An EXTREMELY AVERAGE Start - Kongo Religion Victory Challenge

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[@MarcosAntonio-xt8xp]

Potato: An EXTREMELY AVERAGE Start Also Potato: Gets a Relic.

[@robertposaric6419]

and a deer tile worth 5 yields in 2nd ring of a city...

[@arkadiuszrenc1498]

As Congo

[@md.abulkalamazad6847]

also the end turn

[@TheRealLyrelia]

@@robertposaric6419 ok poop

[@bslvrs]

@@md.abulkalamazad6847 wait what HOW YOU DO THAT

[@spaz4269]

In before "I accidentally won a culture victory while trying to give the AI a religious victory."

[@cacs2201]

I find this very, VERY likely

[@bensrandomshows1482]

legit I think that since Potato started doing his newer style of videos, this is the first time he has done a 2nd play through of a civ .There was a Kongo game about 4 months ago, I want to say?

[@gyuszibaan9860]

He also did it with hungary I believe

[@cjsomething516]

@Robert Budzinski Pretty sure he has done 3 playthroughs of Hungary, one of which he quit.

[@cjsomething516]

@Robert Budzinski He's also done two Norway games, one traditional domination and the crazy raiding game. I think thats it for repeat civs if we mark the line at his Persia game, which was the first series with the newer style, i think.

[@calupus4409]

the goal of winning this game should be to get a religion from a civ, delete said civ from the game, and then get them to win even though they are gone

[@wesleychen4408]

Unfortunately in civ six you need your capital in order to win religious victory.

[@snaek2594]

@@wesleychen4408 well that's a little silly. What if you still hold the holy site? Does the capital really matter at that point for your religion?

[@JakobBuis]

Firaxis: innovative zombie mode! Potat

[@kadrodindubldva]

"and it uses up a tile which I don't really care about" *proceeds to place encampment on a 1-2 plains hill*

[@JonesMacGrath]

Not only does the infinite end turn glitch fuck with my games, it fucks with my youtube binges. Curse that glitch.

[@NewVegasNerd]

I don't know why, but... The spinning intro gets me every single time.

[@emekos_]

You have all those rivers on flat land. You should make an industrial mega city complex

[@bigfudge2031]

If you eliminate a player who had a religion and you control their holy city, can you win a religious victory with their religion if you didn't have one?

[@caesarsalad77]

I was wondering the exact same thing

[@evanshirley6089]

No - you can’t take over their religion unfortunately. It just removes that religion from the religious victory screen. I tried it in my most recent game.

[@jakobmann1497]

When winning gets boring so you keep winning by actually losing

[@SpikedHairVSGravity]

I had a nightmare last night that Scotland had 400 science on turn 25.

[@puggy1232]

that sounds terrifying are you ok man?

[@SpikedHairVSGravity]

@@puggy1232 retaking my power right now by playing a Scotland game.

[@Twiska]

I have an idea for a challenge you could do. Capital Only. You can only found one city but you can still take a.i. capitals. You got to raze every city you can raze. You can could go domination. Or you could capture a few capitals, raze a bunch of enemy cities and win other ways. What do you think?

[@Aecusim]

What do you think about giving Goodie Huts a choice of reward like Archeologists? I'm tired of having barely any relics as Poland and no one wants to religious battle my martyr apostles.

[@jaeusa160]

@0:45 I wonder how many City-States will even exist by endgame without mods. It feels like the AI likes clearing barb camps, and eating City-States even if they form. And unfortunately, as I discovered with some mods on to buff City-States to be able to defend themselves because I got sick of them all being consumed so easily... City-States themselves also like destroying barb camps. It feels like all the factors inherent to the game make it difficult for Barbarians to survive very long at all.

[@monkeytime9851]

"the goal is getting somebody else to win the game".... I like this concept. lol

[@hamclapper2654]

A1 gameplay as always mr tato

[@JerryCrow]

This is just nitpicking but; "Ideal terrain" is the positive defense modifier, offering a +3 CS bonus. Terrains that are considered ideal are Hills (any type), Woods, and Rainforests. Note that the latter two may combine with Hills, and their bonuses stack for a total of +6. In Rise and Fall, Reefs provide a +3 Defensive CS bonus for ships. "River defense" is a bonus which applies when the attacking unit has to cross a River to reach the defender. Unless the attacker has a special Promotion Promotion, the defender receives a +5 CS bonus. Obviously this only affects melee attacks. So attacking from a hill across a river is worse than attacking from straight flatlands. Didn't even know you can win this way...? Also a pleasure to meet persia? Have you never encountered immortals xD?

[@josemiguelcaballerorestrep2101]

Giving free wins to the ai? Based

[@callumjc1994]

+2 production AND +4 production per relic you say potato? That's like. A lot of production

[@morricane5087]

In before Tourism Victory happening faster than Religious Loss :D

[@541Primetime]

Woooo new vid lets gooo

[@nathanadler4024]

the mad lad finally did it

[@slangtand]

Heeeeeeeeeeey Spuddy! I'd like to see something like the overexplained videos, but adapted to Marathon speed. Not necessarily an overexplained video, just some pointers : ^-)

[@rairarku2964]

23:56 I was playing the video in the background, just vibing. Ya know. Then I hear EU4. WHOO! Have you played EU4?

[@mr.tapman8685]

You totally called your Capital an Encampent

[@aidanabregov1412]

Barbarian Farming == “Barming”

[@cakdwik2050]

He try to prank, will be auto win culture 😂😂

[@woodysmith2681]

I've had trouble with converted barbarian city-states giving out religious pressure.

[@dilanhammonds3818]

Hey potato since you have a report with the civ devs can you ask about fixing the creasing issue on console please I can't play more than 20 or 30 turns after turn 120iah snd even before then it crashed randomly

[@richardwiens5356]

I'm curious to see how you avoid winning a culture game.

[@IgorPCabral]

I always get a God Tier start, or a trash start, there is no middle ground

[@KristianEgs]

Oh My lord! I requested this :O

[@Paper_Sunset]

A mercenaries game mode is a way better game mode than the Zombies game mode

[@theplasmawolf]

Average start. Meanwhile I see infinite rivers with my Dutch Heart :)

[@justice8273]

Among us @ 14:42 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@MrGhosta5]

The ai is so bad at religious victory potato has to win it for them.

[@SkyenNovaA]

not watched it uet and the only think I can think is how?? also wasn't the one era behind one city challenge enough torture for you??? this is just mental masochism at this point

[@janchlanda6876]

I don't get it, how do you achieve religious victory with Congo when you can't establish a religion? How does it work?

[@blinky101]

He gets somebody else to win a religious victory by using the free apostles

[@evanshirley6089]

Basically he’s not going to get a victory - the original founder of the religion will win and Potato will lose, but he’s fine with that.

[@chloedegurechaff1941]

I have a friend trying to learn civ6, and he's struggling. tho atleast its turn based and not realtime like eu4 XD

[@portland573]

"Average"

[@justanotherhobbit7215]

Potato : There's so many mechanics now that it makes it almost impossible to keep track of everything. Also Potato a minute later : You know what would be a good mechanic to add? Mercenary functions.

[@thecornseller]

*Reads the title* This is gonna be one hell of a game.

[@constantijnforrugby125]

Hey man I like your profilepicture

[@thecornseller]

@@constantijnforrugby125 Thanks man, I like yours too

[@motherrussia55]

Beg yoshe

[@sortilien2099]

@ARTHUR TROY is it even possible ?

[@cacs2201]

"Extremely average start" *Gets the first pantheon with Kongo*

[@ma_nu]

and a relic from a tribal village :D

[@ss5gogetunks]

@@ma_nu From the FIRST tribal village no less

[@lucascorreaallan5743]

r/whoosh

[@cacs2201]

@@lucascorreaallan5743 I don't think you know how to use this meme...

[@whodatimpostor5163]

Potato: This game may be getting a bit unwieldy 30 secs later: Imagines a whole new component that would be awesome...

[@Petrozza2000]

The "Ngazargamu...I've come to bargain!" just killed me

[@davidmoorcroft7117]

I liked the sad potato

[@portland573]

New editor is doing a great job.

[@thebaron897]

yay. i knew feverishly refreshing youtube would pay off!

[@TheCivShow]

*Eyes glance at title.* "how in the hell is this even possible..." You got me potato... The click bait strikes again... However I am very curious how this game will end.

[@portland573]

This will end in an accidental culture victory I would imagine...

[@Alex-te7dh]

Potato: Half of the normal amount of city-states. Also Potato: I thought I would have met more city-states by now

[@ezrapark9992]

That’s why Mvemba is always denouncing me, he just wants to help me win a religious victory

[@Ermacc187]

You can never say the game hates you again getting a relic that early on Kongo

[@jaajembryons1803]

Except when I get invaded after getting it and someone takes my capital stole the relic and destroy the 5 great works slot palace because my capital is transferred to a former Ethiopian city and I never see any relic of the game. Totally didn't happen to me...

[@Ermacc187]

@@jaajembryons1803 ⚰

[@robertstegmann9260]

"The city will be at 24 population soon" "They are at war with Catherine" Potato, are you forgetting how to speak?

[@Vael221]

I have this feeling like this series ends with a video called "Accidentally lost by winning when I was trying to win by losing" or something along those lines

[@michalhozzank9664]

I really really want to see a Score victory on standard speed on deity difficulty. I think it would be extremely hard to achieve. First of all, you would have to block all other civs from winning any other way (obviously). And second of all, you would have to not accidentally win a different type of victory. Definitely interesting gameplay. Thanks for the read!

[@bleed2blue1]

Is the easiest way to achieve that a domination focussed came with no tourism ? You just let one civ survive in its capital while u wait till the time is up

[@Zbra1]

Just remember you are Congo with a gamemode with more great works so don’t get too many monopolies or you might accidentally win a culture game!

[@williamtheconqueror7807]

E Also, still loving the editor. #Editorlove

[@Marina-be9st]

Bro how is this an “extremely average start” you have fresh water, hills, jungle, and mountains. Not to mention an early relic. I have close to 2000 hours in civ 6 and i swear i am cursed to never have freshwater anywhere and i hate it. Also your continent has chocolate, cotton, and tea. Those are good luxuries when compared to INCENSE, tobacco, and pearls. I may be over exaggerating a bit about the luxuries but this looks like s great start.

[@RaventhortheWarrior]

that's the joke, sir

[@Marina-be9st]

@@RaventhortheWarrior here is the thing though, it is not the greatest start by any means either. It is a good start, not average and not amazing. Just good.

[@serafeims5862]

Crazy idea but we still waiting for gaul culture victory

[@cacs2201]

Isn't that kinda easy? They get INSANE culture, so even if they just stall you could get that

[@ynwafanmrks1817]

@@cacs2201 but mines give -1 appeal, so you must remove them. They get no tourism bonuses.

[@serafeims5862]

@@ynwafanmrks1817 they changed it so they get tourism from flight

[@cacs2201]

@@ynwafanmrks1817 use great works and wonders for tourism Abuse monopolies Get rockbands Outproduce everyone and stall because they literally can't do anything against you Honestly, Gaul is kinda OP if played right imo

[@pyroshrimp4073]

@@cacs2201 i played gaul on a highlands, and all i remember was 100s of mines and theater squares, oppidums, and thinking we need the old preslav ability

[@Ermacc187]

You have to discover a hero before you can do the devotion. Or the interaction with voidsingers has broken it if you can't do heroic tales

[@brunotacla7211]

if you kill the player who founded a religion and use his religion to win the game what happens?

[@evanshirley6089]

Nobody will win and the game will just continue, since only the original founder of the religion can claim religious victory using that faith. I tried it recently when I couldn’t found my own - the religion itself actually disappears from the religious victory screen if you wipe out the founder.

[@danielkaiser8754]

Just thought of a challenge where you set your science and civic path on turn one and can’t change it from there on. You often talk about b-lining certain techs when going for a science victory and picking up only what you need along the way. If anyone could plan this out and win, it would be Potato.

[@cthzierp5830]

"extremely average" reminds me of Steven Wright who buys his clothes "extra medium". "Just like regular medium but a little bit extra".

[@paedenhinton632]

you can actually settle within three tiles of a barb camp, they don't block settlement at all, it was really interesting for me to have a city-state two tiles away from my newest city

[@willy6022]

how ? cuz if i settle less than 3 tiles away the barb camp does not convert in my games

[@SandsBuisle]

Then you got a weird bug, camps less than 3 tiles away stop getting progress towards conversion

[@mdGreene90]

"Let's get cracking." Why aren't you solving a sudoku?

[@PotatoMcWhiskey]

WE've got an exwing in boxes 1 and 2

[@bernardonegri5416]

Honestly, it is just hilarious seeing 3 different empires trying to stop Potato from raiding it. When you don't find any city states so you make your own. Doesn't Civ6 save automatically every turn?

[@israelgole1701]

You said monopolies is one of your favorite modes, but isn’t it kinda broken for tourism? Like every time I play that mode I am halfway to a tourism victory by the time I win and I’m not even trying. 600% modifiers are completely broken

[@therealpono8828]

Good to know the infinite end turn thing isn’t just me

[@techtrek31]

I realize I shouldn't question the mighty Potato, but dedicating 2-3 warriors to babysitting the southern barb camp for 3 gold per turn seems inefficient. Seems better to clear the camp and use them for scouting to find new city states. As usual, I love watching this content.

[@66Tickler]

The only problem with all these game modes is that a lot of the times now we are all playing totally different games. I have watched pretty much every single one of your videos up until the last 6 months or so. I find myself clicking on them excitedly then leaving once I see the game modes selected. Heroes and legends and secret societies dumb the game down in my opinion, although I can see how people can enjoy the just for a fun game and respect that. I have played since Civ 1 and although I feel this is the best one yet by far, I'm a bit saddened by the direction the basic gameplay has gone over the last 12-18 months. The thing that grinds at me most is it's becoming less important to find good city locations, you can settle off fresh water and in basically crap land but not suffer consequences. Once you are past the early game you can easily have enough gold surplus you can buy improvements in these cities. I would like to see a complete revamp of the gold situation actually. When you can be making 300+ gold per turn without being a full on commerce game baffles me. Older versions of civ were better in that respect in that you had to take care of your gold and manage your units as they took up a good chunk of your income. Now once you have 6-7 cities up and running gold is no longer an issue. I would like to see something like you lose population for being below housing for a certain number of turns and more severe consequences for lack of amenities. This might stop the city spam and lean more towards an option for playing tall. I think we'd all like at least the option for an actual tall game. I most liked your suggestion last year about linking production to city population and was astounded when they never included something like that in the release last summer. Do you feel like the inclusion of these game modes will affect your viewers for your channel, (probably too soon to tell yet) as there must be a certain percentage of people with views like myself or are they covered by the new viewers who enjoy these modes? As i said earlier, sometimes it feels like totally different games. Maybe you could do a video with a poll to see what game modes people prefer to play on just to see how it might affect your channel. Anyway, always loved the content and will continue to check out your videos in the future. I have played deity since release and have definitely improved from watching your videos. Thanks Chris.

[@noeschaeffer2167]

If you play with another human and they gift you a great prophet (with the Gift It To Me mod), could kongo found a religion? Ater that, the other human can leave and get taken over by AI so the game continues as normal.

[@SuperBeantank]

if i play that game as soon as persia denounce me i will build war hero n go for his neck, by turn 60-70 ish persia will be gone also by that time i will realize oh i already strongest in the world then it become very pointless to continue coz no matter what i do i already win gezz

[@Da_Shark]

Hey potatoe heres an idea play with all optional modes on and see if you can win engaging with none of them Basically you have to win playing base civ while the AI gets all the cool shit to play with sounds like a cool challenge for you

[@trip6018]

31:40: thats called joining an ongoing war for money

[@lukasvoorhis6964]

I had to think for a second.

[@fredblues7175]

I am thinking of a domination game on Pangea. I never actually won a game with domination. Domination was either paired science or something, and wound up winning with the other victory. I was thinking either Scotland or the newest France. Do you think one of those can win with against all the domination baddies like Mongolia and Alexander?

[@evanshirley6089]

As long as you play aggressively when you can but otherwise mostly focus on defense and getting a significant advantage in science, you shouldn’t have a problem. Once the AI get strong walls, it’s all about the science and getting those siege units and observation balloons online.

[@boot-4704]

Thanks for the video Mr. Whiskey

[@ThinkBeyondTheBox]

Curious question: is it possible as the Kongo to genuinely win a religion victory by conquering the civ whose religion you are spreading? Probably not but it would be interesting

[@rickaxemeow8095]

sadly, conquering other religions' holy cities, or even their entire empire, does not grant you the ability to even modify their religion, let alone win a game with it.

[@ThinkBeyondTheBox]

@@rickaxemeow8095 that's unfortunate. It would have been cool if they added that feature, if only for the Kongo, so that you could have some interesting religious victories

[@Kholdaimon]

Potato: Why aren't you placing districts to lock in their costs? The 2 cities south of your capital could use Commercial Hubs since they are next to rivers. Especially the one near the Desert has nothing else it wants to do with the Desert tiles, or am I missing something?

[@taubrow4973]

Can't believe you got a relic at the FIRST village. I'm never this lucky

[@DennisGr]

my last start: australia, not even at the sea, mostly desert, fields with 1 food 1 production or just one food or nothing at all. cries. (i know i can just restart, but that would be boring, you need to take the challenge. improvise, adapt, overcome.)

[@Shauma_llama]

Just rage-quit my latest game. Early-game capture of Korea's capital, destroyed the city next to it, no population pressure, great, all's well. No, it kept going into rebellion every three turns. Pissed off. Figured "fine, I'll destroy the damn place." Nope, can't do that either. I could either keep capturing it, then seeing it go into rebellion (garrison, governor and policies didn't help), or give it back to Korea, or allow it to become a free city - I guess. I am SO ANGRY at myself for watching these videos and getting sucked in thinking "gee, it looks like they've made this game a lot better." Waste of $120. Still the same cheating pile of crap that it has been for 15 years. I wish I could get my money back. I wish I could sell my Steam copy to someone. I wish I had physical disks so I could sell this garbage to someone else who's a masochist and enjoys games that f**k them at every turn. Civ II, and Civilization Call to Power, still the best versions of Civ. Everything since then -- garbage. Wondering if I could hack the save file and just remove the city from map once the game has begun, seems to be the only way to proceed.

[@Madmuli]

Great video Potato, and props to your editor! :) I really like the corporation mode, but I have a few questions, on which I found only some conflicting answers for.. 1. Do corporations and their products stack their bonuses? 2. If not, do different products with the same bonuses stack? 3. Are the bonuses that boost military production applied to all military units, including ships and aircraft, or just land units? Imagine a coastal city with 'international waters', a citrus corporation (or any of the other 4 military boosters), 6 citrus products, governor Victor with 'Embrasure' and, of course, the Venetian Arsenal in your empire. You can build 2 ships at once, each with 1 promotion, at a +280% build speed

[@elbonnybar]

that didn't look very AVERAGE to me. btw, it's not like playing Europa Universalis, this feels a lot more like playing HEART OF IRON to me with that set up of civs.

[@Ichorizor]

Getting a Cocoa industry will do your capital really well. +3 Housing and 20% pop growth is really strong for the city. A diamond industry is strong in Kwango thanks to the three gold-heavy luxuries. "Average start" my ass ;)

[@temsyod1396]

Potato got a relic from his first tribal village as the Kongo. This is just unacceptable. I am fuming.

[@thewonderdoc2999]

Oh Potato I reaaaally want you to take that Persian city close to your border. It has tea and if you declare a surprise war Cyrus isn‘t allowed to be mad cause he loves those ;)

[@CheapShotFail]

Same graphical bug you encountered in your Nubia AZ livestream on the scout production @14:11

[@ness6099]

I feel like there are some city states that are super situational but in those situations they dominate and make the game insane. Could you show videos on using Nazca as Cleopatra or Amenitore and Auckland as Gitarja? Those games are super fun where I’m getting tons of yields from tiles that shouldn’t get those (stacking campungs with Auckland and natural parks or alcazars with nazca)

[@evanshirley6089]

For everybody asking: If you don’t found a religion but then completely conquer another civ that has founded a religion, you do not take full control of that religion as if you were its new “founder.” You can build missionaries and apostles (and inquisitors if the founder initiated an inquisition before they died.) You can’t evangelize the religion with apostles or initiate an inquisition on your own, and you also cannot win a Religious Victory with it since only the founder of that religion can do so. Potato is planning to win the game *for* the AI by getting them a Religious Victory.

[@redisk]

I'm slowly moving up in difficulty but holy rotten bushels, I'm hitting a ceiling of no more than about 1 emperor and a few kings/prince. Do you have a video for some of the more important strategies to move up the difficulty?

[@mrfreshginger379]

Do a Pericles game where you see how fast you can get to 1000 culture per turn (without winning prior to getting the 1k cpt) Hint: plan to rush the Apadana, and maybe even get Broadway later on

[@matthewnapoleon125]

Those two crappy cities could be a nice spot for an industrial/aquaduct/dam situation mix in a commercial hub and you got plus 6 and plus 8 industrial zones. That helps with your production problem

[@EchoingHorror]

Re: Germany being dirt poor -- they never build commercial hubs in my games. They have all those districts and just don't want money.

[@phoenixma1213]

Thank god you deleted the pin on the wheat it'd be a beautiful farm triangle👍, also wasn't the camp close to your capital in way of one of your cities why keep it? U can farm the camps furthest from your empire?!

[@anq_b13]

tHE cOUNTER-cOUNTER-cOUNTER-argument is.... I don't have Rise & Fall.

[@pycassoclaudiu]

How's the AI in your games not having 40-50 science/ culture by turn 50? Something is not adding up.

[@rahsingh9]

As a test, I just made a game with Rome and was able to run Heroic Tales from Turn 1 (without discovering a hero). Not sure why you could not. Might need more testing to figure out the interaction.

[@blinky101]

According to the wiki, you unlock it by building a monument, which Rome gets for free. So I assume its something to do with Potato only building Old-God Obelisks rather than monuments

[@rahsingh9]

Exactly, why I picked Rome for the test :) Good idea! I tried again as Rome by not settling and finding the Voidsingers first. This let me place Rome with a free Old God Obelisk. The Heroic tales were still available.

[@rahsingh9]

Ok, so in the last test, I had discovered a hero before the Voidsingers. This led to normal function of heroic tales. This kept happening so I made a custom map. Eventually, I got a roll with no heroes before Voidsingers. I appointed the Voidsingers governor tile then settled the city. This led to the same result as Potato! I placed Rome and got an old god obelisk, but was unable to run heroic tales. I tried again where I discovered the Voidsingers but did not appoint the tile and it worked normally. i.e. I was able to discover Voidsingers, then settle the city, then appoint the governor title and work heroic tales. I had all the optional game modes and no mods running. TLDR: Don't join the Voidsingers until you discover a hero or else the heroic tales break.

[@blinky101]

@@rahsingh9 You've put a lot of work into this and I applaud you. Still though, the chances this situation actually comes up and also like matters is very small heh. Good research though, you get 10/10 for effort

[@UhardBret]

watching other YT'rs: Wow amazing start, best start ever, can't believe it watching Potatoe in same situation: meh... average.

[@SteamedCraw]

just curious if this would be a good idea. at 23:10 would it have been a better idea to go for the hanging gardens? the 15% growth to all cities looks pretty good from my perspective given that he settles 2 *mostly* plains cities. idk just a thought.

[@jordanwalker416]

Why don't you scout early game? Meeting city states and building relationships with them early on is huge. You're missing out on so many free yields and envoys from first meets and quests.