An Embarrassingly Long Analysis of the 7 Lightsaber Combat Forms

[@just_limerence]

Form I - Shii-Cho (Way of the Sarlac or Determination Form) - 1:05 Form II - Makashi (Way of the Ysalamiri or Contention Form) - 17:30 Form III - Soresu (Way of the Mynock or Resilience Form) - 33:38 Form IV - Ataru (Way of the Hawk-Bat or Aggression Form) - 48:34 Form V - Shien/Djem So (Way of the Krayt Dragon or Perseverance Form) - 1:12:44 Form VI - Niman (Way of the Rancor or Moderation Form) - 1:45:45 Form VII - Juyo/Vaapad (Way of the Vornskr or Ferocity Form) - 2:03:48 Various Forms/Derivatives - 2:39:56 Thought having a good way to skip through the Forms would be super helpful for people who would like a full discussion on their favorite forms. Thanks for this, it's really helped me immerse myself and help use all of these forms as a "martial art" in training to be a Star Wars cosplayer professionally

[@luckygamermemberofvma7903]

Thanks

[@jacobsetser415]

Very much appreciated mate!

[@AnakinSkywalker-mm3gi]

I like to watch these kinds of long lore videos while I'm cooking, cleaning or just trying to fall asleep.

[@stuartthomas94]

same. always passing out listening to 3+ hr star wars, 40k, GOT, LOTR, game retrospectives.

[@TheStupendousWave]

Hope you enjoy!

[@JoshyyBear_]

Big facts

[@itzjetlife3639]

or eating

[@rachelprighel4409]

Good thinking

[@SlothSkeleton]

Sees lightsaber forms. Sees length of video. Nerd mode engage.

[@DanielsCustody]

Lol. Yes.

[@ChanceTM]

Facts.

[@isaakriosss5557]

Love it Same

[@greyjedi6430]

Yeah take note andor #andorsucks

[@rachelprighel4409]

Engaged of course

[@Archivist_of_Stupendous_Wave]

Hahahaha!! This one was SUPER fun. I hope you all enjoy and thank you for having me on as always Stupendous Wave!

[@jontew3538]

You 6.7 beast i agree with all you say

[@eminescueliade4206]

I definitely do come back soon ❤

[@rachelprighel4409]

That's sounds interesting for you actually

[@rachelprighel4409]

Of course

[@rachelprighel4409]

Very good idea actually master general sir Hayden Christensen himself

[@-westman3619]

"Vader cannot lift his arms above shoulder level" *vader lifting palpatine above his head and tossing him like a flightless bird*

[@SaraBlade]

See what happened was he took it as a challenge and if there is one thing you don't do is challenge Vader...with exceptions of course

[@Althar9809]

@@SaraBladeThis example shows that both Vader and Anakin had the same big flaw : hubris

[@Blackmuseops]

Ignoring the obvious, this video does

[@Blackmuseops]

​@ufc3459 but that also means that the armour argument is wrong. We see him do it

[@Al-ir6vb]

He actually just picks the Senate up by the armpits and carries him about two feet, The Chosen One then arches his back and keeps his arms around eye level to shove him over the railing... I think that 'can't raise his arms above his head' is still applicable to canon...

[@LexWinchesterr]

Awesome, I saw “embarrassingly long” and it didn’t disappoint, great video man! There is no such thing as a long video for SW :)

[@TreySaddler]

How would you know? You commented 2 minutes after the video went live? Lol

[@rachelprighel4409]

Good thinking my mistake

[@rachelprighel4409]

Absolutely correct

[@rachelprighel4409]

Very good idea

[@rachelprighel4409]

That's a great idea for you Hayden Christensen always

[@Originalthumb]

It’s nice hearing this kind of unedited conversation from you!

[@Originalthumb]

Honestly would love to see more episodes like this

[@rachelprighel4409]

Your absolutely welcome Hayden Christensen always general master sir

[@rachelprighel4409]

Your welcome

[@rachelprighel4409]

Your welcome

[@aster4jaden]

Now THIS is just what I needed! Makashi is my favourite Lightsaber Style, it's just so sophisticated and elegant.

[@eugenelau3927]

I like Form V Djem S0 & VII Vaapad myself!!!

[@aster4jaden]

@@eugenelau3927 My other favoured Forms are Form VII Juyo & Form III Soresu, I also like Jar'Kai and Telekinetic Lightsaber Combat.

[@rachelprighel4409]

Weapon

[@rachelprighel4409]

Of course I do care about the comments and the people I care about is Skywalker's only and respect for the other jedi masters and padawans as well

[@rachelprighel4409]

I agreed with dgem powers of course form 5

[@CSmith41591]

Surely I'm not the only one who found it hilarious to describe Obi-Wan's use of Mou Kei on Anakin as "cutting corners", right? 😂

[@MrStiwan46]

Just lighted the reefer and then comes this gem in, thanks for this hilarious amount of work you sick geniuses!

[@rachelprighel4409]

Don't be rude to me thankyou very much and I don't like being called names at all.

[@rachelprighel4409]

Chinese facials now that's Canadian jokes that you like exactly

[@rachelprighel4409]

Gore puke of pumpkin spew.

[@rachelprighel4409]

I am not sick at all

[@rachelprighel4409]

That's true exactly what about pumpkin stew and that's Canadian jokes that you like exactly

[@krizula1117]

Oh boy, this is gotta be the biggest Holocron yet

[@rachelprighel4409]

Spot on then guys

[@rachelprighel4409]

Definitely correct answers alright then

[@rachelprighel4409]

@@krizula1117 of course

[@rachelprighel4409]

@@krizula1117 definitely

[@BladeEdge86]

I: Let the force be your guide II: Lethal precision III: Ultimate defense, wait for your opponent to make a mistake and then strike IV: Gotta go fast V: Overwhelm your opponent with aggressive strikes and counterattacks VI: Learn the basics and be mediocre, or truly master it and become one of the dealiest duelists of all time VII: Either let the darkness take over for power (Juyo) or control your inner darkness to serve the light (Vaapaad)

[@rachelprighel4409]

Number 5 for me thankyou

[@justaregularguy115]

Vapaad .....(I'm a dark ninja).

[@rachelprighel4409]

@@justaregularguy115 maybe not at all

[@kevinthunder3375]

Juyo isn't dark. It was just dangerous. You had to have strong mental and emotional fortitude.

[@rachelprighel4409]

@@BladeEdge86 that's true absolutely

[@GGBlaster]

We need a SW video game with the lightsaber forms in a skill tree.

[@lennythevilla6973]

Hell yeah we do!

[@rachelprighel4409]

Good thinking

[@rachelprighel4409]

May the force be with you always Hayden Christensen general master sir

[@rachelprighel4409]

Good thank you so much merci

[@rachelprighel4409]

Good thinking alright then guys

[@theeroyaltgaming]

This was a excellent video! I love the lore and you guys add takes to it.

[@antonioperezhernandez5846]

Simply amazing video, you should do more like these about different topics

[@ollaitsrealgood]

I have been waiting for this video for months. Thank you. I love you.

[@rachelprighel4409]

Me to

[@Zeus3135_]

I love these long videos.

[@rachelprighel4409]

Me to

[@darylsdesigns6679]

My favorite users of the known lightsaber forms: Form I Shii-Cho: Lucien Draay, Kit Fisto, Kento Marek, Every Jedi Youngling. Form II Makashi: Count Dooku, Asajj Ventress, Jerec, Shaak Ti. Form III Soresu: Obi-Wan Kenobi, Darth Zannah, Kanan Jarrus, Luminara Unduli, Barriss Offee. Form IV Ataru: Yoda, Qui-Gon Jinn, Ezra Bridger, Aayla Secura, Quinlan Vos, Ahsoka Tano, Darth Talon, An’ya Kuro, Satele Shan Form V Shien/Djem So: Anakin Skywalker, Luke Skywalker, Plo Koon, Ulic Qel Droma, Darth Bane, Galen Marek, Ahsoka Tano Form VI Niman: Exar Kun, Darth Krayt, Kao Cen Darach, Cal Kestis(implied), Starkiller clone, Darth Plagueis(implied), Darth Maul, Darth Sidious, Revan Form VII Juyo/Vaapad: Mace Windu, Darth Maul, Rahm Kota, Darth Sidious, Sora Bulq, Depa Billaba. Three Rings of Defense: Most members of Luke Skywalker’s New Jedi Order Trakata: Darth Traya, Corran Horn

[@aidanhogan-thomas1797]

No Revan mention in Niman???

[@Darth_Sheepus_the_wise]

Bane also knows form 3 and is near Obi Wann level of it

[@drakethesnek6429]

Add revan, sidious and maul to the list of form 6 masters.

[@BladeEdge86]

Ahsoka tends to use a combination of Ataru and Shien with a bit of Djem So thrown in when she needs a bit more power.Sidious used a combination of Niman and Juyo.

[@ryanmccann8576]

Props for the Corran Horn reference.

[@donavonhoward114]

I'd like to believe that because Windu understood the blade motions of form 7 better than any Jedi of his era, he was able to successfully mount a defense against Palpatine's initial offensive explosion at the very beginning of their dule, and match his saber skill. The other Jedi Masters in the room could not anticipate the strikes that were coming at them, and were unfamiliar with the bladework, speed, and ferocity of going up against a true master of form 7, so they were surprised, and quickly killed. Also, there were hardly any Juyo practitioners in the galaxy, let alone the Jedi Order, and most Jedi mainly practiced against other members of their own order in sparring. Battling Sith Lords (the apex predators of Force wielders) was even more of a rarity, let alone fighting blade to blade with a Dark Lord as powerful and furocious as Sidious. Some of that is probably just my own head canon, but that's the fun of Star Wars. Everyone see's the subtleties of the lore in their own unique way. It's a never ending discussion, and that's why we love it so much.

[@rachelprighel4409]

Good luck then

[@rachelprighel4409]

May the force be with you always master general sir Hayden Christensen Skywalker himself

[@rachelprighel4409]

@@donavonhoward114 me too exactly

[@rachelprighel4409]

@@donavonhoward114 so do I exactly

[@rachelprighel4409]

@@donavonhoward114 exactly

[@leng6338]

Thanks!

[@starwarsbrainbusters5587]

LOVED THIS VID SM, As a SW KZbinr, this inspired me so much not even kidding. Please make a tier list on the strongest force wielders, i would LOVE That

[@rachelprighel4409]

As you wish my Master Hayden Christensen anakin Skywalker sir general 4

[@rachelprighel4409]

And may the force be with you always Hayden Christensen always

[@rachelprighel4409]

Your absolutely welcome

[@Althar9809]

Two of my favorite things : Lightsaber forms and stupendous Wave long discussion video… what more to ask ? Very great content as always !!

[@rachelprighel4409]

@@Althar9809 you too Hayden to

[@Althar9809]

@@rachelprighel4409 ??

[@jedichristian7294]

It would be very interesting to see both Obi-Wan Kenobi and Barriss Offee dueling, even though we all know that Obi-Wan would win but the duel would last for probably a very long time due to the fact that both Obi-Wan and Barriss are skilled at form 3.

[@drakethesnek6429]

Kenobi is also skilled in form 4, and at least according to TCW cartoon, offee's main form is 6.

[@jedichristian7294]

@@drakethesnek6429I’m not taking about “dark jedi Barriss” I’m referring to padawan Barriss because she used form 3 a lot in the beginning of the clone wars before she turned to the dark side, but maybe she had secretly studied Niman prior to her turn to the dark side. Also Obi-Wan may have used Ataru at some times in his duels but it was barely shown because we see him use form 3 a lot more than Ataru because that’s the form his is more focused with.

[@rachelprighel4409]

Exactly

[@rachelprighel4409]

How amazing

[@_TheManInBlack_]

starwars is a escape for me. and i’m 24. these videos are a blessing man.

[@rachelprighel4409]

Very good thinking exactly

[@andrewmcconnell-ns1lk]

Kao Cen Darach was a practicioner of Niman, he was able to hold of Darth Malgus and Darth Vindican long enough for Satele Shan and some republic troopers to escape and warn the Republic and Jedi of the Sith's return

[@rachelprighel4409]

Done

[@skaterock420]

This video is a ton of fun. This level of detail in world building really brings the story to life.

[@rachelprighel4409]

Absolutely

[@rachelprighel4409]

Exactly

[@nickmillar999]

Am I the only one who would be very interested in seeing a mixture of form V and VI? I feel like being able to mix in force abilities with your counters would create a powerful level of battlefield control. Using Niman’s reactive tendencies to allow your body momentary respite from the physical demands of Djem So could allow you to persist through a potentially longer fight. Another point to it when dealing with blaster fire, I could see a master of both forms using the openings between blaster bolts to force pull or bind their opponents within range; closing the distance in a moment

[@stevenceja4706]

In my ideal Star Wars world, I'd love to combine Niman with Shi Cho's randomness, Makashi's finesse, and Shien's defense.

[@ltshoes6278]

Love these long videos for my Tuesday morning solo shifts.

[@rachelprighel4409]

Your absolutely welcome alright then

[@Delta68494]

So the jedi that got in the way during a battle with bane on Tython was Johun Othone, just in case anyone wanted to know as the video didn't clarify. The only other thing I think was intentionally implied by the bane books but not directly stated or mentioned by anyone, bane not only focused study on form 3 due to losing his armour but because of how he gained it. When the orbalisks attacked bane the wording in the audiobook is "The colony of crustaceans broke free on mass and cascaded down on him in a chitinous swarm" "it was like trying to ward off raindrops in a storm" He literally took that experience and learned how to block raindrops as redemption for falling victim to the orbalisks. Definitely one of my favourite features of bane, everything bad that happens to him, he learns to beat in the future. Bane only 'lost' to Zannah because of her force abilities, bane not only laid her on her back but he disarmed her, if she were any other force user of the time, including her own temporary apprentice (Set Harth) she'd have died.

[@Archivist_of_Stupendous_Wave]

JOHUN OTHONE! THAT was it!! Thank you, that was killing me! Also I love that take on why Bane decided to learn Soresu, I haven’t seen that perspective before.

[@Delta68494]

Thanks man, I think it's accurate. It's just the phrasing that hints at it but it's the repeat of the word choice that made me sure of it. I love the bane series, if I could ever study under a master it would definitely be bane.

[@Archivist_of_Stupendous_Wave]

@@Delta68494 agreed. Bane is for sure in my top 3 favorite Sith. The Bane Trilogy was my first step into the Legends universe and it got me hooked right away.

[@Delta68494]

I completely get why. It almost killed the movies and series shows for me. I hope some day they make maybe a 3 season series for bane to cover each book.

[@Delta68494]

Oh could I ask you about Set real quick? What do you think of him and his character? I wish there was more about him especially after he escapes the stone prison with Darth Andeddu holocron

[@DarthJunkie666]

Hell yeah when you n Geetsly make hr+ long videos i get soooooo pumped up. Lol thank you so much Stu!

[@raiderax8532]

1:39:04 thanks for clearing this up I always have a hard time pinning down exactly how strong and how good anakin is when comparing him to old masters yoda and even windu in the end a fight is about more than just power but IQ and strategy and just being able to keep your wits about you

[@rachelprighel4409]

Of course it is the right thing to do that exactly

[@maiaspen307]

There’s nothing to be embarrassed about here… Stand on a f*cking podium with a 🏆!!!! You slayed this video! WELL DONE! 👏👏

[@GenlennialEntertainment]

Never knew about all the nuances in the forms before. Thanks for that guys. Personally, I wouldn't use them. With the force as an ally, I'd construct multiple sabers to use at range, or as shields. Totally using trikata if I have to. Guide one saber around behind or to the side, ignite it to distract, then three more come in from different angles. Even above or below. For sure going to use the area around me too. Surprise rocks, twigs, clip boards or small objects. Annoyances to wear down the stamina and confuse. While comfortable in cortosis armor.

[@DarienJDees]

That incredibly unique 😮 I'd love to see such a style in action

[@GenlennialEntertainment]

@@DarienJDees Thank you. I never understood why force users never used the force more inventively. Say you have a ship, maybe one that is trying to take off and leave with a certain Count in it. Why not reach out and pluck a few of the vital wires to the engine, or hyper drive? Cripple the ship and then clean up after.

[@DarienJDees]

@@GenlennialEntertainment that's so insidious...but genius 😅 The only jedi that I think might think of something even remotely that subtle is Shak Ti

[@GenlennialEntertainment]

@@DarienJDees Right?! Oh no, not the big bad droid army. Whatever will we do? Use the force to short out their remote control, cpus, or communications. Watch them start flopping, gaining free will, or running around like the runner that freaked out Obi Wan and Anakin. The force has so many untapped uses that it boggles the mind. None of the force users we focus on ever think outside the box enough to make use of it. Even grand masters. The only time I think I've seen the subtle use was with Quigon. The trick he pulled on Watto to get a chance at taking Anakin.

[@lennythevilla6973]

It isn’t that easy to tap into that level of the force in an instant except for those with the highest midichlorians. Yoda, Vader, Palpatine sure everyone else no, not like that. I mean we have now seen Vader do it in the Obi Wan series.

[@raiderax8532]

I feel like I’m watching an ESPN episode starwars style and it’s AMAZING everything was so well articulated I shall add this to my training🙏🏽

[@MikefromTexas1]

One fucking massive undertaking... And I thank you for it.☕

[@theSANDMAN366]

This is one of THEE greatest videos ever created!!!

[@josephfuller9539]

Dude was the reference of Qui-Gon and Maul and the soft sand from The Diary of Maul? If so that was a B-Side Deep Cut that I am proud to have caught.

[@TheStupendousWave]

Great catch

[@nickchesser4150]

Don’t be embarrassed bro, this is badass.And so are you. I love your videos👍

[@JohnWayne-y1b]

They're forbidden moves for a reason, Obi wan had to deal with the consequences until he died

[@matthewturley352]

Really enjoyed this, found out lots of new things! Thank you :-)

[@raiderax8532]

1:43:27 Ik I’m commenting a lot but I just love this video (taking me days to finish) but yea anakin was THE goat in this form if you take a closer look at mustafar you can clearly see at the end anakin is standing tall vs obi wan is definitely winded and obi wan is profiling maneuvers that he’s never done before in this duel which can also be a factor

[@rachelprighel4409]

Absolutely

[@donstarlancer]

Welp guess I’ve got something to watch working from home tomorrow 😁

[@ZerohSyks]

This theory might be a little out there but I feel like it might hold some water. After order 66 it seemed like the Jedi you know like the good guys, they became stronger and my theory is since there was less Jedi in the Galaxy the force can only act through so many people at once with such levels of strength. So maybe the force got like distilled down to maybe like a stronger version of itself because it wasn't spread out so much to so many other people. I'm not saying that back in the day a whole bunch of Jedi couldn't use a bunch of force abilities that were super powerful I'm saying that it became easier for lesser Jedi to use more powerful abilities because the force didn't have so many to work through. Idk that's just a theory I was having last night. I'm just trying to add rhyme to reason why Ezra Bridger and Luke Skywalker and I don't know Kyle katarn they all became just extremely powerful even though they didn't train as younglings... Okay Luke probably could have trained to be a Jedi at the age of 50 and still would have been a badass though I'm just saying don't don't come aboard me because I said Luke Skywalker.

[@ZerohSyks]

Sry, I was ... Tore up when I wrote this one... 😂

[@Darthpickleric]

Ty very much I asked for something like this awhile back and enjoyed it very much

[@drakethesnek6429]

Before i even watch this video, let me remind people that niman is the primary form used by darth sidious, maul, revan, krayt, exar kun and kao cen darach. Maul won against qui-gon using niman, not juyo. Same with sidious versus maul/savage, though i think sidious is prone to bouncing between niman and juyo. Lastly, nowhere is it stated that niman is weak in any department, including dueling and battlefields. By its very nature, niman is average at everything.

[@Armusah]

Super insightful all the details and how thorough this was. Really enjoyed this thank you!

[@rachelprighel4409]

Done

[@Assenayo]

You have mastered the secret 8th form: Weaponized Autism. This was incredibly deep.

[@rdp281089]

Personally, I think my lightsaber form would be form V Shien and Djem So. A form prepared for any threat I've always had the belief that "the best defence is a good offense" Seeing as I'm 6"3 and I fight with physical strength and with a counter attacking philosophy. It would just compliment me perfectly. Thank you for such an in depth and thorough video, I don't think I've come across such an in depth video about lightsaber combat anywhere. Keep up the good work!

[@MandoMax55]

Anakin definitely felt Obi wan weakening on mustafar. He even tells him “this is the end for you my master”. I think the only one aside from maybe sidious that could have beaten Anakin after he turned to the dark side was Obi wan but only because, like you said, he was the only one who really knew Anakins major weaknesses. I wonder if Obi wan would’ve resorted to getting padme involved if she was present bc that also would’ve been a possible Achilles heel for Anakin.

[@jaxeight]

I saw the whole video. It was amazing! Thank you so much for doing this! If I was in the Star Wars Universe I would try to learn Niman. Mainly because of what Exar Kun did with it but also because I love the idea of using a hybrid form.

[@euclyptuseuphoria3759]

Assuming peaks, I honestly think Vader beats Yoda purely due to how ridiculously powerful Vader is in the Force. Yoda is constantly using the Force in battle, Vader can afford to use it sparingly.

[@tomnorton4277]

Vader's power was noticeable weakened after Mustafar. He wasn't on Yoda's level in Force power after Obi-Wan defeated him because the injuries didn't just physically destroy Vader, they also ruined considerable amount of his overall Force potential. Here's one example. Force Lightning is Vader's kryptonite. He's completely helpless against it. Meanwhile, Yoda eats any Force Lightning for breakfast unless it's launched by Darth Sidious, the most powerful Sith Lord who ever lived. And even Sidious was visibly worried when Yoda started turning his Lightning back on him. Yoda would absolutely rip Vader apart both in a lightsaber duel - Vader's simply too slow to stand any chance against Yoda's speed - and in the Force. He was hiding from Sidious, not Vader. Vader's just a whipped dog whom Yoda could dismantle easily if the Empire ever discovered him and Vader was foolish enough to go to Dagobah himself. Now, if we're talking about Vader in his prime, which was in Revenge Of The Sith for the short time between killing Mace Windu and losing to Obi-Wan, that's another matter. If Vader had won his duel with Obi-Wan, he would have become unstoppable in both lightsaber combat and in Force power. Sidious even acknowledges this. However, Vader never reached that potential because he tried to rush to the finish line too quickly and ended up getting himself permanently crippled.

[@Baraka_Maracas]

I’m having the night of my life just playing Minecraft and listening to this. Thank you all

[@alejandronunez5110]

This 3rhs will be a delight

[@rachelprighel4409]

Exactly

[@rachelprighel4409]

Absolutely

[@HopeforDespair]

@@rachelprighel4409bot

[@Randomthew]

Amazing video. If i were a jedi, i would strive to master both makashi and sorisu, both emphasize energy conservation and tight precise moves, but makashi is focused on precise killing blows and sorisu is focused on a perfect wall of defense. Mastering both would be a potent mix

[@rachelprighel4409]

Nice work Hayden Christensen himself ❤

[@rachelprighel4409]

@@Randomthew definitely

[@cehkking3376]

me at 2am see this was posted: "well I didn't have anything important to do tomorrow anyway" (I do)

[@nilesrodriguez4343]

One of the best videos on lightsaber forms I've ever seen

[@playboig4696]

Good shit my man keep this up ya holocrons r reaching us in the outer rim (da hood)

[@dylananderson466]

Always love hearing from the archivist!

[@solidsmoke9372]

thanks for the work could you add timestamps for each form ?

[@fenrir_Lokison9]

It will never happen. That forces the viewers to watch the whole video, that makes the algorithem happy.

[@Silver_Sage663]

1:30:24 Shien is what Vader used in the hallway scene in Rogue One (I think). I'm a massive fan.

[@MosEisleyCantinaStories]

Just started this an HR ago or so. So far no repeating yourself, no "double speak" due to editing. Thanks for taking my advice

[@PresentMoment333]

These long videos are really great

[@rachelprighel4409]

Exactly

[@PresentMoment333]

​@rachelprighel4409 It's kinda like when I talk to my friends about this, we get really into the world It's nice to delve into the small details of the world, makes it richer

[@rachelprighel4409]

@@PresentMoment333 of course

[@rachelprighel4409]

@@PresentMoment333 of course

[@rachelprighel4409]

@@PresentMoment333 of course

[@jodhaaakbarfantuomey8103]

Fast style worked best in JEDI ACADEMY, people who dislike Niman are simply naive, the beauty of it is that if you've mastered it, then it becomes anything you need it to become. Also, it's incredibly inclusive, and a master could add other marshal techniques or even dance moves. Far from being a mere swiss army knife, it is supremely customizable to both practitioner and situation.

[@rachelprighel4409]

@@jodhaaakbarfantuomey8103 absolutely

[@rachelprighel4409]

@@jodhaaakbarfantuomey8103 of course

[@tomnorton4277]

Niman is for those who are willing to take the long way to power. Most lightsaber duellists prefer forms that get immediate results. Niman isn't designed for that. It requires a similar kind of patience as Soresu except it's more versatile and customisable than Soresu ever was. A true master of Niman is absolutely lethal and the fact that the form itself is so underrated exemplifies why Darth Krayt and Exar Kun were basically unstoppable after they mastered it.

[@jodhaaakbarfantuomey8103]

@@tomnorton4277 I respect all the forms which is why for me Niman is so important.

[@DarienJDees]

Excellent breakdown, guys ❤ Makashi and Soresu would probably be my combination of choice. Calm, efficiency, and precision 🌟

[@BlackJoePesci]

Saving this one later for cleaning day 😂

[@Blackmuseops]

Excellent video! Very comprehensive

[@drkushajagadeesh6347]

It finally happened!! I've been waiting for this video for ages! 😍

[@rachelprighel4409]

Agreed with that answer actually

[@levig2366]

YESS Finally an unreasonably long lore video on lightsaber combat

[@RumChocolates]

Obi Wan Kenobi was FORBIDDEN from learning Form VII.

[@IanArendell]

Great speech on Luke and form 5! That was perfect

[@Gmen2487]

Is there any way to merge all 7 so that there's perfection for both light and dark side?

[@drakethesnek6429]

No. The closest to a perfect hybrid style is form 6 niman.

[@rachelprighel4409]

Correct answer

[@Zeldazed]

I’d use a hybrid of Makashi and Soresu. They emphasise efficient movement to preserve stamina which would help a great deal in longer duels but they cover each others weaknesses. Makashi’s precision and offensive capabilities would help after the opponent has made a mistake or completely tired out whilst Soresu is effective against blaster fire and multiple opponents on top of being a two handed form that generates kinetic energy. All of this would help which would cover Makashi’s weaknesses. As for tràkata, I would use it as an absolute last resort but it definitely shouldn’t be used often as you’d basically be begging to become one with the force. Thanks for the great video guys. Always love learning more about the lightsaber forms

[@DarienJDees]

Excellent choices 👌🏾 I think I'd use a similar approach except I'd use Makashi with a two-handed grip for more leverage and easier transitions along with force integration from Niman. ...well either that or a Soresu-Djem So-Niman combo. But my Djem So would have to be based more on technique than power cuz I'm on the small side.

[@rachelprighel4409]

How very strange is that when you find out what's going to happen sooner than usual

[@rachelprighel4409]

Exactly

[@rachelprighel4409]

Exactly that suggestions for both of us then

[@rachelprighel4409]

May the force be with you always Hayden Christensen always general master sir

[@samuelrobles3737]

Day 438 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon

[@carlousmagus5387]

How's that working out for you?

[@samuelrobles3737]

@@carlousmagus5387 One who follows the Will of the Force is one who lives a full life. I know for I am one with the Force and the Force is with me. May the Force be with You....always

[@ALF8892]

Im already an expert on the lightsaber forms but I still watched the video

[@tracaine]

Trakata is the only common sense form. Why would you not use the ability to turn your blade on and off?

[@davechongle]

same reason as any other culture that values a sense of honor. they see it as a bad thing to do. it is also dangerous and might not be worth the risk unless you are 100% confident that it will work.

[@kevinthunder3375]

It's not a form lol. It's just a move.

[@spindoggytheexplorer2915]

@@kevinthunder3375 I don’t think it was ever really developed fully into a form by anyone but there’s so much more that can be done with it than just “a move” that it could easily become a form if someone were to dedicate themselves to its use.

[@kevinthunder3375]

@@spindoggytheexplorer2915 but it's a form. You you just turn your lightsaber on and off lol. Or rotate your crystals to change the length.

[@ox8833]

Love this in depth analysis!

[@rachelprighel4409]

Me to

[@rachelprighel4409]

Maybe

[@realhouston8156]

Guess what I know what I’m doing for the next 3 hours

[@arcticfox1108]

I’m a huge fan of Ataru. It perfectly matches my personality as an energetic person when engaging in physical activity and I feel like if I can learn some basic gymnastics, along with some more advanced manoeuvres, I could be an absolute beast in a lightsaber duel

[@unarealtaragionevole]

I have always wondered, does the word 'form' mean style? No one seems to say what a 'form' really is. I listen to descriptions, pros/cons, and opinions...but I never actually hear what a form is in Star Wars. I mean at the end of the day a lightsaber is a fancy sword. And a sword only has 10 basic moves: 4 cardinal movements, 4 diagonal movements, thrust, and draw. That's it. Everything else is a version of, or a stylist approach to the 10 basic movements. So is that why they are talking about?

[@kellymommsen-ss2id]

This is absolutely fantastic thank you for taking the time to do this

[@rachelprighel4409]

@@kellymommsen-ss2id your welcome

[@rachelprighel4409]

@@kellymommsen-ss2id your welcome

[@matthewmann8969]

There should of been some many light whip formulas, electrostaff formations, blaster formats, as well as thermal destinator formers too yeah.

[@rachelprighel4409]

Good idea actually try that idea

[@theeroyaltgaming]

Form 3 Soresu for defense, form 2 makashi foot work and form 5 Djem So sequences.

[@drakethesnek6429]

My personal choice in forms: 1) niman 2) makashi + shien

[@ahel4523]

I love this kind of deep dive.

[@dosequis22]

Ah yes...embarrassing...definitely... *downloads for after work*

[@playboig4696]

💀💀my brother just clowed me for watching this, imagine a gun toting, weed smokin party nigga watching lightsaber forms

[@sanelmehmet7245]

This was amazing love the in depth breakdown ❤️😍💖💕

[@olof1382]

bro this cant be real

[@TheStupendousWave]

Search your feelings, you know it to be true!

[@TommyLuciano-qe8gx]

Luke:I don't believe it. Yoda:That is why you fail

[@jdzencelowcz]

I'd prob'ly B basic, form 1&2, 2 being restrained to wound not kill, with enough 3 to block blaster bolts to good effect.

[@rachelprighel4409]

Absolutely

[@Lego-Joe-1]

I would use form 2 makashi and form 3 soresu. One for lightsaber combat and one for blaster deflection.

[@shlamallama6433]

That's what I'm thinking

[@LaffyWaffy89]

Those two would be what I use and I would add form 1 or 5 to form 2 and 3

[@Lego-Joe-1]

@@LaffyWaffy89 Good choice if I had to pick a third form it would be form 5 Djem so.

[@BRIMZ619]

You guys the best. I watch everyday!

[@LiShuBen]

This is the perfect thing to practice my sword forms to ❤

[@rachelprighel4409]

Exactly

[@gabrielsantosloureiro1219]

My favorite forms: 1 - Vaapad 2 - Nyman 3 - Djem So

[@VanTesla]

That's a good top three, I think. Vaapad is an offshoot of Juyo that Mace developed that takes advantage of Darkside users' own strength. We see how well it does against Sidious, as George stated in the past. Mace won the duel. Niman is a great but difficult form to truly master given it takes from all forms. The Jedi Battle Master Cin Drallig is the best practitioner during the Clone Wars and in lore held up against a newly anointed Darth Vader during the Temple raid and lost due to Vader using Cin apprentices as distractions. Also, Exar Kun was a master of the form for a Jedi/Sith. Djem So, of course, given Anakin and later Luke as Grand Master. It's a great top 3 in my view.

[@SHARKVADERS]

Force Education

[@gamithemighty5932]

that was quite an interesting discussion to be sure. lots of information for me to examine.

[@mattkeeler3599]

That Jedi that he is thinking of his name is Johan otho

[@devilsbane598UT]

Oh yeah 3 hour long video my boredom is cured now

[@BRIMZ619]

We love you guys and all ur hard work. Gotta go with Vapad. Windu was a boss 4 sure. Thank u both 4 ur work..

[@Gor85]

Pretty good list! Watched to 52:14.After THE lightsaber form😁I like Makashi,Soresu,Ataru,Djem-So.Mix of everything id perfect.May the Force be with you always😁

[@rachelprighel4409]

Yes master general sir Skywalker anakin Hayden Christensen himself

[@rachelprighel4409]

You too

[@Gor85]

@@rachelprighel4409 🙂

[@lathenhertel8564]

I have an hour before I go to work and I see this now. Well, good thing I drive for a living 😁

[@rachelprighel4409]

And may the force be with you always Hayden Christensen please be careful

[@rachelprighel4409]

The chosen one himself