first question was answered in the video.

[@JanBeta]

Oh, I didn't see the BE IDE device in X-Copy... I guess it's a device driver for the BuddhaIDE, similar to the SCSI.device you need for SCSI cards.

[@hollgo626]

Jetzt musst du nur noch den Amiga zu PC Datentransfer und umgekehrt herstellen, indem du fat95 zum laufen bekommst. Habe ich mit 3.1.4.1 leider noch nicht geschafft. Crossdos ist zwar nett und von Haus aus in 3.1.4 dabei, klappt leider nur mit Disketten...

[@teslajack]

Another solution: just set the disk up with OS 1.3. In 512 bytes per block. Calculate with the help of all your software how great every partition must be. Under OS 1.3 you must set all the data into a mountlist. But watch out. For the Workbench the kickstart ROM reserve for every 500 MB 75 kilobyte of ChipRam. The other partitions as Work or extern diskdrives going into fastram. In the mountlist you can set also the wanted buffers. Every buffer on the Amiga has 512 bytes standard. Working with SSD or CF is also possible under OS 1.3 but then must all the data under 488 bytes per block. OFS format. ( Is equal to ISO format. ) Then update OS 1.3 to your most wanted OS. ( I'am sorry for my bad English )

[@teslajack]

It is not easy, but in my situation i use a very old setuptool for to build up massive partitions. It is the HDToolbox of the A590 HD (1989) setup. And the 1.3 Format command is much much better then the one from kick and OS 2 and 3 and up. With the format from 1.3 even big partitions on memorycards and SSD's can be formatted in lowlevel format, if there's enough ChipRAM is available. So on the Amiga 2000 you need at least 1 MB of ChipRAM for to do this.

[@zygi12653]

Hello Jan.I have amige 2000 in rev.4.1 and I bought a scsi gvp 2000hc card with disk. Will this compilation work according to you, do I need to improve something in rev.4.1? do i need rev.6.x for scsi?Will the rev. on the higher one is necessary for scsi?

[@JanBeta]

The card should work fine on all A2000 generations, no worries. The changes in the mainboard revs are mostly memory mapping and graphics chipset related. The Zorro expansion bus remained the same as far as I know.

[@zygi12653]

And for me on rev 4.1 the scsi card does not want to cooperate and the Amiga does not get up. Can there be capacitors on the motherboard?

[@jeffreyplum5259]

You may split your large partition into two or more pieces then format them. This is an old MSDOS trick.

[@ChapmanWorldOnTube]

Can anyone tell me if an IDE controller like this, connected to an IDE->Sata converter might work to install a Sata SSD?

[@JanBeta]

I read somewhere that it works without any problems. Probably in an Amiga forum but I can't find it now. Sorry.

[@ChapmanWorldOnTube]

@@JanBeta Thanks, I guess I can give it a try and find out for sure :-)

[@FrankColonier64]

Don´t forget to set the Max-Transfer Rate in 0X1FE00. It is better to reduce mistakes by unpacking files. Gruss aus Gladbeck,Frank.

[@ianide2480]

Had to watch this, the title has my last name in it..

[@JanBeta]

Haha, best reason to watch. Hope you liked it. ;)

[@10MARC]

A bit better way to do it would be to make smaller partitions, maybe three 35 Gig partitions, and use a better cluster size of 4096 or maybe 8192. The 32k clusters mean every tiny file takes 32k on the drive, which will make a huge difference if you put things like WHDLOAD files on this drive, which has a lot of small files. It will end up wasting a lot of space.

[@JanBeta]

Yes, you are right. I'll probably end up fiddling with settings and partition sizes a bit in the future for making this a usable system. Still a lot of upgrades waiting to be applied to this machine until then. This was kind of a proof of concept. Glad I got the large drive working at all. ;)

[@evanparton734]

Yes please Jan ...I have 2x600 and a 1200 but have never tried transfering by pcmcia/CF ...so a novice guide with all steps needed would be much appreciated.All to often Amiga users say this is how it's done and assume if you have used Amigas you automatically know the basics..sadly I am a novice in this regard.rgds Evan

[@JanBeta]

Okay, I'm going to do a video about the PCMCIA thing soon. :)

[@Vipersan1000]

@Mr T. Guru Indeed there are buddy ...but I particularly like the way Jan explains things (warts 'n all) so I certainly would watch his rendition of the process. rgds

[@debillus]

Only disadvantage: A one byte fille now takes up 32 Kb of disk space, but with 110 Gb you should probably be good =)

[@JanBeta]

Yes, it's a bit wasteful. I'll have to try if one of the lower settings works, too. I'm still glad I got it working at all. ;)

[@BrainSlugs83]

You shouldn't stop just because it worked. You should use the smallest sector size that works. Because it means each file, no matter how small is going to take up that many bytes on the disk. You basically set it up so that 32k is the smallest amount it can access. If you have a 33k file? Guess what, it's using 64k of the disk. It's not just about wasting space either, it means it has to spend time loading those chunks 512 bytes at a time into memory.

[@jensschroder8214]

You shoud not use FFS for large Disk, this can NOT handel large disk rigth. Usa PFS3 instad. PFS3 is on the Buddah Tools Disk. You change the Filesystem in HDTools. The Worbench shoud be FFS and

[@JanBeta]

As far as I know they updated the FFS for 3.1.4 to make it compatible with large disks? So far I didn't have any issues but more testing is required obviously. Thanks for pointing this out.

[@anakondase]

You really need to install kingcon so you can tab the dirs and files. :)

[@firstsurname9893]

Strongly agree, once you try KingCON and/or ZShell you'll never go back to the stock shell.

[@KolliRail]

Not very clever to partition the drive with 32K block size. That way you loose a lot of space when saving files with less then 32K, e.g. a config file with 1K, that will use up 32K of hard disk space. Better make more partitions with smaller block size.

[@JanBeta]

I'll try to use a smaller cluster size and fiddle with partition sizes soon. This was more of a proof of concept. Still glad that it worked at all.

[@forevercomputing]

Never quick format a new hard disk.