Amiga 500 Power Supply Repair Attempt

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Jan Beta

Jan Beta

Күн бұрын

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@imqqmi
@imqqmi Жыл бұрын
I'd measure the voltage with the rev3 amiga on the power supply side, if that dips under the 4.8V then there's your problem, you could probably change the 180 ohm resistors to increase the voltage a bit and see if it powers on. Also check exactly what the current draw is on the 5V line if you have a clamp amp meter. If it's way off something in the Amiga might draw a lot of current, maybe a chip that's marginal. An infra red camera should show you which chips are getting excessively hot.
@WizardNumberNext
@WizardNumberNext Жыл бұрын
IR camera is expensive, while isopropyl alcohol is very cheap and would show that as well
@imqqmi
@imqqmi Жыл бұрын
@@WizardNumberNext yeah or a temperature probe, point is you could check what gets hot. A cheap android ir camera can be had for under 200 euros with 120x90 resolution. Well worth it if you do repairs regularly.
@WizardNumberNext
@WizardNumberNext Жыл бұрын
@@imqqmi check out Louis Rossmann He definitely can afford such camera, but prefers isopropyl instead You just pour enough to make a layer. One place would get dry first Anyway I suspect Amiga itself same as you, but more mondaying, as it works on different power supply. It is probably capacitors Probably adding ceramic capacitor close to CPU would solve it.
@sjarken3979
@sjarken3979 Жыл бұрын
I suspect the same, something is drawing too much power, which is why the new amiga power supply works in rev.3 amiga and the old power supply works on the newer amiga.
@mad_circuits
@mad_circuits Жыл бұрын
Hey Jan, thanks for the video! Liked it! You should have a look at the connectors of the PSUs to the Amiga. Maybe the pins are not touching the electrodes of the port correctly. 😮
@IanSlothieRolfe
@IanSlothieRolfe Жыл бұрын
I'd vote for this.. The LED wouldn''t care if the voltage was low or ripply. You didn't test for voltages on the Rev 3 which would be my suggestion. Maybe the pins on the later power supply connectors are slightly longer and touch parts of the power connector in the Rev 3 that the "proper" one has worn away with use. Its pretty much the only component in common.
@jwvdvuurst
@jwvdvuurst Жыл бұрын
Exactly what I thought.
@RetroKrazy
@RetroKrazy Жыл бұрын
Ditto. If you have even one pin in the socket slightly recessed, then there'd be no contact. If the other PSUs have slightly longer pins, they'd make contact like you see. Also, try checking the ripple current on the PSU that is powering it on as think that is a red herring.
@amigacoverdisk
@amigacoverdisk Жыл бұрын
Yep, I too was thinking this, some unlucky combination of slightly out of tolerance/worn plug with a slightly out of tolerance/worn socket.
@grantfryer1
@grantfryer1 Жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same.
@Shmbler
@Shmbler Жыл бұрын
I believe Rev 6 has only 4 CMOS DRAM chips while the Rev 3 has 16 NMOS ones. The difference in static power consumption between NMOS and CMOS can be very significant. Also applies to the 512k expansion. Some come with 16 NMOS, some with 4 CMOS. You can literally feel the difference in heat. I would have monitored ripple and power on behavior with the Rev 3 Amiga. You can also try to first power on the PSU without the Amiga attached and then plug it in. I bet it works that way. No pain, no gain!
@andreas_71
@andreas_71 Жыл бұрын
Hi Jan, What you call a rectifier is actually a thyristor. This is part of a protection circuit (crawbar). If the output voltage gets too high, this thyristor will conduct and short out the 5V. In the best-case scenario, the fuse will blow, but the hardware will be protected from the surge (but has nothing to do with your problem).
@borayurt66
@borayurt66 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, came in to write the same. There are no 3 pin rectifier packets, also the schematics clearly shows what it is.
@SeanBZA
@SeanBZA Жыл бұрын
Will not blow fuses unless the transistor Q1 is shorted, but will pull down the 5V rail and turn on the current limiting in the SG3524 to change the PWM to the minimum the chip can go to, limiting current to a few hundred milliamps, depending on the actual chip as to exact value. D7 and D8 should be replaced though, preferably to a Shottky rectifier, 5A 30V will do here, not a slow as molasses 1N5401, though you can use UF 5401 diodes there, as they are fast switching types. Incidentally D10 is typically a 6V2 or 6V8 400mW zener diode, typical for 5V crowbars.
@milk-it
@milk-it Жыл бұрын
I'm rebuilding an Amiga 4000 power supply and came across a blog exclaiming if new capacitors with a low ESR are used, then the power supply may fail. Not sure of this comment is of value, but I'm throwing it in here anyway. Viel Glück und danke fürs Video.
@micflynn1
@micflynn1 Жыл бұрын
Jan, you need to try putting a amp meter in line with the 5 volts and see what a working amiga pulls then try it with the non working amiga and see if it pulls more current than normal.
@mark12358
@mark12358 Жыл бұрын
Congratulations for 50k. Well deserved, and more to come in the future! Can't help here, so I'm looking forward to the next video. Hallo! M
@analognexus
@analognexus Жыл бұрын
Problem should be the power connector on the Rev3 board itself (use some contact cleaner or change connector) and/or the power plug pins from your power supply (clean with fine sandpaper). Because of bad connection ripple might be higher and causing problems maybe.
@smunaut
@smunaut Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I would measure the voltage on the rev3 amiga rails directly and also look at the power up behavior. Could be a slew issue getting it into a bad state.
@ralfr.5974
@ralfr.5974 Жыл бұрын
I had the same Problem with my Rev3 Board. And the Problem was the 1 Ohm Resistor EMI406 on the A500 Rev3 Board. Maybe it's the same Problem?
@ctchich4469
@ctchich4469 Жыл бұрын
Enjoyed this vid as much as the others, some you win and some you lose. Took me much trial and error to fix an Amiga 1000 power supply so I feel your pain
@MrGeekGamer
@MrGeekGamer Жыл бұрын
I just got an Amiga 500, built in West Germany. Going to be going through your A500 videos before I try and power it on.
@joerinaldi5
@joerinaldi5 Жыл бұрын
I think you have made a logical step by step approach, and have made good effort. I have made my own Amiga supply using a pc power supply, which works very well.
@SergZak2023
@SergZak2023 Жыл бұрын
Congrats on 50k, Jan! Keep up the great work!
@tenmillionvolts
@tenmillionvolts Жыл бұрын
Check the main filter capacitor on the input side to the buck converter. It may cause supply droop under higher load and you could be seeing ripple from it.
@geirendre
@geirendre Жыл бұрын
If you have the oscilloscope connected to the 5V rail when you power on the Amiga, you could se if it drops below 5V on initial startup. It could be dropping low just for a short while during power-on. Maybe single-shot it with the scope to se how it behaves then. Another alternative is to load the 5V with some electronic load (or a resistor) to see if it can deliver the rated 2.5A of current.
@davidryder6017
@davidryder6017 Жыл бұрын
Continuity in the output cable? Apologies if you checked this and i missed it or it's been suggested already. Great content, always fun to watch.
@airwood99
@airwood99 Жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to measure the rise time of the +5 V from off to on, then compare it to the ‘good’ psu. Also look for any bounce or ringing during power up
@daveayerstdavies
@daveayerstdavies Жыл бұрын
Check the voltages on the actual Rev3 board rather than using the broken board. Also try swapping out the DC power supply cable to eliminate that from the equation.
@0leMo
@0leMo Жыл бұрын
Congrats with 50k subscribers! You deserve it, fun channel with interesting content. Hope you get the power supply working with the rev. 3 A500.
@hernancoronel
@hernancoronel Жыл бұрын
When I bought my Amiga 500 back in the day I struggled the first year with a power supply problem that made it unusable most of the time. The power supply failed, I took it to repair and it would break again in less than a week, repeating the cycle over and over until I got a replacement one (not Commodore but very similar in appearance) and that finally fixed it. From the looks of it I think mine was 100% SMPS but I can’t be sure after so many years since I bought the replacement supply in 1990 OMG!
@mvcube
@mvcube Жыл бұрын
Hi Jan, since the +12V seem to be a bit on the low side and the +5V are derived from the same base 25V transformer output, I suspect the transformer to be the culprit. You should measure the input to the switching part of the power supply under load. Maybe it drops too low and there isn't enough energy left for the switching circuit to feed into the 5V? Checking the control pins of the IC with the scope might give you a clue. If I'm not mistaken, the power LED on the A500 is not directly driven by the supply voltage as it may be turned on and off by some aspects of the audio system. Marcus
@SeanBZA
@SeanBZA Жыл бұрын
I would suggest changing the inductor, it might have a crack in the core. Will cause the marginal operation you have. Incidentally the schematic you refer to has an error, the junction between C13 and D8 should also go to ground. Also check the voltages with no load, to check if the power supply is turning off with overvoltage. Output capacitor needs to be low ESR, 1R7 is way too high, and will result in marginal operation of the overvoltage trip.
@5mf1nc
@5mf1nc Жыл бұрын
That D5 is an SCR/Thyristor that may be used in some rectification circuit, HOWEVER in this circuit it is used as a so called crowbar for over-voltage protection (essentially short the +5V to GND if the +5V is too damn high) Also don't downplay the role of the choke/inductor, as that is half of the frequency-tuned circuit that stores and supply the current during the "off" phase and smoother during "on" phase.
@erickvond6825
@erickvond6825 Жыл бұрын
I'd try bodging a 4.7pf capacitor across the offending rail. While larger capacitors will take care of lower frequencies you'll find that smaller values of ceramic disk caps will eliminate the higher frequencies quite nicely. I'd bodge it in directly across the output of the 5v rail possibly on the underside of the PCB. If that doesn't work, I'd suggest having a look around on the board that doesn't work with it. This could be an issue specific to that particular revision.
@peteregan9750
@peteregan9750 Жыл бұрын
cograts on 50K - like your vids, enjoyable content in a relaxed natural manner....
@TheDefpom
@TheDefpom Жыл бұрын
My approach would have been to measure the rails when trying to power the rev3 to determine which rail is actually failing, and then gone backwards from there, I have seen plenty of the 78xx/79xx series regulators fail, I could have been one of the 12V rails, you seemed too focused on the 5V rail, even though it was testing as being OK.
@jaycee1980
@jaycee1980 Жыл бұрын
Missing +12V would NOT stop an Amiga from booting - you would simply have no sound and possibly no disk drive. The +5V line is the important one.
@MatthewPegg
@MatthewPegg Жыл бұрын
Try intercepting the current from the power supply to the amiga and then compare it with a different Amiga. They maybe something on the old amiga drawing roo much current for the old supply. If you have a adjustable current limit bench supply you could then find the current level which works.
@krnlg
@krnlg Жыл бұрын
Great video as always! 🙂 I'm not the first to suggest this but I agree with the folks here saying to check the power at the connector on the rev 3 board. Unless you already checked off camera, we don't actually know what voltage the chips on that board are seeing - my main thought is whether the connector is a bit marginal on both the board and the power supply, in a way that together doesn't contact properly but which when either the board of the supply are changed, it is still good enough. In which case the power supply could be fine electrically, which would agree with your measurements so far I think unless it really can't cope with the power draw of the rev 3 board! Either way it would make sense to directly measure the voltages on that board.
@VintageProjectDE
@VintageProjectDE Жыл бұрын
Hi Jan, another great video! If I understand correctly, you measured across the power supply connector on the board. That basically gives you an idea what the PSU delivers to the board under load. But, as I found in C64 boards, the voltage can drop significantly along the power rails if you have more ICs or if they draw more current than expected. In one case, an input of 5V meant an IC supply of about 4.7V. In that case ICs may fail to work or get damaged. In other words, a spot-on 5V supply may not be sufficient for that board revision. It might need a bit more. Maybe you could try to measure the Vcc at several ICs on the board, opposite to the connector. It may be the case that you have a voltage drop that undercuts the permissible input voltage on some of the critical ICs. Measuring the supply current would also give more insights. Of course, it's also possible that the voltage regulators are marginal and working with a later revision, lower power board, but cut out with an elevated load. 🤔 And transient effects can also play a role, as others have pointed out in the comments.
@DerykRobosson
@DerykRobosson Жыл бұрын
Welcome to another episode of Mr. Puzzle! Oh, wait, wrong German.
@NoobixCube
@NoobixCube Жыл бұрын
Maybe don't be so hung up on the 5V line being responsible. You initially zeroed in on that because it was a little low under load, but you fixed that problem and it didn't solve the issue. A few things come to mind for me: 1. Check the power connector itself. Maybe the pins are just making contact in other sockets, but the socket on the Rev 3 is a little bit pushed out, so you're not getting good contact. 2. Just try the voltage regulators. If it's not the 5V rail causing the problem, then the +12V rail is worth investigating. You've eliminated the PWM chip. You've eliminated the switching transistor. You've recapped _and_ checked that the new caps are fine. You've eliminated the bridge rectifier. There isn't much left on the DC side, just the 12V regulators, really, and if it's not a problem on the DC side, that just leaves the transformer, but I doubt that'd be at issue. It's just a big ol' lump of copper windings and iron. You'd _know_ if that were the problem. I think the problem is mechanical.
@JanBeta
@JanBeta Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tips! I’m going to re-investigate soon. Got hung up on other projects but I think the A500 is next on the list. :)
@fabianfarina2208
@fabianfarina2208 Жыл бұрын
Love your Amiga videos!!!
@nintrance-5488
@nintrance-5488 Жыл бұрын
Hello! Thanks for a great video! Someone might have pointed this out already and it is of very little importance =) Gold band on the resistor in this case is 5% I believe, not 1% Correct me if I'm wrong =) BR, Nin
@j-fharbec379
@j-fharbec379 Жыл бұрын
I noticed you could have used the second set of holes for the 2W resistors.
@PP-xy9bg
@PP-xy9bg Жыл бұрын
Just load the PSU directly with electronic load and see how many amps it could supply on the 5V rail. Then measure how much amps the amiga needs. If all matches - inspect connectors for resistance/voltage drops.
@DarkVain
@DarkVain Жыл бұрын
Yes, a big congrats on reaching 50k. Thought you had a higher subscriber base. 😁😁👍👍
@kreskogym
@kreskogym Жыл бұрын
You have to check resistance on both cables of psu, they are old. Also check voltages on rev3 power conector, I think think the problem is not with psu, rev3 mbo has a problem with current draw.
@kreskogym
@kreskogym Жыл бұрын
As I sayed in FB comments; why bother with old psu, try power it up with new modern psu. Yes, ripple is slightly higher on meanwell's but that will not be a problem.
@dj_erol
@dj_erol Жыл бұрын
(not related to this video) but it is worth mentioning that the rev 3 boards take a while to charge up capacitors when you first turn them on. my Amiga didnt power on at first boot after being off for very long period of time. when i switched on (first boot) it seemed dead, after a few mins tried again and it powered on immediately. I have experienced this on two different amigas *both* rev 3.
@oliverw.douglas285
@oliverw.douglas285 Жыл бұрын
Have you been able to successfully power-up the targeted Amiga (Rev. 3) with any other known-good power supply? If so, perhaps a side-by-side comparison of the two power supplies. If not the ripple voltage, perhaps something is getted 'loaded' down.
@mertuckan
@mertuckan Жыл бұрын
I've had the same problem with a C64 psu I built. The 5V rail was giving out exactly 5V's. when I connected I cartridge the voltage went down to 4.5 which was not enough to power it up. So I modified the 5V smps changing the ref voltage going to TL431 which determines the regulation voltage by changing the pull up and pulldown resistors which the TL431 is fed. I configured the ref voltage to be 5.2V then everything was ok. So, in your PSU the ref voltage is determined by two resistors, (in this case the are R5 and R1 or R4 and R2. I'm not sure) you should change them to give 5.2V or you can just add a 10k potentiometer to that circuit . I mean you should modify 5vline to supply 5.2v. that's all. I hope it works for you.
@giuseppelavecchia775
@giuseppelavecchia775 Жыл бұрын
Incredibile,spero che il problema si risolva
@BikerLordCarnage
@BikerLordCarnage Жыл бұрын
Check for tarnished pins on the PSU and Amiga power connectors, which could limit the current. Or check resistances between the ground and 5V traces on the PSU board and the Rev 3 board.
@lincamarius7092
@lincamarius7092 Жыл бұрын
Hello. The scheme from the address indicated by you is incorrect, diode D8 does not exist, capacitor C13 is connected directly to ground. According to the catalog data, the integrated circuit has an internal output overcurrent protection circuit connected between pins 4 and 5; it is activated when a voltage of 200mV appears between these pins. In the schematic pin 4 is connected to +5V and pin 5 to resistor R9 in parallel with diode D9, the manufacturing tolerance of these components may be the cause of your problem. The circuit formed by: R10, Zener diode D10, R11 and D5 forms the overvoltage protection circuit for the output voltage of +5V. I hope this information helps you. Good luck in your work
@lincamarius7092
@lincamarius7092 Жыл бұрын
I don't have access to such a source, but I found this web page where you can see the PCB. I noticed that pin 4 is connected to coil L1 and to a jumper wire, which is connected at the other end to capacitor C13. This is actually a resistor of approximately (0.2V / 2.5A = 0.08 Ohm) which determines the current consumed. So check the solder on this wire. With respect Marius.
@andrewclegg9501
@andrewclegg9501 Жыл бұрын
Dont plug a monitor cable in, you can check the voltages on the monitor port. No need to take that lovely machine apart again. I’ve got a bad psu too. Had some cap leakage, cleaned up, changed them all, but has some video interference. Better than before repair, but not good enough on a pvm. Luckily i have another psu thats perfect.
@BerndFelsche
@BerndFelsche Жыл бұрын
When soldering in through hole resistors in "high" power circuits, I bend the legs to form a 270 degree loop at the resistor ends. The extra lead length improves heat dissipation and reduces the mechanical stress under thermal expansion. You also get test points for probe clips. 😊 I'm surprised that you don't have a test load box for the power supplies... With loads on each rail switchable to rated load. Just a hunch... Put a choke on the 5V output of the PSU. There might be some strange coupling on the earlier Amiga boards that was eliminated later.
@julianbrown1331
@julianbrown1331 Жыл бұрын
Please save our collective sanity and check the voltage levels on the actual rev 3 board! It could be something as simple as tolerance on the power connector not allowing the 5v pin to make a good contact. The PSU is evidently working. The Rev 3 board likewise and that pretty much limits the fault to where the two meet...
@xredhead7135x
@xredhead7135x Жыл бұрын
If the resistors are in parallel, you could replace with a single higher wattage resistor of half value if space is too tight. In this case, you could use a single 90 ohm, especially since they are 2 watts which is up from 1/2 watt combined.
@gregorybrady3341
@gregorybrady3341 Жыл бұрын
How much current is the Rev. 3 board drawing versus the other boards? Is it possible there's a low resistance path on the Rev. 3 board and it's drawing too much power for that particular PSU?
@GadgetUK164
@GadgetUK164 Жыл бұрын
Dirty power connector when connected to the rev 3? Beyond that I am thinking maybe the 3300uF caps on the rev 3? I cannot remember if those were swapped?
@anakondase
@anakondase Жыл бұрын
I didn't bother to try repair my 2.5A PSU since it's a bit weak if you want to add some extra hardware. I just replaced it with a Meanwell instead.
@daw7563
@daw7563 Жыл бұрын
Try a larger filter cap also measure with rev3.
@borayurt66
@borayurt66 Жыл бұрын
I think you have a cable or connector problem. The +/- 12V lines suggests that to me. Both lines use 7812 and 7912 lineer regulators, they are very stable regulators, they do not drop voltage under load in normal operating ranges. If you have a supply what uses those and they output more (or less) voltage than they should, replace them, don't expect them to drop under load, that's not what they are designed to do. With a power supply like this you get cable drop under load though. Measure the voltage outputs of both regulators at the PSU side on their output pins, if you see anything other than their ratings (1-2% is fine) replace them. I don't like what you measure on these lines, especially the -12V line. You shouldn't get this kind of error on healthy 78xx and 79xx regulators, they should be spot on. Drop on the +12V may be cable drop which may be OK, but please measure that line at the PSU side as I said above, both with and without load.
@deterdamel7380
@deterdamel7380 Жыл бұрын
Try to supply the 5V rail from a solid benchpower supply.. just for testing. Or power the 5V rail from a modern DC-DC step down converter.
@janwiersma1449
@janwiersma1449 Жыл бұрын
to be honest I am now also modding a Amiga power supply to house the MeanWell RT-50B , and to be honest I am not really planning to use any oldscool Amiga power supply "as is" ever again, and considering to convert them all, even if they still work. all my heavy and also the light weight bricks. unfortunately the narrow A1200 and A600 bricks does not fit the RT-50B. but in that situation i will still use the big brick converted ones.
@ReneKnuvers74rk
@ReneKnuvers74rk Жыл бұрын
I guess inrush currents are limited in the later revs of the Amiga 500. Switch mode power supply often can’t handle large inrush currents (when the load is switched on) Loss of capacity in the output caps could also introduce such behaviour.
@Cas-s2y
@Cas-s2y Күн бұрын
this is a pretty old version of an a500 PSU. It can be better to replace the pcb. Semiconductors may fail over time, because it takes some current, transformer may short out maybe one day?, also if you use a meanwell psu you get a modern psu with different protections in it.. it can also be the case when a psu is broke that more parts are damaged, you may repair it but other damaged parts may fail some day later.. it is not always clear if a psu can damage your amiga when it fails..
@VeryWarmBear1
@VeryWarmBear1 Жыл бұрын
Try putting an inductor/capacitor low band filter on the five volt line to see if you can reduce the noise more if it works great if it doesn't that is not the path to follow
@Starter61
@Starter61 Жыл бұрын
Check connector & cable. Also, make your voltage measurements inside the Amiga, not the psu. Good luck !
@yeoldestuff
@yeoldestuff Жыл бұрын
I would start by checking that the Amiga Rev. 3 is actually getting power from this power supply at all, perhaps there is a problem with the connector.
@dick_tm
@dick_tm Жыл бұрын
I can only support this suggestion. If there is a pin a bit curved and the other side is also curved, but in the other way the board doesn't get any voltage. Other powersupply simply work because there is a connection.
@FireballXL55
@FireballXL55 Жыл бұрын
Why are you not connecting it to the rev 3 and using the meter and scope to fault find. Is the IC switching what's it's supply look like on pin 15. I assume D10 is a zener if so D5 is an over voltage trip/crowbar. so the PSU would work without it, not recommended to connect to a board without it though use an incandescent car lamp as a load.
@S0urceror
@S0urceror Жыл бұрын
What about the inrush current of the rev3? Maybe it can’t cope with that and the reset circuit doesn’t work properly as a result? You should be able to measure this with the scope and a small series resistor. And at the reset pin. Also compare with the rev5 current draw.
@edgarmatzinger9742
@edgarmatzinger9742 Жыл бұрын
Why not measure the voltages on the rev3 board? And the current(s)? Or get a rev6 Amiga 500 and add some extension boards to increase the load? And see if that Amiga boots?
@hollgo626
@hollgo626 Жыл бұрын
Nach Lage der Dinge würde ich jetzt den eckigen Powerconnector des rev3 verdächtigen, entweder das Kabel, das vom Netztteil kommt, ganz tauschen und dazu den connectorcauf dem Mainboard mit ordentlich kontaktreiniger bearbeiten...
@kidkv
@kidkv Жыл бұрын
Run a load on the 5 volt rail and put a scope on it and or DMM on it.
@jaycee1980
@jaycee1980 Жыл бұрын
To be honest if you have no power at all on the Rev 3 machine, and the PSU powers the other boards, I would be inclined to look at the machine's power connector. My feeling is that the 0V connection is broken. It's possible later machines bond the shield ground and 0V pin together, and depending on how the PSU is wired up (I cannot remember what these linear Ismet supplies do) the shield would serve at the return path. The shield ground is only supposed to be connected to mains earth at the PSU end, but some of the PSU's connect it to 0V... and some (the slim black ones that came with A1200's late in life) dont connect it at all!
@jaycee1980
@jaycee1980 Жыл бұрын
incidentally, I really dont recommend restoring these PSUs. This particular model is known for failing and putting out unregulated 5V (my guess is the pass transistor fails as a short). There really is no reason at all to preserve these old PSUs.
@Colin_Ames
@Colin_Ames Жыл бұрын
It’s not often we see you fail. I would be interested to see you revisit this, using some of the suggestions in the comments. Definitely take apart the Rev 3 Amiga and check voltage at the board.
@domramsey
@domramsey Жыл бұрын
Of course, the easy solution is just to swap the power supplies and send back the one that works with the Rev 3 Amiga. For all we know, the other supply might not have been original, and almost nobody cares about the originality of a power supply, let alone if it's the exact same one that came in the box. I do understand you really want to understand the issue though!
@tokyogentleman
@tokyogentleman Жыл бұрын
check the filtering input of the psu
@robertpeeler8151
@robertpeeler8151 Жыл бұрын
Just a guess but see if there is a difference between rev3 and the later revisions on the 12v rail. they might have changed something on later revisions that does not pull as much on the 12v side. the 12+ was low if there is a difference that could be the cause of the not powering problems with that supply.
@SasaPaunkovic-camplus2
@SasaPaunkovic-camplus2 Жыл бұрын
Hello Jan, my guess will be that the start for psu is not good. Maybe connect it after a few seconds with the connector? Tchuss
@danielross868
@danielross868 Жыл бұрын
Yep- you measured the REV5 under load, but you did not do same to REV3 unit. This would be first thing I would do before you replaced just about everything within external PS...
@simontay4851
@simontay4851 Жыл бұрын
27:17 1.74 ohm is far too high for a 4700uF cap. It should read 0.01 ohm. Even good 470uF caps have lower ESR than that. Those capacitors are both bad.
@kwcdata
@kwcdata Жыл бұрын
Check the connector😊
@leebooth2333
@leebooth2333 Жыл бұрын
Is the plug of the power supply slightly misaligned? Could you measure the voltages inside the rev 3?
@sebastian19745
@sebastian19745 Жыл бұрын
What TTL ICs have the rev3 board? May they be mostly regular TTL, they draw more current than LS/ALS later ones. I had a spectrum clone with a lot of standard TTL chips that needed a 3A/5V while a later revision made with mostly LS-TTL ICs drawed only around 2A/5V. The PSU from the later revision was unable to power the first one. Also the memory chips were NMOS on the first version and CMOS on later ones. Theirs power consumtion are quite different. Try to power the boards with a computer ATX PSU and check how much current they draw.
@BCjeffro420
@BCjeffro420 Жыл бұрын
well done thanks!
@turbochardged
@turbochardged Жыл бұрын
I'd take only the 300 apart and check the voltages in the board with the power supply on. Follow the problem.
@tigheklory
@tigheklory Жыл бұрын
My concern is that you are using a machine pin socket which only makes contact with the pins of the chip on the 4 corners. You really want to use a dual wipe socket if anything those make contact on both sides of the pins and have overall more surface area. I would only use sockets with logic chips and avoid using them on the main draw of the 5v power rail.
@geoffcollins6601
@geoffcollins6601 Жыл бұрын
Hi Jan check current draw of both PSUs
@Czaja747
@Czaja747 Жыл бұрын
Maybe rev 3 is drawing more juice and some over-current protection kicks in and causes to PSU to shut down ?? Have You tried to measure voltages with rev3 connected ?
@jeffm2787
@jeffm2787 Жыл бұрын
I've seen too low of ESR on output caps cause supplies to not want to fire up when under a load, but I doubt that's your issue. More or less the inrush with charging cap(s) plus load ends up being too much. Again, probably not the case. I would one shot trigger capture the output on switch on and also probe the PWM chip.
@Geomanb
@Geomanb Жыл бұрын
50k 🎉
@aleksandrbmelnikov
@aleksandrbmelnikov Жыл бұрын
Here's a stupid thought. Are the pins in power sockets same between new and old? Only then, if you're getting good continuity on all legs, split rails used between both supplies (shared ground), until you've identified failure.
@DanielandStuff7
@DanielandStuff7 Жыл бұрын
maybe add one more capacitor inside the powersupply to reduce ripple?
@peterdurman3087
@peterdurman3087 Жыл бұрын
I would check voltages on rev 3 on floppy power connector, both 12v and 5v, as it sound like to me there is no ground getting to the Amiga, if you get +12v on floppy connector and no 5v then ground is there and 12v too, but if you getting no voltage then there is a ground issue.
@M0UAW_IO83
@M0UAW_IO83 Жыл бұрын
Have seen transistors and diodes test OK on a simple multimeter/component tester but fail under load, I'd be checking the 1N5401 main rectifier diodes under load or replacing them.
@wimwiddershins
@wimwiddershins Жыл бұрын
Have you tried a different plug? Maybe this PSU and the rev3 connectors have some slight misalignment? Long shot😬
@FernandoelChachi
@FernandoelChachi Жыл бұрын
I don't have much idea, but for what I've seen in the past with high demanding (a lot of things connected) miggys, you could try with a much shorter cable from the PSU to the Amiga, just avoiding resistance. My guess.
@svenpetersen1965
@svenpetersen1965 Жыл бұрын
I think, if the ripple/oscillation should be measured with the computer, it did not work with. It might be a different load. I would suspect the other capacitor. If you replace a capacitor in a switch mode PSU, a capacitor with low ESR and a high ripple current is required. A too low ripple current will result in an early death. The ESR, which is too low might even be bad and cause oscillations, so the scope is always required. I would have a look at the ripple with the computer, that it works with and compare it to the ripple with the computer, it does not work with. The Rubicon ZL or ZLH capacitors are usually a good replacement. I would also measure the ripple inside the PSU. The HV end can be covered with a card board as a minimal protection. BTW: the „rectifier with the dual output“ is a thyristor. It is a 4 layer (3 junction) semiconductor, which is switching, but a bit different than a transistor.
@lawrencesherman8435
@lawrencesherman8435 Жыл бұрын
Have you put a scope or dvm on the power outputs when connected to the problem machine? You didn't show it. Check the voltage - then check the current - a good dvm will do that though you need a test harness to break out the power leads for current measurement. How about hooking up a lab power supply to the offending machine. That will give you complete understanding of what is going on power wise. Are you sure its a power supply issue? Have you tested that? Is the lack of the power led your only fact?
@bufordmaddogtannen
@bufordmaddogtannen Жыл бұрын
Why didn't you use the holes next to the blue component to install the new resistors?
@pikadroo
@pikadroo Жыл бұрын
Realize its a pain to take that a500 apart again but you’re missing a step in trouble shooting by not seeing what is happening to the power on the rev3 board.
@Cassandra_Johnson
@Cassandra_Johnson Жыл бұрын
Checked the physical connectors vs known good? Slightly undersize pin + stretched/loose pin socket?
@brendonwood7595
@brendonwood7595 Жыл бұрын
Given the power led is not on the power to the non working board must be virtually non existent. Is the power supply shutting down from excess current?
@gaetanodistefano9014
@gaetanodistefano9014 Жыл бұрын
that 12v rail it's a Little ti low for me :/ you must check that rail, probably the rev 3 has older chip that Need more Power on that rail, nice video anyway . :)
@ovalteen4404
@ovalteen4404 Жыл бұрын
Did you check both of the rectifier diodes from the transformer? Ripple (especially with a small load) and weak output could be a sign that one of the diodes has failed.
@dh2032
@dh2032 Жыл бұрын
what are the replacement Resistors the big chunky ones, I'm not very familiar with that size I'm looking a one at the moment, and some what stomped what it is guessing it just big sized resistor, but there must be a reason for the size? the one I got is potted in rubber resin, so it going be a bit of a acarology dig to get at it., and it may just crumble getting it off the PCB board? what is real name? as what to call it to by one? to three etc? and are colour banding system the same the regular sized ones like ones being replaced on the board? multi metered iit not showing any resistance at all, (so guessing just dead), and it look slightly discoloured, not burned, but it may cracked or broken? and needs replacing?
@salvocristaldi1689
@salvocristaldi1689 Жыл бұрын
I bet the problem is that that PSU doesn't supply enough power (Ampere). You should test voltages and amps inside the amiga 500.
@sr.padilla1633
@sr.padilla1633 Жыл бұрын
Verify the switching frequency and feedback network.
@nickolasgaspar9660
@nickolasgaspar9660 Жыл бұрын
Probably an issue with the PSU pins . I have a similar problem with an atari 8bit psu. The pins refuse to make good connection with the power connector of my XL machines. Measuring the rails of the rev3 Amiga will tick this off the list.
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