Amorge Lithium Battery Teardown. Overall Build And Quality Assessment

[@danklucar3526]

Thanks for the tear down! I was already ready to pull the trigger on getting one but this gave me a lot more info on what I'm getting!

[@ReuterLithium]

It’s nice to know that everything was in order for sure. I’m a skeptical person so it was only natural for me to do this

[@benlipman]

Great review though, thanks for taking one for the team!

[@ReuterLithium]

Of course! But I believe you build as well so you know all I did is void my warranty.

[@Canadian_72vRazor]

super underrated, hope you keep posting, you help so much

[@ReuterLithium]

I needed to know myself! Thanks

[@tommyw00t]

Awesome video man! I just got my 72v Amorge last week, so far so good

[@ReuterLithium]

Thanks! I was skeptical till I took mine apart. I was pleasantly surprised

[@williamcappauf7631]

How's your battery doing still good?

[@tommyw00t]

@@williamcappauf7631no issues with it. Probably ordering another for a different bike soon

[@williamcappauf7631]

Nice I'm about to order a 72v 35Ah battery for my Onyx Rcr. I just wanted to make sure it'll hold up. How often do you use it by chance? I'll need to use mine 5 days a week

[@MrTomkaeding]

Thank you for the sacrificial lamb 😂. I’m buying 2 72 volt 45 Ah batteries this week. All good info. Thank you again.

[@ReuterLithium]

No worries! Even if I didn’t make a video I would have done the same thing

[@johnnyc.3261]

Thanks for doing this video, I’m on the fence about to order one.

[@HD-eu3zs]

Hey man, been following your good content and razor build since you started. Thanks for the honest transparency and also for confirming the quality of Amorge. Was on the fence, but now I will order my 72v. Assuming you are from the USA, how long did it take to ship and I read in the fb groups that shipping via sea instead of air can make it even more affordable. If it isn't too personal to ask, could you tell us how much your total cost was and the shipping prices?

[@ReuterLithium]

For sure I can share that info! I did take almost 30 days to get by air. Total was $789 I think, but cost of battery was $649.

[@ReuterLithium]

Also yes from TX

[@crazyskooldrifters]

What was it in the end? Was it 200 line amp or peak? Awesome video! Very brave of you to take one for the team and unwrap a brand new battery like that.

[@ReuterLithium]

So it is 200 line amps and I think 340 peak. More than most these tiny bikes should ever have lol

[@roguecoyote1278]

Got mine a couple months ago. Works great!

[@ReuterLithium]

That’s great!

[@ssj4bulma537]

doing god's work son. salute

[@turbogodstoys]

Legit street cars on youtube just mentioned your channel from that ev van thingy he is working on.. funny how most of us mechanics are craving knowledge now on ev tech.. wanting to try light weight stuff first like a bike first or motor cycle before i try throwing an exra ev motor in my second rampage project. Just started watching your videos hoping to learn more .. so bring on the knowledge

[@ReuterLithium]

I’m trying lol. Bikes are just easier and more manageable from a money perspective. Same principles apply from Bike to car, just scale changes. I’ve been helping Alex all week and I absolutely love his project. I was glad I could share my experience with fixing batteries and my understanding of them. It helps that I work for the largest EV company in the world though

[@MooseRidez]

I'm one of the ogs of the A-Morge * batteries. Love these things, man. Price, build quality, and shipping, makes it so much worth it. Amoure is the one of the Coolest ways to say the name, lmao 🤣

[@ReuterLithium]

Funny that we are all guessing on how it’s pronounced lol.

[@MooseRidez]

@NicksGarageBuilds lmfao yeah it always becomes the topic of discussion. Am-er-ije , ah-more-ja, etc etc lmao 🤣

[@DEEZEVs]

I pronounce it the same way 😂 These guys are great and I’m happy it’s worked out so well for everyone. If Mention my name (Jordan Davis) you’ll receive a extra little discount on your order 🤙

[@TURBOMOOSE]

@e-motosbydeezy7153 yessir I been rocking amorge for over a year now and I can't tell ya how many people I've gotten to purchase Batts from them. It's awesome 👌

[@DEEZEVs]

@@TURBOMOOSE hell Hell Yeah man, I still have my first 48v pack from Allen! it’s 3 years old now and still performs like it did the first time I used it. These guys have been taking care of me a long time. I have a 72v 36ah and a 72v 32ah on the way right now 🔋🔋

[@imho7250]

Nice sacrifice. Hopefully you got her all wrapped back up nice and neat. Those LiShen cells seem to be pretty good. I think some of my fake P42A are actually LiShen because they match what Mooch measured on his tests. The fake is so good that its hard to tell if its just degraded P42A or these LiShen cells. He rates both of these cells at 30a CDR, but thats not in real world conditions. I recently tested my Legit P42A and the first test day of arrival i had a fan blowing on the cell and it discharged at 20a continuous and only got up to 42c. Then I tested both the real and fake P42A in simulated real world conditions. Starting at 30c, wrapped in insulation that mimics being surrounded by other hot cells, wrapped in fish paper, plastic, PVC shrink wrap and inside a battery box, and discharged until it reached 60c, which is as high as I would go since I’m not racing for money. Lol Im designing my 5p battery for 60a continuous, 150a peak. I would say that battery there probably can realistically handle 100a continuous in the summer and then all higher values would have a time limit. Such as 160a for 8minutes, 200a for 2 minutes, 240a for 1 minute. 300a 10 seconds. The key point is, while riding the battery will only heat up, and once hot you would need to turtle mode at 30a to get home and get the pack back in the air conditioning. I also ordered that same type of buss system, and even though the minimum 0.3mm thickness is plenty for a properly arranged battery like that one and like mine, I chose 1.0mm thick because after shipping is added the cost for extra thickness seems insignificant. But if you want ro get a feud started, ask if 0.3mm copper sandwich between the cell and nickel is better than 0.3mm, 0.5mm or 1.0mm copper sitting on nickel pedestals are best and break out the popcorn. Lol I do like the way they used the BMS wires evenly distributed along the negative collector. I probably would have liked to see them use the wires leaving the BMS and going to a 5:1 splice as it’s designed, but i guess if you use AWG4 wire along the output and on the positive collector bus, you have a better chance to get a good solder job. Smart BMS are dirt cheap now. $100 for an ANT 200a/500a. Not sure what that adds over the cost of the dumb BMS but generally worth it just to see what’s really going on inside your $700 battery. My smart BMS already paid for themselves in helping me troubleshoot and care for battery. I do know the fear of ordering anything custom from china. I prefer the go to site, choose each option (cells brand/model, BMS, bus, AWG and connector type size, but the same thing can be done with messaging to aliexpress, alibaba etc. its the holding your breath for 1 month until it arrives thats hard. Lol Thanks for the review. Hopefully you can give another review but i think without a smart BMS theres not much you can report. It’s going to deliver the amps, but whats cell differential? Its going to get hot, but how hot we won’t know.

[@ReuterLithium]

Wow now that’s a reply! I can happily report battery is back together and is being used constantly. There’s a lot of ways to do and I love how fast this world is changing! Seems like you could build a battery and a month later there’s a better way to do it.

[@Erroct1]

Thank you so much!

[@Razorcrew_Cole]

Should be ANT BMS Allen typically uses which I like the Bluetooth model so you can connect and monitor everything as well.

[@ReuterLithium]

Yup you can get that. I wanted to see what their budget build was like.

[@Razorcrew_Cole]

@@ReuterLithium Right on good to know! Great video for sure

[@bdjm8595]

Thanks, that was informative and interesting!

[@ReuterLithium]

I’m glad you felt that way! To someone like me that’s a huge compliment

[@SINcityBigLOU]

Hi nick how safe is it to solder a new tx90 to the battery side!? I’m so scared.! 72v mini 20a. I gotta do something about it or I got no battery… 😮😊❤

[@ReuterLithium]

It should be fine you just need to take your time! Just take extra precaution so positive and negative don’t touch!

[@Ray88G]

Thank you . Solid tear down

[@ReuterLithium]

Of course!

[@EmxBrandon]

What a guy! Thank you for this! Any word on the bms info youve found?

[@ReuterLithium]

So I found very similar ones on Alibaba and they showed 200 continuous. According to Allen it is 200 continuous, but can do up to 400 peak for 30 seconds. At this rate I have no reason not to believe him

[@olingerscreations]

Nice, I liked and subscribed

[@hank_Reardon]

What was ah? This is far better than I expected from China batteries.

[@ReuterLithium]

Ah for this battery is 32. They are 4000mAh cells and 8 in parallel. I think there are plenty of terrible built batteries, but Amorge is not one of them

[@hank_Reardon]

@@ReuterLithium I bypassed the BMS and ran copper over everything, had no heating issues, it the cells themselves couldn't handle the amps and it caught on fire while I was biking. I was going to buy molicel batteries and build my own, but your video makes me just want to buy from them. Think it can handle 200amp continuous from a sabvoton controller?

[@ReuterLithium]

I think it can handle that and than some. The cells they used are rated for that. I live by the 80% rule. I only use 80% of its max capacity. That’s just for longevity. I’ve built batteries and it’s fun, but super time consuming. My time is better served trusting Amorge to do it. That’s just my opinion though. I still build some custome stuff from time to time

[@hank_Reardon]

@@ReuterLithium good to hear I'll send them your video and everything when I do it. Thanks for the replies!

[@ReuterLithium]

Allen will build you whatever you want. That’s why I went with them originally. He had no idea I was going to take it apart and make a video. I didn’t want to get some special battery that was the best they could do. Process and receipt seems weird and scary, but I know countless people have ordered from them. They wouldn’t tarnish their name over one battery

[@noce1071]

Great video , what are the dimensions of the battery?

[@ReuterLithium]

Thanks 8”x6”x9” LxWxH

[@noce1071]

@@ReuterLithium thanks

[@450mphaintthatfast8]

How long did it take to come?

[@ReuterLithium]

Too long. I air shipped and it still took 30 days. Better off waiting slightly longer and having it shipped by boat

[@alanwilliams3909]

Nice!

[@ReuterLithium]

It was nice!

[@Thomas-TDJ]

what are the dimensions of the battery? I would also buy one for my electric dirt bike convesion.

[@ReuterLithium]

6x8x9

[@Thomas-TDJ]

ok thanks for the info.👍

[@schmeglyomigy6174]

Is this battery still holding up? and can you get water on it without it causing problems or no? Thanks

[@ReuterLithium]

Sure is! It probably gets used more than most. I would say the water proofing is decent. I think it’s ok to splash it and ride in rain sparingly. I don’t think it could ever handle any submersion though

[@schmeglyomigy6174]

@@ReuterLithiumOk thanks for the reply. Would you recommend a stock surron battery or an amorge battery if I can get the stock surron battery for $400 with 1000 miles on it.

[@ReuterLithium]

Tough question to answer without knowing what you intend on using it with, motor/controller. My Surron battery has been super reliable, but it fits terrible in most applications outside of Surron. It also lacks that punch that the Amorge batteries have. I think moving forward I won’t install anything below 150 amps continuous unless it’s just a little cruiser. I intend on taking my Surron battery and installing into a little Coleman 100.

[@schmeglyomigy6174]

@@ReuterLithium Oh ok. My motor is an 1800w vevor, and my controller is a 45 amp controller that works with 48-72v range. However, i can also get a surron motor and controller for an extra $400, so that I could have a full surron setup in the razor for $800 total. What would you recommend?

[@ReuterLithium]

Can’t say I’ve ever ran a full Surron setup before. My issues with all that stuff is you can’t change any settings. Honestly just comes down to what you want to install it in and how much fabric work you want to do. Not sure where you at, but in Austin we can grab Surron setups for around $600

[@Nouri_TV]

i got an amorge but its only 24 AH out of 32 AH @ Full charge @ 4.2 volts why would the battery have lower AH than marked?

[@ReuterLithium]

Curious how you are measuring Ah of the entire battery vs the individual cells?

[@Nouri_TV]

@@ReuterLithium has an app it shows the total battery AH out of the capacity. After I took off the charger AH balanced out to 31.33 out of 32 cells were like 4.150 volts so IDK but i think the battery is good? weird glitch on the app was showing the AH as 24 out of 32 when charging was completed

[@andyfumo8931]

​@@Nouri_TV The ant BMS app?

[@Nouri_TV]

@@andyfumo8931 yeah amorge battery from econic

[@xpndblhero5170]

How much is a 48v for a 2000w system¿?

[@ReuterLithium]

I’m not absolutely sure and it’s very difficult to say without knowing how much Ah you want? I would venture to say $250 to $400

[@rocksolid1829]

How do I buy one? And can you run 48 volt motors and controllers with 72 volt battery

[@ReuterLithium]

Controller no, motors yes. Just reach out to allen at Amorge batteries. I will post his card in the info for the video

[@ReuterLithium]

I added all the contact info for Allen @ Amorge and a description of what to expect!

[@je7647]

2 of these on the way 72 120amp and 200 amp sur ron

[@ReuterLithium]

Hell yeah! I put this one back together and it’s still kicking ass! Funny enough in my razor I still run the surron battery. Not super powerful, but certainly reliable

[@je7647]

@@ReuterLithium got a ktm 65 and a QS90 for the the 120 amp battery

[@Rippinandfishin]

Where did you buy it, Alibaba?

[@ReuterLithium]

There store and processing of payment goes through Alibaba. I left all the info in the description. I typically only work with Allen

[@programmingwithbaker-codin953]

Silent G?

[@ReuterLithium]

Not sure if anyone knows haha. It’s just my best guess

[@jaypee6877]

Are you close to ny

[@ReuterLithium]

Nope Austin TX

[@Bmr4life]

Cost for that battery?

[@ReuterLithium]

It was $785 to my door via air freight. Can save about another $100 or more if you choose to ship by sea

[@Kilo5910420]

@@ReuterLithiumwould you recommend getting samsung cells over these?

[@megamanswagking7926]

I have 2 amorge batteries ❤ the best🙌

[@ReuterLithium]

They will certainly be making more for me!

[@mct8888]

Amorge told me my cells aren’t balanced on my batteries and they’re sending me a new “intelligent BMS”…what is this and how the heck will I install it?

[@ReuterLithium]

That is unfortunate. That can happen with all batteries. Regarding BMS replacement. If you don’t have much experience with that kind of thing I would strongly advise paying someone with experience to do it or teach you. But in my opinion they shouldn’t be sending you parts to fix a battery. Is it under the “warranty”?

[@mct8888]

@@ReuterLithium I’m not sure what the warranty is…it’s been far less than a year since I ordered. I will ask about replacement instead. Who would I go to for repair? I’m not even sure what kind of business does that kind of thing.

[@ReuterLithium]

Pretty sure warranty is 1 yr. Yeah there is not many if any “official” business that perform those kind of repairs. Your best bet is to get a replacement. Depending on what they say on what to do with the old one throw it on Marketplace or similar as broken. Guarantee someone will either know how to repair it or at least be interested.

[@benlipman]

Copper for parallel connections becomes a danger the more P members. If a cell fails the others will violently dump current in. I like using thin nickel for P connections as another safety. You can’t trust the CID to work, might be too late when the cell is venting.

[@ReuterLithium]

Yup I agree, but I can understand from a manufacturing standpoint why they do this.

[@DEEZEVs]

This is better than how most packs are built. It’s to the standards if not higher of how chi, and a lot of other big companies make these packs. This is a standard pack they sell from the specs I’ve put together over time so people could have a good power without Paying so much. They can make them to any standard you would like, you just have to ask 🤙

[@benlipman]

@@DEEZEVs Chi does cell level fusing :)

[@schmeglyomigy6174]

So would you say this battery pack is a safe one to use then or no?

[@albertdavis1882]

780$ Damn

[@ReuterLithium]

Damn good or damn like expensive? lol

[@albertdavis1882]

@@ReuterLithium I’m new to the scene…. So it’s a damn expensive at the moment. I was thinking 400/500 but damn! Lol. Is it any cheaper to source all the material and build it yourself? Again, I’m new to the scene but I have electronics experience and a very good soldering iron.

[@ReuterLithium]

No worries! Glad you asked. So I’ve built batteries using used cells. You can bring that cost down to half, but only after buying all the decent equipment. It’s so time consuming that it’s not worth my time to build them. It’s really fun as a hobby though! For a battery of these specs most want $1200. Welcome to the space! It’s a ton of fun when you start jumping in. I remember when I felt like making electric things was unobtainable and now I’m thinking about converting an old sports car and am moving in to big dirt bikes! It’s addicting

[@albertdavis1882]

@@ReuterLithium I appreciate the info. I got two razors my sons wanna mod. It’s gonna be fun and expensive 🫠

[@mexicanamericana4546]

They lied about the bms being an ant bms and the output 😂

[@ReuterLithium]

I never asked for ANT. I went with a budget build intentionally

[@Onetime806]

Listen if you sold me a battery with 340ah bms peak thats i want to see in thats lavels a battery with 340ah peak bms no less after i paying you dont come to send me a battery with less specifications im sorry my money back

[@mikemazzoli1990]

Removing comments is Censorship! now i see the truth of your purpose and Amorge crazy what people will do for free sh!t

[@ReuterLithium]

Never have I ever removed a comment?? Nor does anyone with 319 subscribers get free stuff lol.

[@mikemazzoli1990]

@@ReuterLithium Sorry dude i guess youtube removed both of them, one was about avideo you should make for the my1020 rotor sizes in different watt motors and the other comment had a link to the $35 bms they used in this battery from fleabay, somone removed both comments, but sorry i assumed 🤙

[@ReuterLithium]

That’s really weird? Yeah I know the BMS in the battery is much cheaper than say a Daly or Ant, but from what I found it has all the protection. I also have both 2kw and 3kw my1020 motors. I can see if there is a difference in rotor size.

[@mikemazzoli1990]

@@ReuterLithium i wanted to see someone make a video on comparing the insides like magnet count rotor size and copper windings. maybe weigh the cases?, I think they will be very similar until you get to the really lower wattage ones like 1200 1000w would be nice to see what e&c did to the 3000w compared to the stock vevor, again sorry about what i said earlier but i know how Utube is and don't understand why they removed two diff. comments from me? are we not allowed to post links in comments?

[@ReuterLithium]

I honestly am not sure about posting links. Makes me wonder if they flag it as a scam if you post links in comments so they removed both?

[@Z-Ack]

Dont think its a good idea to name your channel something so close to a famous channel thats been around for quite a long time and has a pretty cult following., wouldnt think that yyour channel would ever get off the ground no matter what interesting stuff you do..

[@ReuterLithium]

Valid. I’ve been thinking about that for months now.

[@mexicanamericana4546]

This battery looks like Chinese garbage. They say they use p42a molicell but these are Samsung 40t. I bet the cells they use are not even genuine Samsung cells most likely Chinese cells with Samsung labels. Also the positive terminal sitting directly above the negative terminal with nothing but tape separating the two is insane. If the tape melts or gets punctured it's a fire waiting to happen..

[@ReuterLithium]

I had this specific one built with Lishen cells

[@SRNAR8]

Lishen cells perform very similar to p42a. Calm down kid, watch the video he says Lishen, not Samsung or molicel.

[@Razorcrew_Cole]

Dude your a clown 😆😂 Tell me you know nothing about batteries without telling me in one comment hahahahaha

[@Insanity_Wolf]

No they aren't molicels, but they perform near as good. Their discharge is within what the specs they advertise. Any exposed wiring can be fixed with less than $1. For something that would cost $1200 priced at $500. You're really just being arrogant. If not, I'm sure everyone here would love the link to your site for your batteries built with molicels and high discharge BMS and no imperfections for the same price.

[@TreYay83]

​@@ReuterLithiumare molicel an option?

[@Timboslicce]

Good to see. Thanks for your sacrifice lol. Not cheap

[@ReuterLithium]

Ah it’s fine. I already have it back together and shrink wrapped again. I had to know personally